minor lines, 8/13/08
AAA: Fresno lost to Portland 11-0 (7 innings) in game 1
Fresno: 2B Travis Denker: 1 for 1, 2 BB
Portland: LF Paul McAnulty: 2 for 2, HR, 2 BB
Portland: RF Vince Sinisi: 3 for 4, HR
Fresno: RHP Victor Santos: 4.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 1 K--2 HR
Fresno: RHP Roberto Novoa: 0.2 IP, 6 H, 7 R, 4 ER, 1 BB--1 HR, 1 HB
Fresno: "RHP" Justin Leone: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 K
The lone Grizzly to reach base more than once, Denker had one of the Grizzlies' two hits and two of their four walks. The Padres' McAnulty and Sinisi led the Beavers' offense for the second straight game, with McAnulty once again reaching base four times and Sinisi once again having three hits.
Santos continues to scuffle, although this start actually improved his ERA to just 13.50 since the all-star break. He threw 105 pitches (60 strikes) in just four innings. Novoa retired just two of eleven batters he faced in the 5th inning, and one of those two was the opposing pitcher. Leone got the opportunity to pitch the 6th inning. After allowing a leadoff double and hitting the second batter, he then struck out the pitcher and induced an inning-ending GiDP from the leadoff hitter.
AAA: Fresno defeated Portland 2-0 (7 innings) in game 2
Fresno: RF Dan Ortmeier: 2 for 2, 2B, BB
Fresno: SS Jake Wald: 2 for 3, HR
Portland: RF Vince Sinisi: 1 for 2, 2B, HBP
Fresno: LHP Erick Threets: 3.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K--1 HB
Fresno: RHP Osiris Matos: 3.0 IP, 2 H, 5 K
Ortmeier and Wald had all the hits from the Grizzlies' starting lineup. Ortmeier, who has reportedly returned to switch hitting, raised his AVG to .178. Wald, who had 7 HRs a year ago in the Eastern League, had his 4th HR of this season. Remaining hot, the Padres' Sinisi was the only Beaver to reach base twice.
Threets received his first start since last April. He was not exactly efficient with his pitch count in that role, throwing 33 of 56 pitches for strikes. In long relief, Matos also threw a fair number of pitches, but over three quarters of them (37 of 48) for strikes.
AA: Connecticut defeated Akron 3-2
Connecticut: C Adam Witter: 1 for 4, HR, 2 SO
Connecticut: 1B Simon Klink: 2 for 3, BB
Connecticut: 3B David Maroul: 1 for 3, HR
Connecticut: RHP Garrett Broshuis: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--1 HR
Connecticut: RHP Ronnie Ray: 3.0 IP, 3 H, 2 K
Witter and Maroul connected for their 17th and 10th HRs, respectively. With two singles, as well as a walk, Klink was the only Defender to reach base multiple times, raising his OBP above .300.
Broshuis bounced back from his previous start (6 ER, 11 H) with this quality start. Ray continues his very strong pitching over the last couple months.
A+: San Jose lost to Visalia 3-1
San Jose: CF Darren Ford: 0 for 4, 4 SO
San Jose: 3B Matt Downs: 2 for 4, SO
San Jose: RHP Tim Alderson: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 4 K
San Jose: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 3 K
Downs was the lone Giant with mutliple hits, raising his AVG to .310 in the Cal League, although he hit just .244 in 86 AB in the PCL. In his 20th game with the Giants, Ford suffered the sombrero. He already more strikeouts than hits, and his SO/AB ratio is now 30% since joining the Giants (cf. 26% this year before joining the Giants).
Alderson had a quality start but suffered his first loss since before the Cal League's all-star break in mid-June. Alderson has dramatically improved his K/BB ratio during that span, with a 65/25 K/BB line before the break and a 47/9 K/BB line since. After a spot start four days earlier, Joaquin returned to the bullpen for his fifth relief appearance in the Cal League, where his BB/IP ratio remains above 0.50.
A-: Augusta defeated West Virginia 4-2
Augusta: SS Juan Ciriaco: 3 for 4, SB, CS
Augusta: 3B Andrew Davis: 1 for 3, 3B, BB
Augusta: RHP T.J. Brewer: 5.2 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K
The GreenJackets got most of their offense from the left side of the infield, with Ciriaco being their only hitter with multiple hits and Davis providing their only XBH.
Brewer continues to be on a roll, with no more than 1 ER allowed over his last nine appearances, including seven starts. Since SAL all-star break, he has 26 H, 11 BB and 33 K in 40.0 IP with a 1.35 ERA.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Vancouver 6-5
Salem-Keizer: 3B Jose Flores: 2 for 5, 2 2B, SO
Salem-Keizer: C Johnny Monell: 2 for 4, 2B, GiDP
Salem-Keizer: RHP Mike Loree: 4.0+ IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 6 K--1 HB, 1 WP, 1 PO
With two hits each, including three of the team's four XBHs, Flores and Monell led the Volcanoes' offense, raising their AVGs to .280 and .169.
Loree had one of his less effective starts, raising his ERA to 2.91. After not recording a groundball out last night (0/5 GO/FO line), his GO/AO ratio is 0.83.
R: Giants defeated Brewers 5-2
Scottsdale: CF Wendell Fairley: 1 for 2, BB, HBP
Scottsdale: DH Conor Gillaspie: 0 for 2, 2 BB, SO, CS
Scottsdale: 1B Ryan Flanigan: 3 for 4, HR, 2B
Scottsdale: RHP Jorge Bucardo: 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 8 K
Scottsdale: RHP Chris Wilson: 1.1 IP, 2 K
Maryvale: RHP Jake Odorizzi: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1 K
Flanigan, the lone rookie Giant with a multiple hit line, connected for his first pro HR. Fairley was the other rookie Giant to reach base three times. Gillaspie had his short hitting streak snapped.
Bucardo had the best start of his career, including his second straight start with a season high (if not career high) in strikeouts. He allowed only a leadoff double in the 2nd inning. Wilson struck out two of the four batters he faced for his 4th save. Odorizzi, the 32nd overall pick by the Brewers this year, has made four of eight appearances against the Giants.
DSL: Giants lost to Mets 7-4
Dominican: C Hector Sanchez: 1 for 3, HR, 2 BB
Dominican: RHP Edward Concepcion: 6.0 IP, 10 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 5 K--1 HR, 1 WP
Sanchez (18.8 y.o.) homered for the second time in three days. Concepcion (19.10 y.o.) had one of his less effective starts. He still has a very nice 7-2 W-L record despite a 4.30 ERA and .290 BAA.
And it's probably past time for the early Augusta edition to update my so-called "Future Forty":
1. LHP Madison Bumgarner
2. RHP Tim Alderson
3. 1B Angel Villalona
4. 3B Conor Gillaspie
5. C Pablo Sandoval
6. RHP Henry Sosa
7. OF Rafael Rodriguez
8. RF Nate Schierholtz
9. 2B Nick Noonan
10. CF Wendell Fairley
11. 1B Travis Ishikawa
12. LHP Alex Hinshaw
13. 2B Travis Denker
14. RHP Merkin Valdez
15. RHP Osiris Matos
16. LHP Clayton Tanner
17. OF Roger Kieschnick
18. RHP Billy Sadler
19. RHP Sergio Romo
20. LHP Ben Snyder
21. RHP Kelvin Pichardo
22. 3B Ryan Rohlinger
23. RHP Joe Martinez
24. LHP Geno Espineli
25. RHP Justin Hedrick
26. SS Brian Bocock
27. LHP Jesse English
28. SS Charlie Culberson
29. 2B Matt Downs
30. CF Michael McBryde
31. RHP Edwin Quirarte
32. LHP Erick Threets
33. RHP Waldis Joaquin
34. RHP Kevin Pucetas
35. LF Brian Horwitz
36. RHP Brian Anderson
37. LF Eddy Martinez-Esteve
38. LHP Paul Oseguera
39. C Jackson Williams
40. RHP Daryl Maday
P.S. Maybe I am getting old and cynical, but I did find myself wondering about the quality and purpose of this list as I am not sure how much difference there is between #15 and #40.
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Ugly line from Ford, so he doesn’t make your top-40, steve?
by xanthan on Aug 14, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. I overlooked him. He probably should be in the list, but perhaps only in the bottom ten. Any other thoughts on him?
by steve S on Aug 15, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not high on Ford, he’s basically just really speedy and a good defender (from what I’ve heard). I think putting him in the bottom ten is a fine place to stick him.
by xanthan on Aug 15, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always like looking over top-prospect lists, but yeah, the whole ranking thing does seem sort of pointless. Really now, how can one coherently argue for Schierholtz over Fairley, or vice versa? They’re just completely different prospects at this point. Or Sandoval and Gillaspie? Or Denker and Hinshaw? We’re making assessments of upside, guessing at the probability of reaching that upside, combining the two measurements according to some vague personal formula, and then using the result to weigh apples against oranges.
How about doing a USSM-style list, where players are sorted in tiers, and given separate grades for risk & reward?
by Evan on Aug 14, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Steve
why don’t you do a bunch more work! (I kid).
Perhaps being older and cynicaller, I reached this point a few years back. I can hardly bring myself to rank a Top 10, so I salute your continued efforts at this.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Aug 14, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I’ll take an opening shot at it, though I’m not much of a prospect maven. The numbers after each name are reward/risk, on a scale of one to five.
Ready
Schierholtz 2/3
Close to Ready
Sandoval 4/3
Ishikawa 3/4
Denker 2/4
Bowker 2/3
Burriss 1/4
Rohlinger 1/5
Starting pitchers, years away
Bumgarner 5/5
Sosa 4/5
Alderson 3/4
Tanner 1/4
Position players, years away
Posey 5/4
Villalona 5/5
Rodriguez 4/5
Gillaspie 3/4
Noonan 3/5
Fairley 3/5
Kieschnick 3/5
Crawford 3/5
Downs 1/5
That’s a top twenty. This omits all relievers (Valdez, Hinshaw, Sadler, Matos, Romo, Picardo …) and the soft-tossing starters (Snyder, Pucetas, English …) because I don’t really have any idea how to rank them.
by Evan on Aug 14, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evan
You don’t think Rohlinger has tons more potential than Burriss? I’d make him a 3/4 or 3/3 on your scale. (If I understand correctly that the first number is ceiling, and the second number is the likelihood of reaching that ceiling).
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. - Bob Lemon, 1981
by Lyle on Aug 15, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about tons. His ceiling strikes me as maybe Pedro Feliz with .030 more points of OBP and .050 less SLG. He will take a walk and he’ll hit some HRs, and he’s a very good defensive player. But he has a kind of longish swing that I think has plenty of holes. On Evan’s scale I don’t think I’d rank him higher than a 2/4.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Aug 15, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll defer to Roger on that. Rohlinger is one of those guys I’ve been rooting for while figuring that he basically has no shot, so now that he’s looking like an actual prospect, I’m not sure what to make of him. I do think 3 is too high. In my mind, 3 is a well above average starter — post-2004 Adrian Beltre, say. Rohlinger’s ceiling is surely more in the Feliz/Inge/Crede neck of the woods.
The first number is ceiling and the second number is risk — i.e., the higher the number, the greater the chance that the player washes out. I borrowed this from USSM, but I realize now that it’s confusing. The two numbers should go in the same direction, not opposite. Oh well.
by Evan on Aug 15, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve thought about doing this, but I haven’t convinced myself yet to do it. Incidentally, if I can give props to another site, I highly recommend USSM, and that is the source from which I stole the name “Future Forty.”
by steve S on Aug 15, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bring up leone to pitch
dfa walker. Really though, could he be any worse?
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on Aug 14, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When does RafRod start playing?
Has he done anything since signing?
by boonitez on Aug 14, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's RaRod to you, buster!
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. - Bob Lemon, 1981
by Lyle on Aug 15, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's RaRod to you, buster!
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. - Bob Lemon, 1981
by Lyle on Aug 15, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SAY CAR RAROD!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 15, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillaspie knocks Noonan off the “Best Plate Discipline in the Organization” throne. That didn’t take long.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, checking Connecticut and Fresno box scores got a lot less fun yesterday.
by KCE on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stole my thunder
Only 855 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I was thinking the same thing yesterday
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 14, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wendell Fairley
HBP machine!
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Old
I’m with you, Steve, on wondering if there’s really a difference between the top 10 and the rest of the list. I think it’s important to recognize the other 30 (or 40 when SF Dugout does our next Top 50 prospect bonanza), but can you really debate why Ben Snyder is a tick higher than Kelvin Pichardo?
This is why I don’t do prospect lists. I just glom onto the names and learn everything I can about them.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Made it to the Grizzlies games
Novoa was brutal. Nice Bronx cheer when he left the game. Denker looked good, made a couple of very good defensive plays. Ort was kinda lost on a fly ball to left,cost a run. Thank God for beer.
Adopted father of Brian Bocock, Brad Boyer, Sharlon Schoop, Shane Jordan and Jeremiah Luster.
by RichH on Aug 14, 2008 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the Giants doing with Novoa? Why sign him in the first place. Isn’t Fresno stock full of AAAA relievers? Bring up some deserving youngster to AAA if there are any.
It is nice to see some of our younger players getting on base via BB (Fairly and Gillaspe).
by APGiantsFan on Aug 14, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Prospect List
Old and cynical. What a depressing bunch we have become. My favorite quote is still baseball is the most important thing in my life that doesn’t matter.
I appreciate all of the work Steve S and the other prospect mavens (Baron, Roger, etc) do to enhance this site. Having surfed around some of the other MLB Sports Nation sites it doesn’t appear anyone has this kind of detail which I know I love.
I like the way Sickels rates prospects because he looks at the list and assigns some letter grades to show the difference between 1 and whatever somewhat similar to what Evan did above. I hope you will keep up the list from time to time and thank you for all of the work and effort to keep us informed.
by slcgiant on Aug 14, 2008 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Prospect maven! I like that. Might put that on my business card.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with this in my mind is that the quality of prospects lies along a continuum and this tends to imply that prospects lie at a few discrete points. If you have three A- prospects and three B+ prospects, it is possible that one of the A- prospects is closer in value the top B+ prospect than he is to the other two A- prospects. If you really wanted to do this, perhaps you would drop everything into a score and just list the scores instead of the rankings. To me, part of the value of the list is to try to give some idea of how I think the risk/reward for one player compares to the risk/reward for another. Yeah, it’s apples and oranges, but maybe you prefer the apple if it’s a Fuji but prefer the orange if the apple is a Gala. A ranking captures that, although it does not express whether the difference in preferences is slight or significant.
by steve S on Aug 15, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep doing the list, Steve
we see the lines everyday and they don’t provide composite sketch of the system as a whole. The Future 40, in my opinion, takes sort of a bird’s eye view at the system and how things are shaping up. Lists can be a silly way of evaluating these things and usually somewhere along in the list there isn’t much difference between 15 and 40, as you say. But it is still good to see what we have going for us overall.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 14, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wheres crawdaddy
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Aug 14, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Grizzlies-Beavers
Seeing Justin Leone pitch was certainly the highlight of last night’s Grizzlies-Beavers doubleheader. Jake Wald’s game winning HR in game two pales in comparison to the sight of Leone locating his 80-83 MPH fastball and managing to picth a scoreless inning. Leone also made a couple of nice plays in the field (at SS and 3B) and demonstrated his plate discipline, a scare commodity in this organization from top to bottom,as everyone knows. Travis Denker showed a good approach at the plate and looked at least competent in the field, too.
Matos looked good. He was dominating in his three innings. Threets had trouble getting his change up over the plate. He was consistently hitting 93-94 on the stadium radar gun with his fastball. I would be surprised if Novoa and Santos aren’t released soon. They looked awful.
by koel on Aug 14, 2008 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Always appreciate the firsthand reports!
Does the Great Leono really only throw in the low 80s??
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 15, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy that our $126M dollar ACE has the same velocity of our journey man utility AAA player.
by xanthan on Aug 15, 2008 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fear the changeball!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 15, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the Great Leono really only throw in the low 80s??
Yes, and it looked like he threw a decent breaking ball too.
Adopted father of Brian Bocock, Brad Boyer, Sharlon Schoop, Shane Jordan and Jeremiah Luster.
by RichH on Aug 15, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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