Elvis Andrus anyone?
by Fresburg on Aug 14, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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PrintYesterday The Dallas Morning News ran an article talking about how hot they are for starting pitching. It says that they'll be searching for top starting pitching via trade in the offseason. Considering the Giants are deepest in pitching, I took a look at the article.
The author proposes trading their top Short Stop prospect, 19 year old Elvis Andrus. With the Giants strength with pitching, gaping hole at short, and with the author's belief that Andrus may be All-star caliber, it seems like there might be a good match.
Does anyone know anything on Andrus? Should the Giants be interested in a swap? If so, what would it take to get him?
Here's a little on Andrus from the article:
Andrus: Andrus began the season as the Rangers' top-ranked prospect and has done nothing during the year to lose that title. Andrus has played the entire season at Double-A as a teenager (he turns 20 on Aug. 26). Like Beltre, his offensive numbers have shot up in the second half of the season. You look at his numbers at age 19 compared with those of Edgar Renteria at the same age and you have a pretty good idea of what Andrus may be – an athletic, All-Star caliber shortstop for more than a decade.
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I’d like to dispel the myth that we are deep at pitching.
Cain and Lincecum = great
Sanchez = Good, but work in progress, potential for good-to-great
Zito = Suck
Correia = ???
Lowry = might never pitch again
Bumgarner and Alderson are fine prospects, but they are still two levels away from the majors.
I dunno, you really rarely see prospects-for-prospects deal these days. Mostly because prospects are so heavily valued right now and also because no one wants to trade a guy away that turns into a stud.
I think Bumgarner is a definite overpay for Elvis. Alderson might be, too. I would move Sosa for him, but I think the Rangers might want more.
Andrus is a solid prospect but part of his value is that he’s always really been young for his levels, and that scares me a little.
Not to mention, our bullpen really needs fixin’. We are not so deep at pitching. It’s more like, our pitching is the least suckiest aspect of the team.
by out machine on Aug 14, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
nice tie into Zenbit post on perspitves.
As Gaitns fans were are use to stffs witha high degree and volume of suckage. We ( as a total fan abse) seem too willing to equat less suckage = realy good. When in fact is just means not as bad.
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by daveinexile on Aug 14, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
hear hear!
Not to be rude but what strength ( or surplus) in starting pitching?
We might be starting Palmer here. Not exactly a obvious display of depth and strength. Though , with a bit of luck, by next June the Giants could have surplus between the upper minors and the big club it sure is not that way now.
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by daveinexile on Aug 14, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree that deep is an overstatement when describing the Giants’ pitching. However, wouldn’t you agree that it’s their deepest position now and for the future?
au contraire
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 14, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You forgot
to bag on our craptastic relief corps. Other than the slightly above average Brian Wilson.
On the plus side (seriously?) the crappy IF defense is making the pitching staff look worse than it is.
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Before the season/right now
Before the season began the Giants were deep with regards to pitching. Then Lowry went down, Correia had his injury and has been inconsistent (perhaps as a result, perhaps not), Misch sucked royally, Hennessey sucked royally and Zito got even worse than he had been. That’s a lot of crap to happen that wasn’t necessarily expected.
So, yeah, the Giants pitching isn’t that deep right now. But, it could turn around just as quickly and unexpectedly as it got into this position.
Only 855 games until the end of Zito's contract
not a fan, I’ve always thought Andrus was overrated and now that Crawford is in the bank I’d like to see how he does next year I think he’s going to have a fire under his ass trying to prove himself since he was considered a first round talent before slumping this last year. It’s also too early to write off Culberson, I’m hoping he can rebound.
I love Elvis Andrus
but I don’t think the Rangers would take somebody as far away from the big leagues as Alderson or Bumgarner. It might be worth considering in a deal that could fill multiple holes, like say Sanchez and Kevin Pucetas for Chris Davis and Elvis Andrus or something along those lines.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2008 10:25 AM PDT reply actions
Shoehorned Comp? Hell yes.
Juan Gonzalez. Plus, the Texas angle fits perfectly.
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Pretty sure if you want those two you're gonna have to trade Cain.
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by iamawesomer on Aug 14, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping that Chris Davis and Andrus could be pried away for Sanchez and Sosa, plus Taschner
if necessary, but it appears that Smoak is about to stiff the Rangers and not sign with them, making Davis totally unexpendable no matter what the Giants offered up.
And with the moves made yesterday, I suspect that Sabean will be more reluctant to break into the pitching vault on either the 40-man roster or in the minors to fill infield holes until they see if Pablo, TI, or Rohlinger can contribute.
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would never happen
i don’t think the rangers would do Sanchez and Pucetas for Davis alone
Well, I wouldn't mind Chris Davis and Andrus
Especially if it’s for Sanchez and Pucetas. I’d suspect it would take Cain, though. And that’s something I would consider. Actually, it was something that I did consider…
Now, as then, though, I am on the fence on such a move.
Only 855 games until the end of Zito's contract
Rangers are more likely to deal Michael Young
he’s 31 (32 in October) and more expensive. His power numbers have gone down from his peak. He’s probably looking at the down side of his career and he’s only OPS+ing 100 this year. He’ll probably still be fairly decent for a few more seasons, but i’d expect Andrus (turns 20 in 2 weeks) to get a serious look no later than the end of next year. He’s the Rangers SS of the future.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 14, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions
DNW Young, he’d be decent at 2B, but he’s a really bad defensive SS. +/- has him at -9, ranked 25th among major league shortstops.
I didn’t mean to imply that we try to get Young. I was just trying to provide another reason that it would be near impossible to get Andrus, as the Rangers are more likely to deal Michael Young because they have his replacement.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 14, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
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