Union Files Grievance Because Buster Posey Got More Money Than Pedro Alvarez
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2008 4:48 PM PDT
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Not sure if anyone's seen this, but per MLBTR there's Drama Over Pedro Alvarez Contract
2:07pm: MLB.com's Jenifer Langosch talked to a source who said Boras wants another $200K, so that Alvarez's bonus matches Buster Posey's.
12:57pm: Turns out Pedro Alvarez has not reported to the Pirates yet for a reason - the Players Association filed a grievance on his behalf today. They're saying Alvarez verbally agreed to his $6MM bonus after the midnight deadline on August 15th. Scott Boras informed the Pirates that Alvarez will not sign the contract unless it is renegotiated at a higher number. Royals top pick Eric Hosmer may also become tangled up in this mess, since his contract was submitted after Alvarez.
Here is the Pirates' Statement
"At the Pirates' request, the Office of the Commissioner today placed Pedro Alvarez on Major League Baseball's Restricted List. The Pirates were forced to request that Pedro be placed on the Restricted List because we were informed by his agent, Scott Boras, that Pedro will not sign the contract to which he agreed on August 15. Boras further informed us that Pedro will not report to the Club unless we renegotiate his contract and agree to pay him more than the $6 million signing bonus to which he agreed.
"The Major League Rules provide that a player who refuses to sign a Uniform Player Contract to which he has agreed and report to the signing Club shall, upon a report of the signing Club, be placed on the Restricted List until he signs a contract reflecting the terms to which he has agreed. Such a player may not sign a contract with or play for any other Club. While demanding that we renegotiate his contract and pay Pedro more than the $6 million signing bonus to which Pedro agreed, Mr. Boras has contended that the contract we reached with Pedro was consummated after the August 15 deadline. This claim was not raised on the evening of the 15th when we informed Mr. Boras that Major League Baseball had confirmed that the contract was submitted in a timely fashion. Mr. Boras asserted this claim several days later, after all of the draft signings had become publicized.
"The Pirates are confident that the contract reached with Pedro Alvarez was agreed to and submitted to Major League Baseball in a timely fashion and properly accepted by Major League Baseball. In fact, the contract between the Kansas City Royals and Eric Hosmer, another Boras client, was submitted to the Office of the Commissioner after our contract with Pedro was submitted. Mr. Boras is apparently satisfied with the $6 million bonus that he secured for Mr. Hosmer and has not challenged the validity of that contract. Mr. Boras has been informed that if he pursues a claim that our contract with Pedro was not timely he puts Eric Hosmer's contract with Kansas City in jeopardy.
"The Pirates made several attempts to commence negotiations immediately following the draft and were willing and ready to agree to pay Pedro a $6 million signing bonus from the very outset. Predictably, however, Mr. Boras refused to engage in any negotiations at all until shortly before the August 15 deadline and even then an agreement was reached only after Pedro took control of the negotiations.
"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more to his liking. We are, however, disappointed that Pedro would allow his agent to pursue this claim on his behalf. Pedro showed tremendous fortitude and independent thinking when he agreed to his contract on August 15.
"The Office of the Commissioner has assured us that we have a valid contract with Pedro and that it will vigorously defend any claim to the contrary. Despite our disappointment, we continue to believe in Pedro Alvarez the person and the baseball player and remain excited to add Pedro to our system. We will sit down with Pedro and his family as soon as Mr. Boras' claim is rejected to chart a new and much more productive start to Pedro's career with the Pittsburgh Pirates."
Scott Boras is a fucking turd
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It isn't about the $200K...
Rather it’s about Boras getting a hollow victory and then having more prospects line up to have him be their agent. Because Scott Boras will fight for you! Then he’ll take his negotiated percentage out of those over-slot contracts he’ll deliver in the 11th hour…or the 505th, whatever floats his boat.
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Aug 27, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But that statement from the Pirates is not very slick. They’ve probably alienated the hell out of their prospective player at this point, and is it really worth it?
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Aug 27, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the Pirates…does most of the things they do make sense?
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Aug 27, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, it seemed complimentary of Alvarez, while simultaneously warning him that if he sticks with Boras, he’s not going to have a MLB licensed bucket to piss in.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he feels alienated over this (I thought the statement took some good shots at boras, btw) then this fellow lives in manny ramirez land—not a place particularly noted for its grasp of reality. Also, if 200k means that much to him, he’s not only an egomaniac, but an idiotic one.
by haverecords on Aug 27, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were this kids parents I’d be all over him to get his ass to Pittsburgh.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter if Alverez is all huffy? The Pirates now control him for at least six years, and he can pout all he wants. All he would be doing is killing his future. Manny, at least, had to have monster career nuimbers before he pulled a stunt like he did. If Alverez is on the Restricted LIst, he can’t be signed by any other team, and he can’t reenter the draft. This is Scott Boras at his worst.
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the shit out of Scott Boras.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 27, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shut the fuck up, Boras.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
What a douchecunt
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 27, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Typical Boras. This guy is absolute scum. I mean I could understand in the sense that you get all you can get while you can if your the player. But come the fuck on.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 27, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you have got to be kidding me
this is utterly ridiculous
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 27, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
suck it Boras.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Aug 27, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's hilarious...
That he’s willing to pull every other team that was submitted behind him into this over 200k….that’s quite a dangerous tactic, both personally and professionally.
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Aug 27, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Never mind that Gerald won a slew of awards and accolades and shit that would distinguish him as a player who deserves a little extra. No. Boras has to throw an oversized shitfit because he didn’t get his way pout pout pout.
Oh well, remember when he had his previous shitfit over Villalona going with another agent and signing with the Giants? That whole thing died pretty quickly.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
before the draft, there was reportedly a figurative pissing contest between Posey’s agent Jeff Berry and Boras over who would get the biggest bonus. Posey’s contract got done right at the deadline and as it turns out, he got more than Alvarez, but there was no time to redo the Alvarez deal to be the same or more than Posey’s. Apparently, that doesn’t stop Boras. This more about Boras than about Alvarez. Ridiculous.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Alvarez has to along with it, no?
So it is about Alvarez. About him being stupid.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Aug 27, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember who is advising him on this: Scott Boras!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha so they’re both dickwads. And Boras is just sore because he lost.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Alvarez suffered a wrist injury
And for all we know it could effect his career. Makes no sense for him to have more leverage in this situation purely because the Pirates chose him higher than Buster.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 27, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
affect
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Aug 27, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like he’s also willing to put Hosmer’s deal at risk for this. That can’t make Eric happy. I really don’t like Boras.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 27, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a conflict of interest.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can’t help 1 client (Alvarez) at the expense of another one (Hosmer). could he lose his agent certification over that?
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a lifetime certification.
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boras is a cocksucker.
I hope Alvarez goes unsigned.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 27, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's not fair
Cocksuckers perform a useful service to mankind.
by Change Up on Aug 27, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuckface, then?
I’ve had this discussion with several people and the consensus is cocksuckers are useful and needed, while fuckfaces are just plain no-good jerks.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuckface is good.
I’ve never liked cocksucker as an insult; in fact, I’ve always been grateful for the existence of cocksuckers.
by Change Up on Aug 27, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I once was driving with my gf and some dude cut me off and I called him a cocksucker. the gf got all pissed off and claimed that if I thought it was negative, then I didn’t need it anymore. I then tried to convince her that I was complimenting the other driver’s skill in avoiding a collision, but she didn’t buy it.
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Is correct. Be nice to those of us who do it.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I learned my lesson the hard way.
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*snicker* hard *snicker*
i bet you did!
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 27, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...do what now?
Be overtly and graphically specific.
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on Aug 27, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t fault you for trying, but no.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you have to ask, then you’ll never know
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, just check out this HOT video instead.
/not trying to roll you
by chilibean_3 on Aug 27, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the great George Carlin once said
I think I’m gonna pick up cocksucking. Women do it. Men do it. Can’t be bad if everybody’s doing it.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 27, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<3 that man
RIP
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol Boras
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 27, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No wonder A-Rod said, "Screw you guy's I'm going home" to Boras
Between this and Anquon Boldin, there’s an epidemic of, “so what if I agreed with you, my buddy got more than me.”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 27, 2008 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras: revved up like a douche
I hope this “restricted” status means the Pirates retain his rights and he can’t just re-enter the draft again next year
Can you imagine how our heads would be exploding with the brightness of a thousand suns if this happened with Posey and the Giants?
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 27, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Although if he did enter the draft next year maybe the Giants could get him.
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Aug 27, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be ill-gotten riches. I’d prefer the league take astand against douchebaggery and keep his rights with the Pirates.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 27, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"the brightness of a thousand suns "
Would that be a Killing Joke reference?
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on Aug 27, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Not sure where it came from…just sounded good.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 28, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is that in “The Killing Joke”? I can’t remember it.
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirats’ statment was awesome.
"The Pirates made several attempts to commence negotiations immediately following the draft and were willing and ready to agree to pay Pedro a $6 million signing bonus from the very outset. Predictably, however, Mr. Boras refused to engage in any negotiations at all until shortly before the August 15 deadline and even then an agreement was reached only after Pedro took control of the negotiations.
"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro’s contract to one more to his liking.
LOL
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 27, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
burn
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
6.2m$ (which just happens to be what Posey got) shows that this isn’t even about money, it’s about ego. And that makes it even more pathetic.
Here’s something I don’t understand, though: If the signing deadline has passed, how can the contract be renegotiated? If the contract really is invalid like Boras claims it is, then Alvarez can’t be signed until after next year’s draft. What am I missing?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 27, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGED OR SAD PENIS strikes again
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere....
That both Pedro and Hosmer were granted extensions past midnight by MLB to get their deals done….but even if this were true, I dont think that MLB is going to grant him another (10+ day) extension to RE-negotiate a contract that MLB has already signed off on. SUCK IT BORAS
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Aug 27, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB has the power here.
Why don’t MLB teams just make a binding agreement not to negotiate with Boras, any player represented by him, or any person affiliated with him.
by Change Up on Aug 27, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Collusion? Free market? I’m thinking there would be a lawsuit involved…
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no expert
But there’s got to be a way that the MLB can legally refuse to do with business.
by Change Up on Aug 27, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they could build a time machine and send someone back to kill Boras’s grandfather.
by Evan on Aug 27, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the time machine only goes back one week
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother asking thehavenot
He’s no help at all.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 27, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking about this
If my time machine goes back a week. You could probably just use it over and over again until you finally got to where you wanted to go.
You know, go back a week and then use it again to go back another week. You will now be back two weeks. I really think that would work.
Unfortunately, my cheap time machine turns certain parts of your body into cheese with extended usage. And for those of us who really like cheese, this creates a problem.
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 27, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like keeping a strict a time travel count is in order.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 27, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's something a little different about Dr. Who in that picture...
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 28, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dr. Quien
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 28, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies for bad puns.
Dr. Quien: Mujer de Medicina
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 29, 2008 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
this, unfortunately, would be anti-trust, although they could learn their lesson and write a law to close this loophole back up.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 27, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he can lose his certification, but I think in order to do that both sides would have to be able to prove gross malpractice. (Like bonus skimming, contract jumping or the like.) For now, he’s just a huge douchebag whiner.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Best Solution
Is to simply put a contract out on his life. For a million bucks it shouldn’t be too hard to find someone that would pop a cap in him.
by Change Up on Aug 27, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do it for $200k
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do it if you can get me gun.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 27, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go...
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Aug 27, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The agent certification is awarded by MLBPA
not the league. It’s there to protect the players, not the owners.
Q: How does an individual become a certified player agent?
After a player on a 40-man roster has designated an agent as his representative, the agent must apply for certification by the MLBPA. Agents who have been designated by a 40-man roster player and who are not yet certified should call Rebecca Rivera at (212) 826-0808 for further information.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on Aug 27, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I thought, esp. as owners and the MLBPA are directly at odds 99.9% of the time. Would think that if team could prove gross misconduct to the MLBPA, they could revoke based on that.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boras is a lawyer
and is still active. He is bound by the California Rules of Professional Conduct, which includes conflicts of interest. Even if Hosmer doesn’t get screwed, Boras could get in hot water with the bar.
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it ultimately rests with the MLBPA whether he can represent players, correct? I mean, theoretically he could be disbarred and still be certified, if the MLBPA so choose?
My original point was that I think given his standing with the MLBPA and players around the league, he’d have to do something egregiously illegal or incompetent to lose his ability to represent players. (Again, bonus skimming, a lawsuit from Alvarez alleging misconduct, etc.) I mean, I think the players he successfully represents—Drew, Ramirez, etc.—would freak out if the owners successfully colluded against Boras for basically being a whiner. It would get ugly fast.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on what the rules for certification are, though theoretically, I suppose he could be sanctioned and maintain his agent certification.
Though, getting sanctioned by a state bar because he violated conflicts of interest rules (put his own or one client’s interest over that of another) would definitely hurt his standing with future and/or current clients.
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the fact that he gets any clients at all continues to astound me. Greedy fuckers. ;)
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he gets his clients a lot of money, but they’d probably get about as much without him.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry – meant to include an actual reply to your point. ;) What are the rule regarding representing oneself as an agent vs. lawyer. I know there are differences between what an agent vs. a manager can do; couldn’t Boras argue he was acting as a agent and not a lawyer, thus avoiding any scrutiny by the bar? (The whole thing is a mess; maybe Grant can line up Rebecca for a live chat so we can pepper her with questions… “So, you’re telling me we can’t void Zito’s contract based on this Pittsburgh/Alvarez deal?”)
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not suggesting the bar would do anything without a formal complaint, which I doubt there would be, but he is still bound by his professional ethics and I’m not totally sure, but I don’t think he can hide behind the argument that he wasn’t acting as a lawyer at the time, though this perhaps isn’t an attorney/client relationship. Lawyers get in trouble all the time for stuff they do outside their practice of the law that violates their ethics.
Madison K. Bumgarner. You know what the K stands for.
by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but if his alleged behavior in the past is any indication, the man cares little for ethics. (I mean, misrepresenting information to clients alone is shady, but then throw in all the other stuff… oy.)
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To quote Tom Waits:
“…he’s a lawyer, he ain’t the one for you”
by bgunn on Aug 27, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s 5:15 back east. I’ll call Rebecca in the morning.
“Yo Rebecca, it’s Goofus. We need to do something about this Boras douchebag.”
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 27, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has he ever done anything this assy? I mean the A-rod opt out thing was pretty assy, but this is deliberately screwing around with two top picks in the draft and thus messing with team’s whole draft statuses for 2009. This might be the precident the league needs to ban him.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
precident=precedent
I can has words good!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod’s deal with the Mariners in 1993. He has a long history of doing stuff like this.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a quick Google search at work and all I can find is a description of Boras advising A-hole and the whole thing being “acrimonious.” Wanna give me the skinny?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Though I think Jim Callis can explain it best: “It’s interesting to note that Boras tried the same thing with A-Rod in 1993. After a long holdout, the family asked someone else to talk to the Mariners on their behalf and a deal was reached. Boras filed a grievance saying that the team ignored A-Rod’s right to his chosen representative, and wanted A-Rod granted free agency or (sound familiar) the right to renegotiate. The Pirates’ statement says that "an agreement was reached only after Pedro took control of the negotiations,” so I wonder if that’s the basis of Boras’ complaint. That didn’t work with A-Rod, though."
Similarly, in 2001, Andruw Jones and his father went around his rep, Boras, to make a deal with the Braves, which Boras (I think) tried to have voided because it wasn’t finalized by Jones’s rep on record. It sounds like in this case, Alvarez and his family agreed to the deal, and Boras is trying to say that nothing was formalized at the deadline, etc. so he can negotiate a payday that tops Poseys. Boras has stated repeatedly that he’s not a fan of the Aug 15 deadline, and this in all likelihood is a play to try and bust that wide open. Can’t see how he succeeds, though.
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that is pretty shady. So why TF did he get away with it before? Twice?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he didn’t really get away with it because he lost both times; the Mariners/A-Rod and Braves/Jones contracts were upheld, but yeah, it’s amazing that he still gets to much leeway.
I think to this point he’s been seen as a nuisance (holding players out for a year to re-enter the draft, etc.), but has done things above board. MLB and the teams have been watching him closely though – I mean, I don’t think the Pirates could have put out a more perfect statement. “Try to fuck with us? Okay, player to the restricted list; Boras is an asshat, Alvarez you’re cool just don’t listen to your agent.” It’s like they knew this was coming…
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that was a great and hilarious move by the Pirates. It finally seems like teams are doing something about Boras’ bullshit. It’s been a long time coming, to say the least.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s illegal?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 27, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya’all are spelling it wrong… he’s been know as bore-ass in this house for a long time.
okay…it’s an apartment, but still…
by Merope on Aug 27, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a basement.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 27, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s some naughty language from Merope’s mother.
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by groug on Aug 27, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am insanely glad we didn’t have to deal with Boras this year. I mean, how awesome that we have Posey playing and making his way to the majors rather than Alvarez and his drama queen agent. I feel really bad for Pirates fans right now.
Alvarez is stupid to have let his agent do this. He’s coming off looking like an easily manipulated tool, and pretty much just turned a whole lot of fans off of ever rooting for him. I hope the Pittsburgh fans at his first minor league game boo the crap out of him.
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not surprised that Boras is doing this
I am very surprised that Pedro Alvarez is going along with it. If it is over a couple hundred dollars, Alvarez is a DUMBASS.
The extra year of free agency that this stunt will cost him is very likely to be worth FAR more than a couple hundred dollars.
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by rfloh on Aug 27, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can easily imagine young players being bullied by their agents. But Alvarez seems to be a smart and worldly kid — went to one of the top academic high schools in the country, etc.
If I were a player, this stuff would piss me off. You want to get all the money you can, but you don’t want to be a pawn in some dick-waving contest between agents.
by Evan on Aug 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless, of course, Alvarez has just as big an ego as Boras, and he’s actually a part of this dick-waving contest.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 27, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, we don’t know the disposition of one Mr. Alvarez. Sure, he might have a brain and have know-how, but those things never stopped a person from being a flaming asshole.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s over 2000 hundred dollars. more than a couple.
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by WalrusMan on Aug 31, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I’ve never had much of a problem with Boras up until now. I always felt he was just doing his job and he was damn good at it. It was frustrating for the fans and owners, but he was usually acting in his players’ interest. Recently though, not so much. Between the A-Rod opt-out announcement, which was classlessly timed, and this thing with Alvarez and Hosmer, I really have to question what the fuck he is doing.
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by marcello on Aug 27, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
stroking his own cock
And his ego.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 27, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but why create tension between the player and the team so needlessly? obviously, his ego has gotten in the way, but it aint the 1st time
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by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, it just seems that in the past, stroking his ego went hand-in-hand with helping his clients out. Recently, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
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by marcello on Aug 27, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think he sees himself as some sort of free-market savior, someone who can ‘break the draft’ so that in the future players can have more rights over where they want to go (read ‘big money teams’), with no ceiling on how much they can get paid. Just sucks that he’s using idiot players to do it.
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I’ve never had much of a problem with Boras up until now. I always felt he was just doing his job and he was damn good at it. It was frustrating for the fans and owners, but he was usually acting in his players’ interest.
I agree with this, and I agree that this is over the line. Mark it zero.
by Grant on Aug 27, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a League Game, Smokey.
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by delorean on Aug 27, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules?
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by marcello on Aug 27, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boras, my friend, you are entering a world of pain
by Viliphied on Aug 27, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re out of your element, Donny!!
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by Skaldheim on Aug 27, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the subject of Scott Boras tends to make us a bit potty mouthed
I have noticed.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anagram of "agent Scott Boras"
ROTTEN GOAT SCABS
Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 27, 2008 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so accurate
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by jponry on Aug 27, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this!
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by daveinexile on Aug 27, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
winnar
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by groug on Aug 27, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I’m actually happy that buster got more money
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by stealth snail on Aug 27, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
proof, finally
that capitalism indeed fucks face
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 27, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If I ever see him, I’m gonna Carlton Fisk his ass with a Louisville fucking Slugger!
by AndOnTheDrums... on Aug 27, 2008 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
that is a Toll Booth Willie reference.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Aug 27, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could fuck him and all his fish eatin friends in front of his fucking mother.
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by SF Pete on Aug 27, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAI GUIZ
IS THIS WHERE EVERYONES HANGIN OUT LOL
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by delorean on Aug 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re coming up with the next groupthink meme.
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by groug on Aug 27, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe with players working out deals behind his back and his willingness to put his own client’s deals in jeopordy (Hosmer), this has to be the beginning of the end for Boras. Or I just really want it to be.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 27, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s nice of him to have posed for a photograph. Wait, a drawing? Are you sure? The likeness is stunning!
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how he combs his hair so the horns don’t show.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he just files ’em down a la Hellboy…
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s actually really cool looking.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
frankly
I don’t care. Scott Boras is using the system to his and his clients advantage, and as long as the system allows him to do that, I say bully for him. I do support stricter regulations in this section of dealing, although The Players Association probably wouldn’t be too open to any more restrictions.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 27, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But he’s not using the system to his clients’ advantage.
In fact, the contract between the Kansas City Royals and Eric Hosmer, another Boras client, was submitted to the Office of the Commissioner after our contract with Pedro was submitted. Mr. Boras is apparently satisfied with the $6 million bonus that he secured for Mr. Hosmer and has not challenged the validity of that contract. Mr. Boras has been informed that if he pursues a claim that our contract with Pedro was not timely he puts Eric Hosmer’s contract with Kansas City in jeopardy.
And that’s the guy who wasn’t involved. If you’re telling me that this $200,000 gain, which represents a 3% increase over the $6 million he already got, is worth this move, then I’m calling bullshit.
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by groug on Aug 27, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth the move for Alvarez, I mean. He’s definitely screwing one of his clients and he’s probably screwing another one.
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by groug on Aug 27, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
seems like the big problem to me. I don’t think it will truly affect Hosmer’s contract and I believe boras and Eric are happy with it. Boras wouldn’t do this to Alvarez unless Pedro asked for it.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 27, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or he found out that Pedro agreed on his own without Boras’s help and he convinced (or threatened) him to take this tact.
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by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the system allows the union to file a frivolous grievance so an agent can extort a few hundred thousand dollars more, just days after agreeing to the contract? I mean, his client fucking agreed to $6M and some other guy got a little bit more, so he’s crying like a little bitch about it. that’s not using the system, it’s abusing the system. Grievances should be used when there’s actually a grievance.
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by Mad Bum on Aug 27, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is
abusing the system and as long as the system allows that, it’s the system’s fault. It’s their responsibility to stop it.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 27, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’m being overly altruistic, but I believe in following the both the spirit and letter of laws/rules I agree to.
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by Goofus on Aug 27, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for domestic laws
sure. but in free market situations, until there is a rule created specifically prohibiting or allowing actions in an environment like this.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 27, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the reason people are jumping on Boras
is that, at least, at this point, it doesn’t appear to be in his clients advantage to pull this stunt.
$200K is peanuts compared to what Pedro Alvarez will get in free agency, assuming that he’s any good. For top talents, the goal should be to get to FA as quickly as possible, not delaying the FA years you get by haggling over a few hundred thousand dollars.
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by rfloh on Aug 27, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Not to mention the appearance that he’s throwing one client—Hosmer—under the bus for another.
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras is going to keep doing this shit until major league teams no longer allow him to do so. The Pirates’ comment about still looking forward to having Alvarez on their team tells you that they are eventually going to cave. I know it would be tough for a struggling Pittsburgh organization to do, but if they told Alvarez he was no longer wanted and actually followed through on this, it would be the beginning of the end for Scott Boras and his tactics. Tim Lincecum was saying that Buster Posey is going to be treated differently by other Giants’ farmhands because of the large bonus he received. Can you imagine how Pirates’ farmhands will treat Alvarez after this thing gets settled??
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2008 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They won’t have to cave, though. By placing Alverez on the restricted list, he cannot sign a contract with any other team, or reenter the draft. Boras will get a lot of press for this crappy little stunt, then he wiil quitely drop the lawsuit and Alvarez will report to rookie league at the end of this year or early next year without his extra $200K. The examples above show Boras has tried this kind of stuff before. He did with Angel and the Giants, and it just quietly goes away.
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading all this, I’m taking the following oath:
I (state your name) do hereby solemly promise to never fault Sabean for avoiding a player because his agent is Scott Boras.
Anyone else willing to take the pledge?
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by Goofus on Aug 27, 2008 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Me
But what do we do when the Giants sign a player represented by Boras and the resulting costs and hardships (hi Zito) make us want to kill ourselves?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if we have a player and he switches to Scott Boras?? What if it’s someone like Tim Lincecum?? I guess we’ll still have to make exceptions.
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no joe crede then
Right you are Ken
by stealth snail on Aug 27, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My heart is breaking.
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by groug on Aug 27, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I read this wrong...
but he didn’t sign the contract yet… which means technically he isn’t an MLB player yet… which means he isn’t a member of the Union yet…
So why would the union file a grievance in this case?
by dogdays on Aug 27, 2008 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be a good point
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
never mind, the players union grievance is with the extension of the Aug 15th midnight deadline. Apparently some contracts came in past the wire. The grievance “isn’t on any one players behalf”
by dogdays on Aug 27, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
$200,000 minus taxes & Agent fes = about $100, 000 pissing contest. Boras is an ASS
by SF Fan on Aug 27, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh...It just got worse.
The MLBPA is siding with Boras on this one, and Hosmer is officially involved.
It appears that both the Alvarez and the Hosmer deals were given an extension by the Commissioner’s office to sign after the midnight deadline. The MLBPA is filing this grievance on that fact, supposedly, not for a ‘particular player.’
While I agree that a deadline needs to be a deadline, this is getting insane.
The following statement was issued today by Major League Baseball Players Association General Counsel, Michael Weiner:
"The Major League Baseball Players Association today filed a grievance challenging the unilateral decision of the commissioner’s office to extend the August 15, 2008 signing deadline for drafted players. The association and the commissioner’s office have agreed to expedited processing of this Grievance, with the intention of bringing the matter to hearing as early as September 10, 2008.
"In the 2006 round of collective bargaining, the Players Association agreed to establish an August 15 signing deadline for drafted players with remaining collegiate eligibility. The firm deadline was a club bargaining demand, and agreement on it was part of a broader set of compromises by the parties related to the reserve system and the draft.
"Within hours after this year’s August 15 midnight deadline passed, the Players Association learned from several sources that the Commissioner’s Office had extended the deadline for negotiating and reporting signings with drafted players. This was done without notice to or consultation with the Players Association, despite a firm deadline having been established through collective bargaining. The Players Association, after discussions with the Commissioner’s Office, players, agents and other parties, viewed it necessary to file a grievance challenging this plainly unlawful unilateral act by the Commissioner’s Office. The grievance was not filed on behalf of any particular player. It is the union’s obligation, on behalf of all players, to defend the integrity of its collectively bargained agreements and to ensure that those agreements are respected and honored by the clubs.
"I have read the statement issued by Frank Coonelly, president of the Pittsburgh Pirates, regarding Pedro Alvarez. Frank’s statement also refers to the contract between Eric Hosmer and the Kansas City Royals. The association, after further investigation and the processing of the grievance, will determine what relief it will seek from the arbitration panel, including whether it will seek relief related to agreements accepted by the Commissioner’s Office after the collectively bargained signing deadline.
“Moreover, based on information gathered to date by the association, Frank’s statement is inaccurate in a number of respects. While the association will not respond specifically through the press, we are confident that, at hearing, the panel will agree that the Commissioner’s Office acted improperly when it unilaterally changed the terms of the deal it struck with the association in 2006.”
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 27, 2008 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. So there is a possibility that Boras knows that if it goes past midnight with an extension, and the MLBPA finds out, the MLBPA will stick it to the Commish and the owners for violating the CBA. Exploit any loophole he can get, I guess.
I think Callis said earlier today that the only three players who were granted an extension past midnight were two Boras clients (Alvarez and Hosmer) and the Hendricks brother’s Aaron Crow, who didn’t sign with the Nats. (Ironically, the Hendricks have been accused by some of ‘pulling a Boras’ with their tactics.) Fishy that it was only Boras guys and a guy who didn’t sign?
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The MLBPA better tread carefully here, if they want to stick it to the owners. While this might violate the CBA (I need to the see the writing there to be sure—as an extension may not be a violation ipso facto), the MLBPA isn’t in great standing here. Since Alvarez has not signed, the issue goes to the verbal commitment, and verbal commitment alone might not count. If it does, then MLBPA can represent him, but verbal commitment can be attacked by ownership, particularly if a subsequent legal contract is refused (which not signing implies). If this is the case, Alvarez is legally in Aaron Crow land (or he can go with the original agreement—which is probably what Boras and Alvarez are banking on).
question: for a violation of the CBA, does the MLBPA need an actual case to push (that is, avlarez’s), or can they go after the violation as such? If it is the former, Alvarez has no standing.
by haverecords on Aug 27, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe from what I’ve read, they’re going after the league office about the CBA and are not involving particular players—other than for use as examples—to do so. It seems like a sign or be released type of deal; not sure why Alvarez would turn down $6m after agreeing via technicality just so he can go back in the draft next year, though, I thought what Boras did with Hochaver (sp) and the Dodger was stupid too, and that turned out well for the player. According to one of the BBTF threads on this though, the Commish’s office has already fired back saying that this situation can’t be arbitrated under the CBA because it is a minor league contract. (Or something close; too tired to look it up…)
Regardless, going to be interesting to see how this one plays out.
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by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 27, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf is the point of a deadline
If they won’t enforce it? Stupid.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 27, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference between not enforcing a deadline
and allowing the principals involved who clearly want the deal completed, a couple extra minutes to hash out all the details and send in the deal.
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by rfloh on Aug 30, 2008 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like saber rattleing to me. The MLBPA wants to make sure the Commish will adivse them in the future if there is any extension of the deadline. The Commish will promise to make nicey nice, and this will blow over. No way either party wants Hosmer and Alverez go back into the draft. Boras is a complete dickhead for this. Pushing the system is one thing, but shitcanning the rules and hurting your client is another.
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get it
Why is this good for Boras/Alvarez? If this is all true, then Alvarez wasn’t sign before the deadline, which means he now can’t sign for another year. How is renegotiation even an option?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 28, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s good for Boras because his player would recieve the highest bonus in the draft. It’s horrible for Alvarez in every possible way. He’s not playing, he’s not getting closer to being a FA, and now he’s going to have a PR nightmare in Pittsburg.
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would his player receive the highest bonus in the draft, if Alvarez can only sign in year, when he’ll have no leverage?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 28, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF Boras is allowed to renegotiate the contract. Sorry, I should’ve been more clear.
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Boras is allowed to renegotiate, which is what he wants, so that Alvarez’s contract is at least as much as Buster’s, then Boras use that fact to recruit future clients, i.e, market his firm by saying that his client got the biggest bonus in the last draft, etc. Right now he can’t do that. Obviously, he’s taking a PR hit and if he loses it will be awful for him, but if he stares down the Pirates and wins, it will only help him recruit future players, despite the short term PR hit he’s taking. In the long run, he’s still a douchebag.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 28, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got that. I just don’t understand how he could be allowed to renegotiate. If Alvarez wasn’t signed before the deadline, he can’t be signed for another year.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Aug 28, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because this complaint is almost certain to end up at an arbitration hearing and that’s a conceivable ruling outcome. I can’t think of any other way Boras could imagine this comes out in his favor.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Aug 28, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure he’s thought this all the way through, though, it also could be about Alvarez going around Boras to get the deal done, which is something else that’s been talked about.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 28, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this straight...
Boras is claiming that the Alvarez contract was agreed to after the deadline was passed after the Commisioner’s office did him a favor and granted him an extension? What a douche.
I can’t imagine the Royals are too happy about Boras dragging their prospect into this mess.
by barrance on Aug 27, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you what I'd like to see...
Lincecum throwing a 97 MPH 4-seamer to Boras’ face.
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
by BawLa on Aug 27, 2008 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Screw the Pirates
Scott Boras is referred to as “Mr. Boras”.
Pedro Alvarez is referred to as “Pedro”.
What kind of lame-ass shit is that?
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 27, 2008 11:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s one of those mocking “signs of respect” like “You sir, are an idiot”
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 28, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Point So Far
Made by Rob Neyer on espn.com
Now we’ve hit upon the real source of conflict. It’s not that Alvarez didn’t get the money he (and Boras) wanted. Nobody ever gets exactly what they want. It’s that the Pirates eventually bypassed Boras and convinced Alvarez that maybe $6 million was a pretty fair offer, after all. Boras’ entire operation depends on the power of his negotiating tactics. But if the Pirates really offered $6 million on Day 1 and wound up signing Alvarez for $6 million, there wasn’t any need for Boras’ involvement at all.
Here’s the link for the whole article (subscription required):
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=neyer_rob&univLogin02=stateChanged
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 8:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Can it be the Pirates finally really do have some one manning the front office that has a clue?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 28, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure seems like it to me. Guess that means no Zito to Pittsburg for two ’78 Cutlass Supremes.
by tyrannoman on Aug 28, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They offered 2!?!?! And Sabean didn’t pull the trigger? Man what a bummer.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 28, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to own a sweet ‘78 Cutlass Supreme. It was so awesome. It even got stolen and I got it back, but I was only 17 and drove like a maniac in it and didn’t maintain it as well as I could have and the engine crapped out. I traded it for an ’80 CS, which was a piece of shit…
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 28, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was easier than paying to rebuild an engine.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 28, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what she said
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Aug 29, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I know about Huntington, he is pretty solid.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 28, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opening salvo
I understand that that it wasn’t just Boras being difficult during the Posey negotiations, but that the Giants were being a bit unreasonable, at least at first. I heard that Sabean’s first offer was, “Eighty-nine cents is what we’re going to pay. Say hello to Bobby, he’s in the backseat. Give me something big, with a bunch of beef.”
Now, I don’t even know what that last part is supposed to be about….but, $0.89? That’s a pretty low offer for a Silver Spikes winner.
Your thoughts?
by biff pocoroba on Aug 29, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts:
Did you get your water from Chernobyl?
by haverecords on Aug 29, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hosmer cannot play until the grievance is resolved.
by melottfan on Aug 29, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What the ^&*% thinking is this? Homser seems happy with his contract why punish him? And why give Boriss more leverage? That last one really irritates . Pure Selig. The only man on the planet while cutting Prime rib who can some how turn it into sloppy Joe mix by the time it hits your plate.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 30, 2008 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm Hosmer, I would fire Boras.
and if his deal gets tossed, I’d sue his ass.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 30, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little more speculation
In terms of the implications that much of this stems over the Boras Corp. being steamed that Buster Posey — and the agency who represents him, CAA — got more money than Alvarez did, here’s some food for thought.
- Someone in the industry told me that both Pedro Alvarez and Buster Posey had CAA and Boras Corp as their final two choices for representation. That’s been somewhat refuted in that someone else informed me Posey never met with a representative from Boras Corp in person. Could that add fuel to this fire, that Posey got more money — with Jeff Berry and CAA advising him — than Alvarez and wouldn’t even let Boras in the door to talk pre-draft?
- White Sox pitcher John Danks and his younger brother Jordan, fired Boras Corp after the first day of the draft this June, as reported by Scott Merkin on MLB.com (and other places). The younger Danks was drafted in the seventh round (day 2) of the draft and the University of Texas outfielder ended up signing for an above-slot deal, while being represented by… you guessed it, Jeff Berry and CAA. No reasons were given for the Danks-Boras split at the time, but I’ve learned that it stems from the Dankses learning Boras turned down money — that would have seen Jordan get selected in the first day of the draft — without checking in with his advisee.
If that part about Danks is true, then Boras is clearly engaging in some unethical conduct to the detriment of his clients.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 31, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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