Cain's performance!
by Mr. Clutch on Aug 15, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
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Finally! Not a no-decision. Not a game where the offense produces it's usual 0.5 runs. Not a game where Cain receives an undeserving loss because of the lack of run support. Not a game where the relievers bring a gas can in from the bullpen and light the mound on fire after Cain works his ass off for 7 innings. Just a pure, solid, win for Matt Cain. How often have we said that about the 23 year old fireballer? not very. It must've been his parents and girlfriend being present at the game, if that's the case, we might as well sign them. Seven innings, six hits, one run, one walk, five strikeouts, and lowering his ERA to an impressive 3.57 en route to his 8th win of the season. However, with the lack of offense, Cain is the piece on the team that needs to be traded in order to acquire a middle of the order power bat that can provide the Giants with a legitimate offensive threat. Since Cain is so young, it could backfire if the Giants were to trade him because his ceiling is so majestic. I guess it would depend on the success of Sanchez, Alderson, Bumgarner, Martinez, English, and other top minor league starters. Not to mention, if Lowry can bounce back from his forearm injury and contribute like he did last year, then Cain is definitely expendable.
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NO TRADING CAIN.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and Lowry is never going to regain his former form. Ever.
I am very confident in saying that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not confident in you saying that.
Cliff Lee.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 15, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee never had crazy, unprecedented arm surgery the way Noah did.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I was as certain about anything as you profess to be about Lowry . But even if I was, I wouldn’t be certain that Noah was done.
by ProspectHound of the Baskervilles on Aug 15, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I’d love to see Noah come back and be his old self… but he was already pretty mediocre last year and now he’s had this crazy arm surgery.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't you seen Rookie of the Year?
Freak injuries make you really good.
Only 852 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 15, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, when you’re like, 12!
Hallelujah, my baby Buster signed! Get that man to short season ball, stat!
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 15, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was mediocre because he was pitching while his arm needed surgery. Those numbers certainly imply it…
by kingofthacove on Aug 15, 2008 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a fair point. Still, I don’t think counting on Lowry at this point would be a very good strategy.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 16, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. counting on him isn’t a good idea.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 16, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Everything I’ve read about compartment syndrome implies that the ramifications of going that long without treatment are pretty severe. Somewhere between irreparable nerve damage and amputation.
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by Bhaakon on Aug 16, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read that as "competent syndrome"
we could use some of that on this team
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by delorean on Aug 16, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah’s been hurt since 2006. The proof is in his numbers and the fact that he made trips to the DL BOTH seasons. I was professing that he should have had Tommy John surgery. I don’t really buy the compartmental problem since they declined to have him get surgery for a long time and never even mentioned he had nerve damage. It just seems really sketchy to me. It sucks because I think Lowry was going to turn into a very good pitcher and he would have been great in the postseason due to his ability to pitch and the fact that he never got rattled on the mound. Kid had great composure. I hope he’s able to come back but I don’t really expect him to.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 16, 2008 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee never had crazy, unprecedented arm surgery the way Noah did.
Since, as you say, Lowry’s situation is unprecedented, I’m more confident saying we have no idea what will happen with Lowry.
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by Goofus on Aug 16, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell No !
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by nvsfg on Aug 15, 2008 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh jesus
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by groug on Aug 15, 2008 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
3rd best performan...*falls asleep*
Only 852 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 15, 2008 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cain > Lowry at any and every point in time
by Natto on Aug 15, 2008 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes- one is a finess southpaw and the other has an arm touched by the gods in his cradle. But the world needs junk ball lefties too…
by ProspectHound of the Baskervilles on Aug 15, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the world needs junk ball lefties too…
Uh…isn’t that why we’ve got the Albatross hanging around?!? Just sayin.
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by PacBellBoozer on Aug 16, 2008 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that one of those things that happen after an epic bender. One so big that the de toxic period lasts several days in itself. Thats my story any ways.
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by daveinexile on Aug 16, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must say
Despite the fact that this post is rehashing the trade Cain angle, I actually enjoyed reading it. I think it was the twist thrown in about two-thirds of the way through the block of text. I didn’t see the “trade Cain” message coming. Kudos on concealing it so well.
Only 852 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 15, 2008 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by S.F. Giangst on Aug 16, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the same thing
i thought he was going to keep praising him and say something like “if he keeps this up he’ll be another Giant in the hall of fame” or somthing
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by Azmanz on Aug 16, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s garbage. The only way we can get rid of him is through a salary dump.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 15, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
He’s a 3rd… nah just kidding
Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???
by jt_7241 on Aug 15, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, though
I still think there is a compelling argument to trading Cain (or Sanchez…or Li…um never mind). But I am not on that side of the fence, so I won’t repeat it.
Only 852 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 15, 2008 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The McCoven loves Cain
I feel that love. I just don’t fully understand it. I guess in part because I have treated myself as an outsider rather than attempting to become part of the group. Living in SoCal has really fucked me up, I think. I don’t even feel like I am part of this group because of where I live.
Anyway, as for Cain, can someone explain it? I once saw mention that it was because he came up from the minors. I guess it could be that since this site really started to grow, he is the first real prospect that has actually lived up to expectations and most of the people have been there all along.
This is a bit different with Timmy who just burst on the scene and no one was really prepared for what would happen.
Another thing I have noticed about these fanposts is that they function like IRC chat rooms. I’d never put that together before but I have been reading back on gameday threads and they read just like IRC conversations, except they are neatly threaded for clarity.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 15, 2008 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d attribute it to Cain being the beginning of this new wave of legit Giants talent. He was the first bright spot after the farm system’s nadir.
Or something. I just got into minor league baseball in 2005. I have little concept of what happened before then.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 15, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and after a bunch of pitching prospects who didn’t pan out (like Estes, Williams, Ainsworth) or were traded (Nathan, Accardo, Liriano), it’s nice to have guys like Lincecum and Cain around to prove it can work.
Besides, he Cainsational!
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by Goofus on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We like Matt Cain because he’s a 23-year old who’s top 5 in strikeouts and really good and the only serious problem with him is his walk rate and that’ll almost certainly improve with time, which would make him into one of the absolute top pitchers in the game.
We like Matt Cain because he can be flat-out dominant.
We like Matt Cain because he’s never had any public attitude problems with his team even though they absolutely refuse to give him runs.
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by groug on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the kids say nowadays...
…“this”.
The All-Father is now...umm...a Grizzly. But he was a Giant for a while.
by EliminateMe on Aug 16, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in short
we like matt cain becaue we’re paying attention
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on Aug 16, 2008 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
err
because
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on Aug 16, 2008 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Groug that he is simply a good baseball player, and the Baron about him being one of the first really interesting home-grown Giants in years, but there are even more sides to this, I think.
There’s sort of a parental “he’s our boy” sentiment. The Bobby Hill references, that photo of him alone at the autograph table, the lack of run support, the SI quote about him liking Chick Flicks, being overshadowed by Lincecum—-I always feel like he’s this sort of lovable Eeyore character that needs our love.
by rotorueter on Aug 15, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You understood what I was saying. The other posts I think missed the point.
I like Cain and think he is a great pitcher who will get even better. I don’t really feel that love that so many of you seem to. I don’t feel like “he’s my boy.” Timmy I latched onto the day he was signed. Cain I have liked since he first came up, but I didn’t pay any attention to him in the minors.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps some of us latch onto the minor leaguers because that’s our true passion.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 15, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if you’re just fucking with me or what, and I don’t have the time or energy to determine.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 15, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax. Rest up for a big day of Many Victories tomorrow.
by rotorueter on Aug 15, 2008 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In more detail, the idea of preferring minor league ball over the majors is so foreign to the way I enjoy the game that I can’t tell if you are joking or not. I could have just put I don’t understand or no comprendo but that does say quite the same thing as not fathom. Or maybe they do and I just like using different words.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 15, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t speak for anyone else on the subject. Part of it is because it’s my job, and part of it is because it’s special to watch a player go from the birth of his pro career to the major leagues. I guess it’s the whole hope springing eternal with every new season. Plus it helps to get me through the bad major league seasons. Following Augusta, Salem-Keizer, and San Jose through division titles and championship seasons is exciting. These guys take it seriously. They play their butts off. Sergio Romo spoke to me about winning the Cal League title in San Jose in 2007. He was very enthusiastic and passionate about it.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But there’s even a partially logical part to this. We honestly think that Cain is an underrated pitcher due to the reasons stated above. Therefore, we don’t want to get rid of him on a sentimental level because we don’t want him to go to people who won’t appreciate him, but we also don’t want to trade him for less than we think he is worth.
by rotorueter on Aug 15, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well I paid a lot of attention to him while he was in the minors and I remember going to the game where he got called up (not his first game) with my friend and noticing he was in the outfield and being like, “HOLY SHIT THAT’S MATT CAIN OMGOMGOMG!” and then I got tickets for his first start. I’m way more overinvested in his starts and seeing him do well than Tim. I think he was the first Giants prospect I really latched onto while he was still in the minors.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and I saw Timmy’s last minor league start.
I see where you are coming from. I want to feel that love, too. I just don’t. It could be in part to my pragmatic approach to losing this year. ;)
by positiveuphemism on Aug 15, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just have no heart.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or it was broken...
I haven’t been the same since last September.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 15, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Vulcan!
His internal organs are…
The All-Father is now...umm...a Grizzly. But he was a Giant for a while.
by EliminateMe on Aug 16, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE LOVE MATT CAIN BECAUSE HE IS AWESOME.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple and to the point
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 15, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain = great blow jobs?
by positiveuphemism on Aug 15, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his footlong yum rockets are unprecedented
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit different?
You say “This is a bit different with Timmy who just burst on the scene and no one was really prepared for what would happen.”
I’m the no one who was really prepared. :)
by sharksrog on Aug 15, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow I skipped the last line til I saw the comments
NO.
Also, it’s really unbelievable that Cain has a losing record over his MLB career. He really has kept a great composure though – at least publicly.
by fwoty oz on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At least publicly
But when he goes home he punches his pillow then falls asleep sobbing. It’s painful to watch via the spycam I had the HVAC guy set up. That’s not creepy, is it?
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by leftymalo on Aug 15, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you’re the one that knocked my cam sideways!!
by fwoty oz on Aug 15, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think OF Tim Lincecum And Matt Cain This Coming Offseason
like Barry Bonds and Matt Williams in the 1996/97 Offseason. I can almost guarantee that is how Brian Sabean is thinking of them. One of them is going to yield a huge major league ready offensive haul. You will all hate it when it happens (like so many hated losing Matt Williams) but over time you will come to realize that it was the right move and had to happen.
by giantsrainman on Aug 15, 2008 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Will they really bring a huge, major league ready offensive haul? Dan Haren last winter got a huge haul, but it wasn’t exactly what I would call major league ready and I think he was more proven last winter than Cain or Lincecum will this winter.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*will be
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Cain (now) vs Haren (then) is close in terms of value
Lincecum is ahead of the two and only not demonstrably so because he’s going year to year rather than under a multi year contract.
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by iamawesomer on Aug 16, 2008 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight is 20/20, but it’s pretty clear now that Matt Williams was an overrated player due to his crappy OBP and rapidly increasing salary.
Since Cain and Lincecum seem to lack any apparent weakness (in fact, Cain is probably underrated due to his W-L record), and are still really cheap, I think we should keep them because we likely won’t get enough return for them.
That being said, everyone has their price, I just don’t see the right price being offered by another team.
by rotorueter on Aug 15, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams was also 31 when we dealt him. I just don’t think its a good analogy.
by rotorueter on Aug 15, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also he was very expensive.
I mean, if he and Barry were on the team, we wouldn’t have been able to sign Jeffrey Hammonds etc etc.
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by groug on Aug 15, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like what you're saying here
If I were GM of the Giants, I would trade ANYONE if I felt it would benefit the team. After all, that would be my job.
But I would certainly feel no pressure to trade Matt Cain or Jonathan Sanchez. For the first time since at LEAST 2006 it appears the Giants could actually put a good starting eight on the field in three or four years, just from what they have in the organization. PLUS, they might have a starting rotation for the ages.
Lots of things would need to go right, of course, but for the first time in over two decades, the raw materials are there.
by sharksrog on Aug 15, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say almost there
We’d pretty much need to run the table with our prospects at this point. Once we get to two or three possibilties at each position I think we will be all right. Remember, we have one real power threat in our entire minor league system.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 15, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Sanchez. He reminds me way too much of a Ted Lilly or Oliver Perez. Great stuff, but I simply don’t think he’s ever going to have the decent command to be anything more than a decent back of the rotation to #3 starter (AT BEST!)
by Hobbes2d on Aug 16, 2008 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big difference
The biggest difference between Lincecum/Cain now and Bonds/Williams back then (aside from the obvious pitchers vs. position players) is that both Barry and Matt had very large contracts, while Tim and Matt are getting relative peanuts.
I truly don’t think Brian Sabean is thinking of the new duo as he thought of the old one.
by sharksrog on Aug 15, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Should Only Mean That Trading One Yields Even More
by giantsrainman on Aug 15, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you be happy with a package like the one the A’s got for Haren? It was a great collection of talent, but not one that was necessarily going to help the A’s right away. I think that’s what you could expect to get if you traded Cain or Lincecum.
And I really don’t think we have the pitching depth to be able to trade either of them away at this point and still be able to contend by 2010-11. Trading them away to fill a hole in the lineup just creates a huge hole in the rotation. Now, if you’re looking very longterm, yeah, that might be the thing to do, but if you want to contend within the next three years, I think you have to hold onto both of them unless you get really blown away by an offer.
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by jponry on Aug 16, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i for one would not. Also, I’m not sure I’d be ok with the bounty (LaPorta) that Cleveland got for sabatthia. We shouldn’t trade cain or lincecum unless we’re getting a mlb ready middle of the order bat like a Braun or a Longoria. Anything short of that and we’re just weakening our greatest strength while moving our weakest point from bad to merely mediocre. I’m not saying that Matt should be completely untouchable but the return should be massive if such a deal should go down. If you’re looking to trade anyone I’d be fine with dirt for a lesser bat.
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by BrianBokake on Aug 16, 2008 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think next season is when we should think about this
The Giants have several kinda/sorta/maybe prospects that they need to see if they can play major league ball. After we know that, then we’ll know where our holes are. Plus, by the end of next season we will know for sure whether Lowry is finished and we’ll have several pitchers making the migration out of the low minors.
Trading Cain, Tim or Sanchez now might necessitate an expensive free agent commitment that eventually ends up blocking a younger cheaper pitcher in the future.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 16, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I truly don’t think Brian Sabean is thinking of the new duo as he thought of the old one.
/ stamped Agreed
Bonds and Matty is not the poper analogy to look for in Giants history. Cepeda and McCovey fits better.
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by daveinexile on Aug 16, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a pooper analogy
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 16, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a moving sentiment. Hopefully if comes out right in the end.
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by daveinexile on Aug 17, 2008 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference though..
is that Williams was coming close to the end of his career or at least his decline where as Matt Cain hasn’t even hit his prime yet.
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by Azmanz on Aug 16, 2008 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt had to be traded due to his salary – not because it was forseen that he would garner a “huge major league ready offensive haul.” I mean who really thought Jeff Kent would blossum like he did?
The idea of trading Matt Cain is ridiculous. He will be one of the top pitchers in the majors. He is only 23 years old. He is younger than many of the pitchers performing in A, AA and AAA. You don’t trade away that kind of young talent – you just don’t.
by APGiantsFan on Aug 17, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I would NEVER trade Cain. I’m still convinced he will end up being better than Lincecum in the long run. Hopefully we can keep both for the next 15 years.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 16, 2008 2:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Basis for this claim?
Cause I’m just not seeing it. Lincecum’s stuff has like Pedro Martinez ceiling imo, I don’t see that from Cain.
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by iamawesomer on Aug 16, 2008 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
counter point
hmm he is younger. has achieved more at a earlier age.
Just saying some in the Tim is Gawd camp forgets in baseball is not Monotheist. There can be several Gawds active at the same time.
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by daveinexile on Aug 16, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just my own personal opinion. Lincecum may have great stuff but it’s not like Pedro. Pedro had and has a wider array of quality pitches, and he had MUCH better command of his pitches. Pedro only had 1 season where he had a WHIP in the 1.2’s and that was as a rookie. I’m not going to count the last 2 seasons where he has barely pitched and been injured and at the end of his career with diminished velocity. In 2000 his WHIP was 0.737!!!! That’s insane!
I just don’t think Cain is the type to play second fiddle. After his first career start instead of talking about the actual game all he wanted to do was go watch video to figure out what to improve on. I also think that in the future Cain will improve his command, since he has shown prolonged stretches the past 2 years where he has barely walked anybody and pitched very well. It’s just a matter of maturing and honing his mechanics.
That’s to say I don’t think Lincecum will be good for a long time, I just think Cain will be more consistently better for the long haul.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 16, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were Vegas
I’d take your money on this bet. :D
I looked at Pedro’s stats and I think that comparatively, Timmy is about where Pedro was after five years in the league. Timmy has done it in two. Of course Pedro was a reliever the first two years.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 16, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO DON'T TRADE CANE
Hes the only GOOD PLAYER we HAVE. trade linsekum, he’ll get HURT sometime.
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