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Open Gameday Thread, 8/19

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Florida Marlins @ San Francisco Giants


As this thread goes live, I'll be in a bar with a dozen or so of my acolytes. The truest believers, if you will. They'll all stand around dumbfounded, staring at me. "It's Grant," they'll think. "It's actually him!"

They won't expect me to be so good looking, I'm sure. I'll wish that they stop staring.

I'll make a half-hearted attempt at humor in an attempt to break the awkward silence. The joke isn't funny, but everyone will start guffawing with laughter. Some of them will try to pat me on the back. One of them will try to snip a lock of my hair.

You could be there. You could be at Zeke's at 6:00 for the 46th-annual McCovey Chronicles meet-up tonight. It's probably the last one for a while.

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Kevin Correia 2-6 16 15 0 0 0 0 82.2 95 51 47 9 34 56 5.12 1.56

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Ricky Nolasco 11-7 26 24 0 0 0 0 155.1 152 72 67 22 35 126 3.88 1.20

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Sergio Mendes has a cult following. They follow him like a cult.

by satyricrash on Aug 19, 2008 5:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, I won’t be there. I haven’t gotten my shots yet.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 5:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry to miss it.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brooklyn says Hi. And reminds you, that just because the rookies are finally on the field, they should not be imitated at the bar.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2008 5:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Omaha says hi as well

Now back to learning about all kinds of nasty bugs than can kill you.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hi from minny

sorry, not making the 2000 mile trip….but have fun everyone!

by bondslegend on Aug 19, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greetings from Oakland

Not making the, uh, 10 mile trip.

Night games just don’t work with a 2-year old. Oh well.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hello from Cowtown

My pet bovine couldn’t get me to the bay in the time required.

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 6:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

srsly,

Ever seen a cow in Sacramento?
You talk like yer livin in Oakdale.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 6:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I was a kid, a friend of mine in Albany had neighbors who kept goats in their back yard. If there can be goats in Albany, surely there can be cows in Sacramento.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there may be, but a couple of goats does not make a goat-town.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 6:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

surprised anyone knows where Oakdale is… I’m in Riverbank. Talk about a real cow town.

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean Riverbank: City of Action!

I’m from Sonora. I know cow towns. Sonora wishes it were a cow town.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh hush all of you, I went to high school in Chowchilla, we lived ten miles outside of town. Can you say boonies? Yes I bet you can.

by timmeh on Aug 19, 2008 7:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are we having a hick-off?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I only lived there for 4 years, so technically no.

by timmeh on Aug 19, 2008 7:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just checking

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miles city, MT

I win. That’s the “town” of my childhood….

I have no idea what the towns you’re talking about are like, but at least they’re in California and not Montana…

by bondslegend on Aug 19, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ironically

The nickname city of action comes from Riverbank’s past as a party town. Apparently it used to be full of prostitutes and cheap bars. So the city passed an ordinance making it illegal to dance to music past 10pm… a law that is still on the books.

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really can’t imagine Riverbank as a hive of scum and villainy.

Turlock, on the other hand. . . .

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, you grew up in the movie Footloose? ;)

"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plenty of cows in Sac right now… the State Fair’s in session!

by Merope on Aug 19, 2008 7:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

point

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plenty of gangbangers as well.

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really....I'm livin large in Natomas yo!

Some jackass broke into my place yesterday though and took off with a few thousand dollars of electronics, so maybe they’re really stealthy hood-rat kinda cows.

P.S. How the very same idiots left this very computer is beyond me. Perhaps they’re stupid, stealthy, hood-rat kinda cows!

Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.

by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 7:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sucks.

A friend of mine’s truck was busted into in Del Paso Heights, they stole a bag out of the front seat: a bag that was full of garbage.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dr. Jeffrey Leonard says....

St. Louis is Cow town.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nor do they work with a 6 and 3 year old. Darn this responsible parenting!

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am totally taking my 7-month-old..

..ok, maybe not to a night game. But we did go to a dodgers day game.

He was a lot better than the Giants, alas.

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 6:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That age is easy – just stick ’em in a Baby Bjorn with a little fuzzy hat, and you can take ’em anywhere for however long you want. I did lots of games when I had just one little one – mostly night ones.

After they’re mobile, it’s all downhill from there. :o)

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, once they start walking, they never want to stay still again. Or that’s how my son is, anyway.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My kids just want to go down the Coke slide and play in the mini-ballpark. They’re not sitting kids. Seems silly to spend over $100 on tickets for them and my husband just so I can sit by myself and watch the game.

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 6:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Currently, my son just wants to flirt with the women sitting around us and eat our food.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sounds familiar..

..except ours flirts with the little nine-month-old girls.

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everybody have fun tonight!

That way you can spew bile and profanities without disturbing the delicate sensibilities of your family.

Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.

by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 7:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We took my son to his first game at Wrigley field when he was about a month old. He’s been to three games at Phone Company Park since.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AB R H RBI BB SO AVG
D Roberts LF
I Ochoa SS
R Winn RF
B Molina C
A Rowand CF
T Ishikawa 1B
E Burriss 2B
R Rohlinger 3B
K Correia P

by superk1ng on Aug 19, 2008 6:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least

Omar isn’t starting.

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Aug 19, 2008 6:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why the hell Bochy thinks Winn is anything like a #3 hitter is beyond me.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think he has many options.

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 6:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even with the same players, how about:

1) Dave Roberts
2) Randy Winn
3) Aaron Rowand
4) Bengie Molina
5) Travis Ishikawa
6) Ryan Rohlinger
7) Ivan Ochoa
8) Emmanuel Burriss

It’s still a pathetic lineup, but at least it doesn’t have Ochoa at the top of the lineup and Winn in the middle.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t know if Ishikawa is ready for the 5 hole just yet. Although it might actually be interesting to put him up in the 3 hole.

At this point in the season, we may as well try as many wacky combinations as possible.

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, he hit there yesterday – and Friday, I think.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, oops. I’ve been offline for most of the last week, not watching as much of the games as I’d like.

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 6:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yesterday was a rare day when I got to listen to the entire game without interruption – the 2-year old thing again.

Also, I’m operating on the theory of, “Jesus fuck anything must be better than this crap.”

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 6:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a popular theory.

Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.

by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 6:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's the Vegas line

vegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegasvegas

“Ain’t got a hope in Hell , that’s my belief.” – Bon Scott

Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.

by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 6:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems the late Mr. Scott was prophetic.

Think I be adoptin’ that paticler utterance.

Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.

by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 10:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone wanna give me a lift over there?? Just 3000 miles away in Queens, NY

Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment

by rxmeister on Aug 19, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have fun you asshats!

by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 19, 2008 6:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Random asshat image

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 6:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Correia.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crawford is stating tonight for AZL. He signed a day or two before Posey signed so Posey is probably a day or two away from his professional debut.

by wilriv21 on Aug 19, 2008 7:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bring him up

and Crawford GIDP in his first AB tonight

by wilriv21 on Aug 19, 2008 7:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There once was a man from Tallahassee
Whose sister was a bonnie young lassie
He’ll go to Scottsdale
We pray he won’t fail
And he’ll soon move up to a higher classy.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you have a day job?

by wilriv21 on Aug 19, 2008 7:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Irish night?

Good thing I’m already drinking.

Without killing anyone
We've won it 3 times

by ChrisHero on Aug 19, 2008 7:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shhh, don’t tell Lars

by wilriv21 on Aug 19, 2008 7:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish we would have signed Cantu

and that’s why…

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh.

Without killing anyone
We've won it 3 times

by ChrisHero on Aug 19, 2008 7:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember when Kent hit a game-winner off the car? KNBR used that as a highlight for YEARS.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roid rage

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same look he had while playing 2nd during the ASG.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks more like confusion rage to me.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh man – I went out to light the BBQ and came back to 1-0. Dammit.

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 7:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

middle of the plate

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Multiple players with more than twenty homers. Bizarre.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more than ten, you mean

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We at least have one of those.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that legal?

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No it shouldn’t be.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

must all be using the roids

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

53-71

Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - Just got promoted to CT, and is now sporting a gleaming 8.35 ERA.

by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bengie doesn’t frame pitches that well

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me thinks

Correia doesn’t have the good stuff tonight

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First clue?

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 7:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

um...

I saw him as the probable pitcher

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup.

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have the funny feeling that we aren’t seeing Good Kevin tonight.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Avoided the nuclear blast in the first, at least.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree with both of these

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There were bases open anyway…

by rightcenterfielder on Aug 19, 2008 7:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh good, more baserunners

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even the Giants could score runs

..if they got five outs an inning.

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One hit, one run, 3 LOB? Sheesh.

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds familiar.

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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

positively giants-esque

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

phew

53-71

Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - Just got promoted to CT, and is now sporting a gleaming 8.35 ERA.

by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah!

lack of complete disaster!

Car = MVP!

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kruk has gotten into my mind

I just typed “Travis Ishigawa.”

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m glad some of the regulars are here tonight

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me too

I was worried that I would have to endure this game alone

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, we’ll only have twice the number of comments as the other team’s SBNation blog, rather than 4-5 times.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s getting close to lunch time in South Korea and I just miss Garlic fries at AT&T Park…

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d air mail ya some, but I don’t think they’d travel too well.

by Merope on Aug 19, 2008 7:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think so… that’s too bad for me.

But thanks anyway. ;)

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bet Korea’s got some treats for you.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I tried to find some similar one in South Korea but failed.
I can’t get over the favor of Garlic fries…

I’m calling Garlic fries to “Magical fries” actually.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garlic fries are a beautiful thing – but I’ve never had a Korean dish I didn’t love, so you won’t get too much sympathy!

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Korean food, too… But there’s no Garlic fries. It’s huge flaw to me lol.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ichiro says the whole country smells like garlic, so you’d think theyd be able to help you out

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s not Garlic fries still !

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they have potatoes in Korea, garlic too.

THe parsely might be the toughest thing to procure.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Olive oil?

That’s how we make ’em, anyway.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve had said to my friends: “If I go to San Francisco, it’s for Garlic fries not baseball”

Giants should consider to export those Garlics. Similar one in South Korea NOT my favor ARG.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true dat

In many Asian countries, olive oil is mainly sold as a cosmetic.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where’s Rialto?

(Nolasco’s hometown – Krukow says it’s Northern California, but I’m not familiar with it)

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

umm, between fontana and san bernadino

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That might be why I hadn’t heard of it!

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats north of, uh, some of California…

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About 50 miles east of LA

by wilriv21 on Aug 19, 2008 7:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was not a strike for Kevin last inning.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course.

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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nothing was

..except for pitches four inches outside.

It’s not that the zone was unfair that irked me — it’s that it was insane.

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

@#%!

..and that ‘strike’ was even higher.

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, Giants are facing Ricky “Cy” Nolasco

by wilriv21 on Aug 19, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jacobs

not much with the glove

by CB30 on Aug 19, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seeing eye!

53-71

Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - Just got promoted to CT, and is now sporting a gleaming 8.35 ERA.

by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is there a team worse defensively than the Giants?

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by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is our team that bad defensively?

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Castillo + Durham + Bowker was pretty awful.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

funny that none of them are on the team anymore.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you can’t put out a good hitting team, at least put one out that can catch the ball?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you’d think that a team could manage to do one or the other. and then you’d meet brian sabean.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ramirez and Jacobs are defensive disasters. Uggla is having an ok year but he does his pitcher no favors either.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don’t forget cantu. that is not a good infield.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh and Cantu!

Is there a position he can not butcher?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uggla’s glove isnt gold if you know what i mean

by CB30 on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I recall from when Bengie for Jacobs was being discussed, Jacobs is the worst defensive first baseman in the game by some measures.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an other great non move.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jaclolbs

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These games Vs. the fish just isn’t the same with the prospect of Willis pitcing. I’m sorry but i miss it.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Working on dinner

Gazpacho + corn fritters

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sounds good

I had chicken breast with a simple mushroom gravy served over white rice

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by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that does sound tasty

corn fritters, mmm. i had tandoori chicken with rice and a salad.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BBQ chicken with a mesquite sauce, cheesy rice and brocolli. Cheap wine.

It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
Now featuring new content, although I can't promise it's good.

by can of corn on Aug 19, 2008 8:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants hitters should hit the ball within Uggla’s range. I think that’s better way to get on base for them.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

any ground-ball is probably a good bet.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uggla might be the best defender in that infield. ANd that’s not praise for Uggla.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

freaking A

what happened to Ishikawa’s glove?

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yikes. tough start for Ishi

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

again???

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis you need to make the front office NOT want to send to Fresno…

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hopefully that doesnt effect the way he hits

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i gave up studying for this?

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have the radio on now so I didn’t see that, but to be fair, that first error had a nasty hop.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dumb du dumn dumn dumn

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

phhh

goddamnit. get outs!

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like it’s time to load the bases again

by rightcenterfielder on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

poop

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are we in for a prime example of a youngish squad playing down to the level of competition?

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if Correia has had more value to us this year or last?

He sure is a good late-inning reliever, and emotionally at least, I’d like to see us replace him with a different starting pitcher.

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

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by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It seems like there are a lot of Jason Jennings-types available via free agency this winter—-perhaps we should sign one to a one year guarateed/one year option deal and have Correia be the 8th inning fireman type.

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me too

especially if it’s on a potentially high reward type pitcher who has had success in the past but has been injured of late.

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by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who are the Jason Jennings types who aren’t actually Jason Jennings?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt Clement, Mark Mulder just off the top of my head. MLB4U.com isnt loading right now.

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to MLBtraderumors.com's 2009 FA list

Freddy Garcia, Bartolo Colon, Kris Benson, Matt Clement, Jason Jennings, Mark Mulder, Carl Pavano, and Mark Prior.

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, no, no, no..

..or have you forgotten the last FA pitcher this team signed?

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the one before that, I think, was Jamey Wright. And the one before that might’ve been Brett Tomko.

TRACK RECORD!

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

matt morris?

Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!

by BrianBokake on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right, him too.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks

..and I believe I rest my case

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neither of those guys were bad gambles. Tomko even had one good season.

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're talking about Zito and Morris here

I trust this crew with free-agent signings the way I trust strangers to give me candy.

by wcw on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not seeing any long term deals going to that group.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly. This is why we left out AJ Burnett, Derek Lowe, etc.

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes on mark prior? dude hasn’t been healthy in (it seems like) five years. no way would i waste my money.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fair enough. i just would never guarantee him ANY money.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

upside’s enough to warrant a flyer.

I would be surprised if Mulder ever pitches again. The cardinals have tried very hard to end his career.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’d be surprised if prior ever pitches again.

by cornball on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“dont forget about mark mulder!”

Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!

by BrianBokake on Aug 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How bad was Garcia hurt? He was a pretty good pitcher not too long ago.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand that his velocity is pretty low right now. Like in the mid-80s

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also:

Paul Byrd, Odalis Perez, Randy Wolf, Kenny Rogers—— some of this depends on whether you think the guys are salvagable.

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another option we haven't mentioned

I know it’s unlikely, but Noah Lowry could just be healthy.

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who?

Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!

by BrianBokake on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don’t think we should count on it.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would be nice, though.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me either

but he should be mentioned as a possibility for the 5th starter job

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by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah i liked lowry. a lot more than correia.

Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!

by BrianBokake on Aug 19, 2008 7:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is more likely: Lowry returning to form or Zito becoming decent again?

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly

probably Zito becoming decent again.

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sadly, zito. but who knows about either really

Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!

by BrianBokake on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabean finds a hard hiting young first baseman. And plays him?

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 8:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Byrd or Perez might get multi year deals. Wolf, I don’t have a real good feel for.

Shouldn’t Kenny Rogers be getting around to retiring by now?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it has merrit. If the guy recovers shop him in july. works for me.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People might see the pixels though.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Especially the ones who have seen a lot of them in their day

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

logic getting in the way of a good story again.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 8:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m in favor of him as a reliever. Last year’s stint as a starter looks more and more like a fluke.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I mean, aesthetically he’s clearly better as a reliever, but I wonder if his work as a mediocre starter is still more valuable than a good reliever.

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don’t know.
He had a case of Homeritiss as a reliever. Not a good thing to have with less then 10 outs left ina game and a weak “o” to make it up.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look on the bright side

At least we’re not at the park watching the game. I mean, imagine the losers who are there now.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those poor bastards

If it gets really bad, maybe those of us who’re in the Bay Area can mount some sort of humanitarian rescue mission.

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But they have Garlic fries !

With Garlics, there’s no crying in baseball.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yikes

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Throw Strikes: Giants Pitcher

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

induced a line drive.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ochoa doing his part

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The power of 8 continues.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shoulda been the 3rd out

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s one bullet dodged.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DP??

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn it

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Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - Just got promoted to CT, and is now sporting a gleaming 8.35 ERA.

by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

x2

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Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - Just got promoted to CT, and is now sporting a gleaming 8.35 ERA.

by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyway, my Ivory Shinjo (#5) jersey just switched to Ishikawa through Durham.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo shit

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

flippin a

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bet he is a Shane Victorino fan.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still 0 ER for Correia

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is such a thing!?

by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game needs to entertain me for the next 2 hours. It’s not looking good.

Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.

by SF Pete on Aug 19, 2008 7:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on what you find to be entertaining.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There does seem to be a lot of young ones that has issues at home. I am beginning to wonder that it is about the park that is so jarring to them.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're dodging bullets better than Neo

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Fish still only have one hit…

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blast from the past

Once upon a time the Giants had a player named John Bowker, well he hit a HR for Fresno tonight

by wilriv21 on Aug 19, 2008 7:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he will be back.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brighten my day - Ishi

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you heat that? Rowand said “F—K” after hit a pop up.

Gamer.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 7:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

needs to work on his Gumby shoulders though.

Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!

by daveinexile on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He hit a nasty shot.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Aug 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

er shit

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by rhys on Aug 19, 2008 7:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What’s that you say? A Shutout by the Marlins pitcher of the Giants?

by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats a great profile picture rcf

Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!

by BrianBokake on Aug 19, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I love that picture of the gamer slide

by rightcenterfielder on Aug 19, 2008 8:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bah! Time for me to get back to work.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 8:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

leave the game ? I’m jealousy.

Giants the never sunset.

by aras on Aug 19, 2008 8:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the game will stay on, but the thread interferes with my statistical software.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are so right.

It wasn’t a problem until I upgraded.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up