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2009 Draft

Sooooo... We're still on pace to finish with the 4th worst record in baseball (behind the Nationals, Mariners, and Padres respectively.) Hooray for that.  But as we from experience know, with shitty records come some small amount of consolation in the form of a good draft pick.  The draft has been especially kind to us the past 2 years.  With our top picks, we got Buster Posey and our beloved Timmy. This year we have a higher pick than we did in either of those drafts.  Our team has a bit of a problem.  Our major league team and farm system lacks truly good hitting prospects, besides AnVil.  Posey and Sandoval could be good hitters, but not 30-40 homer guys.  But besides AnVil, we have nobody that has a strong chance of becoming a huge impact hitter.  We lack somebody on the Evan Longoria, Ryan Braun, or Matt LaPorta level.  We kind of need one of those to anchor our shitty offense.  And those types of prospects are pretty hard to find, but they're much easier to find when we have a really high draft pick.  But next year's draft class doesn't have too many big hitting 1st/3rd basemen.  BruteSentiment posted this a while back with a list of prospects likely to go high in the draft: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/8/4/586586/looking-ahead-to-the-2009#comments  On that list I see only one first baseman, a good SS, and a bunch of pitchers.  The first baseman's power potential is limited, the SS will probably get picked before we can get him, and more pitching is always nice but I don't think more pitching will make us successful again.  I think we'll be great on the pitching front if we just wait for one of Tim Alderson or MadBum.  I don't think we can make the playoffs with our joke of an offense, so I think that needs the most attention.

Now to the point of this post.  Could we get our draft pick from one of the 1st rounders this year that don't sign?  There are several 1st rounders this year that could potentially not sign; Pedro Alvarez if he doesn't get the money and major league contract he wants, Eric Hosmer who seems pretty interested in staying in college, and Justin Smoak if he also doesn't get the money and contract he wants.  Should we use our pick on one of them if they don't sign?  They'd all be pretty expensive, as I'm pretty sure they're all Boras clients.  I'd guess the Nats would take Strasburg if they had the 1st pick.  I'm not sure who the M's or Pads would draft, but I'm reasonably sure the Pads are set with Adrian Gonzalez at 1st and Kouzmanoff at 3rd.  They also have Chase Headley for 3B if that doesn't work.  So if Hosmer or Smoak, or perhaps Alvarez are available in the next draft, should we shell out major money and pick one of them?

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They Probably Wont be Avaialbe.

I would be very surprised if any of those guys didnt sign by tomorrow.

For what its worth, give me some Grant Greene and I’ll be the happiest guy around.

Cain is Able ...

by Norcalfan10 on Aug 14, 2008 3:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you on both points

by haverecords on Aug 14, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

FWIW, Hosmer is not in college so he probably wouldn’t be available next year anyway but who wouldn’t love to draft Pedro Alvarez in 09. For the time being I’m rooting for Strasburg or Greene as my backup.

by slcgiant on Aug 14, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grant Greene?

Why? You don’t have enough idle moments in your life?

Disfrute Los Gigantes every day at www.leftymalo.com

by leftymalo on Aug 14, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn. I was thinking he was in “Dances With Wolves”

by tyrannoman on Aug 14, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

green

works for me. saw him play a few times for Canyon High. And a SS prospect who can acutally hit might be a nice change.

by sam23 on Aug 15, 2008 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitching and speed FTW. Power is severely overrated.

by Rusty the Robot on Aug 14, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, I thought you said underrated and I was about to rip you a new one.

Carry on.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the only top 10 picks that have any chance of not signing are Hosmer (slight chance) and Aaron Crow (reasonable chance). Hosmer is a High School player so I’m not sure what you mean about him being interested in staying in college. If he doesn’t sign he won’t be draft eligible until 2011.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that is just a negotiating ploy

but supposedly the Nationals are completely unwilling to pay over slot (which makes Crow a very sensible pick right?) and Crow is completely unwilling to sign for slot, so this one could fall through. I think that might actually be good for the Giants.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is a draft thread, but the issues listed above is all the more reason to make a run at Texiera.

Zooperstars, they quack me up!

by Goofus on Aug 14, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Texiera will accept a west coasts team’s bid, even if it is crazy Zito money? Everything I’ve read seems to indicate that the guy does not want to play out here if he has a choice.

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 14, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you throw enough money at him, he won’t have a choice. Boris will steer him towards the biggest payoff.

by tyrannoman on Aug 14, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a pretty grim assessment. I kind of feel sorry for your version of Teixiera: no opinions of his own, extremely greedy, easily influenced by his agent Boras….

From what I’ve read, the teams capable of throwing stupid money/years at him are the Yankees ($86m coming off the books), the Mets and the Orioles, and he prefers the east coast. I personally hope the Giants refrain from throwing stupid money/years at Tex, who I think is slightly overrated. He’ll be declining by the time this team contends.

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 14, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on whether you think a 31-33 1B is worth $20 mil a year to put up good not great numbers.

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 15, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Major League Contract?

It’s been talked about all day with Posey signing and getting a major league contract or did i misunderstand that, but what exactly does getting a major league contract mean? Does it mean he’s on the 40 man and thats or what?

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Aug 14, 2008 4:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe it means has to be on the 40 man roster and in the majors within 4 years. (At least, that’s what it meant with Rick Porcello. I recall Tigers fans being unworried about the money and roster spot, but really stressed about the team being screwed if Porcello hit a development snag and they called him up anyway to fulfill the contract.)

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 14, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adding, found this from the BBTF archives re: Porcello:

“A MLB contract puts you on the 40 man roster. This does not start your service time. Being on the active roster starts your service clock. Arbitration is determined only on your service time, as is free agency. But if you are on the 40 man roster you must be optioned to the minors if you are not going to be on the active roster. So players with MLB contracts get their option years started right away, as opposed to other draftees whose option years do not begin until a team places them on the 40 man roster (has to be within four years otherwise they are exposed to the Rule 5 Draft). After three option years, a player must be exposed to waivers to be sent to the minors.”

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 14, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

Pac Bell, SBC, AT&T, 2010=???

by jt_7241 on Aug 14, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it matters to the Padres if they’re ‘set’ at 1B and 3B for the immediate future – if the best player available is a 1B or 3B and they pass, they are insane or insanely cheap. Their farm system is thin at all positions – the last thing they need to start doing is drafting for ‘need’. Having too many good 1Bs and 3Bs is not a problem they need to worry about.

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Aug 14, 2008 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Giants Maginc Number now stands at 13. That’s how many wins they need to avoid 100 losses.

My money is going on the under.

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Aug 14, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crow isn’t going to sign, and it sounds possible Yonder Alonzo won’t either. That adds two quality prospects to the fold for 09. And while Hosmer is a prep player, if he doesn’t sign it’s not impossible that he could sign with an Independent League team too. He would be able to be drafted again next year and could get his $. There is a precedent with Matt Harrington doing the same but he ended up getting hurt and not signing the following year either because he thought he was like the greatest pitcher ever or something.

As for Strasburg, if the Nats won’t go over slot to get Crow, what makes anybody think they would go over for Strasburg? This situation with Crow has “take a safe, signability pick” written all over it for next year with the Nats. It’s entirely possible the Mariners would take him though as they have some deep pockets and might not want to have another pass on awesome pitcher like they did with Lincecum. San Diego I don’t think would take Strasburg either, despite the fact that he’s local. They’ve been pretty cheap over the years in the draft. I’m still holding out hope that we can get him somehow. Having Strasburg, Timmah and Cain would make me very thrilled to say the least.

by Hobbes2d on Aug 14, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am certain that any and all of those teams would take Strasburg and pay him whatever it takes. These days with the great financial state all of baseball is in, there are no truly poor teams anymore. Any case of a player not signing is due to a team trying to hold to some stupid limit (like slot) or a player over-valuing himself, not due to an actual inability to pay the kid. I think Strasburg is such a huge prospect that he is going to become a high profile sort of a phenomenon next year so no team will really be able to pass on him. Our only hope to get him is to keep losing

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that’s the thing, these teams ahead of the Giants have proven to be cheap in the past by not going over slot. It’s not that they can’t pay these guys, it’s that they’re unwilling to. It’s possible one of them would pay him, but given recent history it’s not really a good bet that they would.

by Hobbes2d on Aug 14, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Strasburg is the kind of prospect you would overpay to get, for any team

by CB30 on Aug 14, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Nats and Padres have a proven record of being cheap and safe on the draft, and though might change at any time, there is a good chance they keep being cheap.

The Alonso situation is ugly. I suspect Crowe still could be signed, though—if the nationals throw either the mlb contract OR a bonus a 500k over slot, it probably would be enough). If what Alonso is saying is truly what he thinks—and it really might be—he’s crazy.

by haverecords on Aug 15, 2008 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't draft for need

guys usually don’t make an impact within a year or two an a lot can change at the big league level in that time.

What I want is for the Giants to get the best player in the draft that they can get, whether it is a power hitting corner infielder/outfielder, a speedy shortstop or a dominant power pitcher. What I don’t want is a “signability” pick, which based on the 2008 draft, I don’t think the Giants would do.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 14, 2008 6:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good teams draft for need

the giants arent a good team

by CB30 on Aug 14, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad teams draft for need, too. They just kind of need everything.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 15, 2008 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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