Is there a better way to Wynn?

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 9:09 PM PDT

I must say, as a longtime reader of McCovey Chronicles, I feel it is my time. I have feared the reckless actions of the sharks that surround this cove, but I will trust my faith, and leave myself to be eaten by the predators that circle in the depths, (positiveeuphemism smells blood). Rand Wynn is the only true scenario where the boys stand to gain anything in return. As much as I believe Durham's shiny skills at the plate will allow those to poke and prod, I believe Wynn is the only option we have. He has shown terrific skill in the outfield in his entire career (How often do you curse Wynn for a shitty read, or positioning), as well he has been the only 1-2 guy, other than Durham, to grace the lineup for what seems like an eternity. I know I will be torn apart at the suggestion of this, but what's to say we can't get a couple of lower level guys (Rays) for a guy like Randy. Can any playoff-bound team not use a guy like Randy? Please teach me more about this baseball thing, if anyone asks, I was returning video tapes.

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first learn about the spelling thing

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 7, 2008 9:16 PM PDT 0 recs

I didn’t want to but…oh boy. Look up the name Wynn on all kindsa places, and if you see anything other than FUCKIN MONEY, please share.

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

do like your moniker, however

Winn is really a decent average to very slightly above average OF, but he costs way too much and we probably won’t get much in the way of prospects in return, even if we eat his salary. A team that may have been interested was Cleveland, but they are out of it and gave up, so scratch that. If there’s an injury situation, he could get moved (NYY?) but still wouldn’t fetch much in return.

I think we’ll probably just hold on to him until he reaches free agency or trade him in a salary swap (like the Alfonzo/Finley a few years back.)

The Giants could probably get more for Molina than anyone else (other than the untouchables), but it sounds as if he isn’t currently available. We could probably trade Lewis, too and get something decent in return, but I’d prefer not to.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 7, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

I have to agree

as a 4th outfielder at worst, on a playoff bound team… I can see Randy ending up at a few different places. It’s not as if big market teams hesitate on a guy who is reliable, whose pay is not above the 10 mark. As well, you have him for next year. I can see alot of teams biting on that mediocre consistency

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

The folks over at Baseball Prospectus have speculated that since Randy makes so much money, we wouldn’t be able to get much more than salary relief for him.

by rotorueter on Jul 7, 2008 9:16 PM PDT 0 recs

well, if THEY say it, why even bother making phone calls??

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by rxmeister on Jul 8, 2008 6:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

I know

I know Mark thinks I learn EVERYTHING from BP, but I think the Giants can get something for Randy. The salary market for outfielders has essentially caught up to him.\

Randy is a class guy and a versatile, decent outfielder. But IMO he needs to move on to make room for his decade-younger fellow alum from San Ramon High, Nate Schierholtz. Not only is Randy hitting at about his career averages, but the Giants can point to his being primarily a second-half player in his career. Remember those two fabulous months in 2005 after the Giants acquired him at the trade deadline in 2005? All Randy did was put up an OPS of 1.071.

by sharksrog on Jul 9, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

okay spelling, absolutely right, any baseball related information beyond that?

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 9:19 PM PDT 0 recs

The reply button helps too.

Oh, and make sure you don’t post a repeat fanpost. Those annoy many of us. Not that this is one, I’m just giving a word of caution.

As to Randy Winn, his contract might make it a little difficult. He’s making a lot of money and he really isn’t that good. I really don’t think we are going to get much for any of Aurilia, Durham, Winn, Molina, Yabu, Vizquel, and Walker. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t trade them (except maybe Walker and Yabu).

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yes , do not annoy. You will live a life of agony.

HIS MAJOR SPELLING TRANSGRESSION (one!):
He left off the “y” in “Randy” , and even though he remembered it later some anal twit (Yeah , Nostocks , I’m lookin’ at you!) jumps him about it.

How my clubfingered style is to;lerated here w/o the same judgement is beyond me (key misstroke NOT corrected intentionally)...really , people. Lighten the fuck up.

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 7, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up 0 recs

thank you

is it Frankenshteen by any chance?

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

"I'm only interested in the preservation of LIFE!"

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 7, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

Not to be some other anal twit (ok, so that’s a lie), but he also added a y to Winn. I assumed that was what peeps were talking about. Doesn’t bother me, though, at least not any more than all the other false player names do.

At some point, player name misspellings just become a fact of internet life…

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 1:23 AM PDT up 0 recs

Oh boy… I hope I didn’t just fall into the sarchasm…

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 1:25 AM PDT up 0 recs

What do you think this is?

And irony board?

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jul 8, 2008 1:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

I was hoping so. I mean, all my shirts are wrinkled.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 2:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

Cane sucks

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Jul 8, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

John Sanchis

third starter at best

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 8, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up 0 recs

Who’s this Lintscum guy? Never heard of him.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

RICH AURELIA AND AARON ROWLAND 4EVER!!1

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jul 8, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

I miss Shane Hildebrand

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 8, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

RE-SIGN BARRY BURNS

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 8, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

I miss Lowrey.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

I still miss Curt Reader.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 8, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, but not Ajay Persiniki

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

I’m glad they at least gave Mark Gardener a job with the club. He was always a favorite of mine.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

He could never replace Deve Raghety though.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jul 8, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

I wouldn’t mind it if he replaced Bruse Bocce, though.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up 0 recs

Bocce is better than Aloo though.

by paboperfecto on Jul 9, 2008 6:22 AM PDT up 0 recs

I miss him too

Like EliminateME, I really miss Curt Reader’s rudely snapping off the words.

by sharksrog on Jul 9, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up 0 recs

wait wait, all this time EME was really EliminateME?!

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up 0 recs

AT BEST!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up 0 recs

do you think there is anyway to eat some of the salary to get a couple prospects in return?

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 9:22 PM PDT 0 recs

I'm going to just keep saying this

Three years ago Randy Winn was exactly the player he is today, except three years younger and quite a bit cheaper. And the Mariners were able to move him to a “contender” for the bounty of a backup catcher and an ex-prospect pitcher with a bum arm. a) Why would we expect to get more in return for him than we gave up for him three years and many contract $$ ago, and b) would a Yorvit and Foppert-esque haul be enough to tempt any of us to want to move him?

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jul 7, 2008 9:28 PM PDT 0 recs

As to b)

Yes. In this case Randy, as adequate a player as he is, would be addition by subtraction. We don’t need his services this year. And we should be able to replace his production from within.

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think he was a steal. I don’t know if we can get a fair deal, but I hope Sabes is a-tryin’.

Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.

by jasomack on Jul 7, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yorvit and Foppert would be fine. Yorvit remains underrated, in my opinion—he’s a legit starting catcher.

by Evan on Jul 8, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

Does Schierrholz get a chance to at least platoon if we trade Wynn? I guess, that is why I’m asking. Even if we get a semi-decent prospect, is he worth moving?

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 9:35 PM PDT 0 recs

If Winn is gone, Schierholtz will most likely start in RF.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jul 7, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up 0 recs

But only until Roberts comes off the DL.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jul 7, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

do you believe Roberts would see more playing time than Nate?

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

Sure looks like they’re leaving Nate for the Olympics for the summer. They’re staunchly resisting any and all opportunities to promote him. As far as I can tell they’ll announce the Olympics roster sometime next week and if Nate’s on it, I don’t believe the Giants will pull him off it for this season. He could still join the Giants in September in that scenario, but not much before that.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jul 7, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

OK , I'll bite.

What is it about Nate Schierholtz that says “Olympic team”?

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 7, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

He’s good enough to be a respectable Olympian, but not so good that his team won’t let him go.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jul 8, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

Bingo

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jul 8, 2008 6:22 AM PDT up 0 recs

Futures game

It was announced that the US team for the Futures Game this year was also going to be the Olympic team.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 8, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

This is fun

I’m hoping that’s what will happen: W inn gets traded and Schierholtz gets regular playing time on the big club.

So basically I agree with Natto

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

I know, Schierholtz!! Shit, I was told once

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 9:36 PM PDT 0 recs

I will do my best to comply

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!

by satyricrash on Jul 7, 2008 9:53 PM PDT 0 recs

I'll drink to that.

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 7, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

I thought it was Keenan Ivory Wynn

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 8, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

Winn isn't a FA after this year is he?

Cuz if he isn’t, then just the option of starting Nate next year should be motivation enough to move Winn.

by giants9107 on Jul 7, 2008 10:01 PM PDT 0 recs

He has one more season after this one.

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by Natto on Jul 7, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

kudos on the screen name

and there are a lot of teams that could use Winn, but Sabes for some reason apparently intends to keep him.

by boonitez on Jul 7, 2008 10:16 PM PDT 0 recs

welll,,,ahhh thank you sir

I was gonna call myself UUGGIIIEE, pronounced ooo-geee . If he actually gets called up, I just might have to… I guess I miss the UUU-RRIBE-AYYY chants at that real cold and windy place where we used to suffer, I mean reside.

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 7, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

his real name isnt randy anyways

correct spelling…...

Dwight Randolph Winn

"But if he's swinging at real flies, well, in that case there are two definite solutions: 1) Fresno 2) Ritalin." - howtheyscored

by CPGiant756 on Jul 7, 2008 11:24 PM PDT 0 recs

So he's Dr. Winn

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jul 8, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up 0 recs

“Medicine Woman”

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Jul 8, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'm a predator?

I thought I was a douche or misunderstood or cranky or bitchy or something.

But..I love your name. I think that would be an awesome nickname for Bowker. I remember discussions of it but don’t recall seeing that one. I nominate The Big LeBowker to be his nickname.

by positiveuphemism on Jul 8, 2008 12:08 AM PDT 0 recs

intimidation my friend

the abundance of minds has kept me from engaging, although people like wilriv21 have always given me the hope that maybe one day, I too could be a part of this

by TheBigLeBowker on Jul 8, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

Who?

Why do I suspect we’ll never see the two of you on the same thread?

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 AM PDT up 0 recs

Winn = Lose

He’s getting paid $8 mil this year. The season is 55% over so he’s owed $3.6 mil.

He’s added just .3 Batting Runs this year (measured above league average) and he’s not likely to add more than 1 more even if he goes on a tear. Call it maybe 2 or 3 wins added above replacement.

So the trade problem is simple. Find the club who needs 1 to 3 wins to make the playoffs, has $3.6 to through at the problem and a place to play him without gutting their offense as currently constructed.

Braves. Maybe Mets or Twins.

He’s not an impact player and won’t make a non-contender into a contender, and he’d be a downgrade for most of the contenders. He’s the bat that gets you the extra win to get into the payoffs and nothing more. Scratch the Braves in all probability.

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.

by S.F. Giangst on Jul 8, 2008 3:18 AM PDT 0 recs

Throw, not through

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.

by S.F. Giangst on Jul 8, 2008 3:19 AM PDT up 0 recs

Throw through.

“Dammit Meatwad…”

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

The Mets are the perfect team for him. Moises is always hurt, and Church is in and out of the lineup with his concussion problem. One day they say he’s through for the year, and the next day he’s back playing. Winn is perfect because he’s durable and they can pay him with Moises’ money next season. The problem is that their farm system is barren. Fernando Martinez is the only prospect worth a damn, and they’re not giving him up for Randy Winn. There’s also many people who think Martinez is very overrated anyway.

Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment

by rxmeister on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

ditto to that... now lets trade him...

Sometimes you just have to take a dump.

by Ortman on Jul 8, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up 0 recs

Randy

Randy is a second-half player, and the best scenario for the Giants would be for a contender to suffer a significant outfield injury. Randy can play any of the three outfield positions, and in an emergency, he can even play the hot corner!

by sharksrog on Jul 9, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

Winn really has no excitement for me. There’s no reason to keep him this year, he’s just blocking Schierholtz. I’d rather watch Schierholtz strikeout than Winn, because Nate could actually benefit. Sabean said they had disposable money, so eat his contract, get a player, and call up Nate for RF.

by giants9107 on Jul 8, 2008 6:47 PM PDT 0 recs

I agree. I read somewhere that Sabean has no plans to trade Winn, but I think that was just GM speak for “I won’t eat his contract.” Even if Nate gets picked for the Olympic team they should make this move. Let Bowker platoon in right with Horwitz until he gets back, and call up Travis Ishikawa or Brett Harper to play first base.

Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment

by rxmeister on Jul 9, 2008 8:25 AM PDT up 0 recs