Schulman: Posey deal not done
by Dan from NM on Aug 14, 2008 10:31 PM PDT
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Henry Schulman says the Giants are denying they have a deal done with Buster Posey or that they're talking about $7.5 million. A Pittsburgh newspaper is also reporting that baseball officials deny all aspects of the Posey deal outlined in the Mercury News.
To further confuse matters, Baseball Prospectus says the Giants and Posey are just dotting the i's and such, and the Giants' Web site says team officials are talking privately like he's signed.
What to make of it all? I don't know. I think it's pretty unlikely that the Giants would bring him in for a physical if the deal wasn't close, as they did last week. And I don't think Baggs would report on it if he had any doubts.
I'm a worrier by nature. I think he'll sign, but I'm not certain.
If this goes down to the deadline, it's going to seriously interfere with all the drinking I have planned.
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damn, where is that button? I could’ve used that around 3:30 this afternoon…
by tyrannoman on Aug 14, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
man that is an awefully small panic button. how do you find it it when you need to use it ?
Oh if you need to sueit it then its not panic.
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by daveinexile on Aug 15, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we are talking!
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by daveinexile on Aug 15, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That looks like half of my Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy…has anyone seem the other half?
by tyrannoman on Aug 15, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jump... to conclusions?
He’ll sign. He’s got nothing left to prove in college. Nobody who’s drafted #5 overall goes back just to be #1. And giving him Guillermo Rodriguez’s roster spot is fine with me.
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by Azantor on Aug 14, 2008 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this is just denial as usual, probably. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team go out and confirm that a contract is good when the media scooped the announcement a few days early like a jerk.*
*Not really like a jerk
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by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This doesn’t mean he’s not signed.
The MLB will often force teams to hold off on announcing over slot signings(especially ones that are this high) in order to prevent a ripple effect.
by Nibbler on Aug 14, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't The Cat Already Out Of The Bag?
What would MLB actually be accomplishing in this case?
by giantsrainman on Aug 14, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The MLB can’t stop journalists from writing about rumors they pick up, but they can stop the team from saying anything about it(which would explain the denial by the Giants organization).
by Nibbler on Aug 14, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if isn’t official, it isn’t as easily used as a bargaining chip. The cat is only sort out of the bag. From the viewpoint of negotiations, this is only a believable rumor, but a rumor all the same. Posey was ‘rumored’ to be seeking 12—and it wasn’t believable, but until it is officially confirmed, it can’t truly be used to set the pay scale. It does, however, lay some pressure on a team to pay for a higher price, but the team would have to recognize that, and the player’s agent couldn’t force the point (the point could be forced by the agent if it was official, though).
by haverecords on Aug 14, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wo
is the head or the ass of the cat out of the bag? And is it just looking around, or activley clawing at the arms holding the bag? Hopefully, the cat is clawing the crap out of Selig’s arms right now, and the commish is crying like a baby.
by tyrannoman on Aug 15, 2008 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you could say that Erwin Schrodinger’s cat is out of the bag. And in the bag. At the same time.
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by Lyle on Aug 15, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my understanding is...
You can know if the cat is in the bag, or how quickly he’s leaving the bag, but not both. but I must admit, when i come to quantum physics I am talking out of my butt
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 15, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Natto:
all this talk of catz and you gots nothing?
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 15, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as other have mentioned
Just the normal denials. the reports of the signing are almost certainly true. If Posey and his agent didn’t like the numbers, they’d be noisy about denying the deal—and that they aren’t is the smoking gun.
by haverecords on Aug 14, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean just as they denied Durham was traded?
I’m not worried.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 15, 2008 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FUCK! I hate being sick. It was right the first time. Grrr.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 15, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
For a second I thought to myself “the giants used a double negative in a denial?”
by haverecords on Aug 15, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean: “At the end of the day, we refuse to deny that we haven’t not traded Ray Durham.”
The All-Father is now...umm...a Grizzly. But he was a Giant for a while.
by EliminateMe on Aug 15, 2008 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on! He never didn’t not say that!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 15, 2008 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillaspie deal denied, too
Seems like Schulman sour grapes on getting scooped
by dskjfd on Aug 15, 2008 12:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He should get used to it. Baggs is going to keep smoking him—he knows the game, the players seem to trust him, and he seems to be a good guy.
by haverecords on Aug 15, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol that was totally what I was thinking too.
They always deny deals like this until they actually want to announce them. There’s no way Posey doesn’t sign at this point.
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by jponry on Aug 15, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but now Schulman has scooped Baggs one Posey not being scooped. “How does it feel now that the shoe’s in your other court, Mr Baggardly?”
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by Goofus on Aug 15, 2008 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. I think it’s just a rare case of Schulman and Baggarly having different sources telling them different things.
by Dan from NM on Aug 15, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why the big worry? If the Giants don’t sign Buster Posey, they still have the #5 overall pick next year — which likely would give them two of the top five or six.
As for Buster, if he doesn’t sign, he goes back to college taking the risk that he could become injured or have an off season.
Which party appears to have the greater risk here?
by sharksrog on Aug 15, 2008 1:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and it would have to be a ‘sure’ sign
by haverecords on Aug 15, 2008 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it would cost them a ridiculous amount out of next year’s budget to sign two top six picks. Anyone read that article about Neukom taking over at the website?? All he talked about was building through the minors, and then one day later he’s going to lose his top pick?? Not likely.
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by rxmeister on Aug 15, 2008 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll sign
But if Posey didn’t sign, couldn’t they just allocate that money to next year’s budget (and earn interest in the meantime)?
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by Goofus on Aug 15, 2008 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could earn interest, but if you figure the top bonuses are going up around 20% a year, you’d have to find one well performing investment to just break even.
by tyrannoman on Aug 15, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to play Debbel's Advocate™ here.
If they signed him to a MLB contract it means they need a 40 man roster * slot for him. In the middle of a 20 game stretch were the arms are threatening to come off the staff this could be a sticky point and reason to delay announcing as long as possible.
Never mind a rational being would decide 5 catchers on the 40 man is a bit excessive.
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by daveinexile on Aug 15, 2008 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, but if the Giants’ outrighted G-Rod or Lazer, I don’t think anyone would pick them up.
by tyrannoman on Aug 15, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s assuming the two unsigned guys in front of Posey sign. It could be as low as the 8th pick.
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by groug on Aug 15, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes no sense
If The Orioles are signing the #4 pick Brian Matusz to a ML $3.1M deal and the Marlins signed the #6 pick Kyle Skipworth for $2.3M why then would the Giants sign the #5 pick to a ML $7.5M deal?
by wilriv21 on Aug 15, 2008 5:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because if that’s what it takes to sign Posey, the Giants seem willing to pay him $7.5M?
by xanthan on Aug 15, 2008 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because It Was Only The Dollars That Caused Those Above The Giants To Not Draft Posey
by giantsrainman on Aug 15, 2008 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for the Pirates who drafted Alvarez #2 or the Royals who drafted Hosmer #3. Those teams drafted the guy on their board.
by wilriv21 on Aug 15, 2008 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think because Buster’s peeps are probably using Wieters as a measuring stick rather than the pitchers or high school players drafted around him. $7.5m would be a million or so higher than what Wieters got in the same draft spot last year. Conceivably, it would be for a player who would be ML-ready within a year or so of signing.
Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.
by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 15, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PANIC
I'll add high-tech sound effects...
Bwoooooop! Bwooooop! Bwooooop!
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by Goofus on Aug 15, 2008 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
xanthan
To quote Jack Nicholson’s Batman: Where does he get those wonderful toys?
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
by Lyle on Aug 15, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Nicholson’s Batman?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 15, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if I can’t argue semantics on the internet, what can I do?
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by howtheyscored on Aug 15, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, yeah, sorry: The Joker
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by Lyle on Aug 15, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baggs > Schulman
Schulman’s just reading the press releases.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 15, 2008 7:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
buuuuuurn
Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 15, 2008 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE: Just got off the phone with Bobby Evans, the Giants’ director of player personnel, who is handling the Posey negotiations. He rarely talks on the record about negotiations, but he did this time because he wanted to categorically deny that a deal was done or that $7.5 million was the number being discussed with Posey’s people.
Evans told me negotiations were “ongoing.” I pressed him and another source on whether this was all semantics. In other words, are the Giants using the fact that a potential contract is not signed to say a deal is “not done” even if the two sides have a verbal agreement? No, I was told. Very simply, as of 9:30 this evening, there is no deal. Doesn’t mean there won’t be.
Incidentally, sources tell me that University of San Diego pitcher Brian Matusz, taken one slot ahead of Posey by the Orioles, is about to sign a deal worth less than $7.5 million. What impact that has on the Posey talks, I don’t know.
by KCE on Aug 15, 2008 7:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you have this conversation with Bobby or are you quoting someone else?
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by Goofus on Aug 15, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me and Bobby are tight.
Sorry, it was from Schuman’s blog. I just forgot to post the link.
by KCE on Aug 15, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note
I had a dream last night that Posey hit an opposite field home run at Candlestick. I need to get out.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 15, 2008 8:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baggs to everybody: CALM DA FUCK DOWN, I IZ RIGHT!
Woke up to a flood of emails this morning and just got into Atlanta.
There’s been some confusion over the status of negotiations between the Giants and Buster Posey. I’ve talked to a few people this morning and what’s happening here is a typical spitting contest between agents. Scott Boras wants his guy, No. 2 overall pick Pedro Alvarez, to get the biggest bonus in the draft. CAA and Jeff Berry want their guy, Posey, to land the biggest bonus. Even though Posey went three picks later, he nearly was taken by Tampa Bay first overall and won the Golden Spikes award. So they have a clear vision of his value as the best player in the draft.
Bobby Evans, who is handling negotiations for the Giants, called me last night to insist that a deal hasn’t been reached. He also disputed the $7.5 million figure, though he wouldn’t say if it was too high or too low. All I can say is, I trust that the tips I received were legitimate, and I would be absolutely floored if Posey didn’t become a signed player before tonight’s 9 p.m. PDT deadline.
When there’s more info, I’ll post it.
by superk1ng on Aug 15, 2008 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else care to join me in a fuck-you-very-much-gram to Scott Boras?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 15, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boras will be busy today
he also has Hosmer’s deal to fuck up
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 15, 2008 9:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh god, I read that as “Boras will be busty today” and almost died.
by rotorueter on Aug 15, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still no news?
Pants, I’d like you to meet crap. Crap, meet pants.
What time is the deadline?
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 15, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
9PM local time
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by delorean on Aug 15, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
time for a Baggs Signal
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 15, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
time for an open Posey panic thread?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 15, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ready for panic
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on Aug 15, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
ANY NEWS??? Get the deal done already.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on Aug 15, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll announce it at gametime on the broadcast...
BP will be in the stands in Atlanta wearing his sister’s G’s cap.
Outkast will sing the anthem. G’s will begin a 16 winning streak.
I’ll be drinking Jaeger shot’s.
by bgunn on Aug 15, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright alright alright alright alright alright alright does that star spangled bangled banner yet waive….
Zooperstars, they quack me up!
by Goofus on Aug 15, 2008 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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