The Hugo Awards
For anybody who is inclined to skim or skip this for length or disinterest, in the last paragraph I simply open things up for this to be an OPEN SCIENCE FICTION / FANTASY BOOK THREAD. So don't hold yourself to this whole "Hugo Awards" theme if you don't care.
I don't know that anybody noticed, or that many care, but the winners for this year's Hugo Awards were just recently announced.
For those who don't know, the Hugo is a literary award given out annually in a variety of categories (Best Novel, Novella, Novelette, and Short Story, as well as a few individual awards) to award outstanding writing within the genres of Science Fiction and Fantasy. I used to be a big SF fan, and am currently still a big fan of Fantasy. SF fell out of my favor years ago not because I don't enjoy the genre, but rather because I was finding it harder and harder to enjoy the product, or rather harder and harder to find SF products, in print, that I do enjoy.
Which is why I was looking forward to this year's Hugos. I miss reading SF, and I want back in. So starting with the cream of the crop must be a good spot to jump back in. This is perhaps a prelude to where I am eventually going with this FanPost, but for the time being I'd like to get back on topic and discuss the awards themselves.
The nominees for each category have been announced for some time, and excepting the novels, each has been freely available for consumption online in anticipation of the awards (and still are, as of last night). The list of nominees for each of the significant awards was:
Best Novel
- The Yiddish Policemen’s Union by Michael Chabon
- Brasyl by Ian McDonald
- Rollback by Robert J. Sawyer
- The Last Colony by John Scalzi
- Halting State by Charles Stross
Best Novella
- “The Fountain of Age” by Nancy Kress
- “Recovering Apollo 8″ by Kristine Kathryn Rusch
- “Stars Seen Through Stone” by Lucius Shepard
- “All Seated on the Ground” by Connie Willis
- “Memorare” by Gene Wolfe
Best Novelette
- “The Cambist and Lord Iron: a Fairytale of Economics” by Daniel Abraham
- “The Merchant and the Alchemist”s Gate” by Ted Chiang
- “Dark Integers” by Greg Egan
- “Glory” by Greg Egan
- “Finisterra” by David Moles
Best Short Story
- “Last Contact” by Stephen Baxter
- “Tideline” by Elizabeth Bear
- “Who’s Afraid of Wolf 359?” by Ken MacLeod
- “Distant Replay” by Mike Resnick
- “A Small Room in Koboldtown” by Michael Swanwick
The only thing on this list that I had read previously was Michael Chabon's The Yiddish Policemen's Union (currently being adapted for the screen by the Coen brothers), and that is a curious nominee for an award which claims its focus to be SFF. Though I suppose an alternate history can be termed "Fantasy" if you view the genre with a wider lens than most people who view genres liberally even might be inclined to do.
The winners, as announced the other day, were:
- Best Novel: The Yiddish Policemen’s Union by Michael Chabon
- Best Novella: “All Seated on the Ground” by Connie Willis
- Best Novelette: “The Merchant and the Alchemist’s Gate” by Ted Chiang
- Best Short Story: “Tideline” by Elizabeth Bear
And Michael Chabon won! Which disappointed me some at first. It's a very good book, yes, but it's also deeply uneven and stretches to even be considered for the award... my first instinct was to credit reputation for earning him the award. I found it hard to believe that over the entire year, there wasn't a better, more appropriate candidate. I've since reconsidered that stance and don't feel conspiratorial anymore, though I still think it's a weird choice altogether.
The other winners I quickly found online, pasted into a Word file, and saved for eventual consumption. I've read Connie Willis before and enjoyed her quite a bit (To Say Nothing of the Dog and Doomsday Book are both at least as good as advertised), so I'm really looking forward to reading her 23,000 word Novella about Aliens and Christmas. It's the longest of the non-novel winners, though, and I haven't put the time in yet. I did read "Timeline," however (more or less straight SF), and found it remarkably and actively unenjoyable, cliched, sentimental, and cheesy. And today I put the time in to read "The Merchant and the Alchemist's Gate" (more or less straight Fantasy) which I enjoyed quite a bit (and would highly recommend for sure), though I wished it might have been a bit more open ended.
I began to read a couple of the other nominees last night, including "Dark Integers" and "Memorare," but I was too tired to keep up with Gene Wolfe's prose (though I'm looking VERY forward to introducing myself to it at long last), and couldn't read "Dark Integers" beyond an early hackneyed joke about an iWatch and some unintelligible techno-babble. Which is not to say that the story is bad on the whole, but rather simply to say that it didn't have the first page stuff to make me want to find out.
Has anybody read any of these? I'd be extremely interested to hear what you all have to say, or just to hear your impressions about the awards in general.
Failing that, simply assume this to be an Open SFF Thread, and go to town. As you may have surmised from above, I'm not simply looking to discuss the awards, but also to learn of any books in the genre that others have enjoyed and that I might be able to get into.
And I'll make a poll as well.
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There must be more to that book, right?
If a fictional Jewish settlement in Alaska qualifies as Science Fiction or Fantasy, then any fiction set in modern times qualifies. How is that more SFF than, for instance, a Harlequin Romance. Both are equally science fictional and/or fantastic.
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by Bhaakon on Aug 10, 2008 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s a little bit of selective cow-breeding and some ambiguously “mystical” stuff that has to do with the Jewish faith… but outside of that, I can’t really think of anything that would even REMOTELY fit the bill.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Bhaakon
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by hairball on Aug 11, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the writing is better than a Harlequin Romance. That probably goes a long way.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 10, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
To a vegan, meat is meat. They don’t care whether it’s hamburger steak or filet mignon
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by Bhaakon on Aug 10, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not disagreeing with you. Like I said below, the SF community has been branching out of the hard SciFi and into Genre-crossing novels for decades now. But if we’re talking about why Chabon got nominated and not some Harlequin paperback, it’’s probably due to the prose.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does sound a bit shady that such a book would win an award in this genre. I would have liked to have seen some time traveling selectively bred cows or something.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. There’s a long history of alternate history as a sub-genre of science fiction. Prominent examples include Philip K. Dick’s The Man in the High Castle, set in contemporary, Japanese-ruled California after the Axis powers have won WWII, and Kim Stanley Robinson’s The Years of Rice and Salt, which covers centuries of alternate history after the entirety of Europe has been wiped out by bubonic plague. Neither are especially futuristic.
There are lots of other examples, too, but those are the ones I’ve read.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Man in the High Castle is just one notch below a masterpiece. And not only is it alternate-history, but it contains an alternate alternate-history story within it.
For a thorough A-H overdose, one word… Harry Turtledove. OK, two.
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by S.F. Giangst on Aug 11, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not surprised Michael Chabon won. The science fiction community has a history of roping in non-genre/genre-breaking novelists in order to popularize or legitimize the genre. Margaret Atwood comes to mind. (The story goes that she spurned numerous invitations to appear for the Handmaid’s Tale because she didn’t want her work to be labeled SF. Years later, she changed her mind, wrote Oryx and Crake and made a buttload of money by being shelved in the SF section.)
I can’t say whether or not Chabon deserved the victory as I hadn’t read any of the other novels. I will say that I’ve started the Yiddish Policeman’s Union, found it interesting, but not interesting enough for me to finish it. (I am, however, very picky about my novels, since I prefer short stories, so this isn’t a criticism of Chabon. I actually quite liked Chabon when I met him. Affable fellow. Looked a little like a deer in headlights the whole time. Jittery. Kind of awkward, really.)
I think I’m with you in that I grew up with SF, but haven’t read much of the newer stuff, because they seem to specialized, if that makes any sense. For example, I loved Ender’s Game, because while it was set in the future, it really dealt with subjects that literature explore: namely Life, Universe, and Everything (I also love Douglas Adams). On the other hand, a book like Greg Bear’s Darwin’s Radio, while engrossing, was too steeped in science for me to truly enjoy it. I finished it, but I’ve little inclination to read it again.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 10, 2008 11:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Edited to clarify that Margaret Atwood didn’t want to appear at SciFiCons for The Handmaid’s Tale.
Also I went through a similar phase of trying to reimmerse myself in SF earlier this year, which is how I came across Darwin’s Radio. I also read Lois McMaster Bujold in that span. Both were eh for me.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 10, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember anything else you enjoyed before the “falling out”?
I remember some of my old favorites being The Connie Willis books (as I said above), Marie Doria Russel’s The Sparrow, Dan Simmons’ Hyperion, a number of the many Star Wars books (though I don’t imagine those having the same appeal for me today), I did enjoy Ender’s Game, and anticipate enjoying Ender’s Shadow, Azimov’s Foundations (though I was never impressed by the writing), and Herbert’s Dune kind of blew my in ways that aren’t even legal in some states.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“blew my MIND in ways that…”
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by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the seventh Dune novel in paperback. It was written by Herbert’s kid and his sidekick Anderson from the old man’s notes. I’m almost afraid to reread it, but I really really want to know what happens after “Chapterhouse: Dune.”
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mostly read the classics. Philip K. Dick was one of my favorites, along with Asimov and Kurt Vonnegut. If you ever get a chance to read short stories from the Golden Age, they’re well worth it. Microcosmic God by Sturgeon and The Cold Equation by Godwin are two that I still remember. Science fiction at its best imo. I also remember quite liking Larry Niven’s Ringworld, though he’s become a right-wing dingbat who co-writes a lot of crap nowadays.
I actually just reread Dune last month. I’m of two minds about it. I think it’s good in the way that Tolkein’s LOTR was good—it defined a genre and took on an epic scope that few works do. But for whatever reason, I just can’t get engrossed in it. Maybe it’s the prose. Maybe it’s because I had read it after I read a lot of other SF, so it didn’t have the impact of novelty.
The only SF series I remember really blowing my mind is Phillip Pullman’s Her Dark Materials. If there’s any justice in the world he’ll be getting JK Rowling’s billions.
Thanks for the reminder on Hyperion. I’ve been meaning to read it, but I never can remember to check it out of the library.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of wonder what would happen if I read Dune today. I remember being completely blown away by the sheer scope and density of the prose, and it was probably one of my early experiences with actively noticing that the way the book was written was equally as painstaking as the way the story was told (which is kind of a dubious distinction), which is to say that it was probably one of the first things I read in which I noticed and paid attention to elements of craft, or rather which got me to notice elements of craft.
I’ve been meaning to re-read it for years now, but I think in the back of my heart I don’t want to be disappointed, and have put it off for that reason, among others.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2008 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and that should be His Dark Materials not Her. Doh moment for me.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Chabon give a reading in Berkeley with his wife (also a writer). He read a fairly touching short story that had to do, subtextually, with miscarraige, and more than likely came out of his own personal experience with miscarraige. I quite enjoyed it. During the Q&A, one person who insisted on taking advantage of being given the opportunity to ask one question by asking five before she gave up the mic, actually asked him “Are you the man who wrote the novel about a Parrot?”
Stupid members of the audience aside, that experience inspired me to read “Werewolves in Their Youth,” one of his short story collections. While I didn’t enjoy that very much (mostly, not at all), I was still interested enough in the author to see how he was with the novel form. And he’s a much better novel writer than he is a short story writer in my opinion, and appears to be a very nice man. And I’m happy to keep reading most of his novels until I get sick of them.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he is a better novelist than a short story writer. I just finished Summerland last week and found that quite enjoyable. Summerland probably also qualifies for SF.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 10, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ender’s Game and Speaker for the Dead are my two favorite novels. And I’ve read a lot of novels.
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by thehavenot on Aug 10, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Though, while I’ve read alot of novels, I can’t say that I’ve read alot of novels that would top many people’s favorites lists. Not literary critics’ lists, at any rate.
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by Bhaakon on Aug 10, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that I pay very little attention anyone who considers themselves to be a literary critic.
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by thehavenot on Aug 11, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great. You’ve made Michiko Kakutani cry. I hope you’re happy.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those be good books
And definitive SciFi
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by hairball on Aug 11, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The third book in the series didn’t impress me nearly as much, so I stopped there. Has anyone read the later books? Are they any good?
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and they’re average. The Bean series is more political intrigue and geopolitical machinations, which is interesting in their own right, but none really capture the essence of Ender’s Game.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I figured. Ender’s great, but I actually preferred the Alvin Maker books more. Again, I have only read the first three of those, and that was twenty years ago; my tastes are probably quite different now.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Xenocide and Children of the MInd aren’t as good as the first two.
Also, the whole shadow series is a…ahem…shadow of the Ender series.
Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoyed all of them. It’s just they didn’t measure up to the first two.
I also liked the Alvin Maker series. I’m still waiting for Master Alvin. I would actually recommend most of Orson Scott Card’s books. Particularly Pastwatch and Lost Boys (which really isn’t sci-fi).
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by thehavenot on Aug 11, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Ender’s Game, Speaker for the Dead and Ender’s Shadow and didn’t care for the rest.
And since I’ve found out what a faily guy Card is, it’s made me a bit :\ about the whole thing in general.
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by jponry on Aug 11, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Card's not faily
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by thehavenot on Aug 11, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, okay, a better way to say that is that he’s got some opinions I find to be extremely faily.
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by jponry on Aug 11, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The roster of great authors would be awful thin if you removed the crackpots.
just sayin’
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by Bhaakon on Aug 12, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that is a better way to put it
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by thehavenot on Aug 12, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by delorean on Aug 12, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty much.
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by jponry on Aug 12, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it wouldn't be a sci-fi discussion if it didn't eventually get here
This is not the forum for the type of discussion that would result from pursuing this but let me just say that, while I do not agree with everything Orson Scott Card says (which includes his particularly hard line against homosexual marriage), I find the essay in question much more reasoned and fair than the response that you linked to.
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by thehavenot on Aug 12, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I...
the only one who doesn’t really “get” Jon Scalzi? I have read both Old man’s War and the Ghost brigades and aside from being eminently readable, the novels don’t strike me as particularly special.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Aug 11, 2008 4:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Ringworld Is Unstable
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by S.F. Giangst on Aug 11, 2008 6:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, I really need to re-read those books again.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s good shit, Maynard. The whole Known Space collection is fairly wow.
Oh, and Niven and Pournelle are doing a sequel to Inferno. Escape from Hell, is set for a February 3, 2009 release. Allen Carpentier lives! Well, sort of…
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by S.F. Giangst on Aug 12, 2008 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kim stanley robinson
I’ve posted before about Robert J Sawyer, who has a novel on the list. I find him real compelling at times, especially the alternative/speculative series on intelligent velociraptors, “farseer”, fossil hunter, and foreigner.
I read several categories of books, including SF. The SF writer I can’t get enough of-has won several Hugos and other awards-Kim Stanley Robinson, who resides in Davis, CA, and thus could be a SFGiants fan.
I just finished being blown away by “Years of Rice and Salt”—altern-history, focusing on how science, exploration, and everything else develop after the plague kills virtually all the white people in Europe. So most of it is set in China & Central Asia, also India and the Americas a little. 10 sections, some of them actually novellas, about specific bits of progress. Great characters and tales. He manages to hook you with the characters, then you are led to think about the abstract/philosophical conflicts as they are driven by action.
Robinson’s Red Mars, Green Mars Blue Mars are well known, and fascinated me also. Sci Fi emphasizing geology, climate change, and the clash between science, economics, politics. And there’s a trilogy that I think may be aimed at teenagers. I only read the first, its hero is one—that’s the Wild Shore, Gold Coast, Pacific Edge.
And Robinson has a recent climate change trilogy I will be reading the next few months. Basically I think I better force myself to read something else just so my mind doesnt merge with his or something.
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by foothillsfan on Aug 11, 2008 8:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One Mars Two Mars Red Mars Blue Mars?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So glad...
...I wasn’t drinking coffee when I read that. Bad Baron!
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mars trilogy is on my “to read” list.
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by thehavenot on Aug 11, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read Red Mars earlier this year and definitely enjoyed it. I have the other two on my shelves, but haven’t gotten around to it. There’s also a short story collection set in the same world called The Martians – I haven’t picked that up, though.
I must say, though, I liked The Years of Rice and Salt (described elsewhere in this fanpost) a lot more. It was amazingly engrossing and really just kind of staggering.
Of course, if you’re one of these people offended by the notion that alternate history is science fiction…
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read the first two volumes of the climate change trilogy, and they reminded me why I quit reading science fiction. The science/tech/research crowds out the characters/plot/ideas; the writing is often clumsy; and, most of all, the books are insanely repetitive and sluggish. This last, I suppose, is generally the fault of the publishing industry (aided and abetted by readers), which demands that every decent idea be fluffed up into a trilogy (or worse!).
That said, they’re pretty great and mind-blowing books. I’m looking forward to reading the third and moving on to Years of Rice and Salt.
by Evan on Aug 11, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Know...
Discussions of Rush and science fiction awards? This FanPost isn’t going to help McC’s repuation as the nerdiest baseball site on the Internet. Not that that’s a bad thing.
I grew up on Asimov, del Rey, Farmer, Heinlein, Clarke, et al. Sadly, that type of SF is all but dead, and I’ve long since falled out of the habit of reading it. I think I’m still bummed that space travel hasn’t progressed nearly as quickly as those old masters had portrayed in their works.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's my f'ing jet pack
we were promised jet packs
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by delorean on Aug 11, 2008 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I saw a report recently that someone’s about to announce a practical personal jetpack.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you mean
+1 ? I mean, that is how us nerds express, “Sweet”, right? (checks handbook)
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by hairball on Aug 11, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine must be out of date. It still says use “chillax” for all occasions.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're out of date?
I still default to “hella bitchin’!”
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flying car, too. Popular Mechanics said I’d have one and I want it.
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by S.F. Giangst on Aug 11, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had to take away the jet packs because people wouldn’t use them responsibly.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 11, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf is the point of having a jet pack if you’re going to use it responsibly??!?
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by delorean on Aug 11, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
One of my favorite books is called “The Hugo Award Winners”. It was the first compilation of SF short stories. Each story was prefaced with an amusing story about the author by Asimov.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 11, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that collection. It was quite good.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My SF/Fantasy pedigree
Such as it is.
I was a voracious consumer of fantasy as a kid: Tolkien, Terry Brooks, Robert Adams, Anne McCaffrey, all that shit. I was totally into D&D, and then added drugs to the mix, which really helped me appreciate Michael Moorcock. I’m pretty sure that in my teens I read everything he had ever written. Loved all that goofy shit.
Became an English major somewhere in there, which left little time for pleasure reading. Sorta got my feet wet again with WIlliam Gibson (early, good; recent, not so much) and Snowcrash (one of the greatest books I have ever read). Everything by Stephenson other than Snowcrash, though, has been ghastly (IMHO). I’d love to find something as awesome as Snowcrash or the Sprawl Trilogy stuff, if anyone has recco’s.
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by delorean on Aug 11, 2008 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A friend loaned me Snowcrash. He said if I enjoyed the films Dark City and the Matrix, I would enjoy Snowcrash.
Well, I did not. SF just isn’t a genre I can get into, I suppose.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cyberpunk != SF
Well, it’s a very niche subgenre of SF, and one I’ve never really enjoyed. It felt like a triumph of style over substance. Worse, it feels rather dated now, at least to me.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I get that cyberpunk isn’t sci-fi and sci-fi isn’t cyberpunk. I just don’t care for sci-fi to begin with and the friend thought well hey try this then you might find it palatable. Me not liking sci-fi was one of the major reasons why I didn’t get on board with Firefly until a few years ago.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
I like SF, but I’ve never really cottoned to Firefly. I suppose it’s because I don’t worship Whedon like some folks do, but it’s all good. I don’t have to like what all my friends do, and vice versa.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Whedon-verse scares the everloving snot out of me with its insane fandom, so that was the other big factor. But yeah, you’re right about differing tastes not affecting the friendships. I just say, hey more for you guys!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cyberpunk is alot more SF than alternate history
Also, I liked Diamond Age better than Snow Crash.
I like the Baroque Cycle alot too, sort of a funky kind of historical Science Fiction. It’s not for everyone, though.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Aug 11, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being an English major, you might appreciate the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons, which has been mentioned above. It mixes space opera with all sorts of literary references (for example, an android carrying the personality of John Keats is a character) and is really quite wonderful.
I also like his more recent two-novel series, Ilium and Olympos, which are steeped in Greek mythology, although some didn’t.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moorcock
With a name like that, you’d think he was playing third base for the Giants this year.
I have read just about bit of Eternal Champion stuff that Mike has ever written (except for the new “old-school” Elric story which appeared in Weird Tales earlier this year). Yeah, his work can be terribly even, but when he’s on, he’s freaking on.
His health has been “meh” to “ugh” for some time, so I’m bracing against the day when he passes on.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't know he was unwell
very sad. he was a huge influence on me as a wayward teen.
partying with Hawkwind must really take its toll, though.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 11, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Not to mention Motorhead. Anyway, Mike’s official website is multiverse.org. He has a forum there and posts pretty frequently from his home in Texas. Yes, Texas. No, I don’t get it either.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fuck??
thanks for the intel, skaldheim.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 11, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bastrop is nice, man. Don’t knock it.
One of these days I’m going to go back and reread Cornelius, Glogauer, Dancers at the End of Time, all those books that knocked me out in high school. Wonder if they hold up?
by Evan on Aug 11, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rendevous With Rama still in development. Morgan Freeman to star.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 11, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely no idea how they’re going to turn that book into a film.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won’t be easy and it will probably end up being really talky or not very faithful to the book. They’ll have to add mitichlorians and take away the power armor if you get me.
Another book-to-screen adaptation in the works is World War Z and that’s going to be a tough one, but JMS is on the case so it probably won’t suck. Really, really looking forward to it.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 12, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like star wars
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a huge fan of the genre
Currently knee-deep in all things Jim Butcher – really fun, low key reading – good entertainment.
Also still plugging along on Terry Brooks – he’s gotten so much better as a writer since his first trilogy – so its been fun to keep up with him.
The George RR Martin books really are amazing, but I’m worried he’ll pull a Jordan and die before he finishes – that’d really suck.
Otherwise, some old classics inclide Eddings, Goodkind (though he could’ve cut a few whole books of rhetoric out of his series), David Drake, Robin Hobb – post more and I’ll be happy to discuss at length.
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Aug 11, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading a book of Robin Hobb’s on the recommendation of a friend (something titled the Assassin’s Apprentice maybe? I can’t quite remember) and finding it quite enjoyable. I didn’t read the rest of the series though.
by RougeGorrila on Aug 11, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The assassin series (2 trilogies) was quite good
She has a knack for making you feel terrible for her main characters – I think she’s taken it too far in her new trilogy (soldier’s son, but meh).
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Aug 11, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GRRM
I am a fan of fantasy fiction, but I really hate the trend of “epic doorstop series” that people like Jordan and Eddings have promulgated since the ‘80s. That being said, GRRM’s “Song of Ice and Fire” is an absolute masterpiece (so far), transcending the limitations of the genre and breaking every rule of fantasy fiction with utter disdain and cruelty. I too fear for his health - he looks a hell of a lot older than he is - but I am glad that he’s taking the time to make each book a good one.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its fair to include Eddings
His solo stuff was really good, and afaik all wrapped up. The stuff he’s done with his wife Leigh is a little less good.
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Aug 11, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I found Eddings’ early work to be uninspired to the point of cynicism. He seemed to be proving a point to himself that epic Tolkienesque fantasy worked along a strict formula. It was all structure with no passion or heart whatsoever. However, I understand that his books are very popular, and that many do not share that opinion.
Of course, I don’t think I’ve ever read a Tolkienesque fantasy that I actually liked, aside from Tolkien himself, so take that for what it’s worth.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that's fair criticism
But I thought that he provided a good amount of humor to balance things out.
YMMV :)
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Aug 11, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robert Jordan
As crappy as his series became, it’s still a shame that he died before finishing it. I remember making jokes with a friend who was also reading the Wheel of Time that he’d probably die before finishing. Well, it’s not so funny when it turns out to come true.
Of course, the real shame is that such a fantastic series (the first five or six books were really good) ended up the way it did.
Only 857 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 11, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, it will be finished – Jordan had extensive notes and had written some, and a younger fantasy writer, Brandon Sanderson, has been hired to to finish it.
The quality definitely fell off the cliff midway through the series. I thought that the last book written before Jordan’s death was actually not bad, though.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know
But, it was his life’s work. He should have been the one to finish it. Of course, it might actually be better being written by somebody else…
Only 857 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Aug 11, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small world
Daniel Abraham, one of the nominees, used to date one of my dearest friends. He’s a nice, thoughtful guy who drinks a lot of coffee.
They came over to our apartment once, and I tried to make coffee only to find some kind of long-dead worm in the can of chicory. We all laughed, and he didn’t drink any of the coffee.
by Dan from NM on Aug 11, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ew
But funny.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Best
I can’t let an SF/fantasy discussion thread go by without singing the praises of my favorite author of all time—the late, great Roger Zelazny. His works are nearly all out of print now, but he won several Hugos and Nebulas early on for some mindblowing works of “New Wave” SF. He’s best known for the classic “Amber” series, but his other works could be even better.
If you’ve never read Zelazny before, a good gateway book is one of his last: “A Night In The Lonesome October.” It’s a little story told by Snuff…Jack the Ripper’s dog. Saying more would be too much, but it’s excellent. After that, buy “The Big Book of Amber” for $15 and prepare to have your mind blown. Then proceed to “Lord of Light” and everything else.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lord of Light . . .
is one of my favorite books of any genre.
The short story, A Rose for Ecclesiastes is excellant as well.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Aug 11, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that was another great one.
It’s funny, over the years his book “Jack of Shadows” (which has nothing to do with Amber, surprisingly) has been almost completely forgotten, but it was a really good early example of gritty SF or fantasy (depending on what side of the world Jack was on that day). Without Zelazny, would we have Brust, or Gaiman?
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, this fanpost won’t get laid until well into its 20s, mostly because of its own whining about how girls don’t like it.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recursive
Girls don’t like whining in general.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is very true.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the exception of when it comes from themselves.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 11, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course. It really is all about me.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no u
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/furiously scribbles down notes
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 11, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other things women don't like
- Venereal disease
- Extensively mildewed furniture
- Vast collections of bestiality and incest-themed porn hidden under your mattress
- Sex offender status
- Intensely creepy relationship with your mother
- Unabomber-style shacks
- Scabies medication in plain view
- The word “moist”
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And we don't like brussels sprouts
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
by tk on Aug 11, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s just crazy. Brussels sprouts, prepared well, are delicious.
Although actually, there is a chemical found in them (and also cilantro, I think) that only some people can taste, that’s apparently overwhelming and awful. Poor people.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm that must be why it’s either fly or die for cilantro with people.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I have a similar issues with a lot of strongly bitter foods – they’re just inedible to me. For this reason, I can’t eat dark chocolate, which makes me a scorned outcast in my family.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now with me!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"prepared well"
I submit there is no way to prepare them well.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preparing them well is science fiction.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says who?! With a drizzle of olive oil and lemon juice, tossed in some sea salt and black pepper, those little buggers are tasty!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A while back, I roasted some coated with cornmeal, garam masala, coriander, cumin, cinnamon, cayenne pepper, and probably some other stuff too. SO GOOD. Gotta do that again.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do want!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what the next McCoven gathering should be? A pot luck. That would be mmm mmm good.
Except we’d have to have someone with enough space who’s willing to let us all into his or her Unabomber-style shack.
And I love that even fanposts about science fiction eventually turn to food talk.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be fun! I’d host you all but then you’d have to contend with my getting-crazier-by-the-day grandmother and homicidal cats, plus I’m not a great housekeeper so the place looks like a wreck.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE BRUSSELS SPROUTS :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 11, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jcb9 is correct
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define “vast”
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by groug on Aug 11, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, asking for clarification isn’t going to help.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 11, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to put a solid number to it. There are a lot of variables – for example, what animals are involved? How closely related are the family members? Are they members of YOUR family, or just random stuff pulled of the net?
HTH.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't read this genre (not for lack of trying)
but I know two people who know Elizabeth Bear, Hugo Award Winner. So I think I’ll have to check her story out. Brush with fame!
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by tk on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stephenson
i liked snowcrash, and also “the diamond age.” Reading reviews scared me off the recent ones. I have started Zodiac and put it down. Hm, could use that as my respite from KS Robinson
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by foothillsfan on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t read Cryptonomicon yet, but it’s a hugely popular book among other folks in my family – including my grandmother, who doesn’t like science fiction at all.
by jcb9 on Aug 11, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I hated Cryptonomicon so much
I got to the end and was all WTF>?!? I suffered thought 9,003,402 pages of artless prose for THAT????
Dude needs an editor like no one has ever needed an editor before.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 11, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll plus-one that. Also, Thomas Pynchon should have sued.
by Evan on Aug 11, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
editing
these days I often think, man, are they afraid to edit this because of reputation or something?
the clan of the cave bear—first book, anyway, was innovative and gripping. Then she writes several more, and has no idea of pacing or plotting, and she includes all this descriptive padding; lots more problems too. But they would have been fun if edited and shortened. Dan Brown can tell a good tale but buries it with posturing and implausibility.
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by foothillsfan on Aug 11, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball time travel
“If I never get back” by Darryl Brock
guy accidentally zips back in time to the start of professional baseball. Meets players. Still has his current knowledge of where the game would go, and tries to teach strategy.
I found it excellent. It has a full on plot, conspiracies, love & sex, the whole deal
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by foothillsfan on Aug 11, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ooh! I’m all over this!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a sequel to this book too. If I’m not mistaken, Brock used to write for the Chronicle too and some of the story takes place in San Francisco.
Speed, defense... and an almost fanatical devotion to getting picked off.
by SF Pete on Aug 11, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball and SF don't meet up very often...
...but when they do it can be fun.
http://www.sff.net/people/jack.haldeman/slugger.htm
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 12, 2008 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He must’ve had a hell of a time calculating VORP without a PC.
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by Skaldheim on Aug 12, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
darryl brock
from amazon, the sequel is “two in the field” and there’s less baseball content. Mixed reviews. Anybody read it?
Yeah, I just remembered the scenes near Cliff House from “never get back”. Most of it’s around Ohio though, nice writing.
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by foothillsfan on Aug 12, 2008 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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