Rowand hurt; Why is he even playing so much?
by chacabuco on Aug 14, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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PrintLet's see, we signed a center fielder to a long term (overpriced) contract who was injured earlier in the season and has the second most ABs on the team. Here's a thought: Rowand is obviously going to be on the team next year and you know what you're going to get from him, why not give him some more days off so he doesn't get... uh-oh! Too late. He left today's game with a sore back.
Why anyone on this team who is not a rookie tearing the cover off the ball should get 500+ ABs this year is beyond me. Molina? Rowen? Rest them. Frequently. Winn? If you plan to keep him, rest him. I'm not saying don't play these guys. I'm saying give them a game off per series, at least. We have plenty of guys on the team who we are either evaluating or trying to trade, so let's see what they can do.
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AND THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I get the feeling
the Giants want Rowand to lead by example, show the new kids the attitude, commitment, blah blah blah that they should have/display to play in the bigs. Sooo he ALWAYS plays.
Maybe he should take some time on the DL with his back spasm [or whatever it is] and show the kids how a gamer does rehab.
Who would you rather play in CF? Fred Lewis? I know all the SABR-ites don’t like this part, but it is important to have older players who will show the kids how to play and succeed in the bigs. Rowand is that kind of guy.
Besides, he’ll have all offseason to heal up. It’s not like the Giants’ are going deep into October, or anything.
Don’t we have like 45 center fielders on the team?
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Well...
3/4 outfielders we have on the team can play center. Winn, Rowand, Roberts. Lewis I’d say keep to a corner and Velez as a fill in keep to the corners as well.
Truly, the decision is likely between playing Roberts or Rowand in Center, or playing Velez at a corner and moving Winn to center. We really don’t have that many options.
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How is my adopted son almost twice as old as I am? Nevermind...Go Omar! Warm the Bench!
When Rowand got hurt yesterday, Lewis played center with Winn and Roberts in the corner outfield spots.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
I know all the SABR-ites don’t like this part, but it is important to have older players who will show the kids how to play and succeed in the bigs.
Someone should really let Tampa Bay know this so that they can just pack it in this year. In the offseason they can get some vets, and then next year make a splash.
Is there some different path to success in the majors than in the minors? I realize that the competition is tougher, but it’s still the same game. The things that are good in the minors are good in the majors.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
This Is Exactly Why Tamba Bay Went Out And Got
Floyd, Hinske, Percival, Wheeler, and company. Try knowing what you are talking about!
by giantsrainman on Aug 14, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Tampa Bay picked those guys specifically because they are old. I could be wrong, but I imagine it was a combination of their effectiveness and relative low cost.
True, You Can't Lead Without Laso Perfoming
But if you look it up you will see that adding veteran leadership to the mix had alot to do with aquiring all four.
by giantsrainman on Aug 14, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure there are throw-away quotes and cliches from the day they were signed. That proves everything.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Read The Press Releases And Articles Written When They Were Aquired
It is my recolection of these that i am basing this on.
by giantsrainman on Aug 14, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not really sure
what Eric Hinske has to teach Evan Longoria about anything.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 14, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
actually
he did. dude’s also sportin a 124 OPS+ this year.
impressive.
not as impressive as Evan Longoria’s 135.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Aug 14, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Floyd – 19 postseason AB
Hinske – 2 postseason AB
Wheeler – 17 postseason IP
Percival – 9.2 postseason IP
Thank god these guys showed up and made the kids winners.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
It Is Chasing The Post Season Experience That I am Most Refering To.
by giantsrainman on Aug 14, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously they haven’t been very successful at it.
by kingofthacove on Aug 15, 2008 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Percival Won A World Series
But I understand why you forgot.
by giantsrainman on Aug 15, 2008 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions
baseball is baseball, but playing in MLB is a lot different from the minors. There are about a million pressures on players that they don’t encounter in the minors. Folks begging for your time, for both good reasons and bad. Cliff Floyd was cheap, but he is the kind of guy who can help young players navigate these waters. Hell, Matt Cain was practically adopted by Matt Morris and Cain has said several times Morris helped him grow into a big leaguer. I’m not saying that being a vet is any substitute for talent, it’s not. But that does not change the fact thay older players do help teams.
There are about a million pressures on players that they don’t encounter in the minors. Folks begging for your time, for both good reasons and bad.
This is dealt with by the teams, not the players. The teams make young guys take classes/seminars/what have you’s that prepare players for this stuff.
Cliff Floyd was cheap, but he is the kind of guy who can help young players navigate these waters. Hell, Matt Cain was practically adopted by Matt Morris and Cain has said several times Morris helped him grow into a big leaguer.
Any proof of this? Besides a reporter asking Cain if Morris helped him out and Cain replying yes? Even if Cain thinks Morris helped him out, it doesn’t mean he actually did (not in the sense that Morris didn’t try to help, just that he might not really have been a help). These are all just cliches and talking points that get rehashed over and over and there is no proof that there is any actual substance.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
with all due respect, cliches become cliches because they have kernels of truth. The teams do deal with a lot of the requests, but the players have to as well. Through their agents, their family, and their friends. (Not to mention which slump buster to pick after a rough patch).
I have no idea what proof I could possibly come up with other than Matt Cain saying, on several occasions, that Morris was a huge help to him. What reason does he hae to lie? Why would Matt Cain go out of his way to bow down to Matt Morris?
BTW, if you think a 19 year old will sit in a siminar and listen to what MLB has to tell him and really absorb it, you are naive. I’ve been 19, and I didn’t listen to anyone who I didn’t know and like. Luckily, I had a few older friends to help me through the rough patches I encountered, and I was a broke kid. I didn’t have $100K in my pocket, and cameras on me wherever I go.
>with all due respect, cliches become cliches because they have kernels of truth.
I find that sometimes they become cliches because people just keep saying them all the time. Not saying that’s what this case is, I’m just not a big fan of the “cliches/stereotypes/etc. have to have some truth to them to exist” thing. A lot of them do end up having some truth in practice, but it’s hardly a catch all rule. Some cliches and stereotypes exist simply because of mass moronicism.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I point my carrot the wrong way? No… that can’t be it….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
A majority of conventional wisdom originates from parrots.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 15, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I recall several times that Cain praised Morris for helping him
Now you can doubt that Cain got any help from Morris, but as tyrannoman noted, Cain:
1) had no reason to kiss up to Morris in public
2) had no reason to lie
3) said something to that effect multiple times
I understand the cynicism about media quotes like this, but Cain said this multiple times, on various topics. True, he might have been led by the reporter, but there’s no reason for him to expound on it, he did not give simple "yes’ type of answers, he gave examples, like throwing more strikes, helping him with mental aspects, giving him tips on being a major leaguer.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 15, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
1) had no reason to kiss up to Morris in public
Of course there is a reason, if he says Morris didn’t help him, how does that make him look to teammates, fans, and the FO? Also, I’m not disputing the fact that Morris tried to help and Cain thinks he did help.
2) had no reason to lie
I said it above, and I’ll say it again. Even if Cain thinks Morris helped him out, it doesn’t mean he actually did (not in the sense that Morris didn’t try to help, just that he might not really have been a help). A lot of guys think stepping on the lines is bad luck. That doesn’t mean it’s true.
3) said something to that effect multiple times
Well, if he got asked the question a bunch of times, see the answer to 1).
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
are you not familiar with ALL OUT ALL SEASON?
it’s not ALL OUT MOST OF THE SEASON
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions
MOSTLY OUT ALMOST ALL OF THE SEASON
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 14, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Two words, dude/dudette: Stretch. Drive.
I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."
Rowand should be playing because he is the only Giant with a remote chance of hitting 15 home runs. There, I said it. We suck at hitting the ball. Warning track power up and down. Our hitters are a bunch of punchin’ Judies.
by Rusty the Robot on Aug 14, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
Overpriced?
Rowand’s OPS is .793 and his OPS+ is 108, slightly above average.
His contract is slightly above average for the average free agent CF, like Pierre, Matthews Jr., etc.
He also plays great defense, and as much as it is mocked here, he does provide a good example to the younger players plus, he appears to be a people person, setting up dinners, other events that helps the team bond together, which I think is important for a team to do, to maximize their potential.
How is that overpriced?
Given his injury, however, I would hope that he takes a few days off in the next week. However, we don’t have many OF on the roster currently, we may have a million CF in the minors, but I wouldn’t want Lewis and his bunion in CF, that could put him into surgery promptly, and I would hate to put Roberts in CF, he really should play LF, leaving Winn to play CF, Lewis maybe RF (again, testing the bunion), Roberts LF. Too bad Bowker just got sent down, he could have played RF, shifting Winn to CF, leaving Lewis in LF.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 15, 2008 8:53 AM PDT reply actions
Remember when
Rowand was hitting .330. That was cool. At least we didn’t waste a good Rowand year with this supporting cast.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
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