Today's Lineup
by sfgiantsfan4life on Aug 1, 2008 4:25 PM PDT
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Rf Winn
Ss Ochoa
Lf Lewis
C Molina
Cf Rowand
1b Bowker
3b Castillo
2b Burriss
P Lincecum
Maybe the Giants really are going to move toward playing the younger players. The real question is how long this lasts.
I am surprised that they moved Lewis to the 3 hole. Not sure if that is a good place for him, but he is definately better fit for the 3 hole than Winn.
What is your reaction to the supposedly "new look" Giants and how long do you think this will last?
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Sabean’s comments yesterday about moving Lewis scared me. He said something about wanting to see Lewis in the middle of the order so they could see him “not worry about getting on base so much.” I don’t want them to mess with his approach.
And Aurilia should be in instead of Castillo. He is infinitely better/Bochy is an idiot.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Aug 1, 2008 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They finally have the answer!
Forget this getting-on-base business. I want more gritty .275/.290 with 20 HRs!
Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 1, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Somebody on our team is going to hit 20 homers!?
by mark30perq3 on Aug 1, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his career? Sure.
The All-Father is now a Giant!
by EliminateMe on Aug 1, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop joshing!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 1, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no I think it's supposed to be the team total for this year
by boonitez on Aug 1, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s be fair here. It’s one thing to be selective at the plate, and it’s another to continually take called strike threes on pitches right down the middle. Last time I looked, Freddie was second or third in the league at taking called strike threes. I have no problem with Freddie getting more aggressive at the plate, especially with two strikes on him. It’s not like they’ll be telling him to start studying tapes of Pedro Feliz atbats.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Aug 2, 2008 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like they’ll be telling him to start studying tapes of Pedro Feliz atbats.
Good Gawds now I need my brain scrubbed with a bleach solution to be rid of that image. An Immage were Lewis is strapped into a chair, with his eye lids pried open, head held to look at a screen with 1000’s of hours of Feliz At Bats. All in some deserted warehouse were only threats might he him scream.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Aurillia
This team is much less fun to watch with Castillo playing instead of Aurilia.
by cheno on Aug 1, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo is still young, and I’m guessing the youth movement includes seeing if he can play a little. Which he can’t, but at least they’re staying true to their word..
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by lmaozedong on Aug 1, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Chance of Castillo being the long-term answer at 3B: .00001%
Chance of Aurilia being the long-term answer at 3B: 0.0%
With no malice toward Richie.
The All-Father is now a Giant!
by EliminateMe on Aug 1, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Richie is 3 to 4 times the gamer Castillo is.
by Nellieball on Aug 1, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean called all these changes yesterday on the radio. He said they were going to experiment by moving guys in different spots(like Lewis in the 3 hole). Burriss is also going to be getting time at the lead off spot. also it should be noted that Bochy has pretty much been relieved of his line up making duties. Sabean and his crew are going to be “helping” Bochy with the lineup.
by superk1ng on Aug 1, 2008 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Precursor to Bochy being relieved of ALL of his duties at the end of the season, perhaps?
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
by Kitspool on Aug 1, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad idea.
Replace Bochy with Wotus, shifting Kelly or Flannery to bench coach duties. Heck, we even have Tom Trebelhorn managing Salem-Keizer in his native Oregon. Steve Decker? Still, I think Wotus should have been the original choice for the job.
by klemente on Aug 1, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 1, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really trust Sabean over Bochy?
by rotorueter on Aug 1, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly, yes
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 1, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem.
Bochy is a “player’s manager” with little-to-no baseball IQ as far as strategy is concerned. Sounds like Baker, but with a better feel for managing a pitching staff. Youth is not a positive for him—past results and tenure guide his decision making process. Not a secret. He did the same in San Diego.
by klemente on Aug 1, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see Bochy fired, but I’m not sure that’s what’s going to happen. More probably it’s Sabes telling the veteran players not to be mad at the manager for benching them, but to be mad at him instead. If anything, Sabean is actually protecting Bochy here. That being said, I believe Sabean will sit down with Bochy after the season and discuss their strategies going forward. If Bochy is not committed to playing the kids next season he will then be fired. The only problem here is that I expect Bochy to say whatever he thinks Sabean will want to hear to keep his job.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Aug 2, 2008 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trust as a relitive measure? yes.
Trust as an absolute? Either would sell us a bridge if they could. Sabean just might be smart ( scared?) enough to realize we would not buy a bridge right now.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Please! Oh Please!! Oh Please!!!!
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flopping Lewis & Winn
is something I’ve been behind for like 2 months now. C’mon Freddie!
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
by j14 on Aug 1, 2008 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FREE IVAN O--hey, cool!
The All-Father is now a Giant!
by EliminateMe on Aug 1, 2008 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just would like to know how come he was not given the # 8 or # 88?
yes i’ll go back to my geeky little corner and resume bothering my family members.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I thought Randy and Bengie were a solid 3-4 combo.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 1, 2008 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just threw up a little in my mouth
by Viliphied on Aug 1, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya I love Lewis in the 3 hole
at least over Winn
by fwoty oz on Aug 1, 2008 7:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the stats are there.
1-0
Rafael Rodriguez: Pretty young!
by BrianBokake on Aug 1, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we know
Sabean was telling the truth. This probably should have happened months ago, but I can see the point of trying to play the vets to see if they can build trade value like Durham did by having a nice bounce back year. Too bad the others either sucked too much or were deemed too valuable to trade….
Nice to see that they did what Sabean claimed would happen. Been awhile since that has occurred. Hopefully Bochy is gone next year. Get some younger, newer blood in there who has a clue.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 1, 2008 10:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabean rocks!!
Not really, but I have adopted him, so I have to stick up for him a little. I was kind of pissed off at him for not making a deadline move, but the more I think about it, the more I don’t mind. Why should he help another team if they won’t give him shit to help the Giants?? Fuck ‘em all!!
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Aug 2, 2008 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should he help another team if they won’t give him shit to help the Giants??
becuase we need to help ourselves.
How ever i am fully behind your master plan.
Fuck ‘em all!!
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to annoint him a truthsayer yet (not after one game). I’ve been burned by that before.
I’ll wait a month or two (convenient time frame, eh?), and then make this judement.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally
SF finally moved Lewis to a run producing spot in the order. Would prefer Rowand hit 4th and Molina 5th
by wilriv21 on Aug 1, 2008 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would’ve preferred that at from the beginning of the season.
by Natto on Aug 1, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope SF sends Velez back down to play everyday in Fresno. SF then could promote Travis Ishikawa and give him a tryout at 1b.
by wilriv21 on Aug 1, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Pablito
From Andrew Baggarly:
If the Giants decide to demote Velez, they might replace him with Double-A catcher/first baseman Pablo Sandoval. The 21-year-old switch-hitter is tearing up the Eastern League. Bochy said his current plan is to play first baseman John Bowker every day, including against left-handers. But that plan could be amended when Sandoval joins the club.
by wilriv21 on Aug 1, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nooooooooooo
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 1, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they can still play Bowker in the OF. Winn doesn’t need to play everyday and Lewis has a bunion problem going on.
by superk1ng on Aug 1, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pleased with the lineup
This is what we should be doing the day after the trade deadline. I don’t have the numbers to back this up, but I think we’ve seen more player’s first games this season than in all of 2002-2007 put together. Seems like it anyway.
Good to see Freddie in the 3 hole. Strange that a guy whose minor league numbers weren’t great adapted so well to the bigs.
Assuming we pick up a big 1b bat then we’ll just have the black hole at 3B to fill and the Giants will have a contending team with a solid foundation. I think we’ve seen the worst.
by Change Up on Aug 2, 2008 12:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baggarly gives a Q&A on the lineup changes
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/08/02/everything-you-could-possibly-want-to-know-about-the-giants-lineup-changes-and-youth-movement/
I like this part
Q: Why does Bruce Bochy keep pulling Tim Lincecum after seven innings and his pitch count over 110?
A: Because it’s the right thing to do. If you don’t understand why, read this. I couldn’t express it any better. Also, Lincecum used the word "jelly" to describe how his legs felt after seven innings Friday. There’s a bad joke about jelly and "preserving" Lincecum somewhere in there, but I’ll spare you. You’re welcome.
by superk1ng on Aug 2, 2008 2:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did he have to work out of many jams?
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 2, 2008 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, he linked to Grant’s post from the other day!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Aug 2, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Now we can all get on with complaining about how crappy and unworthy the young players are.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Aug 2, 2008 7:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
regrettably true. Turning kids into players isn’t a pretty process, and any 24 year old who hits an 0-20 patch is likely to draw pronouncements more appropriate to disposable diapers than a kid who is still learning. I’ve sad it before and I’ll say it again, Giants fans eat thier young…..
by ProspectHound of the Baskervilles on Aug 2, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we call those people Dodger double agent and begin “extracting” information from them? Pleeeassse!!!
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good. But please keep in mind that if you’re going for fingernail turture, using canned bamboo shoots is about as useless as Joe Castle in an RBI situation.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 2, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am thinking 1000’s of hours of force viewing of Pedro batting.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Peter? Or Peter of the Sacred Valley?
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 2, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for full effect Hapy pete. we want to “encourge” these people after al. No?
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are an Abundant Font of Evil and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Aug 2, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just trying to do my part to keep hope alive.
Ivan Ochoa - Heir to the legacy of Rob Andrews & Rikkert Faneyte!
by daveinexile on Aug 2, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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