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I want to promote Aaron Rowand for the final All-Star spot. I really do. A centerfielder who hits .299/.364/.460 while playing good defense is a valuable player. An All-Star, even. MLB.com even provides little widgets for sites like this to promote Rowand. Lookie here:

 

 

Fancy. Except Rowand just had a terrible June (.225/.275/.343). And his defense doesn’t bring me lemonade on a hot day. It’s fine defense, don’t get me wrong. The in-season numbers have him as the finest in the land. So it’s possible that the balls dropping just in front of Rowand would have dropped well in front of other players. Maybe I’m relying on my eyes too much. But it ain’t enough to swing my vote just yet.

He’s hitting better in July, and he’s still a Giant. And he will be for a long, long time. So it’d be nice to see a third Giant at the All-Star Game. So, the more the merrier. Even if Rowand weren’t having a good year, sometimes you just have to vote for the laundry.

But Pat Burrell and Carlos Lee are having monster years. Man, what I wouldn't give to have an actual cleanup hitter....

But they’re doing it in hitter’s parks, and their supplementing the offense with poor defense. Corey Hart hasn’t been doing much better than Rowand, especially when defense and position are part of the equation. David Wright isn’t…

You see, the thing about David Wright is…

Uh huh. Apparently, David Wright is a much better choice for the final spot. He has a .383 on-base percentage, 17 homers, and he plays good defense at a key position. Which leads us to the…

Comment starter: Do you vote for Rowand anyway? Loyalty over logic? I could see either way, to be honest….

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I voted twice for Rowand and Longoria. Rowand’s been pretty good, maybe not the best player for the options available, but I guess I gotta support the Giants on this one.

The Varitek selection is still retarded.

by xanthan on Jul 9, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Screw that

Rowand needs to just rest for those days

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Jul 9, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

re: his fielding

John Dewan’s Plus/Minus system has Rowand at 0, which I think is dead average

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Jul 9, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

He played in the all-star game last year. Let him rest. Go David Wright!!

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Jul 9, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point. He’s probably either run into a wall or take a shit in the ribs.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

A nasty shit in the ribs.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Jul 9, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which celebrity would host the telethon for that, uh, ailment?

I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."

by Mayor of 311 on Jul 9, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

GG Allin

God rest his soul

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 9, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Corey Hart kinda looks like one of those Geico Cavemen.

by xanthan on Jul 9, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I voted 25x for Rowand and Longoria

Cuz that is how I roll.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 9, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

“Even if Rowand weren’t having a good year, sometimes you just have to vote for the laundry.”

Sometimes you do have to vote for the laundry, particularly in the case of the Giants. Rowand is having a good year. Certainly much better than I expected him to have. The outfield of the Giants is having a pretty decent year as a matter of fact. I have a friend (who is a Dodger Fan BTW) comment on Randy Winn the other day. He was extremely p*ssed of at how well Winn plays the wall at AT&T. His team wins two out of three in my house and he’s still cranky. pfftttt…Dodger Fans.

So..my vote goes for the laundry and the gamer-ness of Rowand.

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jul 9, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of Dodgers fans

My lifelong LA Dodgers fan went to his first game of the season last night and sent me this report on Andruw Jones aka But For The Grace of Ned Colletti Go Us:

It’s just shocking what a hollow shell he is of the beautiful, amazing player he used to be. He’s literally lost all five tools that he used to have. His body language is terrible-he walks more slowly to his position than a 45-year-old starting pitcher. Physically he looks just awful. At the plate he seems to be entirely guessing. I have no idea why he’s starting-even with his contract, I’d think Torre would have the cajones to sit him down and let Juan Pierre, or anyone else, play.

Needless to say, my friends glum email filled me with glee. That’s Schadenfreude for ya.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Jul 9, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

errr

lifelong LA Dodgers fan friend, that is.

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Jul 9, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was about to say

I didn’t know you could legally own a Dodger fan.

Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 9, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

and even if you could, why would you want to?

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Jul 9, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

City Of San Francisco Resolution 48-2008

make “owning” a Dodger Fan illegal at All Times, except during a winning series by the Giants at At&T Park :-)

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jul 9, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow

how wrong I was to support the Giants signing him to a 2 year $10-15 million per year contract. This makes me ecstatic

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jul 9, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

How wrong? REALLY wrong! Unbelievably wrong! BANNED wrong!

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

one of the fun things about disagreeing with Front Office moves

is how good it feels to be wrong.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 9, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I keep wondering whether Jones was juicing. I’ve never seen suspician mentioned, but his HR spiked awfully quickly and dropped just as quickly at an age when that shouldn’t have been expected.

Again, I never hear him mentioned like so many other guys, but it makes me wonder. Thoughts?

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

“I keep wondering whether Jones was juicing. “

I don’t think we have to wonder anymore. Thought it last year, and this year just reinforces the opinion. The Bonds “witch hunt” still goes on, but of course he was the only guy using :-(

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jul 9, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, him and Notgardo.

by paboperfecto on Jul 9, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are quiet a few players

Who had a “sudden” drop in performance, especially power, after approximately the 2006 season.

Brian Giles, Bill Hall, Ray Durham, etc

Coincidence?

Gee Coach, I dunno – I just can’t seem to hit the ball as far as last year…

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 9, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying that there isn’t any credence to all this, as I wouldn’t feign to pretend that there isn’t, but I’m also sure there are plenty of players who experience sudden declines in power (in performance) every season. Wild speculation is fun, and most of these players probably did have PED related career shifts… but without something less circumstantial, I’m more inclined to cast a wide net than point specific fingers.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 9, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi, My name is Brian Giles

and in 2002 I hit 38 home runs.

The next year I hit 20, and then 23, 15, 14, 13 after that. Oops, what happened?

Also, in 1998 I hit 16 home runs, the following year I hit 39. Awesome!

Yes, there are potential other factors/explanations – but I am highly suspect of any player who experienced a step function up or down (and especially both!) in power in the last 10 years.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 9, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being suspect is fine by me, but I get a little iffy when things get this close to being accusations. I imagine I’m probably just reading your suspicions more strongly than you’re stating them, though.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 9, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be honest

I think that basically every player in the ML between 1995 and 2006 probably utilized PED to some extent, so I don’t feel too bad about throwing around accusations on the internet to that effect.

Certainly not singling anyone out.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 9, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is a spectacularly normal rise and fall, particularly when you take into account playing time and Petco.

I mean, look at the home run numbers for this guy and this guy and this guy and this guy, chosen more or less at random. Juicers all?

by Evan on Jul 9, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say normal..

Sure, you can find other players who experiences similar situations.

However, on average it is much less of a step function.

Like I said, there are plenty of other credible explanations – I just think in light of everything else it is not rediculous to be suspicious.

I mean, cmon – Aurilia hi 37 HR in 2001 and 15 in 2002.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, let's run through that again...

...your friend has no idea why Torre isn’t starting Juan Pierre?

Well duh…he’s Juan Pierre.

Andruw Jones at least has a history of non-suckitude to offer the remote promise of returning to.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 9, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also Juan Pierre is injured.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Jul 9, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

By this logic

We should certainly try to acquire Bill Hall.

Just think, if he could return to form!

Buy Low!

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 9, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fifth!

Rowand’s throws past the cut-off man annoy me, but I like him. I’m too lazy too vote.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Anagram of "Should I vote for Aaron Rowand?"

NO! AWFUL HORRORS, OVATION DEAD

David Wright it is.

Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 9, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

But wait – what’s the anagram for “Should I vote for David Wright?”

It's my blarg! Quick Pitch

by can of corn on Jul 9, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anagram of "Should I vote for David Wright?"

GOOD! IS VIVID, WRATHFUL, RED-HOT

Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 9, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That seals it, then – David Wright ftw!

It's my blarg! Quick Pitch

by can of corn on Jul 9, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude

You need a hobby.

other than Anagrams, I mean.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 9, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anagram of "Tamargo needs a hobby"

HE OBEY BASTARD MANGO

Uh…I think maybe I did it wrong.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 9, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who holds the record for "most times hit by a baseball in a season"?

Not just HBP’s, but fouling the ball off of yourself. Rowand seems to do that more often than most

Adopted Giant: Aaron King

Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Jul 9, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe that Biggio holds the record for HBP. Who’s tracking the ” total times hit by a baseball during a season” stat. This is baseball after all. There is a stat for everything :-)

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jul 9, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand's defense is overrated

just because he crashes into walls doesn’t make him a great defender. He is a good defender, but based on my personal observation this year, he’s never heard of a “cut-off man” and his arm isn’t that good. Wright is a total stud. Lee is a total stud. Burrell is having a monster season. Hart wears sunglasses at night. Rowand is a gamer.

Lee .294/.341/.551/OPS+ 133, 4 SBs
Wright .288/.383/.510/OPS+137, 9 SBs
Hart 296/.336/.510/OPS+ 120, 13 SBs
Burrell .281/.413/.590/OPS+ 157, 0 SBs
Rowand 299/.364/.460/OPS+ 117, 1 SB

Rowand is having a decent season, and his numbers are comparable to Hart, but Lee, Wright and Burrell are having significantly better seasons offensively. I don’t watch the All-Star game for defense, so frankly, Rowand’s defense doesn’t factor in. I want to see homers in the All-Star game, which is played in an AL park this year and will feature the DH. Lee, Burrell and Wright should get the votes.

Personally, I’d vote for Burrell because I have Lee and Wright on my fantasy teams and I DON’T want them anywhere near the home run derby and I want them to have the time off, cuz that’ll jack up their swings for the 2nd half.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 9, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

You might want to include me on that list of total studs.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, because nobody would think to say it.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 9, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If by “nobody” you mean “everybody”, then I agree.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well everybody would think to say “it” but not “Goofus is a stud” or any permutation of that phrase.

I mean, that’s just plain silly.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Jul 9, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh shoot, you’re right. I keep making that mistake.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 9, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if it stopped counting them at 25

but I voted Rowand + Longoria well over 100 times the other day while I was watching a game

Definitely loyalty over logic for the all star game. Gotta pick up our boy.

by fwoty oz on Jul 9, 2008 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think it does,

because we have only 3-4 days to vote.

Anyway I voted for Rowand a ridiculous amount of times just because woo Rowand WOOOOOO!

Don't you it's gonna be all right. But not right now.

by Revolution1 on Jul 9, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a Gamer-voting homer

Just to piss off those people that hate the fact that the Giants have two All-Stars already.

by rightcenterfielder on Jul 9, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

doesnt matter, i cant really see wright losing, he does play in new york after all. have you guys checked out the AL line up? 6 starters from Boston and NY and only like 2 deserve it

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Jul 9, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

with that said

im voting for rowand just in case

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Jul 9, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Corey Hart was actually leading the last time I checked.

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by Natto on Jul 9, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The AL lineup every year:

Red Sox, Yankees, Ichiro, and maybe 1 or 2 other guys tearing it up in April/May

by rightcenterfielder on Jul 9, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Rowand and Longoria 3 times.

That was the extent of my Giants loyalty.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Jul 9, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I just want Longoria to win for the AL because I haven’t had the chance to see him play yet. And he’s arguably been the best player in the AL so far this year.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 9, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's the thing

The AS game is now just a popularity contest. If they were smart, you’d only get to vote once, and that would make things a bit more logical. Even then, all the stupid BoSox fans would keep voting Varitek in there. And you know, when in Rome…

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jul 9, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

if you didn't catch it

that post means you should vote for Rowand

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jul 9, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tried to catch it...

BUT I ran into the outfield wall!

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Jul 9, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also keep in mind...

that someone has to replace Soriano, so its likely that the NL OF who is second in voting after this will take that spot.

Don't you it's gonna be all right. But not right now.

by Revolution1 on Jul 9, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

If I cared enough to vote, I’d vote for Dye. Local guy, cool dude. I always wished the Giants had made Dye an offer he couldn’t refuse. I’d love to have him in RF, Winn in CF and Rowand’s money spent elsewhere.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I like how SF Giants urges us to vote for Rowand and Jermaine Dye because Dye is a Bay Area native. I can totally get behind that though

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by Natto on Jul 9, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I read that the Giants and White Sox agreed to plug each others’ guys since Rowand was a Chisox and Dye was a Bay Area guy. That’s actually some sound marketing strategy going on there.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

cuz Pat Burrell doesn't have local ties?

He went to San Lorenzo HS before transferring to Bellarmine in San Jose.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 9, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

My guess

is they assume that Dye has better name recognition in the Bay Area from his time with the A’s. Plus, Rowand seems to be a bigger folk hero in Chicago than Philadelphia.

by rightcenterfielder on Jul 9, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burrell is in the NL though. Can’t exactly ask the fans to vote for him.

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by Natto on Jul 9, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I vote for him a lot

Him and Longoria, because I’ve never seen the latter play on tv, and I’d like to.

Without actually watching an A’s game.

Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.

by Andy from DC on Jul 9, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Cory Hart doesn’t play very good defense because he wears his sunglasses at night.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 9, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I did not vote for Rowand. I don’t go with loyalty, I go with who I think deserves to be an All-Star.

I voted for Longoria and Corey Hart. Although if I vote again before the cut-off I’m voting for Wright.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 9, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Voting for Aaron Rowand

The more Giants in the ASG, the better!

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by Natto on Jul 9, 2008 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I admit that I voted for the laundry. He's one of our own; the others aren't.

I voted over 20 times online and about 60 times via text message (once you get into a rhythm, it is really fast). Just a pro-Giants move, not that Aaron “deserves” to be there or doesn’t deserve it.

I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."

by Mayor of 311 on Jul 9, 2008 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

What vote gives the NL the best shot to win?

I’m sick of the AL always winning. The DH sucks. Short porches and exploding scoreboards suck too!!

Well, actually I kinda liked the exploding scoreboard…

Screw the AL!!!

David Wright is my guy.

by toofruss on Jul 9, 2008 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry Giants fans...

But my vote goes to Pat Burrell—he’s having the best offensive season of any NL outfielder and the numbers say he’s actually decent in the field this year. If you don’t believe that, David Wright’s the next pick.

I’d go with Rowand over Lee and Hart, though. Quality defense in center gives him a two win swing over those other guys. And Rowand sure as hell deserves to make the team over Ryan Braun.

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 9, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

in something like this, i’m not worried about a player from New York being snubbed. David Wright will get plenty of votes purely based upon the market he plays in. As I see it, I’m just balancing out all the East Coast crazies who keep voting Jeter, etc. into the starting lineup year after year whether he deserves it or not.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jul 9, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

All y’all not voting for David Wright deserve to have your nerd badges taken away.

by Evan on Jul 9, 2008 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

You guys got badges?!?

Man, I miss out on all the good stuff.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 9, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not even cool enough to be a good nerd? That’s just sad.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 9, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

This sham is a charade

I voted a few of my 25 votes for Rowand the other day (before I got distracted by something, most likely my kids) but this leaves me very disinclined to go back to it:

Each club has mounted aggressive political-like campaigns; take the Giants as just one example. [...] Staci Slaughter, the club’s senior vice president of communications, said the first time they counted how many times the employees had voted, some had already registered 10,000 votes.

So, what is supposedly a fan vote is literally being rigged by team staffers, and MLB.com is running articles merrily talking about how blatantly the rules are being flouted. And this is supposed to make me want to get out there and vote?

Eh, whatever. Way to take the fun out of it, guys.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 9, 2008 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know… I got in a lot of trouble for grabbing a widgit one time…

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 PM PDT reply actions  

You’re right, though. He did look 18.

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by Natto on Jul 10, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

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