Post Your Giants Top-10 Prospect List
With the addition of Posey, Crawford, Kieschnick, and some other draftees that have just been signed, I thought it would be a fun debate to try and rank the top-10 prospects for the Giants farm system. In years past, this would have been a painful activity, but things are looking better now down on the farm.
Here's my list with small blurbs on each player.
1. LHP Madison Bumgarner - Has dominated A-ball in Augusta. Plus velocity from the left-side, pinpoint control, and a developing slurvy breaking pitch. One of the best pitching prospects in baseball.
2. C Buster Posey - Everyone knows what he did in his junior year at Florida State; he hit: (.463/.566/.879) with 26 HR’s. A Golden Spikes winner, Posey is very athletic and entered college as a shortstop. Some question how well his power will translate — most see him as more of a 10-15 HR guy than 20+ HR guy — to the majors, but he’s one of the “safest” picks in the ‘08 draft in terms of reaching a sustainable ceiling.
3. RHP Tim Alderson - Tim 2.0 has responded extremely well to the challenge the Giants set forth to him; skipping a high school draftee straight to the California League is something you don’t often see. Watching him survive a hitters league and flourish is also out of the ordinary. But, the Giants were very impressed with the polish that Alderson had coming out of high school. He leads the Cal League in FIP at the age of 19 and is third in K%.
4. 1B Angel Villalona - Lots of power and still very, very young. He just turned 18 and has been competing for most of the year as a 17-year-old in the South Atlantic League where the average age of the competition is 21-years-old. He’s striking out a good bit, K% of 24.8, but scouts still love where he’s at in his development. Leads the Greenjackets in HR’s.
5. 1B/C Pablo Sandoval - Out of any Giants prospect, Pablo may have taken the biggest step forward this year. He carried his power surge from San Jose in ‘07 over into this year, posting ISOP’s of .200 or greater across two levels of A and AA baseball. He’s a switch-hitter and can handle both 1B and catching duties. For a system that’s lacked hitters near the upper-levels, Pablo has been a diamond in the rough. He should make his debut tonight against the Astros.
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie - Currently in the AZL, Gillaspie profiles as a solid contact hitting 3B. He probably won’t develop much power but he should hit and hit a lot of doubles. The Giants have had talks about moving him to 2B, but the system is thinner at 3B, so he’ll probably get every chance to play himself out of that position.
7. 2B Nick Noonan - I’m not thrilled with Noonan’s microscopic walk rate, his BB% is currently at 3.7%, but it’s his first full-season of pro-ball outside of high school, so he gets a little slack. He would benefit from cutting his K’s down, his K% is currently at 18.4%, but he still profiles as a 2B that can hit a little and run a little. There are a couple of things I don’t like about Noonan, but I can chalk it up to “he’s still young” for now.
8. RHP Henry Sosa - Sosa has battled some injury problems this year, his season was delayed from knee surgery but when he’s right the tall lanky pitcher works in the mid-90’s and has a plus curveball. His K% is strong at 24% and I still love his arm. I think he’s a prospect that you can’t really judge by his performance this year but by the overall package.
9. OF Wendell Fairley - Fairley might have the highest ceiling of any Giants prospect currently in the farm system. His start was delayed this year because of some health issues but he’s finally getting regular playing time in the AZL. His batting line of: ( .241/.371/.324) isn’t dominating, but he’s getting playing time to develop and that’s the most important thing.
10. OF Rafael Rodriguez - An international signing from this year, Rodriguez became the highest paid international talent that the Giants have ever signed. The 16-year-old inked a deal for $2.55M, surpassing the $2.1M that Villalona got in ‘06. The reports on him are vague, he’s got great raw power, but his hitting mechanics need work. He should be a strong fielder in a corner OF spot, sporting a strong throwing arm and good speed to cover ground. He’s had comparisons to Dave Winfield and Vlad, which both should be taken with grains ‘o salt. The Giants hope that Rodriguez can see a little time in the AZL this year and he’ll start ‘09 as his first full pro-season.
Just missed: Nate Schierholtz, Roger Kieschnick, Brandon Crawford, Jesse English, Travis Ishikawa, Kevin Pucetas, Ben Snyder, Clayton Tanner, and Joe Martinez.
After I did my list, I think I might have ranked Nate too low, he didn't make the top-10. So, you could swap him out with Noonan if you wanted and I wouldn't have a problem with that.
So, let's hear it, who's on your list. Is Posey #1 now? Mabe Bumgarner or Alderson? I'm interested to see your guys lists.
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Good list. I think I would put Schierholtz at 10 instead of Rodriguez. I really like where our minors system is going.
We have a good mix of high ceiling talent with guys like Fairley, Neal, Villalona, Rodriguez, Kieschnick, and McBryde along with some more steady guys like Nate, Gillaspie, Posey, Copeland, of whom you kind of know what your getting.
And then of course all of the pitchers. I think Aaron King will be a good one.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 14, 2008 1:15 PM PDT 0 recs
What about Jesse English?
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by Mordy From Monsey on
Aug 15, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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my ten cents
1. Madison Bumgarner
2. Tim Alderson
3. Buster Posey
4. Angel Villalona
5. Henry Sosa
6. Pablo Sandoval
7. Connor Gillaspie
8. Nick Noonan
9. Nate Schierholtz
10. Kevin Pucetas
I can certainly see the case for putting Alderson over Bumgarner (more polished, more projectable, etc.) but my God a 6’4" lefty that throws in the 90s and has a K/BB ratio of 133/18, it’s hard not to jump up and down over that… in the case of both Sosa and Sandoval I tried (maybe too hard) not over-react to what happened this season, let’s hope Sosa bounces back with a healthy year next year… I love the scouting reports on Noonan that talk about how advanced and polished he is, and hitting .284 in your first full season is very respectable, I am a believer that the walks will come eventually…I think Nate is a AAAA player, but being able to contribute in MLB today has some value in terms of prospect ranking…Pucetas doesn’t have very impressive stuff, but can a guy who leads all of MiLB in ERA one year and follows that up with a 10-0 2.74 ERA year in the Cal League really be a complete fluke?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2008 1:16 PM PDT 0 recs
Pucetas isn’t a fluke at all. He throws strikes, seems to have average stuff, which isn’t bad at all if you have command. And he can get ground balls. The only thing that worries me about him is that he has gotten nicked up a few times and missed some starts.
by Hobbes2d on
Aug 14, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
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Mine’s pretty much the same as yours except I’d switch AnVil and TimA.
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by jponry on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM PDT 0 recs
I thought you wrote Avril instead of AnVil, at first. And I was wondering how her bat played, for a second.
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by thehavenot on
Aug 14, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
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1. MadBum
2. Buster “Girl’s Name” Posey
3. AnVil
4. Tim “No Good Nickname” Alderson
5. Pablo Sandoval
6. Conor Gillaspie
7. Henry Sosa
8. Nate Schierholtz
9. RafRod (would be higher if he’d played yet. I really have no idea what to expect from him.)
10. Nick Noonan
by boonitez on Aug 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT 0 recs
Fail
That nickname is already taken by Freddie “Parker” Lewis
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by hairball on
Aug 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
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Buster “Highman” Posey
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on
Aug 14, 2008 5:13 PM PDT
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Love seeing my boy up there
but am hoping we can devise a better nickname before he gets here. Luckily we have some time.
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on
Aug 14, 2008 6:52 PM PDT
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much better already
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on
Aug 16, 2008 1:59 AM PDT
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and win
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 14, 2008 9:24 PM PDT
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WALKS!!
I love walks!
I wish he was showing even a bit of power though.
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by jponry on
Aug 14, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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his OBP's great
the hitting part’s not going so great, though. Not to say it won’t develop, but he hasn’t been showing as much promise as the people in everyone’s top 10’s.
by boonitez on
Aug 14, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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He’s been raising his average. He started off really slow but it’s getting up there.
by Hobbes2d on
Aug 14, 2008 1:47 PM PDT
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Sundrendy Winster
Already more valuable than Zito
by NearestNorwich on Aug 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT 0 recs
I was trying to think of a Zooperstars version of his name, and nothing ends up being funnier than the original.
by rotorueter on
Aug 14, 2008 3:02 PM PDT
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wouldn’t have to be something as vanillia as Joe Smith?
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by daveinexile on
Aug 16, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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Mine
1. C Buster Posey
2. LHP Madison Bumgarner
3. 1B Angel Villalona
4. RHP Tim Alderson
5. C Pablo Sandoval
6. 3B Conor Gillaspie
7. RHP Henry Sosa
8. CF Wendell Fairley
9. OF Rafael Rodriguez
10. 2B Travis Denker
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Aug 14, 2008 2:01 PM PDT 0 recs
Denker in the top 10. Why?
Castillo got the DFA. Guestimate for Castillo DFA to come before the 2009 season = 2.
by kennv on
Aug 16, 2008 3:48 PM PDT
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somebody asked this of Keith Law is his ESPN.com chat today
only top 5, not top 10, but this is what he said:
George (Oakland): Where do you rank the Giants farm system? Who would you rank as their top 5 prospects?
Keith Law: Top 5 overall. Top prospects … Alderson, Villalona, Bumgarner, Gillaspie, Sosa. Posey slides in at the top when he signs.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2008 2:06 PM PDT 0 recs
Interesting if that’s in order… with Alderson and Villalona ahead of Bumgarner.
Then again, it’s kind of like choosing between pie, cake and delicious parfait, I guess.
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by jponry on
Aug 14, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
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Pie, cake, parfait, mousse, and the best chocolate chip cookies you’ve ever tasted. The soft gooey kind.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
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Well it makes sense to me. I think people here kind of undervalue Tim 2.0. Myself included. He was the most polished HS pitcher coming out. His ceiling isn’t considered as good as some others in his class, but he still has some projection on him. And he’s done outstanding at high A at 19.
Bumgarner has dominated the Sally League, but LHP who throw in the mid 90s really should be dominating in a league of that caliber. If he had more solid secondary pitches than I think he would be ranked higher by some. But like you said its like comparing all sorts of delicious desserts and which is better.
by Hobbes2d on
Aug 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
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he has continually said he likes Alderson better (he has also said he thinks both are potential #1s). I think, and please correct me if I’m wrong, that Jim Callis has also said he likes Alderson better.
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Aug 14, 2008 2:19 PM PDT
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I think Callis actually has Bumgarner higher. I could be confusing him with Ben Balder though, who reports on Bumgarner pretty frequently for BA.
Law is not a fan of Crawford though haha.
by Hobbes2d on
Aug 14, 2008 2:21 PM PDT
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Let’s hope they make Tyger Cobb soon.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 14, 2008 5:56 PM PDT
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1. Posey
2. Villalona
3. Alderson
4. Bumgarner
5. Sosa
6. Sandoval
7. Rodriguez
8. Noonan
9. Gillaspie
10. Fairley
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by tedfordfan on Aug 14, 2008 2:17 PM PDT 0 recs
#11
is, of course, Hector Sanchez.
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
by tedfordfan on
Aug 14, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
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Who are the Level “A” prospects?
Who are the Level “B” prospects?
by wilriv21 on Aug 14, 2008 2:18 PM PDT 0 recs
A = Posey, Villalona, Alderson, Bumgarner
B = Sosa (borderline A), Sandoval, Rodriguez, Noonan, Gillaspie, Fairley
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by tedfordfan on
Aug 14, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
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I agree with your categorizations, and I think you can go well beyond those 10 with solid B prospects (Pucetas, Ben Snyder, Keischnick, Rohlinger, etc.) which is something you would not have been able to say about the Giants farm system a couple of years ago. You would probably be reaching into C level guys by the time you got to the end of a top 10 list
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Aug 14, 2008 2:27 PM PDT
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He's worse than that Matt Cain guy.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.
by Woody Wins on
Aug 15, 2008 6:51 AM PDT
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True
And you could add Tanner, Schierholtz, Kieschnick, Crawford, Ishikawa (possibly), Pucetas (possibly) and possibly others as well. Just kept it within the top-10.
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by tedfordfan on
Aug 14, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
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THANK YOU!
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Aug 14, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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I agree. I want to see a tier system rather than just straight up list. I think I might actually participate in that one.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Aug 14, 2008 2:39 PM PDT
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that’s a good idea.
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Aug 14, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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I’m far more a major league guy than a minor league guy, but I’ve been trying to educate myself, so I’ll share the list I came up with recently:
1) Madison Bumgarner
2) Buster Posey
3) Angel Villalona
4) Tim Alderson
5) Pablo Sandoval
6) Nick Noonan
7) Conor Gillaspie
8) Rafael Rodriguez
9) Wendell Fairley
10) Henry Sosa
Pretty similar to everyone else’s. I left off Schierholtz because I’m pretty sure he’ll get a September callup, and if so, he only needs a small number of ABs to no longer qualify as a rookie.
I tried bringing it up to 20, but that got a little over my head, I’m afraid. It would’ve included Ishikawa, Kieschnick, and Crawford, though.
by jcb9 on Aug 14, 2008 2:27 PM PDT 0 recs
Actually, it seems like everyone has pretty much the same 10 guys – just slight variations in the order.
by jcb9 on Aug 14, 2008 2:29 PM PDT 0 recs
Pretty much, there really can’t be too big a disparity on our top guys since they all stand out so well due to their upsides.
by Hobbes2d on
Aug 14, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
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RaRod and Fairley?? Nah.
1. Tim Alderson (no doubt about it)
2. Buster Posey
3. Madison Bumgarner (at best!)
4. Pablo Sandoval
5. Henry Sosa
6. Nate Schierholtz
7. Conor Gillaspie
8. Angel Villalona
9. Nick Noonan
10. Sundrendy Windster (excellent name puts him just past other contenders for this spot).
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by Lyle on
Aug 15, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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Remember when everyone hated the Bumgarner pick?
DFA the McCoven.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 14, 2008 2:33 PM PDT 0 recs
lol inorite?
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by jponry on
Aug 14, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
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Everyone also hated the Posey pick, but that only seemed to last about five minutes before people calmed down.
by jcb9 on
Aug 14, 2008 2:35 PM PDT
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that was nothing compared to the pants-soiling hysteria over MadBum.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on
Aug 14, 2008 2:35 PM PDT
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I wasn’t on that thread, but I must admit, I flipped out a little over Alderson. The whole, “WHAT DO YOU MEAN TWO PITCHERS AUGH WHY” kind of thing.
by jcb9 on
Aug 14, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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I don’t really know much about amatuer baseball; all I know is I like it when we don’t give away draft picks and the analysts don’t describe our selections as “signability” picks.
Beyond that I’m willing to give the FO a lot of leeway in that dept.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on
Aug 14, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
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Start here and work your way down. It’s hilarious.
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Aug 14, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
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You know, the propensity for (mostly male) sports fans to refer to young athletes as “studs” has always amused me. Homoeroticism, ho!
by jcb9 on
Aug 14, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
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You guys are definitely overreacting. Beau Mills sucks and Bumgarner has high potential.
we should have listened to giants92388
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by jponry on
Aug 14, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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instead of walling him up in the abandoned coke oven
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on
Aug 14, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
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hey! you came up with MadBum!
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on
Aug 14, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
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Its one of my few accomplishments around here.
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Aug 14, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
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ha ha ha that is hillarious
I wasn’t in on the thread, but I did post this under a now defunct screen name. Not bad in retrospect.
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Aug 14, 2008 3:24 PM PDT
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The great thing about the Bumgarner pick was that DrB had already laid the groundwork by threatening to throw himself down the stairs …
by Evan on
Aug 14, 2008 3:35 PM PDT
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I haven’t seen Dr. B in awhile, may he actually did throw himself down a flight of stairs..
by xanthan on
Aug 14, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
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he probably saw MadBum’s first start of the season and immediately committed suicide.
by FluLikeSymptoms on
Aug 14, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
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DFA the McCoven?
But we have veteran savvy! And we blogged well for this team!
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by EliminateMe on
Aug 15, 2008 3:18 AM PDT
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Eh
I think the Giants could go younger.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
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