Alive
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
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One of the best things about being an amateur baseball know-it-all hack writer is that I can write long missives about what the Giants should do and must do, and what they are idiots for not doing. It can be ridiculous stuff, too.
Yeah, that’s basically what you can boil this site down to. Note the copious use of italics. And when it’s obvious that I’m spectacularly wrong – if I make, say, the AJ Pierzynski trade of opinion posts – I just forget about it and write something the next day. So it’s easy to write ridiculous things. Any little thing that pops in my head is likely to find its way on this site.
For example, I think the Giants should try Pablo Sandoval at third. He played 21 games there in 2006, so he should be able to pick up the position quickly. The Giants need to stop waging the politics of fear and start making a sandwich of pragmatism! There is no reason that…
…wait. What the heck? The Giants are actually trying Pablo Sandoval at third base? That’s…interesting. There’s a high potential for failure when you move a 22-year-old kid to a position toward the middle of the defensive spectrum with little minor league experience. This move might last a game or two more before it’s exposed as a completely untenable idea.
But, man, how awesome is it that the Giants are trying this? If it doesn’t work, don’t ever speak of it again. Put it in the Bob Brenly column, and slowly back away.
If it does work, though, the Giants have filled a round organizational hole with an exceptionally round peg. The player by which Sandoval should be measured is Garrett Atkins. If Sandoval can’t even approximate Atkins’s defense – and it should be noted that Atkins got his glove stuck in his own zipper as I was writing this – then the experiment is never going to work. Do not pass go, etc.... And to be fair to Sandoval, even though he’s surprisingly agile, this experiment has about a 25% chance of working. But it’s a no-risk, ridiculously high-reward gamble.
A lot of folks have been surprised at Sandoval’s progress with the bat, the organization has been more surprised with his progress on defense. His crazy non-stop, trans-level mashing has given the Giants a ton of options. He could allow the Giants to trade Bengie Molina for a real-live prospect. Sandoval could start at first. Or maybe he’ll prove that he can handle third, which would give the Giants a head start towards a legitimate infield as early as 2009.
When the Giants put Sandoval in the lineup at third, a nasty little voice popped in my head. "Oh, yeah. Fantastic idea. Let’s see, a low-OBP slugger at third base. Yeah, gee, that’s always worked so well in the past." The voice went away – thanks, Woodford Reserve! – but any blanket comparisons to Pedro Feliz are already laughable. All low-walk hitters aren’t created equal. For one, Sandoval just turned 22; there’s a whole heck of a lot of room for growth. And though Sandoval might not take a lot of walks right now, he isn’t a low-contact hacker, either. He can already go with outside pitches, driving them to the opposite field. Pedro Feliz did that once, too. They’re now tied for their careers.
I, for one, welcome our new hot-corner overlord. ¡Viva Sandoval! And ¡viva this crazy unconventional thinking and experimenting!, too. Here’s hoping he sticks and rewards the organization for trying something new.
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+109 for "exceptionally round peg"
I <# Pabloooooo!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You ice cream waffle cone Pablo???
That doesn’t make any sense.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only waffle coned him once, and it was only because i needed the money
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well now it makes sense.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was “I cat with wizard’s hat Pabloooooo!”
That still makes more sense than the “I <3 Pablo”, which my brain automatically translates into “I teabag Pablo!”
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and also
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Yes indeed.
Pablo Sandoval wants to rock and roll all night.
by satyricrash on Aug 25, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love this.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 25, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell Me Again Why
trying Nate Schierholtz at 3B at the MLB would have been such a bad idea?
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was tragic, really. He was cursed from the age of 5 as the stone version of King Midas. Then one day, years ago, he clapped at the end of There’s Something About Mary, losing his usual calm sense of self after seeing it opening weekend with a particularly rowdy crowd.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zero Difference
Both moved from 3B in minors because of difficulties handling it. You have zero logical reasons to believe one is more likely to suceed now at 3B then then the other. You just are such a sheep that you can not think outside the box until one of your leaders tells you it is ok to do so.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Resorting to name-calling is juvenile and totally uncalled for. Stop it.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was semi-kidding anyways, I just wanted to say his “hands are made of stone”. Though, I had heard that Nate didn’t have the best hands for third. And, IIRC, Pablo was moved off of third base to “jump start his bat” (whatever that means) and not necessarily because he couldn’t handle the position defensively.
I doubt he’ll stick there long term, because he’s such a big dude, but it’s not totally crazy to try it.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of taking GRM more seriously than he deserves...
…I’ll also point out that the Giants might have had concerns that Sandoval’s bat would not play at third. His offensive production doesn’t have to be nearly as high to be a league-average catcher. If his defense were equivalent at both positions, he’d be more valuable as a catcher.
Schierholtz, on the other hand, was moved from 3B to RF which is equivalent or higher as far as average offense goes, so the same reasoning could not have applied to him.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just are such a sheep that you can not think outside the box until one of your leaders tells you it is ok to do so.
Wow…
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey xanthan… I was actually wondering something. I didn’t know how to bring it up before now, but, well…
Oh geez, why is this so hard? ::to self::come on, man, be cool. be cool.
I just… I mean, I was wondering if, you know, if you’re free this Friday – or Saturday! Saturday’s totally cool too, you know, whatever works for you – if you’re free, though, I was wondering if you wanted to, well, take me to your leader.
He’s just, he seems like such a nice guy… and I’ve never been with a n- I mean, been led by a nice guy before.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, rainman, you usually give it at least a few posts before you start throwing around the personal attacks.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 25, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, man. groud doesn’t think. He just does. That’s what makes him so cool.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody who says “think outside the box” isn’t.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why there’s a box.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if the box is full of delicious assorted chocolates? Then I’d like to stay in the box.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schrodinger's Big Cat
or soemthing
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if all the delicious assorted chocolates have to be taken out of the box for you to even fit in there?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can take just the crappy ones out and leave all of the delicious ones in?
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You put the chocolates inside you inside the box!
Did I just blow your mind?
by kaliber on Aug 25, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking outside the box
Doesn’t necessarily translate to success in the real world.
/ logic
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pablo Sandoval can maybe play third, then Schierholtz MUST be able to play third as well!!! LOGIC!!!!!!!!
Next up: we bring Felix Rodriguez out of retirement as our new catcher. He played there as an amateur he must be able to!!!!!
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a good punter, too. If only any of these base-ball players used to do anything worthwhile with their time like punting….
Now THAT would be an athlete.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Saying That
just saying that if trying one at 3B makes sense then why didn’t trying the other earlier make sense? Neither of us (or likely the Giants) have any idea which one is accually more likely to suceed at 3B.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect the Giants have a better idea than you or I. They do have a scouting department and they watch him play every day.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The scouting department are sheep!
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree The Giants Have A Better Idea Then You Or I
Just saying that they are taking (and have admitted as much) a shot in the dark with little to go on beyond hope. Seems to me they could have taken a simular shot in dark earlier on Nate and thus gotten rid of Castillo even sooner.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s sucCeed, and simIlar.
Thank you.
by bondslegend on Aug 25, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to not think outside the box regarding Pablo.
After all, he’s bigger than the damn box!
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 25, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for the record, I was never against trying Schierholtz back at third.
Also just for the record, stop being a jackass.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Recall You Ever Being For It Either
My point is that many here (not saying you) can’t be for something until they see that is the direction the group think wind is blowing.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or To Be More Percise
they can not seriously consider the possibilities until they feel they have cover for doing so.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that’s true when it comes to individual personnel decisions.
I will concede that there’s some general anti-Sabes/anti-Bochy groupthink here, though.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Do You Capitlize Every Word In Your Topic Header?
You Don’t Have To, You Know. I Guess You’re Just So Anti-GroupThink That You Don’t Even Follow Rules Of Grammar And Spelling.
by bondslegend on Aug 25, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be percise
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Aug 25, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED..........
that perhaps, GRM, that you’re the one who’s off base?
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too am interested. Perhaps you have a newsletter we could all subscribe to, en masse?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Newsletter, probably
Too Groupthinky
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Groupthink©! The corporation for loozers!
by bondslegend on Aug 25, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I IS SHEEPS, YOU READ LETTERS, TELL ME-SHEEP WHAT TO DO, BAAAA
Pablo Sandoval wants to rock and roll all night.
by satyricrash on Aug 25, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ME-SHEEP BAAAA
Molina's gonna test his arm...
by Victorious Secret on Aug 25, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHEEP BE TRUE
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on Aug 25, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you want to know?
I believe whatever Grant says.
by Group Think on Aug 26, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butt Pee and Group Think are the same person.
I think that wins for the most unlikely sentence ever written on this site.
by Grant on Aug 26, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have we pushed GRM over the edge?
He isn’t going to go all Full Metal Jacket on us, is he?
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Is My Keyboard
There Are Many Like It But This One Is Mine. My Keyboard Is My Best Friend. It Is My Life. I Must Master It As I Must Master My Life. Without Me, My Keyboard Is Useless. Without My Keyboard I Am Useless. I Must Type My Keyboard True. I Must Think More Outside The Box Than My Enemy, Who Is Trying To Groupthink Me. I Must Think More Outside The Box Before He Groupthinks Me. I Will. Before God I Swear This Creed: My Keyboard And Myself Are Defenders Of Outside The Box Thinking, We Are The Masters Of Our Groupthinking Enemy, We Are The Saviors Of McCoveyChronicles. So Be It, Until There Is No Enemy And A-Rod Is A Giant, But Peace. Amen.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 25, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butt peace?
Oh wait, I read that wrong.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butt Peace
that’s what you have afterwards.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 25, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Props On The Capitalization
That’s Not Easy To Do For A Whole Paragraph Like You Just Did There.
by bondslegend on Aug 25, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
inb4 groug
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 25, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give up
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 25, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give up, too. Come on guys, who’s with us?!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if our Leader engages in outside the box thinking?
and it becomes outside the box groupthinking? Does the Universe implode?
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 25, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens when alternative music becomes mainstream music? Clearly, everything ends with it.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post!
I haven’t seen him play much at third but he looked like what I imagined; a heavy catcher trying to play third base.
The Giants tracking of prospects to the majors this year has been a tad wacky, converting guys on the fly in the bigs. Moving Pablo to third at the major league level, doing the same with Burriss at second, and sticking Bowker at first (though, that’s not as egregious as the others). The Bocock move still seems like a poor decision, I think we can all agree on that.
Part of me likes Pablo the most at catcher because if he hits, his value will be highest at that position. But, if he can handle third (maybe a big if) that’s not a bad consolation prize, either.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m feeling optimistic this morning, so I think Pablo can totally stick at third.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 25, 2008 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brenly game
I just checked it out. 8600 attendance and I was there. Neat?
I remember it being a very strange game that we were laughing about at the time because of all the errors and the game winning/tying? home runs.
I like Pablo at 3b. Let him try it out for a while, it’s not likely he will injure himself so let’s see what he can do. I’m already 100% sold that he can hit major league pitching. He looks like the real deal in the box. He’s gonna start mashing bombs soon, too.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 25, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was listening to that game on the radio. When he came up in the ninth, I was thinking, “Oh boy, wouldn’t it be cool if he were to precisely undo all the damage he did earlier …” Then he did, and I did my superior dance.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ass maker?
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
by can of corn on Aug 25, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So, what’s with Brenly at third, anyway? I was 6 at the time, and I have some memories of the season, but I don’t recall that at all. It’s not like Bob Melvin was so great that they just HAD to find a way to get him in the lineup.
I do like the name of the guy who pinch hit for Melvin, though: Rick Lancellotti! He had a great career, too: 17 games in 1982, 15 in 1986, and 4 in 1990, all for different teams.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just picked Pablo up on 2 of my fantasy teams
I don’t care where he plays as long as he starts. Plus, the team sucks, so why not see if he can play 3b.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 25, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Pablo does work out at third I’d cry tears of joy.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 25, 2008 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 25, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
….the other
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can stick at least 3B part-time, it gives Sabes and Bochy a lot more flexibility in creating a roster and managing it.
Having the option to trade Benjie without having to trade Benjie is great.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it. Why do we want to move Pablo from catcher?
However, Woodford Reserve = yum.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
to be able to play his bat at the majors in 2009 if we can’t trade Bengie.
Also, for the future, there’s Buster Posey.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 25, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also going to be our closer.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making Brian Wilson our new Soul Patch Inspector.
A role that he’s much more comfortable/consistent in.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
return of the limerick!
There once was a closer named Brian
Oft times his pitches went flyin’
But he grew a soul patch
Asked Sabean for big cash
A Benitez-like contract: the fans will be cryin’
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a young catcher Pablito
The McCoven all think he is neato
He plays everywhere
Is a big teddy bear
And almost makes us forget about Zito
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s 22 and he has something like 50 games above A ball. Have him catch for the Grizzlies for the first half of next season, then trade Bengie at midseason and hand Pablo the keys to the car. And worry about Posey later on.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving him a shot at 3B doesn’t preclude any of this from happening.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. I don’t object to goofing around for the rest of this season and giving him time everywhere. But long-term, moving him to third would diminish both his offensive value and (probably) his defensive value.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his bat really is special, I love the idea of giving him two extra defensive spots at which he can rest his knees. If the Giants get a Brent Mayne-type for backup catcher, then they could play Pablo 100 games at C, and 30 or 40 at 1B or 3B.
But you make good points. This post was a little Posey-centric without ever acknowledging it as such.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this is a conservative organization. It’s hard to picture them deploying a player that way. And if his bat really is special, you could just put him at first full-time when Posey is ready. It actually makes more sense to me if his bat turns out not to be so special. It would be pretty cool to have a catcher/1b/3b super-utility guy.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s 170 games
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Including spring training?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those don’t count as games, stupid! Grant’s already bought is 2009 post-season tickets!
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But long-term, moving him to third would diminish both his offensive value and (probably) his defensive value.
I agree, but getting him in at 3B keeps his bat in the lineup so we get a more realistic idea of what we’ve got without having to pull Ishi out.
If Pablo works out and the team is unable to deal Benjie for value, we’re still better off than we were with what we saw before August 1st this season.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we get a more realistic idea of what we’ve got
This seems to be the Giants’ MO with their young players these days, but it worries me, because so many of them are so far from being ready. If Pablo doesn’t work out in his audition this fall, what have we learned? Nothing, in my opinion, because there’s no real reason to expect him to be able to handle the majors yet.
This “drop them in the well and see whether they drown” approach seems to create a situation whereby it’s easier for the front office to make mistakes in its appraisal of its players.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pablo doesn’t work out in his audition this fall, what have we learned?
I think we’ll have simply learned that he’s a big cuddly 22-year-old who needs more time in the monir leagues.
If his bat is already big league ready, then the team is smart to potentially be learning that now.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, we’ll have learned that Joe Crede might be our best bet to have a major league ready 3Bman next spring.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but I want to watch Pablo play and Fresno’s games aren’t televised :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 25, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can get regular innings at 3B, 1B, and C, he can save his legs and get a lot more ML AB’s next season. It would be neat to have your back up catcher mashing at 3B, then put in…say…Frandensen on a double switch, move Bengie out of the game, and have Pablo catch.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m trying to picture Bochy making a move like this … no, can’t do it.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, hopefully Bochy won’t be the manager for too much longer.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 25, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last time the Giants fired a manager: 1985.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoah
Bowling for Soup flashback.
must…stop
58-72
Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - The roller coaster ride continues - Augusta to Norwich to San Jose, the latter of which has been a success so far. 1.50 ERA.
by rhys on Aug 25, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Springsteen, madonna, wayyy before nirvana
ARRRGGHHHHHHHH CRAP
by bondslegend on Aug 25, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that version is a cover of an SR-71 song. It’s not even Bowling for Soup’s song!
Which is the kind of knowledge you get when you own 3 SR-71 albums, including an import.
This is also why I didn’t comment in xanthan’s Giant Music Thread.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if some how there was a double switch involved he would be all over it
by CB30 on Aug 25, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the main arguments are:
(a) more playing time in the short-term
(b) our options at third are, to put it delicately, limited
© if he works out there, it gives us a way to have him and Posey in the same lineup.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I HATE AUTOFORMATTING
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's as easy as
( a )
( b )
( c )
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
by tedfordfan on Aug 25, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I have to use numbers, the terrorists have won.
Also, I forget it does that.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woodford Reserve is pretty good. I just picked up a new whiskey (new for me, anyways) called ‘Eagle Rare’ it’s 10 year bourbon, very nice. Probably my favorite bourbon right now.
I’m more of a scotch drinker, though.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven’t tried that one. Will look around for it. I keep trying to become a scotch snob instead of a bourbon snob, but it just doesn’t take.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scotch has grown on me and you’ve got to sample a lot of stuff to find what you like (ie: peatyness, smokiness, vanilla flavors, etc.).
What kind of bourbons do you drink? Makers Mark is always a favorite of mine.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woodford and Basil Hayden, ideally. But I love Maker’s because even the diviest of bars have it these days.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the travelling Scotch classes that Johnnie Walker used to put on were awesome; maybe they still have them. It was there I learned that I prefer blends to single malt.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a lot of fun, I’d love to go to a class on scotches.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard they have the classes on tape. Next time you’re in the store, ask if they have…wait for it…Scotch Tape.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Single Malt for me
And it’s usually McCallan or GlenMorangie.
Bourbon – I haven’t yet found one superior to Basil Hayden.
Irish Whiskey – Gotta go with the Jameson. Once I had a bottle that can apparently only be purchased at the factory. VERY good.
I think we need and Open Whisky Thread.
Pedro Feliz would look great in Dodger Blue.
by irwin on Aug 26, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all about Bakers
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 25, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Bakers, but Booker’s is the best bourbon I’ve had. they’re both Jim Beam super premium brands, as is Knob Creek. God Bless the Beam distillery.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you tried Bullit Bourbon? It’s really comparable to Knob Creek and lot less expensive. I dig it.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullit is my favorite almost-premium brand. (I’d consider all the Maker’s/Knob-types to be almost-premium. The premiums are the single-barrel, aged 41,323 years, $60-$80 ones that I will never be able to afford a sample of.)
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is handy if you’re in a saloon and a brawl breaks out.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I test tasted these
and Knob Creek is way smoother than Bullit. I was shocked because I had been looking for bullit for ages since I found it in PA.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Aug 25, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knob is nicer, but Bullit is decent for the price.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haven’t tried Bullitt, but I will now.
Unfortunatly, I’m now hooked on Booker’s, which I am forced to blow $50 for a bottle of. I swear, it’s boozie liquid honey. The best.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Im not really into brown liquor, but WR is quite good. Has like a vanilla taste to it.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as he gets only two chances in two games like he has so far, it should work out fine. Unfortunately, there’s going to be days when he finds out why it’s called the hot corner. I think it’s a great idea, but I’ll be very happily surprised if it works out.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Aug 25, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Third base is meaningless...
Who’s the blond from the previous post?!!!
by Rusty the Robot on Aug 25, 2008 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Michelle McLauglin
Playmate, Miss February 2008
HUGE Giants fan from San Mateo
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She gets props for wearing the black & orange at Chavez Latrine:
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can she play CF?
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/in before Goofus makes up a different meaning for those initials
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of some words to go with F, but I just can’t think of a sexual word that starts with a C…
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you just aren’t a cunning linguist.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you guys grow up and keep it about baseball?
Man, I’d like to get to 3rd base with her!
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I approve of that cunning stunt!
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She has her glove, doesn’t she?
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring your glove, get a ball!
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
….so to speak.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s the true meaning of a Gamer!
by Rusty the Robot on Aug 25, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s something different about this picture than the ones I googled… but I can’t put my finger on it….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was the lack of the Giants sweater perhaps?
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come to think of it, she was wearing a different looking shirt in the pictures I googled.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flesh colored, I bet.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it wasn’t nearly so cold weather appropriate.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy now. My personal litmus test: What if my boss walked in right now? If a picture gets me in trouble, then it goes.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would your boss be doing in your mom’s basement anyway?
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, she DOES own the basement, doesn’t she???
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basement or not, as long as he’s living under her roof, she’s the boss and she makes the rules.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chew some of these howie
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any in Lites?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys could have gotten together and made a combo cat/basement reference, than you would have had it.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHOA!! I see what you mean.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s something different about this picture than the ones I googled… but I can’t put my finger on it….
You’d put your finger on it in a heartbeat if she’d let you
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s cuz your fingers weren’t on the picture…
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 25, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't Google
I’m stuck on ogle
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on Aug 25, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks bleached
Fake blonde…blech
by positiveuphemism on Aug 25, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, she’s just shopped
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as often as Feliz of Castillo.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird typo… but I’ll allow it.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs more boobs
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 25, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two is enough for most women, I think
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly enough for me, but I’m not a woman
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
once you have a chick with 3, you’ll never go back
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 25, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and the ones with two on the front and two on the back sometimes are handy…
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Sandoval behind the plate..
and trade Bengie!
I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..
by lmaozedong on Aug 25, 2008 12:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can’t trade our leader in RBI’s!
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE’S THE TEAM MVP! YOU CAN’T TRADE THE TEAM MVP!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team’s MVP over Bonds last year, according to Sabes.
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His heart is 67% bacon and 19% cooking lard.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
..but we can’t have 2 very rotund, very slow players clogging up the basepaths. Speed & defense!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good, ’cause Pablo is not very slow!
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give him time……he will be Molina-like in the speed department in no time.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine when Angel and Pablo are manning the IF corners?
Heavy stuff to ponder.
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a weight on my mind.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 25, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fat chance!
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would the baked goods on each base thing still work as a motivator?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 25, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to get a football helmet, a rod, some string, and a sandwich….
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think it would be twice as affective.
Someone better get to bakin’ right now, for 2010.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once we’ve given him time, Molina will be out to pasture.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
posey at third
i think posey projects to be a much better 3b than sandoval does. he’s much more athletic (read: less fat) and was a ss going into fsu.
by mikejlaz on Aug 25, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good question: What’s better Gold Glover at C & below-average at 3B, or average at C and above-average at 3B?
And, yeah, I’ve already given Posey a Gold Glove. He wins it the same year as his MVP (2010).
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll see your optimistic “Gold Glove/MVP in 2010” and raise you a “Gold Glove/MVP in 2009 after a September call up!”
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gold Glove/MVP/Oscar/Emmy award winning season in 2009, saves the American economy from ruin, takes over as President from John McCain (omg spoilers) and saves a family of ducks crossing the street by stopping an oncoming semi with the power of his mind.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 25, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read something somewhere suggesting that the range of defensive performance is smaller for catchers than for other positions. So you’d be better off with a poor-fielding catcher and a great-fielding third baseman than the other way around.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read the same, mostly because catchers aren’t involved in many plays once the ball is batted into play. Some field bunts better than others, but that’s the only skill I’ve ever heard about that can vary greatly from catcher from catcher.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t blocking balls/passed balls and throwing out baserunners count as defensive skills that vary?
by chilibean_3 on Aug 25, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could include passed balls and throwing out baserunners, but the point is that catchers don’t have many chances to field the ball or impact a batted ball in play. That was my point, batted balls in play, throwing out runners and catching that ball don’t occur after a hitter has made contact.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll clean this up...
That was my point, batted balls in play, throwing out runners and catching that ball don’t occur after a hitter has made contact.
That was my point, batted balls in play, throwing out runners and catching the ball don’t occur after a hitter has made contact.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just don’t get many chances to field an actual baseball.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While a third baseman will get many more chances to field a batted ball.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike a catcher, which gets fewer chances
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. I missed the after contact part it seems.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 25, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
found the link
on measuring catcher defense: http://jinaz-reds.blogspot.com/2007/11/player-value-part-3c-fielding-catchers.html
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What About Throwing Out Basestealers?
and what about calling pitches? I do not think the difference in skills required is a easy to understand as you suggest.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No study has ever shown that catchers have a tangible, measurable influence in the way that they call a game.
The Mike Matheny effect doesn’t exist.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged, reported as groupthink
I encourage you all to do the same.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duh, because the effect is an intangible! INTANGIBLES WIN BALLGAMEZ
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intangibles = Gamers!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Because Nobody Has Figured Out How To Measure It
doen not mean it doesn’t exist. I will grant you that it’s existance has not been proven. But smarter baseball men the you or me believe so I am inclined to believe as well.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But isn’t that worrying to you? You state that because it hasn’t been proved, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. But then you say that because other “baseball men” believe in it’s importance, that you will too?
Isn’t that groupthink?
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inclined To Believe
is not the same as not willing to consider the possibility of being wrong. It is the later that is group think.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t Groupthink to dismiss something that backed up by no evidence at all. It IS, in fact, Groupthink to say that “the baseball men believe in it, so I do too”. Pretty sure that’s the dictionary definition.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When The Evidence Is Not Conclusive
which is how I see this being, then opinion (or faith if you will) is all we have left to base our position on.
To me groupthink is not being open to ideas outside of a group. I don’t see how you can see my thinking in this light.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the baseball men you are referring to are practicing the Groupthink. I am always open to new ways of thinking, but there has to be some sort of evidence to back it up. Otherwise, anything that anyone says could be accepted as true.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it's......
…disagree with Rainman’s insane ideas = Groupthink
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you think that if a catcher had a huge effect on a pitcher’s ERA that it would be measurable? You can’t have it both ways. We measure how many runs pitchers give up, so if you say that Catcher A is much, much better at calling games, there should be a difference when Catcher B comes in, right?
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Understand This View And See It Has Merit
But I think the starting catcher effects how the game is called for the backups as well so that the difference between them and the backups without their influence becomes more difficult to measure. I have already admitted that I could be wrong on this. But as stated above I am more inclined to trust the feel of experienced baseball men then I am to trust the stats in this case. I am not saying I see the conventional wisdom of experienced baseball men as being without erro but rather that I have not yet been convienced that they are infact in error in this specific case.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about a platoon situation, or a situation where there isn’t an established starter? CERA isn’t different there, either.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many Of These Platoons
invole an offensive catcher and a defensive catcher so I would expect the offensive catcher to take his lead from the defensive catcher. I acknowlege that many are also based on righty/lefty matchups but even here I would bet one is the accepted defensive leader more often then not and the other follows his lead.
Yes, I know that my way of thinking about this makes it hard for those of your point of view to “get me to see the light” as it seems I am not being open to your arguements. But, I assure you I am open. I am just not yet convinced and therefore I continue to base my views on my personal experiences from playing the game. It is after all simular experiences from the far more seasoned baseball minds I refered to above that have lead them to this conclusion as well.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What baseball minds are you referring to exactly? I guarantee that Theo Epstein, architect of two WS winning teams in the last 4 years, wouldn’t buy this stuff.
If you can’t provide us with actual evidence, at least provide us with quotes from people who are successful in the field of professional baseball.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Theo probably would. They gave Veritek a huge contract when he was clearly in decline, and there were many rumors coming from Boston that they were going to sign Mike Matheny in 2005 if they didn’t resign Veritek.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But would either of those signings have had to do with “pitch-calling”?
I would think Matheny would have to do with preventing passed balls (it’s not like the Sox didn’t have a pitcher who might be threat to throw a few hard to handle pitches at the time…). And Veritek,,, well, I don’t really know enough about his current skillset to comment on that.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word is that both those guys call(ed) great games, are leaders, etc.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I probably just should have named him directly instead of dancing around it like a… dancing… guy….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek could hit, and remained a good hitter until last year.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes teams will sign a player because the hometown crowd loves that certain player. I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do, but teams do it.
See: Brynes, Eric.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veritek was a good hitter until 2006, since then he’s been fair to middlin’ at best.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007 he had a 788 OPS as a catcher, and most of that came from a .367 OBP. That’s bloody good for a catcher.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
>I continue to base my views on my personal experiences from playing the game.
Which is why I was so careful to say that “at the major league level.”
The thing with these numbers is that they don’t suggest that the difference between game calling doesn’t exist. What they suggest is that, at the major league level, these differences are not significant enough to be worthwhile.
Whether it’s the result of the level of pitching in MLB being so good that it simply overcomes bad pitch-calling, or that the difference between the pitch-calling of the major league elite is so slim that a bad pitch-caller is nearly as good as a good pitch-caller, or that the hitters are so good in MLB that the difference between hitting a well called pitch and a poorly called pitch is negligible, or some combination of the three, everything points to differences in pitch calling at the major league level to be negligible.
At other levels, say the college level, this might clearly not be the case. There are meteoric differences in skill and knowledge at lower levels of competition, getting more and more meteoric the lower you go. But as you get closer to professional, Major League baseball, the numbers bear out that the difference between a well called game and a poorly called game, whether that difference is a difference of pitch-calling, pitching, hitting, or any combination of the three, just isnt big enough to matter.
Nobody should be saying that it doesn’t exist. But it really, almost overwhelmingly does not matter at that level.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Points
Plus, the pitcher can always shake off the catcher. I don’t know how that would figure into a research project like this, were anyone to take it on. I do think there are good and bad pitch callers, but Best Pitch Caller Ever can call for the perfect slider in the perfect count, the pitch is hung, and it’s a home run.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Understand And Agree With This Point
which is why I hang my hat on not just my limited experiences at lower levels but also on the opinions of those with the highest level of experience. Yes, this could be a baseball myth that might of once been true but ain’t anymore. I am just not yet convienced that this is the case.
by giantsrainman on Aug 25, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that it wouldn’t be that difficult to measure. There’s tons of data on the performances of different pitchers pitching with different catchers (they’re called box-scores). Like, decades worth of data. Enough that any sample size issues would be negligible because the overall sample is so damn large.
So if something should be easy to prove if there is enough data to make a useful study, and that study doesn’t prove it… I mean… really.
If the numbers show that at the major league level the difference in performance for individual pitchers with different catchers is not marked in any significant way, based on an absolute ton of data, then what you’re left trying to prove is pretty much that among the negligible differences, there is variance.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think that a genius catcher could function as a sort of coach, helping pitchers learn how to pitch over the long term, even though there might be no consistent & significant benefit from having that particular catcher behind the plate in any given game. But maybe I’ve just seen Bull Durham too many times.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s only saying that the difference between the best catcher and the worst catcher in the MLB is smaller than, say, the best second-baseman and the worst second-baseman.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't need to BE a third baseman.
The team is far more dynamic now than before Sandoval’s arrival. Not only has the lineup improved, but, thanks in part to the extra rest, Molina is playing better ball. Ishikawa can be eased in at first, Rohlinger doesn’t have to walk the plank, and Bochy’s job becomes a lot easier. Heck, even Sabean has to be pulling for the kid— his success on the field would give the GM one less problem to worry about over the winter. Think about what his ability to play three different positions— and hit— does for next year’s 25 man roster. Maybe a minor change, with the obvious risks of giving key jobs to prospects, seriously improves the team. No expensive free agents: bring in Brandon Wood and, possibly, Kendry Morales, a move that might not be out of the realm of possibility, thanks to both Wood’s long swing and a possible re-signing of Teixera.
Winn RF
Burriss/Denker/Frandsen 2B
Lewis LF
Morales 1B/3B (Ishikawa, 1B)
Rowand CF
Sandoval 3B, C, 1B
Wood SS
Molina C
Keep playing the kids, mixed in with a vet or two. And wait for Posey, Bumgarner, Alderson, et al. The depth chart would be relatively intriguing, with space available for Schierholtz and/or Bowker. Where to invest the money? In this case, maybe signing CC Sabathia doesn’t sound as outlandish as it does now. If the current pitching staff stays together, it’s going to get expensive… The point being, Sandoval’s current flexibility is enormously valuable.
by klemente on Aug 25, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thatt'd awesome
if the gave wins for flexibility.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Aug 25, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intensely interesting reply, zenbitz.
The Giants are not going to win 100 games next year. It’s all about putting a team together that makes sense in another rebuilding season, giving as much time to prospects as possible. Without overpaying for free agents, of course.
by klemente on Aug 25, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted "Yes"...
…but I was considering voting “No” after the way “Maybe” was treated in the primaries.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Clearly
He cannot stick at 3B. The universe would explode.
1) Blogger suggest Pablito at 3B
…
2) Giants play Pablito at 3B
3) Universe explodes.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Aug 25, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I said no
But I think he can play some third or even “stick” at third for the interim. I’d rather give Sandoval a try at 3rd next year then go waste millions of dollars on Joe Crede, or give up prospects for a 1 year rental of Adrian Beltre.
But obviously in the long term it would appear Sandoval cannot play third. He’s too big. He may be pretty athletic for his size, but overtime that would waver. Catcher (even then he doesn’t appear to have a long shelf life there) and first base seem like more likely positions for him in the future.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 25, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the Joel Youngblood Column
and Bob Brenly falls into the Joel Youngblood Column.
by StickRat on Aug 25, 2008 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was a triumph
I’m making a note here: huge success
It’s hard to overstate my satisfaction
by Natto on Aug 25, 2008 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Aperture Science
we do what we must because we can
for the good of all of us except for the ones who are dead
by chilibean_3 on Aug 25, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But there’s no sense crying over every mistake
We’ll just keep on trying till we run out cake
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe this really matters...
…as long as we still have Cain stinking up the middle of the rotation.
Plus, Pablito can win multiple MVP’s and Gold Gloves and 3B and I still wouldn’t have a chance of dating the blond from the previous post.
Also, I like potato chips.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You don’t want to meet a woman in a bar, you want to meet her in a social non threatening environment like a spin class, a farmers market…….. or a pumpkin patch—-depending on the season.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys in fitness classes dominated by women aren’t usually the ones you want to meet.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 25, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying that the cops from Superbad DON’T give good romantic advice???
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you’re saying is that as a woman, what you should be doing is going to fitness classes that are dominated by guys, and then pounding that ass instead.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can McLovin play 3B?
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just reading through this post
We must all be ADD.
58-72
Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - The roller coaster ride continues - Augusta to Norwich to San Jose, the latter of which has been a success so far. 1.50 ERA.
by rhys on Aug 25, 2008 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
tl,dr
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be ri…hey look, a bird!!
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So internal affairs was setting them up the whole time?
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something happened about three weeks ago. I can’t figure out what it was, but now diaries/posts will get 250 comments, with only about 50% related to the diary/post.
I like it, don’t get me wrong, but it isn’t as if traffic increased. At some point, we all just…snapped.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to make that exact same point.
by Grant on Aug 25, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like cheese.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you’re welcome in my pad anytime.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just gameday threads aren’t enough to hold our insane babble any longer!
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly wasn’t expecting to read a detailed Scotch and bourbon review here.
by out machine on Aug 25, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs More Attack Posts
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…
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Baaaa
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Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 25, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve covered craft beer heavily in previous posts. I dunno if we’ve done wine yet (not my speciality).
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddog, like hindsight, is always 20/20
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now you know where to get your quality whiskey info.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also: hmmm. Three weeks ago is also about the time I said, “Aw, fuck it. I’m going to post to MCC from work even though technically I’m not supposed to.”
ALL MY FAULT.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Least productive weeks I’ve ever had.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 25, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, I’m the one who broke the economy!
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if you stop posting at work, will gas prices go down?
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you stop posting from work
the terrorists win.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People’s online obituary messages will get posted more quickly, which means they’ll get out of mourning more quickly, which means they’ll go out and buy tube socks ‘cause they’re not in the basement weeping over their ol’ dead granny and surely FULL EMPLOYMENT will follow!!!
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and there goes another inappropriate lol
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have an obit for him in our database!
But it’s not online anymore.
More wasted time, thanks!
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Highest number of dirty looks from coworkers after an impromptu LOL
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snapped like a FOX.
Pablo Sandoval wants to rock and roll all night.
by satyricrash on Aug 25, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to say that this has nothing to do with me. All of my comments are always, 100% relevant and on topic.
Wait… sorry, I thought this was NinersNation. Yeah, I might have had something to do with that here… I guess….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are even responding to FanShots now.
FanShots!!!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I was never unsnapped.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 25, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Advanced Dungeons and Dragons?
I guess, but I left my dice at home.
by Natto on Aug 25, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he can
Pablo Sandoval. Joe Torre. Joe Torre. Pablo Sandoval.
by wilriv21 on Aug 25, 2008 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice. And then after he retires he can crappily manage our team.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And somehow retain the respect of almost all baseball fans despite letting your team’s owner ream your ass for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then he’ll go manage the Red Sox, and people will say, “I just have a hard time seeing him as an East Coast guy”
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote from Ball Four
“I’m not sure any pictures of Joe Torre exist. He dissolves camera lenses.”
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really gotta read Ball Four, I always read quotes from it that sound great.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, what??
It’s f’ing fantastic. Go directly to your local liberry, STAT!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW, RIGHT?
I’ve had it on my Amazon wishlist forever, I need to buy it but I’m reading like 4 books right now (2 of them are baseball related).
STAT!
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soc Et Tuum , Tigres!
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on Aug 25, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bouton is a national treasure
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks kind of like a homely raccoon.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks better now that he did then.
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he looks like the Emperor from Return of the Jedi.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 25, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Joe Torre would have been born 100 years earlier, he would have had a lucrative career as a silent movie monster actor.
by xanthan on Aug 25, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a shame he missed out on having a lucrative career.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the entertainment business, no less
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All that are missing are the bolts coming out of his neck.
Oh, and Elsa Lanchester.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Joe Torre Brings Home Oscar Gold in Marty Remake”
Pablo Sandoval wants to rock and roll all night.
by satyricrash on Aug 25, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I play softball with this guy who played high school ball in NYC in the 1950s, and he’s got this awesome story about playing some sort of city championship game in the Polo Grounds. Joe Torre was the star of the opposing team, from Brooklyn. My friend was playing left and Torre lined one right to him … he says it was so hard-hit that he could see the imprint of the seams in his palm when he took his glove off.
I dunno, maybe that last detail was over the top.
by Evan on Aug 25, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of chubby players
Headline of the day, from Rotoworld’s RSS Feed: “Rangers get Hamburger for Guardado”
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Y'know what's really funny?
Way up north in this thread they’re having a spirited discussion about baseball, using all sorts of facts and analysis and stuff…
The nerve.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Enh, they’re mainly just mocking rainman.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GROUPTHINK ALERT!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is an epic thread
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing it’s lacking is more pictures of the blonde.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were a few, but somebody didn’t want his mom to see.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
work safe
Gamer chicks snatch foul balls away from Dodger fans:
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howie....here's your chance
From her Myspace page:
For example, she likes going to baseball games. “My favorite team is the Giants, and Barry Zito is my favorite player,” she says. She studies psychology at a California college, and as for chemistry, she likes fun-loving guys who are not afraid to make the first move.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 25, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Barry Zito is my favorite player"
That’s boner poison!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad
But true.
“Barry Zito $126 Million is my favorite player”
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"She studies psychology at a California college"
All part of her master plan. She’s testing you.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speakin of boners
How much do you want to bet FP has one here:
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She doesn’t look as good in this one, and not only because of FP (though that doesn’t help).
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. looks like she’s gained a few pounds since then (I’m assuming this pic is older).
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s trying to think of which anecdote of him & Felipe Alou will impress her the most.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you that’s a short list of anecdotes.
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fill in the Thought Bubble Next to FP's head
“How much do I have to move my left hand to get some side boob?”
by out machine on Aug 25, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids = boner-free zone
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
she likes fun-loving guys who are not afraid to makethe first movean ass of themselves.
Now howie has a chance with her
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
she likes fun-loving guys who are not afraid to makethe first movean ass of themselves online.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed it!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause I can’t get enough.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve wasted my entire day leading up to work. Which is fine because after a really nice, active weekend, my plan for Monday was to be a total waste anyway.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to come to the office to get some rest.,
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody remember Edwards Guzman playing 3rd?
Right you are Ken
by stealth snail on Aug 25, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 25, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howbout Luis Guzman?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite movie with Luis Guzman in it?
Carlito’s Way
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 25, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boogie Nights.
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New thread
this one is getting unwieldy.
Also, The Limey
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Count of Monte Cristo
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I’m hungry for a Monte Cristo sammich.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember his short stint as a “super-sub”
by rotorueter on Aug 25, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in the standing room only area on the arcade when Edwards hit his 1st big league homer. High times, my friends. High times.
by tyrannoman on Aug 25, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crooked hat alert
Mariners purchased the contract of RHP Randy Messenger from Triple-A Tacoma.
Messenger had a 4.20 ERA in 64 1/3 innings for the Marlins and Giants last season, but this will be his first action in the majors this year. He had a 2.38 ERA in 22 2/3 innings since the Mariners signed him and sent him to Tacoma. He’ll be tried in middle relief, and if he pitches well, Seattle will be able to keep him at a minimum salary for 2009.
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: One of the few reasons to watch this year.
by sfgreg on Aug 25, 2008 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When did he cease to be in our organization? I must’ve missed that. And I follow Randy Messenger news so closely…
What man? Which man? Who’s the man? When’s a man a man? What makes a man a man? Am I a man? Yes. Technically I am. - FotC
by jcb9 on Aug 25, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They cut him twice, I think
I was a sorta fan.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 25, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I missed that too
I’m really sad to find this out……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
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Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOT!
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now! Don’t shoot the Messenger!
Isn’t he a local dude? I’m glad to see he’s pitched his way back into the big leagues. He’s still just 26, so he might have a career in front of him.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s from Reno, but I don’t think he grew up a Giants fan.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 25, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I read somewhere that he didn’t grow up a Giants fan.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that too, but you can’t trust groug.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Groug shot a man in Reno
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean you can't trust me
I was very honest about it.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 25, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so he might have a career in front of him.
Yeah, but probably not.
His cap annoyed me. As did his pitching.
Only 849 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 25, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"His cap annoyed me."
Perhaps, but Juan Pierre still holds the “Most Annoying Cap” award in the Hutch household.
Patron saint of pesky hitters.
by younghutch on Aug 25, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed it too.
According to the PCL transactions list, the Grizzlies put him on the “temporary inactive list” on June 30 and he was acquired by Tacoma on July 11.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed that too!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 25, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey the Dodgers and Phillies are on National tv for the 3RD time in 3 DAYS, and we cant get our Saturday game.
by CB30 on Aug 25, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Anyone else see this and hope it would be a Love and Rockets thread?
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 25, 2008 4:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Short answer:
No.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 25, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY!!
I did some work for their Cochella reunion this year.
Pablo Sandoval wants to rock and roll all night.
by satyricrash on Aug 25, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mirror People laugh at you and laugh at me.
Did j’all catch that late inning Pedroism in Philly yesterday?
Three run walkoff. First pitch to him.
"Ain't got a hope in Hell - that's my belief." - Bon Scott
by victor frankenstein on Aug 25, 2008 5:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pablo Sandoval Nickname recommendation: "Big Pabi"
With all due respect to David Ortiz…
I didn’t come up with this…my wife did. I like it.
D
"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum
by Timlincecum.com on Aug 25, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No offense to your wife, but Oh heellll no!!
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 26, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
How about Pablo Cruise?
Really dating myself now.
D
"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum
by Timlincecum.com on Aug 26, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to stay at third!
He can just play there once or twice a week and develop with the bat. If he can actually handle it, though, the Giants are one of 4 gaping holes closer to competing. And I like the possibility that one of Burris or Ochoa can hit well enough to be a league-average shortstop.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Aug 25, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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