Nate Schierholtz starts an internantional clash!
by aybayz on Aug 18, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
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Literally...so the U.S. played China yesterday and apparently Nate's collision with China's catcher, Yang Yang at home on a sac fly was viewed as too rough and relaltiation started the following inning. The catcher even had to be restrained by teammates and the Chinese manager, Jim Lefebvre, got tossed for arguing the play. (Wasn't he a Giants coach at some point? Hitting or something? Well before that he was a Dodgers, so typical....) Matt LaPorta got dinged on the head at the top of the seventh and some people got ejected. Then Yang later homers and celebrates the whole way around the bases..all this heated debacle caused by our very own Nate Schierholtz - way to deck their catcher!
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I think we had Joe LeFebevre, Sabes BFF from high school.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 18, 2008 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BOOYAHHHHHHHHH
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: One of the few reasons to watch this year.
by sfgreg on Aug 18, 2008 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kee-rist
that does look brutal.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 18, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was on a sac fly? Oh Nate…
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
The Chinese player looks like he is at peace, and righting the wings to the best of his ability to come in for a smooth landing.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Aug 18, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s very zen.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lolz
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on Aug 19, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safe
It looks like the catcher is calling nate safe. I’m watching the replay of the game right now, it was a beautiful play. Looks like he was taking out his frustration from being stuck in AAA out on the poor Chinese guy.
Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.
by The Thrill on Aug 18, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YARD SALE!
Equipment everywhere
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ga.... mer?
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 18, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh so that’s what the beaning of LaPorta was all about. Yikes.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Chinese baseball is anything like Japanese baseball, big collisions are considered ungentlemanly.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2008 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As is throwing at guys. In Japanese baseball they hardly ever throw at a guy on purpose. They have to indicate that they didn’t mean to hit a batter by touching their cap or something similar.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BVCE
You watch too much Mr. Baseball…Tom Selleck FTMFW!
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on Aug 19, 2008 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a damn fine movie and don’t you forget it!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 19, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could hit dingers so beautiful women would inexplicably fall in love with me.
Oh wells.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 19, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in this country, that’s playing the game “the right way”
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate is one bad motha
I'm young, and pretty, and can't possibly be beat.
-Ricky Watters
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 18, 2008 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the facial expressions in the last pic
He was a young American!
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Aug 18, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The China catcher looks like he’s ready to deck Nate…
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this will get China more into baseball.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they can beat up Americans?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they can beat up Nate Schierholtz
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they can TRY to beat up Nate Schierholtz
I'm young, and pretty, and can't possibly be beat.
-Ricky Watters
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 18, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh great now the Giants will keep Randy Winn because the team reached an agreement to send Nate to China to play the role of punching bag.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if, next time I take my semiannual China trip Nate Schierholtz will be the English name that everybody asks me how to pronounce (displacing Kurt Cobain and Tracy McCrady).
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just tell them Schierholtz is pronounced “KNOCK YOU THE FUCK OUT”
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why i play
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 18, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
embrace your inner Will Clark young Nate… Feel it flow through you…
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 18, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, those are some butt-ugly uniforms on both sides of the plate.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
by Kitspool on Aug 18, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are some horrific jerseys for China.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 18, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. WTF is the flames thing on the sleeves?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously, it’s alluding to their flamethrowers duh.
by aybayz on Aug 18, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate:
“Those are some flamin’ uniforms… Just saying.”
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BURN
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Is awesome. (Now that I can see it).
Nate: I’m 26 and I’m in Triple-A motherfukca!
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s on team USAAAA
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out that run-away train.
Choo Choo CHOOOOOOOOOOOOO……BLAM!
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 18, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say, I think the collision was completely unnecessary
It was 4-0 in the 6th, first of all. While I can understand there being some anger at the people who were hit before, if he was, it was a play where he didn’t have to go in high. The catcher was about a step in front of the plate, not blocking it, and the throw came in high. Schierholtz could’ve easily slid behind him and never been touched.
Whether China was hitting people intentionally or because they’re just not very good (and I’ve seen scouts say they have maybe a handful of players who could play in the minors here with the rest being about on a level with high school or college), I can’t say.
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by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Baseball, not rec Softball
It is not typically a contact sport, but it has it’s moments which are as intense as any other sport out there.
Unnecessary or not, if he is blocking the base path and gets run the fuck over – that is his problem and well within the rules of the sport. (Written or unwritten).
I don’t care if it’s 4-0, or how close the play was. Maybe if it was 15-0 you might have a point, but – if it’s 15-0 then he shouldn’t be standing in the base path. If the ball is live, pay the fuck attention.
No one criticizes when a football player blocks a guy out of bounds who was behind the play. It’s part of the game – You don’t often have the opportunity to do in depth analysis of the criticality of a move in the moment. You just go with your instinct. A 4-0 game is certainly close enough that the run matters, and with an impending play at the plate and the catcher between you and home, laying the catcher out is a perfectly acceptable choice. If the catcher doesn’t think the play is going to be close, or thinks the game is already over – then he should stand to the damn side.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason
You do not see this more often in MLB is that catchers have the good sense not to stand in the base paths like an idiot unless they are actually trying to block the runner off the plate.
And if they are, then it’s fair game.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's nice, but when Nate ran him over he was in front of the plate, not blocking it or the basepath.
If the catcher is blocking the plate I’m fully in support of running him over if necessary.
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by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Yes, it was 4-0 and China is not a baseball powerhouse, but Nasty Nate was likely “in the moment” and his years of playing hard-nosed baseball have taught him to hit the catcher if the opportunity is there. If the game is close in later innings and Team USA might score a critical run on a play at home, that catcher will think twice about blocking the plate. I think that’s the reason guys like Nate play what some would call a violent style. I personally have no problem with it.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on Aug 19, 2008 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and I'm not blaming Nate for doing it. Just saying it wasn't necessary. It wasn't like...
…he had no other choice but to go through the catcher.
I mean, I watched the clip. The plate was open to him.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever played baseball?
Or any sport, for that matter?
Like, for real – not just at a picnic w/ your buddies?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, yes. A lot, in fact.
I’m not wrong just because you disagree with me.
The plate was not blocked and neither was Nate’s path to it. This is something that would be obvious just from looking at the clip. There was no NEED for him to plow into the catcher the way he did.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering
Because, for those of us who have, It is a lot more understandable why something like this would happen.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I get that you aren’t interested in talking about what I am – where the catcher was and all the room Nate had – so you want to question my experience with sports. That’s kind of typical as a way to divert from the actual point.
Nate hit the guy to send a message to the other team about the beanballs. There’s nothing wrong with being honest about that.
There’s also nothing wrong with admitting he had all the room in the world to slide to the right instead of altering his path to head to the left, into the catcher.
If you’d like to talk about that, I’m here. If you want to question my personal experiences with sports, I’m through.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that shit really rubs me the wrong way too.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 19, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s really a BS stance to take.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you guys even talking about?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not commenting on anything that’s been said in the entire conversation except for the part about “Have you ever played?”
That’s a crap line to pull, even though I see that you try to explain your reasoning for saying it below. You’re still really just pulling a pretty minor distinction. There’s not much of a difference between saying “I played and you didn’t so I know better” and saying “I’m trying to see if you’re speaking from the perspective of a player or not, because if you were then you’d be more likely to understand my point.”
The two are saying the same damn thing (only competitive players really know the nuances), except the second way (the way you say it) it simply saying it in a way that sounds nicer. It’s just about the weakest place you could take your point, and is the first step in my eyes toward losing your argumentative credibility because it takes yor argument from being “point/counterpoint” to being “You’re wrong because I know more.” Which is more of a bully tactic.
So that, it’s BS.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
But I guess i disagree in that I do think the POV of athletes vs. couchletes can be different.
For the record – I never played “real” baseball, I gave it up to play another sport. So it wasn’t an attempt at “I’m right and you’re wrong because I played.”
It was more of a “If you’ve never experienced the adrenaline of competitive sport, you might not understand my POV” which I think is a perfectly reasonable point.
In this case, clearly Nate could have avoided the collision – so the question as to why he did not certainly calls into question his adrenaline and competitive nature – which someone who hasn’t been in that situation may struggle to identify with.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing to go with that is even among those who did play...
…they’re not all going to agree on everything either.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically what howie said
Whether or not anyone’s played ball at any particular level does not make his/her opinion any more or less valid. It’s bullyish and irrelevant.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 19, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
see above
It doesn’t make their opinion any more or less valid, but it does potentially alter their POV.
To make an analogy, it’s easy for those of us sitting at home to question the police when they seem overly violent – but ask any officer and often they will defend the acts of their fellow officers because they know what it feels like to make decisions and react in those situations.
Sitting at home on the couch, the game of baseball looks pretty easy – and misplays or poor choices (or even just questionable ones like Nate’s) can look pretty dumb or clear from the POV of the camera.
But, down “in the trenches”, so to speak, the POV is different – and that is a valid thing to recognize.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not completely sure I agree, still. I think most people understand what it’s like to be in the heat of the moment, and whether that comes from experience playing a sport, from getting into a street fight, from doing somethig stupid when you’re drunk, or hundreds of other situations, I think they can identify with the premise of doing something questionable when your blood is boiling.
I think a more important distinction, rather than what to me is a problematic issue of POV, is the level to which being in the heat of the moment makes doing something questionable excusable.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do understand yor point, flashfire, but I think we have a disagreement on the runner’s responsibility. To me, the runner does not have to slide to avoid the contact. It is the fielder’s (especially the catcher, where most of these kind of plays occur) job to stay out of the way of the runner. If it was a message because of the beanballs, so be it. The catcher put himself in harm’s way.
by tyrannoman on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please look where the catcher was as Nate got there
He’s in front of the plate as the throw is getting there, not on the plate or in the baseline where you usually see someone trying to block it. Nate came in hard toward him to make the contact. There was more than enough room to go past him on the far side if he wanted to.
I think he just wanted to hit the guy.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just wanted to hit the guy
Maybe not. Who knows?
What I do know is that, in the “heat of the moment” so to speak with the catcher anywhere near the plate like that, I’m going to potentially take him out. I’m not going to slide (and risk sliding into a tag) when I can plow the guy and guarantee I’m safe (and that the trailing runner may advance, etc). It is the catchers job to not make himself a target, which most ML catchers do (when the play isn’t gonna be close).
The runner has no idea where the ball is, and if it’s gonna be a close play. By sliding behind the catcher in that circumstance, the runner risks sliding into a tag. By impacting the cather, the runner reduces the risk of being tagged out.
Some players (people) are more aggressive than others, and are more likely to “take the opportunity” to do so – Especially if the level of physicality of the game has already been escalated by prior events.
There is nothing wrong with that.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen that view before
but I still have to say the catcher is enough in the baseline to be plowed. One thing I didn’t take into effect is the experience/inexperience of the chinese catcher. I have no idea how advanced baseball is in China, and he may not have known that he was in the wrong spot.
I do think it’s funny that the mangers always have to come out and argue after a big collision, justified or not. I know that emotions were running high at the time, but WTF is a manger going to tell an umpire?
by tyrannoman on Aug 19, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very not advanced
They’ve had teams for a little over 4 years.
Mao banned baseball as middle class way back when. Just another bullet on a stellar resume.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 19, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His feet are the wrong way, too. Should be right foot forward.
’Nother note on the play,.. Nate did a great job dragging his feet across the plate to make sure the run counted.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 19, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After seeing this pic and the clips last night, I’m convinced that Nate’s choices clearly included sliding into home with no contact.
I’m also convinced he went into the catcher as not break up the play, but send a message.
That’s all well and good, but I’d have been pretty pissed if Nate had hurt himself in the play.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 19, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not questioning your experience with sports, only your conclusion.
And was wondering from what position your were presenting your POV in order to better understand.
I can understand why someone who isn’t familiar w/ aggressive sports on a personal level may not “get” why this happened, or why it’s okay.
That is all. If you do have some experience and still disagree with me – that’s fine, too.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think this has anything to do with whether or not someone gets the aggressive side of baseball
I’ve already clearly said if the catcher is blocking the plate, I am absolutely in support of running him over to score if you have to.
I just don’t believe the catcher was blocking the plate or Nate’s ability to score, and I believe what I saw proves it.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but that isn’t far enough off the path to to be out of harms way. Plus he doesn’t move to that point until just before impact.
by dogdays on Aug 19, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't prove it.
He was certainly close enough to the plate to be able to put down a tag, and as such was a threat to the base runner. You can see that the ball is about 3 ft from the catchers glove at this point – Had the ball gotten there .1 second earlier, there would have been a play at the plate and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The base runner can’t make that sort of split second distinction. If the catcher doesn’t want to get plowed (because the catcher, who can see the ball, does know if it’s gonna be close) he needs to be much further off the plate than that. The only reason that catcher was standing where he was is because he thought he had a play on the runner, and as such – he is definitely fair game.
Certainly, the situation is amplified by the incidents earlier in the game – but that is part of sports.
There are written rules in sport and then there are unwritten ones. I don’t see any evidence here to suggest that Nate violated either with this maneuver, and given the previous incidents in the game (which certainly did – throwing at a guys head, etc) it was entirely appropriate.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate's Baserunning Guru
Shane Victorino!
Nate’s just an impact player.
Striking a blow for democracy.
Now back to your raging POV debate already in progress (MEGO)
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trailing runner. If the catcher puts himself in a bad spot you nail him. If the plate’s not being backup properly the runner advances and maybe even scores.
There’s also the fact that the runner shouldn’t be looking to see where the ball is, he should be running face-front to preserve his speed. He takes his play/no-play cue from the catcher and the on-deck hitter or preceding baserunner. The default choice is to plow in as long as the catcher is close enough to the plate to make a sweep-tag unless he gets a signal from his teammate.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 19, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
backup = backed-up
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 19, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see the point to that, at least
In this case, the runner at second didn’t go anywhere on the throw home, probably not sure if it’d be cut off or not. The pitcher did back up the plate on the play as the ball went past as Nate took the catcher out.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter if the runner was passing second and on the way to third when the collision at the plate happens. That’s not the point and the runner going home wouldn’t know it anyway.
What does matter is when the opponent effs up on the fundamentals and you press the point, good things tend to happen. Example: that throw from the cuttoff man actually hits the catcher in the mitt and when Nate clears the decks the ball rolls away. Could be another run.
Watch the video. The baserunner at second passes the bag, then breaks back as the contact is about to happen, then gives a brief start toward third only stopping when he sees the ball’s been backed up. Sound baseball all around on the American side.
The only Chinese player who got it right was the guy backing up the plate. The throw from the cutoff man was a joke from only 75 feet and the catcher was dogmeat standing where we was.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 19, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The catcher needs to get out of the way. He shoud’ve been back up to take the throw, anyway. I caught a lot of close games, and have been run over on several occasions. It’s part of the game. If you don’t like the contact, get out of the baseline. China’s catcher was square in the baselline.
by tyrannoman on Aug 19, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, no - the catcher was in front of the plate by about a step.
I’m sorry, but to say he was square in the baseline is absolutely not true.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I see “enough” of him in the baseline : )
by tyrannoman on Aug 19, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm used to seeing Kurt Suzuki in the spot this catcher was, making...
…a pointless sweep tag behind him as the runner is already sliding by to score.
That’s just not blocking the path.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s one of the judgement calls. If I was catching and standing there, I would expect contact. Like I posted above, though, this catcher may not have enough experience to know where to be in that situation.
by tyrannoman on Aug 19, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From my interpretation of the situation
The catcher was standing there because he was about to catch the ball and thought he had a play.
That 100% = Fair Game.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JESUS CHRIST FELLAS!
Just give it up already. Enough with the back and forth about something as meaningless as a plate collision during a game.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s assure them that their penises are adequate in size and performance and they are perfectly capabale of satisfying women and hopefully that should end the pissing contest.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 19, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who tinkle sitting down tend to lose pissing contests.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 19, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a good thing my self-esteem isn’t dependent upon my urinary configuration.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 19, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
urinary configuration
yes.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 19, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but people who piss sitting down still tend to do pretty well.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think
That the word record for pissing distance is held by a woman.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a standup guy.
Sitting is a no – miss situation.
I never say “No” to a Miss.
– clank –
– splash –
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond the occasional corporate beer-league softball game, no I haven’t. I can’t see how that matters one bit though.
If I had told you I was the starting centerfielder for Pacific when they made it to the College World Series, would that change your opinion of me?!?
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should probably settle this with a home plate collision.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm always game.
The physics formula for linear momentum is (mass) x (velocity), is it not?
’Cause I got a big number for one of those variables. Guess which one!
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
Worth a try!
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit
Can someone post a picture on something real, not photoblockedbucket?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm young, and pretty, and can't possibly be beat.
-Ricky Watters
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 18, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is this guy?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive him, he is new here...
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: One of the few reasons to watch this year.
by sfgreg on Aug 18, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE GREAT FAIRWEATHERFAN WITH WAHMBULANCE.GIF
by xanthan on Aug 18, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol I swear I read this as FAVREWEATHERFAN
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you know that BRETT FARVE ISN’T PLAYING FOR THE PACKERS?!
by xanthan on Aug 18, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT I HAD NOT HEARD THIS
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a Red Sox or Yankee game on ESPN this week? I must know!
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Farverea is pitching for the Yankees.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Packers fan, I must say...
The joke has run it’s course.
Let it go.
52-71
Adopted Giant: Daryl Maday - Just got promoted to CT, and is now sporting a gleaming 8.35 ERA.
by rhys on Aug 18, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a vikings fan
i say you are wrong.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 18, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As another Favre fan
YOU sir, are wrong!
And just a weeeee bit envious that he wasn’t sent in your direction.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 18, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a 49er fan, I’m not sad at all that we missed the Favre sweepstakes. And our QB situation almost assuredly sucks crap.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A happy Jet fan responds to Howie
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Aug 18, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even a little Jealous. Have fun with your Farverah.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOOOOOOOO!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I heard – something was going to happen to Yankee Stadium this year, I can’t quite remember what it was tho’.
by Merope on Aug 18, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMMIT
I might need to change my username now.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like I did
…pretend you’re new
I'm young, and pretty, and can't possibly be beat.
-Ricky Watters
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 18, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would I want to do that?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you pretending to be a douche as well?!? Or is that just you being you?!?
I was throwin some mad Duck love your way, ‘til I found out you’re a fraud.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 18, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Max
Hi
I'm young, and pretty, and can't possibly be beat.
-Ricky Watters
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 18, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mighty Max
I'm young, and pretty, and can't possibly be beat.
-Ricky Watters
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 18, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mad Max?
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 18, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond the blunderdome
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max Headroom
“One , two , three….sleep!”
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Co-STAN-za!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 18, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and according to the box score for that game, schierholtz goes 2/3 with a double, HR, 3 RBI, 2 R
bitte, baby.
by ryanmiles on Aug 18, 2008 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
against a country that started playing organised baseball 5 years ago!
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but word on the street is that their batboys are only 12 years old, not the 16 that’s required.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 18, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
er..check that, no HR.
bitte, baby.
by ryanmiles on Aug 18, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
China had beaned 4 Americans at that point
The NBC commentators were calling what Nate did “bush”—and maybe for the Olympics one doesn’t typically see that kind of play, or breaking up double-plays by crashing into middle infielders—but if they’re going to say what Nate did “merited retaliation” (and they DID say that), then I have no problem with Nate railroading a member of the battery.
Now…anyone care to photoshop Russell Martin’s face on YangYang’s flailing body?
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The games are in China. it would nto be the first time they “hold” a press person for not agreeing with them. Just saying it is all.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 18, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't disagree
but if that were true the Karolyi’s should be on the run, because they’ve been bitching about homerism non-stop when it comes to the scores of the Chinese gymnasts.
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well not all people are the same level of smart, or Brave or what ever trait you wish to name.
Besdies if they want to complain about the way we play the game we invented then they are fair came to complaints about how they manage they legacies as well.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 18, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that was ok since no one can understand what the hell Bela is saying.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was bush?
catcher blocking the plate….is nate supposed to wait till the ball gets there to barrel into him?
so he shoulda slid cuz its a gentlemanly thing to do?
eff that…he did the right thing
gotta love the swagger
by bacci40 on Aug 18, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the commentators, who i think we all agree are idiots, were saying that Nate could’ve safely slid into home. Therefore they assumed that running the catcher over was a deliberate message…and you know what, I hope it was.
Four Americans had been plunked at that point. And that dude just got ran the f$%k over.
“Move bitch, get out the way” – Ludacris
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The catcher was well in front of the plate and the play wasn’t even close. Nate just lit up the cather for the heck of it which I think is awesome.
Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.
by The Thrill on Aug 18, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully not the first time we see this
by TimLincecumIsGod on Aug 18, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
hopefully not the last time we see this
by TimLincecumIsGod on Aug 18, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else see this (or are they my hallucinations exclusively?)
Nate has not only clocked a Dodger but has collected a beachball under his right arm.
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I think about it
Bonds should have played on the Olympic team…
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had the same thought.
Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.
by The Thrill on Aug 18, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been an awesome way for him to shut up some of his detractors when he passed the Olympic drug tests.
by kaliber on Aug 18, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear World,
Hi. We invented this game. Here’s how we play it. Don’t like it? Invent your own game.
Sincerely,
The U.S.of A.
< img src=“http://imageshack.us/eagleflyingaroundallawesomeandshit.jpg” >
by Grant on Aug 18, 2008 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They did invent their own game
It’s called cricket.
I kid. I actually dig cricket and I wish I could go to a country that plays it and observe.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
House of Olympic Games version
…
Sincerely,
The United States of KISS MY ASS
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 18, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The don’t run, they run over people!
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate cold not help himself. A big deep vioce echoed across the filed saying, " Finish him." Nate wants to come home some time as well.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 18, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Image Fail.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on Aug 18, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there is a real image.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THEN WHAT' SAT THAT ULR HOWIE?
Man yoiu’re dum sometimes.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 18, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a clip anywhere? It kinda looks from the clips like the catcher wasn’t blocking the plate, not did he ever have the ball. If that’s the case, Nate might have croassed the line.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the entire game w/o commentary
http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=1313035&channelcode=sportbb
In order to watch, you have to input local cable information (just zipcode/local service provider)
The tackle occurs in the 6th inning.
LaPorta gets nailed at the base of his neck leading off the 7th (granted, it was an 0-2 count…but the Chinese catcher just walks by him like Matt was already a corpse.)
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To see the Schierholtz play, go to ~2:28:45 (if you have headphones, pop them in and turn up the volume to hear Lefebvre unleash some serious F bombs)
For LaPorta, go to 2:45:27
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 18, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“ME AND BRIAN SABEAN ARE LIKE THIS!!!” (shows crossed fingers)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 18, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the skinniest ump I have ever seen
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm skeptical
something just didn’t seem right when they said some guy named “KingofDucks” will be calling balls and strikes
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 19, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol home run celebration at 3:27:25. superrr over the top, and topped off with a home-plate stomp
bitte, baby.
by ryanmiles on Aug 18, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So according to the commentary with that video Nate was hit square in the back earlier in the inning and he was the 4th U.S. batter hit in the game.
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Aug 18, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yang Yang's Homer
he hit a solo shot in the 9th and then showed up our pitcher. Scoreboard, bitch!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Nate's Fault...
that the catcher was in the “Wei”.
Thanks, I’ll be here all night.
Angel Villalona: Rush Fan? Probably.
by AngelintheInfield on Aug 18, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And as he went flying backward, he said “Wee!”
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
Wii.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
by WalrusMan on Aug 18, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TripleA all season my @$$ !!
You think maybe that was a little misplaced aggression on Nate’s part? “Keep me in AAA all season, don’t call me up to the bigs till September. Fine, don’t trade Winn, don’t trade Roberts. Let my talent rot in 3rd rate ball parks … Damn Sabean…” POW !!!
by Merope on Aug 18, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Take THAT random Chinese catcher!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chinese_catcher01
old everquest jokes FTW!
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let my talent rot in 3rd rate ball parks
At best!
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuckin awesome
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My theory:
Nate was getting even for the way the Chinese treated Jack Taschner in Season 5.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont get how Lefebvre can try and argue that
This isnt little league or high school or something. Thats the game.
I also like how after Lefebvre was ejected for arguing, he was ejected again once LaPorta was hit. At first I thought they were ejecting their bench coach. haha.
by kvdp12 on Aug 18, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In reading a little more about this, it sounds like Lefebve was more pissed about the earlier slide where LaPorta took out starting catcher Wei, who got hurt on the play (knee). When the Chinese starting plunking Americans, including LaPorta in the head (diagnosed with a concussion), it sound like Nate was pissed and kinda took matters into his own hands.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this were a 0-0 game this wouldn’t have been nearly as big an issue. It’d still raise eyebrows because Nate definitely laid the man out. But then more people would be calling it “competitive intensity”…than they would “bush.”
Nate’s play actually had something to do with achieving an objective of the game.
LaPorta’s headhunter did not.
Yang’s little league imitation of Joe Carter in the 9th inning when they’re down by 9 did not.
I hope when the WBC comes back that this isn’t forgotten.
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
China vs. USA EPIC BATTLE
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate facts!
USA Basketball almost didn’t beat the Chinese, but at halftime Nate Schierholtz ran Yao Ming the fuck over.
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It probably won't matter in the WBC
China isn’t getting past the pool with Japan and South Korea.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pool?
Michael PhelpsOMFG
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this was mentioned, but it’s on TV right now, CNBC. Nate’s at bat as I type, and this is probably the at bat where he’ll eventually run over the catcher. Can’t wait!
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 18, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate got a good glare in on the pitcher after getting hit.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 18, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got hit by a 70mph curveball. Ouch! Speaking of 70mph…why isn’t Zito on the Olympic team? Is it too late to send him over?
Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.
by The Thrill on Aug 18, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were going to do that, we should have had him catch for China
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wasn’t that the second time he had been hit that game, and the fourth player total? I’d probably look a little pissy too if that were the case.
"I can't describe how excited I am to be a Giant." Music to the ears of this excited parent of Buster Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 18, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that was bad ass
Nate just trucked that catcher!
In all seriousness, they were talking about how the Chinese are so new to baseball that they don’t understand many of the finer details of the game yet (for instance they told a hilarious story about how a pitcher gave up 3 homeuns to left field and they players were wondering why it was the pitcher who was removed from the game and not the LF). I’m thinking the catcher will eventually learn to get the fuck out of the way in a situation like that.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 18, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ummm....but that is a basic
if you dont have the ball, you cannot block the plate
dont tell me the chinese catcher didnt know what he was doing
could nate have just slid? sure
but he played the game the way it is supposed to be played…hard
by bacci40 on Aug 18, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really think that is more basic than knowing it is the pitcher and not the outfielder who is at fault for a homerun?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 18, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have a bit of a hard time believing that story, personally. I don’t know why it would be made up, and maybe it’s not without some truth, but I think it’s at least missing some important bit of context that would make it less glaringly stupid.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 18, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think every chinese person is a trained gymnast
therefore they all believed that the lf shoulda been able to jump and catch those dingers….
but seriously…watch the collision again and look at where the catcher is positioned
nate never leaves the base paths and hits him in the chest
im sure it stung, but it was clean and not meant to injure
by bacci40 on Aug 18, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen the tape yet, but if China is as inexperienced in baseball as they’re made out to be, I’m guessing the dude had no clue. Keep in mind, this was the
backup
catcher, which means he was probably some dude who just missed the cut on the badminton tem. (From the pics above, he certainly doesn’t look like a catcher.)
This might be a time when the “host nation gets to field a team” rule wasn’t a god idea.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was able to hit a HR later in the game
He can’t be that much of a scrub
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 18, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well , if you're an outfielder names Canseco...
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true...
…then they’ve just learned one important detail.
“I can’t keep givin’ you these free lessons!”
The All-Father is now...umm...a Grizzly. But he was a Giant for a while.
by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Lefebvre was a great giant.
“Sept 17, 1980: While taping separate interviews at KNBC-TV studios in Burbank, CA, Giants coach Jim Lefebvre and Lasorda trade punches after a brief argument, bloodying Lasorda’s lip. Lefebvre had been a Dodger coach in 1979 until Lasorda gave him the sack.”
by jcgobruins on Aug 18, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who punched Lasorda is OK in my book.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 18, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My whole opinion has been swayed!
yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!
by satyricrash on Aug 18, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Jim Lefebvre, he hits Lasordas.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 19, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The catcher Gary C’d when he should have Pack Ratted.
by xanthan on Aug 18, 2008 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So Nate Shierholtz almost started World War III? How fitting would that be?
by cheno on Aug 18, 2008 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that would've been awesome
because then the whole world would’ve converted to Lunatic Fringedom…
“if only Brian fucking Sabean would’ve called up Nate Schierholtz, he never would’ve been in China to start Armageddon.
a) HE HAS NOTHING LEFT TO PROVE IN AAA
b) didn’t Nate once play a little third base??…”
by ExcuseMeSwing on Aug 18, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
The first time I looked at it, it looked like Nate’s hit was malicious. Upon further review, it looks like Nate decided he was going to run him over, and he took a step back at the last moment. It made it look as though Nate had all the room in the world to slide.
That is one of the most impressive plate collisions I’ve seen today.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Aug 18, 2008 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is the Chinese catcher trying to get him to say “sorry?”
&
impressive display of vulgarity by lefavre
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Aug 18, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched the video. That collision was not unlike Rose/Fosse. It was sort of funny to watch the two, Nate and Yang, circle each other after they both got up from the play. It was like one wanted to say something to the other, like Nate was all “yeah bitch” and Yang wanted to say something like “do that again MF” but the language barrier tripped them up.
Then I saw LaPorta get hit in the head and I had to close the video. It’s a good thing Yang didn’t get hurt, because he could have. LaPorta could be seriously hurt because of a team that can’t grasp “don’t throw at guys.” And Nate certainly didn’t do anything to help the situation. I made jokes about it upthread. Now I’m just concerned for a guy who might be out of the tournament altogether.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate just knocked 18 gold medals out of China! Now look who’s winning!
If he gets kicked out, that would be sad, but he’d get back here earlier, right?
by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2008 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GET HIM A BODYBAG! YEAH!!
Oh sorry, is that inappropriate??
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on Aug 19, 2008 4:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SMACK DOWN!
Great play by Nate. You drop the hammer on the catcher every single time if he’s dumb enough to stand there and your team has a trailing runner. If the ball gets away from the guy backing up the plate, the trailing runner can move up.
Tremendously bad fundamentals by the catcher.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 19, 2008 6:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never understood the collision at home plate. Why does this ever happen? If the catcher is blocking the baseline, isn’t that interference? Shouldn’t the runner automatically get the base? If the catcher isn’t blocking the baseline, why is the runner allowed to plow into him? Isn’t that the sort of thing that should get you ejected, suspended, and possibly prosecuted?
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The catcher can only stand there if he’s expecting the ball. Meaning he’s expecting it in time to make a play on the runner before the runner touches the plate. That condition being satisfied, it can’t be called interference on the catcher. If on the other hand he’s standing there a good couple of seconds before the ball could possibly arrive… he gets the smackdown because in baseball that’s how we roll.
Even if the runner is knocked out cold by the contact and doesn’t touch the plate, if the catcher was standing there with no play on the ball, the ump should call it interference and award the base (and the run) even if the unconscious runner was “tagged out”. (I believe technically it’s a dead ball following the infraction and it’s immediate consequences.)
The runner can take any direct path to the plate he wants. If he’d run onto the infield grass to make the contact, then he’d have been called out.
In all cases the runner has the right to proceed to the next base without interference from a fielder unless the fielder is making a play on the ball. Likewise the fielder has the right to make a play on the ball without interference from a runner. When these two objectives are in conflict, the guy with the bigger stones wins.
Nate Nate 1 : Ying Ying 0
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 19, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you want the game to be about who has the bigger stones, then everything’s peachy. If you want the game to have a clear and coherent set of rules, then the current situation sucks. If a runner interferes with a fielder making a play — and crashing into him is about as clear and dramatic a case of interference as you can get — he’s out. End of story.
If the fielder isn’t making a play then he needs to get his ass out of the baseline, but giving the runner carte blanche to level him seems like a poor solution to the problem.
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the problem.
It’s perfectly clear and consistent as Giangst explained it. The runner has the right to try to get to the base; the fielder has the right to try to make a play on him. If they’re both within their rights then there’s no interference.
Do you feel the same way about breaking up double plays?
The All-Father is now...umm...a Grizzly. But he was a Giant for a while.
by EliminateMe on Aug 19, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you feel the same way about breaking up double plays?
Or blocking in football?
Sometimes, in sports – two players with differing objectives will physically collide. Typically when this happens, one of them succeeds in his objective while the other is impeded. (and often laid on his ass)
Two grown men cannot occupy the same space at the same time. If the objective of the sport requires that they attempt this feat, someone is going to lose.
And that is fundamentally what sports are about – someone winning and someone losing. Different physical attributes and abilities effect your propensity to win or lose in certain situations. It just so happens that, in a collision at the plate, having big ‘stones’ is to your advantage.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or blocking in football?
Hey, I’ve got an idea…let’s bring another sport that is irrelevant to the current sword party in here!
I heard that Randy Winn once played guard at an NCAA Division I school with Steve Nash. He doesn’t have a cannon of an arm…it’s more of a rifle of an arm really. Because of this, I think he’s got big stones and would probably be better at playing football than baseball.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we’re not talking about football. Apart from the safety issue, I object to the collision at the plate just on aesthetic grounds. There’s nothing else in the game of baseball like it. As someone said the other day about the penalty shootout in soccer, it’s like playing one game for two hours and then deciding who wins by playing a completely different game for five minutes.
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You reject it on astethetic reasons.
And I appreciate it for aesthetic reasons. That is perfectly reasonable on both of our parts.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the reason it does not happen at other bases is that if a runner overruns another base, he can be tagged out. There is often contact at 2B while breaking up double plays, after the runner is forced out.
by tyrannoman on Aug 19, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OR
even an un-grown man (see: Giles, Marcus).
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on Aug 20, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The runner has the right to try to get to the base, yes. In what other aspect of the game does trying to do something encompass inflicting maximum bodily harm on the competition? In a double play at second, the parallel would be for the runner to forget about sliding in hard and just fly at the second baseman with a forearm to the jaw.
The problem is that it’s dangerous. Ray Fosse’s career was severely diminished by a play at the plate. Yadier Molina was carried out in a neck brace earlier this year. Brian McCann is now on the Mike Matheny concussion path. And that’s just among highly compensated professionals. Sooner or later, a high-schooler is going to get a broken neck blocking the plate, and all hell’s going to break loose.
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we just don't agree
Sports is physical. Baseball is less physical than some other sports, but it is still physical.
What are you supposed to do, as the runner, if the catcher is standing there with the ball. Stop and let him tag you ?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us enjoy the physicality in sports
And the home plate collision is one of the few places it happens in baseball.
Just about every other sport has many more situations just like this.
Soccer, Football, Basketball, Hockey, you name it – people physically try to impede each other. Why is it so much worse in Baseball?
Why do you cheer when a pass rusher crushes the QB but cringe when a base runner takes out the catcher?
And don’t say it’s different, because in each sport – it is within the rules. There are plenty of ways a pass rusher could prevent the QB from completing a pass without dog piling him to the ground – but it’s part of the game and we accept that.
So is the home plate collision.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe one of the differences in baseball compared to the other sports is...
…the catcher gets to wear equipment the baserunner doesn’t. Yes, the gear is to primarily protect him when receiving the pitches (or foul tips) but they sure don’t hurt on a collision play.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one here is bemoaning the case of the poor baserunner...
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, almost all injuries at home plate involve the catcher rather than the runner. Protective equipment <<<< being the one who delivers the shot, rather than the one who receives it.
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not within the rules, that’s what I’m saying. The rules are pretty clear about who owns the baseline and what you’re permitted to do. The home-plate collision remains tacitly permitted because (a) it’s traditional, (b) the catcher has all that protective gear on, © there’s a tiny amount of wiggle room at home plate, (d) any play at the plate is high stakes, (e) who knows.
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it is within the rules
Colliding with a fielder holding the ball in an attempt to tag you out is expressly allowed AFAIK.
You do not see it (much) at other bases because it is either a force play (1st) or the runner cannot run through the base, necessitating a slide.
Home is, in other words, a unique situation.
If the 1st baseman stands on top of the bag to catch the ball, you are allowed to take him out. It is neither interference on the fielder or runner to do so.
Baseball tactics have evolved to reflect the rules, which is why you rarely see collisions today.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should add
You are also allowed to run through second on your way to third. If the SS happened to be standing on the base w/ the ball in a non-force situation and you took him out, that would be allowed.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In cases like that, you may see the fielder called for obstruction
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No if
The fielder was making a play on the ball (taking at throw from the outfield) and happened to be standing over too much of the base.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, it's just a good old collision.
and if the ball comes free, runner is safe.
So yeah, point is – it can happen at any base and the same rules apply.
It just rarely happens at any base other than home in the ML (and even then) because of the unlikelihood of the others.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One example of it happening somewhere other than home was when Fernando Vina made the mistake of trying to tag out Albert Belle halfway between 1st and 2nd base. Belle sent little Vina flying out towards the outfield grass.
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Aug 19, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gave a forearm shiver, Belle did. And he got ripped for it.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that, and thought at the time there was nothing wrong with it. If Albert hadn’t thrown balls into the stands, chased tirck or treaters with his car, and other sheannagins, he wouldn’t have been suspended.
by tyrannoman on Aug 20, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you supposed to do, as the runner, if the catcher is standing there with the ball. Stop and let him tag you ?
What are you supposed to do as the runner if you’re trying to second base and the shortstop is waiting there with the ball?
It’s exactly the same situation, isn’t it?
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn't.
You either slide into the base as the ball is arriving (stolen base) or try a takeout slide to disrupt the throw to first (double play).
In fact, if you slide too far outside the basepath you’re called for interference and the double play is automatically awarded.
Home plate is the only place collisions are allowed.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you’re saying here. There’s nothing in the rules about home-plate plays being any different than those at other bases, so the two should theoretically be treated the same.
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but they're treated completely differently because of the situations that occur at those bases.
You’re not allowed to collide with someone at second by charging into them with the upper body. You can only slide to disrupt the double play.
Plays at the plate are usually part of a single, specific play – either scoring or making an out. Whatever the allowances are, they account for a tackle as part of the effort to score if the plate is blocked by someone with the ball.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I belive you are also allowed to take out the 1st baseman if he attempts to block the base.
2nd or 3rd base are different, because you cannot safely run through the base. As such, a collision would be counter productive for the runner.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, could be. You NEVER see collisions at first unless they're accidental.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they’re accidental OR at the hands of Shane Victorino.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, again
There is no reason for the 1st baseman to try to block you off the base because it is always a force play.
You occasionally see collisions resulting from situations where the pitcher or 2nd baseman is covering 1st – in those cases it is typically the result of a race to the bag, and if there is a collision that results in the ball coming free, the runner is safe – the same as home.
The rules are fairly consistent and simple.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that on that play, Victorino went batting helmet first into Connor Jackson’s face (and ended up being awarded first). Jackson had to leave the game and Victorino remained a doucheass.
I don’t believe that Jackson was blocking the base in any significant way. Victorino is just a menace to the game. Mostly I’m just hating on Victorino right here. The guy has no right to play the game with the number of times he’s pulled cheap, dangerous plays out of his ass like it was a big joke.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not familiar with that play
But certainly, there are some players who are overly aggressive.
I do believe that spearing with the batting helmet is expressly disallowed, much like football.
That is something that I would characterize as violent.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, again
There is no reason for the 1st baseman to try to block you off the base because it is always a force play.
You occasionally see collisions resulting from situations where the pitcher or 2nd baseman is covering 1st – in those cases it is typically the result of a race to the bag, and if there is a collision that results in the ball coming free, the runner is safe – the same as home.
The rules are fairly consistent and simple.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because first basemen don't want to get killed (and there is no need to block the base because it is always a force play)
And I have seen a few where the guy covering first got too much in the way.
If the ball pops out as a result – the runner is safe.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. The force play aspect is the major factor.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(And I do speak as someone who has played both first base and catcher)
Pitcher and outfield as well.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played 1st in little league :)
And the first thing they taught me was don’t stand on the bag, or you are gonna get run over.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds about right to me
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wern't we arguing?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only real argument I was making had to do with...
…the positioning of the catcher and whether Nate needed to plow into him or not.
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by Flashfire on Aug 19, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been careful not to comment on this particular play, Evan, because I don’t need the frustration of dealing with people who hold strongly to the belief that being physical in baseball makes being violent in baseball okay (which I can’t comment on in this specific case because I didn’t see the play), but I feel compelled to say that I completely agree with every one of the stances you’ve said thusfar.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
physical != violent
A collision isn’t violent. Hitting someone with a fist or bat is violent.
Collisions happen in all sports, including baseball. It’s not violent by any stretch.
I concur that being violent in baseball is not okay.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the collision can be fairly easily taken to a violent level. A physical collision in baseball is not designed to be a violent act, but it most certainly can be one. Again, I’m not saying that Nate’s slide was or was not. I really don’t know. But I don’t think it’s safe to blanket collisions as being specifically non-violent.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, i don’t know that I buy that distinction. Your point (way upthread) about adrenaline and the competitive instinct is quite true, and in the heat of battle there’s not much difference between the urge to win and the urge to smash.
by Evan on Aug 19, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the heat of battle there’s not much difference between the urge to win and the urge to smash.
I completely agree, and I guess fundamentally (in my mind) sport is an expression of this.
I think this is just going to be a difference in personalities. Ironically, I don’t much enjoy football because it is so violent ;)
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Aug 19, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pansies all around.
Just kidding , put that Schierholtz down before you hurt someone with it.
I consider the current UFC/MMA craze one of the most compelling arguments that we are de – evolving. It’s got to give people who are considering becoming parents pause as they think how they’re gonna spin that to their kids.
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he’d run onto the infield grass to make the contact, then he’d have been called out.
Let’s check with our Man – In – the – Infield Shane Victorino on this. Shane?
Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 19, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New nickname?
NateNate.
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on Aug 20, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no u
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 19, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, everyone but me. I mean, really, all of you have to be crazy if you can’t see all the aliens.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish there was a button to push to just end this bitchfest thread already.
Omar...I'm done with you. Hello Darren Ford! Come to papa.
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 19, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The thread’s getting old. You could recommend a new one and it’ll probably push it off the main page completely.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, you might have to rec 2 or 3 newer ones. This thread’s not as old as I thought.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 19, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of reading all 288 posts
(and I bet there will be plenty more), can someone paraphrase everyone’s opinion on this? lol
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Aug 19, 2008 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some people agreed, while others disagreed.
Like Barry Zito, I'm mildly half-OK.
by EliminateMe on Aug 20, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched the video, finally.
Nate’s takeout slide was totally unnecessary and uncalled for.
The beaning of LaPorta was absolutely horrifying. The guy could’ve been seriously hurt.
Just fucked up all around.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 19, 2008 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I heard that Nate’s going to be on the KNBR morning show tomorrow [ Thursday ] morning. I was driving in heavy traffic and didn’t quite catch the day, but I’m 80% sure they said Thursday.
by Merope on Aug 20, 2008 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Live from China?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 20, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
since he’s not dead, I would assume so.
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 20, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I knew of other Mega 64 fans on this board, because SHU FROM CHINA is only hilarious if you’ve seen the Mega 64 episode.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 20, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a fan and didn’t catch the reference.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 20, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgeball episode has a kid introducing himself as Shu from China. I got that in my head when I asked if Nate would be live from China. Is Nate Shu from China? We may never know!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 20, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, from the DVDs then? I keep saying that I’m going to buy them, but keep forgetting to actually order them.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 20, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 20, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ll have to buy those sometime… ::forgets already::
by chilibean_3 on Aug 20, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mega 64 is AWESOME. I haven’t seen that episode though.
by Natto on Aug 20, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And the Tetris one was just awesome in its simplicity.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 21, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a fan of the MGS ones, but these are some of my favorites. Their latest is good as well. I can’t find Poqueblog anymore, but that was the video I used to hook my friends.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 21, 2008 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that’s what they said. It was during a promo spot so hopefully it will air again, maybe during tonight’s game.
I looked on the Murph and Mac webpage, but they just have lists of past guests, not tentative future ones. I’ve never had any luck emailing KNBR so pffft to that. I guess I’ll go put the radio on.
by Merope on Aug 20, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. I’ll endure the morning show to see if they run the interview.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 20, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bah!
They did the freakin’ interview at 6am! Naturally i woke up at 6:20, just in time to miss the whole thing. I’ll keep an eye on the KNBR website, usually they post the interviews there.
by Merope on Aug 21, 2008 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said something along the lines of...
‘it was a close game at the time, and i had to score. i’m here to win a gold medal, so did what i had to do’
from what i remember, anyway
bitte, baby.
by ryanmiles on Aug 21, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo! I missed it too as I was on the road at 7am.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 21, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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