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OPERATION BLAME BOWKER

While reading the Chronicle this morning on my lovely 5:45 AM trip on CalTrain, I was subjected to John Shea's most recent article - Bowker may be playing his way out of a job.

Now, dont get me wrong, Bowker has been anything but spectacular for the past two months, and Ishikawa is tearing minor league pitchers up. They should absolutely switch places in the immediate to very near future. But is Bowker really to blame in this situation?

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Here's how Shea, Bochy, and Sabean see it: (Quotes taken from the article)

"Bowker, who hasn't homered since July 2 and seems to struggle with plate discipline - he swings at too many high fastballs and chases breaking balls out of the zone - might be playing himself out of the lineup."

"It's something Sabes and I have talked about. I'll leave it at that," said manager Bruce Bochy..."

"He's got to adjust a little better. He's got to discipline himself a little better," Bochy said about Bowker, who is hitting .141 with three RBIs since July 12. "It's hard enough when you're facing major-league pitchers. When you're chasing pitches out of the zone, it gives the pitchers a lot more options."

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Here's how I see it: Bowker came up through the system when the completely idiotic "Ortmeier as 1B no switch cleanup hitter extrodinare!!!!" experiment tanked at the beginning of the season. When all seemed lost at first base, we bring up a 24 year old minor leaguer with solid AA numbers. Granted, he only played 9 games in AAA, but thats never stopped the Giants before!

Bowker exploded for huge numbers to start his career, and the Giants and the fans felt as if they had found gold in their stale fruit loops. However, Bowker couldn't sustain this Bondsian run, and he tailed off a bit, even though he continued to hit the ball well.

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Fact of the matter is, it's not Bowker's fault that he's seen his production drop a bit here. He didn't have time to develop plate dicipline, and the whole learning major league pitching on the fly system that the Giants have employed this year just isn't working. (Will it be long before Shea writes a similar article about Burriss?) He needed more time in the minors; he was rushed to the major leagues in an attempt to cover up an organizational disaster. He did well (exceeding expectations even!) in his time here, but I think it's time he heads back to Fresno to develop.

I guess I just took the tone of the article as a stab at a guy who did a decent job of providing the fans with a little hope for the future. Instead of saying that he's playing his way out of a job, how about being suprised that a AA RF came to the MLB, learned a new position, and lead the team in HR's for a while before going back to AAA to further hone his skills.

I appretiate you, Mr. Bowker.

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I agree totally. Good players get sent down early in their careers—-it isn’t like we’d be giving up on him. And since he plays the outfield corners it’s not like he’s guaranteed to be Wally Pipped by Ishikawa if he gets called up and turns into Will Clark.

by rotorueter on Aug 13, 2008 8:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely

Willie McCovey was sent back to the minors to work on things the year AFTER he won ROY. And of course, there was the rough beginning to Matt Williams career.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Aug 13, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why "blame"?

I don’t read this as blaming Bowker. There’s no disguising that he’s slumping badly and swinging at bad pitches. Sending him to AAA to work on his craft in a less pressured situation for a couple weeks would be a good thing.

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by leftymalo on Aug 13, 2008 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Not once in the article, however...

did they mention that he skipped a level and played very well for most of the season. They make it seem as if his poor play is solely his own fault and it’s his own problem that he’s being kicked out of here.

If anyone is to blame here, it’s Sabean.

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 13, 2008 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for posting this, Angel

This sure seems like blaming the victim. Yes, Bowker has struggled; and yes, he should be in AAA this year. And who’s fault is that? I blame Sabean (although Canada came in a close second). If ever an organization needed Ritalin….

It’s not rocket science to say that 2007 was the year we should have been auditioning Fred Lewis at the ML level, 2008 was the year we should have been auditioning Nate Schierholtz, and 2009 should be the year we audition John Bowker and possibly Travis Ishikawa. 2010 for Copeland and Rohlinger, etc, etc. That’s not to say all of them succeed at those points, but that those would be logical starting points. The fact that Bowker wasn’t completely Bococked in his first month in the majors only barely obscured the fact that this organization had no plan for 3B, SS, or 1B for this season. Again, I blame Sabean.

Bowker sinking. Bocock shafted. Burriss possibly sliding. I get it; the Giants have no regard for players whose last names begin with B. Hmm. Seems like I’m leaving someone else out…..

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by Lyle on Aug 13, 2008 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

+ 1,000,000

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 13, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The way they treated Bocock was inexcusable

The whole FO should have fired themselves for that.

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by hairball on Aug 13, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

It makes me a sad panda to see that getting completely overmatched at the ML level is now being referred to as being Bococked… And yet, I feel it could translate well to everyday life. I might start using that more. It’s better than being Munsoned.

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by JRPhillips on Aug 13, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right with you Lyle

Sabean spent all last winter coming up with a grand total of 0 major league options for 1B, SS, and 3B and subsequently has spent most of the ‘08 season trying to pull solutions for these black holes out of his ass. IMHO, if he was one of those old-school GMs who spent 6 hours a day on the golf course and 8 hours a night martini-blasting themselves into next Tuesday, he really couldn’t have accomplished less for this team in terms of major league roster construction.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Aug 13, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m OK with Ishi getting some reps at 1B in the bigs. He’s been ridiculous in AAA and it makes sense to give him a shot with Bowker struggling.

by xanthan on Aug 13, 2008 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

the problem

the organization is treating its 1st basemen in the worst possible way. let’s review: Dan Ortmeier. He had a great September and the organization took the small sample size and said “This guy is a 1B we can get behind!” before dropping him at the first sign of trouble in ST. Then we have the inconsequential (as far as the future is concerned) reign if Rich Aurilia. Enter John Bowker. Bowker has a flashy start, allowing the organization to say “This is a (possible) 1B we can get behind!” Bowker does well for 2 and a half months, then starts to struggle. Now the organization is doing the same thing to Bowker they did to Ort, “You aren’t a magical solution the 1B? FAIL!” The decision is made easier with TI in AAA, but there isn’t a magical solution. the organization has to take 1 (or 2) guy(s) and allow them to get reps. Bowker isn’t as bad as this, nor is he as good as the .280 BA with good power either. not yet, at least. the Org needs to come out and support bowker, and the time in AAA he needs to develop, not send negative vibes because he didn’t mask the front office’s inadequacies with organization depth and the “plan” for the infield this season. The FO is just disappointed Bowker didn’t bail them out from their own poor planning

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by Speedforthewin on Aug 13, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I truly believe

That the Giants have some Kevin Kouzmanoffs in the rough, toiling away somewhere, whether it’s Bowker, Ishikawa, Rohlinger, or whoever. The key is to let them play through the struggles, and see what you have. They did that (finally) with Fred Lewis, thank god (although for the love of God, why hasn’t he been shut down to get his surgery so he’ll be okay next spring????). Perhaps they’ll do it with Burriss, but Bowker is obviously a regression.

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by hairball on Aug 13, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

Lewis will be shut down when Nate is available from the Olympics(please US, lose for the Bunions!)

by KTJ on Aug 13, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give us TI or give us death.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Screw that! Give us a measure of possitive success!

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by daveinexile on Aug 13, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

New nickname in honor of Travis’ new-found power: Magnum, T.I.

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by Goofus on Aug 13, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Might lead to a condom endorsement gig, as well.

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by Goofus on Aug 13, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Spanish Inquisition could not have been run by the Church of Baron.

“TI or death?”

“Ummm… TI please…”

“Here you go. TI or death?”

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by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not worried about it. Bowker will return September 1 anyway. Getting TI or Pablo up quicker than the roster expansion date is what we want, yes?

Although trying to explain this one to a friend who is a big Bowker fan will not be easy…

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2008 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

In one of Baggarly’s reports he says the Giants scouting peeps think he’s major league ready.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow. My kids would be thrilled—they’ve been heartbroken to learn we can’t watch Pablo play for San Jose any more.

by wedge on Aug 13, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was blown away too. I mean I liked what I saw of Pablo in early April (one game). I just never expected this guy to blow up so fast.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I SAW HIM FIRST!!!

Honestly, though, I fell in love with the guy when I saw him play last year @ SJ. Dude clearly had game, and was a big, lovable, smiley lug. It’s impossible not to like him (unless you’re an opposing pitcher).

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by delorean on Aug 13, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah he was a crackup during batting practice, doing funny stuff. And then before the game with the Baseball Buddies, he was signing stuff for the kids and patting them on the head and stuff. He really seems like just a joy as a person as well as a fearsome hitter.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

according to new Fanpost

perhaps it’s Rohlinger who’s getting the call-up

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by delorean on Aug 13, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rohlinger up and Bowker down?

Oh Lord, I’m so scared Rohlinger will be hailed as the firstbaseman of the future….

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by Lyle on Aug 13, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read what Baggerly said. And is way smarter then I. But i would be very surprised ifit was not an Arm brought up given the Giatns have 2 + weeks to the next day off and might need to skip a couple starts in the rotation by then.

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by daveinexile on Aug 13, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

excellent point

Maybe there are 2 (or more) moves in the offing….

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by delorean on Aug 13, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Why "blame"?

Sorry, but I agree with leftymalo up top: You guys are reading way too much into this. I don’t see the article as “blaming” Bowker at all.

As for it not mentioning his skipping a level—the article was written for the print publication and therefore had a space limitation. Not every detail is going to make it in there.

Blame Sabean all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that Bowker isn’t hitting as well as he did earlier. Me, I’m looking forward to seeing Travis get another shot.

by wedge on Aug 13, 2008 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I dont think so...

What I’m saying is that Bowker’s struggles are a result of organizational failure, and although he’s struggled, the article was unneccessarily harsh.

If you want to see how Shea’s article should have been written, read ExtraBaggs.com

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 13, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Giants feel like the best thing for Bowker’s development is to send him down and let him clear his head. There is no “blame” or anything like that. They are not DFAing him, they are trying to do what is best for him.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 13, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've said it before and I'll say it again

Bowker is no 1B, and using age to justify poor production is no excuse. Bowker isn’t as bad as he’s been playing, but I don’t know if he’ll ever crack an .800 OPS. He strikes me as more of a 4th OF type, that could get maybe 200-300 at-bats a year of nice production and a good bat off the bench.

I for one am happy this happened, because at least maybe now Sabean will see 1B as the problem it is and not just hand it over the flavor of the month OF’r. The next time I want to see Bowker in SF is playing outfield, preferably in a reserve role

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by NeifiChicken on Aug 13, 2008 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think the Giants are mistreating Bowker

they called him up, mot likely intending for him to get a brief look in the majors and then go back to AAA to resume his normal development track, but he kind of changed those plans by going on his ridiculous hot streak for a week or so at which point they figured maybe they should give him an extended look in the big leagues. They realized full well they were rushing him a bit and that he skipped AAA so they stuck with him through good times and bad (which is what you are supposed to do with a young player). I think by now they feel like his struggles have gotten to the point where it’s not productive to send him out there everyday and the best thing for him to do is go down to AAA. I agree that this article is unnecessarily negative in its tone, but I think if somebody is mistreating Bowker it is John Shea, not the Giants.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 13, 2008 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Not "blaming victim" -- ask yourself: Where SHOULD Bowker be right now?

And your answer to yourself will likely be, “Well, he probably should be at AAA.” So if that’s where he SHOULD be and that’s where he’s GOING, then what is the problem?

If I’m fixing my car engine and grab the wrong size wrench, I will put it back where it belongs and get a different wrench. Was I “blaming” the first wrench by putting it back where it belongs? Of course not. It’s just putting it back where it ought to have been in the first place.

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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 13, 2008 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not blaming Bowker at all, and I support the demotion.

I just didn’t approve of the way it was discussed I guess. Maybe I should be directing my agression at John Shea, but Sabean is an easier target.

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 13, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you use the wrong wrench...

Are you going to tell your neighbors that the wrench you used just couldn’t get the job done, and if it keeps up like that, it’s going to play its way right out of your toolbox?

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Aug 13, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

the first thing I would do

is call John Shea and ask him to please not write an article criticizing the wrench

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 13, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha.

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 13, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, probably. That damn wrench is so not a gamer.

(Very funny comment, b.t.w., JR. You also, FluLike, below.)

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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 13, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

(FluLike, ABOVE, that is.)

I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."

by Mayor of 311 on Aug 13, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gracias! I like to think that every now and again I can provide a zinger. It’s rare, so enjoy it while it lasts.

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by JRPhillips on Aug 13, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Say

Keep Bowker up here, i’d love a higher draft pick.

by Giant Voodoo on Aug 13, 2008 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

The way the article said “the Bowker experiment may be coming to an end” or something at first scared me. It then said only a break, at least. I was worried they were already giving up on him for good. I don’t mind giving him some time in AAA to work some things out and build up his confidence. But this was a little harsh.

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by raisingcain on Aug 13, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I could be mistaken

But I suspect that part of the reason Bowker has started to struggle so much is due to his being exposed to left handed pitching more often.

If that is the case, and he is demonstrating that he can’t really hit lefties @ the ML level, then yes – sending him down to figure THAT out is a good idea.

I’m having a hard time figuring out if this is the case, but he is still hitting horribly vs lefties but pretty good against righties for the year.

I don’t have a monthly platoon split to really see if his AB’s vs. Lefties have all come recently…

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by FairweatherFan on Aug 13, 2008 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I was under the impression that he still hasn’t been givne much of a chance to face lefties. He has 324 PAs this season and only 35 have been against LHPs.

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by Goofus on Aug 13, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

It could also be that he’s just been around more—opponents have got more videotape on him and can spot holes in the swing. Other factors could be fatigue or the plain old law of averages.

by wedge on Aug 13, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has been trying to pull everything. He, like most if not all players, are best using the entire field.

by wilriv21 on Aug 13, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, that’s what I’ve noticed also. in most at-bats he’ll rip at least 2 pitches hard into the seats along the 1st baseline, and its usually from those inside pitches he should “inside-out” to get basehits into left field? that’s at least what I picture being a good idea

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by joeytothelimit on Aug 13, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

With his quick stroke, I think he should be turning on inside pitches. It’s the outside pitches that I’d like to see him go the other way with.

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by Goofus on Aug 13, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frankly

If a few months in SF can’t help him to go the other way, I really don’t know what Fresno is going to do for him.

They are a little less accepting of that approach down there.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Aug 13, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plenty of successful hitters are predominately pull hitters, though. I believe there is a significant body of work out there indicating that using the entire field is not a one-size-fits-all strategy——but I don’t have any sources on hand, so feel free to be skeptical.

by rotorueter on Aug 13, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey AITI

Whatever you do, don’t read the headline to Shea’s latest magnum opus

Giants send three underperformers away, bring in three youngsters

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by delorean on Aug 13, 2008 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

UGH.

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 13, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you see Bochy's comment in today's Chron

that Bowker might not even get a recall in September. I also like the bit about getting rid of youngsters who didn’t perform well enough including Denker (.243/.333/.486 in 37 sporadic ABs), Horwitz (37 sporadic ABs), and Ortmeier (who kinda sucks, but was judged as a result of 70 ST ABs, rather than the more common sense approach of judging his entire minor league record).

If this is really all the time the kids are going to get to prove themselves, it’s frankly lucky that Bowker wasn’t shipped out back in early June.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Aug 14, 2008 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate Bochy so much.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Up kinda early, aren't you Baron?

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Aug 14, 2008 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m always up this early. I start work at 6:30 am five days a week. Yes I hate my life why do you ask?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I start work at 7 in SF

Which wouldn’t be so bad if I didn’t live in San Jose.

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 14, 2008 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fortunately I live in Pittsburg and work in Concord, so the commute isn’t terrible. I started this insane schedule because I had class in the late afternoons last semester, and taking off a bit early on the days I had class was easier if I started earlier. Plus I work nine hour days so there’s that too.

When fall semester starts next week I’ll get back to normal person hours, I hope. I have night classes again. I never thought I’d be so overjoyed to sit in class until 10pm two nights a week.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a really tough adjustment...

I went to class 10-4 two days a week in college and worked 5-3 the other days. Now I’m practically up and working from 5-7, no fun.

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 14, 2008 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I work from 6:30 to 4:30 4.5 days a week

I used to commute from SF to Sunnyvale, but now I am just in Sunnyvale

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Aug 14, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come January I get to be a punk nothing kid again working at a shitty retail job and focusing on school full time. I can’t wait. I certainly bitch about having a grownup job and working in an office with a bunch of cretins and jerks, but it could be worse.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually I miscalculated my East Coast/West Coast time conversion, still I sorry about the 6:30 call time. That’s really gotta hurt. I don’t even get up until about 7:00, and really that’s just to make my wife breakfast while she’s getting ready for work. Left to my own devices I could probably sleep in until 8 and still get to work on time.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Aug 14, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

You people clearly aren't gamers

My late mornings at work start at 5am; early ones start at 3am. I just get up, rub some dirt into whatever hurts, and go out and grind it out. (with appropriate chewing, spitting, and scratching where indicated)

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by Lyle on Aug 14, 2008 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t you just feel an irresistible urge sometimes to reach out and slap the grin off your cheery OS talent?

I remember once having a 5:30 call in Buenos Aires and I ran into an old friend the night before at dinner and didn’t get back to the hotel until 5:10. The only time I think I’ve actually fallen asleep in the shower.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Aug 14, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

At first, yes. Then I realize that, no matter the time of day, I’m just not that cheery or outgoing. So I figure, more power to ’em. Less money, but more power would okay.

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by Lyle on Aug 15, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

My day starts around 5am. Before I leave the house I have to put together food for my grandmother to eat while I’m gone for most of the day and have her take her meds, and she doesn’t always eat everything I make for her nor does she always take her meds. Add that to the idiotic home health people the hospital sent after her last stay telling me UR DOIN IT RONG despite me feeding her healthy foods. Needless to say, fuck them.

I think this experience is actually very valuable. It has cemented my desire to never ever ever ever ever reproduce, because if I had children it would be 10 times as worse.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would still be so bad.

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by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll second that.

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by AngelintheInfield on Aug 14, 2008 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on Denker, and maybe even Horwitz but Ort was never going to be a real hitter in the bigs. He MAY be able to stick around as the 25th guy on a roster because he can sub at all the OF spots and 1B, but he shouldn’t be starting. We all knew that last season, and just crossed our fingers hoping he would magically learn to be Will Clark.

by tyrannoman on Aug 14, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never even crossed my fingers and hoped anything. There was virtually no reason to believe Ortmeier could be an acceptable major league starter, much less 1B. My point wasn’t that I think all of these players could be productive big leaguers (the only one of the three who has a chance IMO is Denker and he was rushed almost from Low A straight to majors just like Burriss and Bocock), the point was the arbitrary, desparate, and borderline nonsensical nature of the decision making. There was a PA guy at Memorial Stadium in Baltimore who’d always say “give that fan a contract” whenever someone caught a foul ball, and I find myself wondering if that’s not going to be the next step in our personnel decisions if things keep heading in this same direction.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Aug 14, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

If so

I’m all over it.

I’ve been going to the batting cages and taking grounders @ 3rd.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Aug 14, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why the Giants’ decided to rush these prospects, but on a team this bad I don’t know if it really hurts the good ones. While I do think there are occasional players who can’t handle the change (Corey Patterson comes to mind), for most I don’t think it’s a big deal. Burris was rushed, but he has played well, and I think Bowker has as well. He needed to be sent down for a bit, but overall I don’t think this two months in the bigs will hurt his devolpment.

Of course, they all may totally lose confidence and we’ll never see them agian…

by tyrannoman on Aug 14, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Bowker had a bat attitude? Kind hard to imagine…

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Aug 14, 2008 7:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I liked it the first way.

Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!

by Roger on Aug 14, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It definitely wasn’t an attitude problem. Anyone that knows him, and everyone in the clubhouse could attest that he has an extremely hard work ethic and is one of the most soft spoken nice guys you’ll see out there. He was sent down due to performance…if anything, his attitude probably kept him up longer that expected…

by Chucknasty on Aug 14, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I always got that John Bowker was a good guy. I just liked the idea of him having a bat attitude…

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 14, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't thinking sent down

Was more thinking as reasoning for Bochy’s comments.

John always seemed like a good guy to me, based on what little I have seen of him in interviews, etc.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Aug 14, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

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