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Trading with the Marlins?

The Marlins are currently 2nd in the NL East and are 2.5 games behind the Phillies.  They have a killer lineup that leads the NL in homeruns and is 3rd in the league in runs scored.  Their team ERA, however, sucks.  They have a team ERA of 4.76, which ranks 14th in the NL.  They're a lot like the Tigers in the sense that their lineup rakes but their pitching is holding them down.  Their rotation consists of a reliable but dickish Scott Olsen, a decent Ricky Nolasco, a young and talented but underperforming Andrew Miller, and Burke Badenhop and Mark Hendrickson, who both suck.  Their bullpen isn't great either, although they have Reynel Pinto setting up for Kevin Gregg to close, which is working out nicely for them.  Their long and middle relief aint so great, though.  Also, their only non-reliable starting position player is their catcher, Matt Treanor.  And they also have a bit of a logjam in the outfield with Cody Ross, Josh Willingham, Luis Gonzalez, and Jeremy Hermida, although that's not really a problem.

So the Marlins seem to be the exact opposite of us; crappy pitching, good hitting (even though our pitching is kind of underperforming aside from Timmy and Sanchez).  But the Marlins are different in that they find themselves close to a playoff spot.  The Phillies are having trouble with their pitching too, and the Marlins could easily catch up to them.  But they're going to need some pitching if they want that to happen.  What if we were to trade with the Marlins for a bit of their good hitting, and we give them a decent hitting, good fielding catcher and some pitching? Would a deal of Molina/Taschner/Correia for one of their young outfielders (Willingham, Hermida, Ross)  and a minor league prospect like Matt Dominguez work?  (And I know Sabes said that he wasn't thinking of trading Molina, but that's not really a definite 'no' and also this is pure speculation anyways)  I also realize that Correia's stats don't make him look like much of an upgrade, but I'm sure he'll start doing better.  He's shown a lot of promise in his starts since his return from his injury, but he always seems to give up a bunch of runs right before he comes out of the game.  But this trade would balance out their rotation a little and also help their bullpen some.  And they would also have an upgrade at catcher.  And I'm sure their lineup wouldn't hurt too much from losing one of their outfielders.  Do you think the Marlins would be willing to sacrifice a little bit of their hitting to improve their pitching?

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Young Tealented Outfielders Is Not a Weakness Of The Giants

The Marlins have nobody i would rather have the Lewis, Rowand, and Schierholtz.

The trade to consider with the Marlins is Cain, Burriss, and a bullpen arm for Hanley Rameriz. It isn’t going to happen but it is really the only one that would make any sense for the Giants.

by giantsrainman on Jul 7, 2008 5:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Here's another one that makes sense for the Giants...

...Ramirez, Uggla, and Mike Jacobs for Keiichi Yabu.

It isn’t going to happen either, of course…

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 7, 2008 6:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

They’ll have to throw in Andrew Miller to make that fair.

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by Natto on Jul 7, 2008 6:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybin and Hermida too. Yabu is a beast.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

1 pitch, 3 outs.

by paboperfecto on Jul 7, 2008 6:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As would the Marlins I’m sure.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you

Someone agrees Schierholtz should start next year.

by giants9107 on Jul 7, 2008 10:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

for all the hype on here

Nate had better be Barry 2.0

by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

SPOILER

He won’t be

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 7, 2008 11:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He failed to specify which Barry he was talking about

I’m guessing Barry White.

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 11:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course not

He will be Barry 3.0

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Jul 8, 2008 12:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OMG I WAS TRYING TO AVOID SPOILERS!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know, right? LJ cut pls.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 8, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What!!!?!?!?!?!?!

That’s it….no more bandwagon for me. I thought he was already inked in for 762 HR’s…

by tyrannoman on Jul 8, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno

His curveball isn’t as good, but he has more zip on his fastball.

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by Natto on Jul 8, 2008 12:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, you think he’s talking about that Barry?

I personally am kinda hoping he’ll become Barry Sanders 2.0.

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 8, 2008 12:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another one of these trade with the Marlins? Your kidding right?

The Marlins aren’t trying to win. How would them trading one of their best young positional players help them, if they were trying to win the division? These are ridiculous. And having said that the Marlins organizational strength in the minors is their pitching.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 6:06 PM PDT   0 recs

My kidding right what?

by paboperfecto on Jul 7, 2008 6:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don’t get your hopes up. Pickings are slim via FA. Trade market probably won’t be a whole lot better.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was toying with making a fanpost all about this

Then I decided not to.

The key to the Giants’ rebuilding effort is the infield. The Giants have good pitching. The Giants have adequate outfielders (read: probably at least average). The Giants do not have an infield. There are some candidates: Bowker, Frandsen, Burriss, Denker, Sandoval. But nobody in the Giants organization is going to be much above average, if at all, at the infield position they will play. And since the outfield will likely be right around average, they must have at least a couple infielders who are above average.

I really think that the best way to go is Lewis in left and Bowker in right. The Giants then need to, somehow, find themselves a big time run producer at two infield spots. As Hobbes kindly pointed out, this is not likely. If Schierholtz develops decently then Bowker could play first. But he’s not going to be much above average, unless he pulls an Uggla. So then we would still need two of the catcher, shortstop, second base and third base positions to have big time run producers. And that’s not going to be easy or cheap.

Any suggestions?

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 6:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Unless a trade can be made for like a Brian Roberts type of veteran, I don’t see many options. Other than maybe trying to sign Mark Ellis, O-Dog, or someone like that. I don’t want to sign Furcal. He can’t stay healthy and some dumb team like the Dodgers will want to pay him way too much money. I’d rather take my chances with Burriss or trade for a young SS. Like Jeff Keppinger or someone like that.

Don’t want to overpay for Crede either. That’s assuming Kenny Williams even lets him leave.

Honestly I don’t see many options other than trying to trade for someone who’s not all that much better than what we already have, or by spending money who’s in the similar tier of players who are borderline starters at best.

Might as well just let the kids play. See if Denker can play 2b. Let Burriss play SS. See if Frandsen can stick at 2b or 3rd, or see if Matt Downs can play 3rd in the majors. He hasn’t really hit enough at AAA so far…so idk about him. Or throw Rohlinger over there. He might hit .220 but he has some pop and he plays good defense. Or we can stick with Castillo…? Or put Castillo back at 2nd. Bring back Kent? haha. I’m not really expecting all that much. I hope they don’t panic and try to fill everything just because there’s not a lot of talent there. Try to play people there and see if anyone can surprise. And in the meantime sign your goddamn top draft picks already.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 7:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The only big time(er… semi big time) infielder i would like to see is Troy Glaus. For some reason he isn’t listed as a free agent in most lists, but he has only a player option for next year for around 11 mil. I think adding him to the infield to bat cleanup would go a long way to help our power deficiencies. Also i belive in Bowker. Coming out of college he was thought to have light tower power. He crushed in Low-A, but the power stalled in High-A. I wonder if that may have been park added. From my view bowker seems to put tremendous backspin on the ball. It gives it tremendous drive if not heading into the wind, however at municipal park, those lofty backspin balls hang up and float back to the oat fielders. I think you really need to look at his Low-A and Double-A numbers, as well as college numbers to get a true feel for his play.

by OmahaGiants on Jul 8, 2008 12:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh

Is there any reason you can come up with why Troy Glaus WOULDN’T exercise an $11.25 million option this offseason. At this stage in his career he shouldn’t come close to that salary on the market. Barring more injury issues another year off the market shouldn’t change his value that much. The ‘09 option is probably his last big payday, before he’s on the FA bargain bin pile.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jul 8, 2008 6:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It seems that in most sports if a player has the option to opt out they will. As you said barring injury he should be just as valuable next offseason. However, injury is a large risk for every athlete. Why hope for a new contract in 2 years when you could have one this offseason? I mean it will more than likely not affect him long term financially, he will simply sign a longer contract this offseason than he would next offseason

by OmahaGiants on Jul 8, 2008 9:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m keeping Bowker at 1B. It’s one less hole in the infield to fill and allows another existing bat (Scheirholtz or whoever) in the outfield.

I don’t think we’ll get the big time run-producer you speak of and will have to settle for a bunch of guys who can hit between 10 and 25 HRs, bat around .280-.300, get on base a little and run a little.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jul 7, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, then we probably will have a below-average offense

Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A league-average 1B in this park should put up numbers around .280/.360/.460. I think it is much more likely Bowker can produce as a RF, .275/.345/.440. Especially if we’re settling for unknown/crappy at 3B we’ll need an upgrade at 1B if we’re to compete at all next year run on sentence.

Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.

by jasomack on Jul 7, 2008 8:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But it's doubtful he can play the position

he was considered a poor defensive OF in the minors. His scouting report is no speed, no arm. That’s a pretty bad tools package for RF in AT&T.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jul 7, 2008 9:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So did the 2008 infield.

Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.

by ResDog on Jul 7, 2008 8:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What do you guys think about trading with the Marlins?

I think they may be a perfect match for us.

PS- did you know Jerome Williams was signed by the A’s?

Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.

by The Thrill on Jul 7, 2008 6:53 PM PDT   0 recs

yeah, when I initially saw this thread, I thought something went wrong with the site and I was seeing last week’s posts. We did this one already. Next thing you know someone will be posting about trading Brian Wilson.

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by rxmeister on Jul 7, 2008 7:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

what do you think we could get for him?

Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.

by The Thrill on Jul 7, 2008 7:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trading Brian Wilson?

Hey, that’s a pretty good idea.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh woah there was?

my bad didn’t see it

by boonitez on Jul 7, 2008 8:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm pretty sure there was already a fanshot of this

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 7, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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