Kruk and Kuip won an emmy for their quality work. Tim Goodman, the writer of this article, as far as I can tell, hasn’t done anything in his career but artificially criticize things for a paycheck (it says so right in his sfgate bio).

Winner: Kruk and Kuip.

the only thing i dont like is kruk’s “open base” theory. i feel like hes all for pitching around guys and driving up pitch counts. in my opinion if theres a runner on first and second, there is not an open base and i donno why youd ever wanna walk the bases loaded

But it is not for the Fanshots. And I actually made myself stop watching for some time last year because Kruk was “overselling” a shitty team.

I know it was about 10 years ago, and I cannot remember who the left fielder was but it was an opponent. He went toward the stands for a pop foul and ended up going over the rail and into the lap of an attractive woman in the first row. And Kruk said “That was a Veteran Move”.

I’ve been a fan since.

And I also dig Tim Goodman. His articles have been some of my favorite reads for a long time now. Other than his poor review of Firefly. He also didn’t really care for Chuck, which is a pretty funny show (co-starring The Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne).

Anyway, I agree with the people above, it didn’t really read as much of criticism of Kruk and Kuip as much as the broadcast. I agree with him, I could do without all the excess fan shots and other stuff. And while Kruk is definitely a homer for the Giants, I really enjoy when he talks pitching, strategy, etc. I find he has a lot of great insight.

I agree with everyone else that the criticism was not of Kruk and Kuip, it was of the broadcast itself. I read here before that fans like that they show more of normal fans that they do of hot chicks, but I have to say that I would really prefer to see the hot young women. Don’t any go to the games??

Someone made an earnest attempt to bring this out as a ‘Fanshot’ rather than a thread, and then when this thread came up, the Framed Drug-Dealing Carmaker tried to point it out. His was the first comment every poster read (or, you know, should have read) before posting here, but did so anyway. Nobody did anything wrong, as such, but it just shows that the “Fanshot” thing does not work. And this is coming in a period when we are trying to be conscious of not duplicating threads.

Carry on.

I figured I’d put it as a Fanshot, since I didn’t have too much to say about it… lol not a big deal though. It’s not as though physical clutter is accumulating.

I think the problem I have with it is Goodman’s tone is that “Cut all this “fun” crap, this baseball sport is serious business!” But its clear that he doesn’t listen or watch very often himself, however, if he thinks:

Though Giants fans have, through the years, come to adopt this duo as a beloved institution (fans still wear the pair’s replica Giants jerseys), their digressions can be both annoying and pedestrian and a stark contrast to the work of Jon Miller, who broadcasts for both the Giants and ESPN.

LOL John Miller doesn’t digress? As I said in my comment on the article, earlier this year, I heard Miller and Flemming talk for an entire inning about Latin state mottoes! We (my family and I) didn’t remember a thing that happened in the inning, and we loved it, because it was hilarious.

as I said in the limbo-we-call-Fanshots, it’s not profaning the sacred or committing blasphemy to not love everything about Krukow’s mannerisms. I could happily go the rest of eternity without hearing “Grab some pine, meat” (and it’s especially horrible hearing other people say it, shudder), or the word “Gamer.” (I hope this year’s ad campaign will kill that word.)

As for Goodman, who is a tv critic, I think he provides an insight of what the casual fan experiences. We are the initiated; he’s not. We listen to K&K on the radio, which is an accumulation of experience that also informs how we relate to them on tv; he does not. HIs experience isn’t ours. Hey, somewhere out there is some blurb-o-matic movie critic who liked “Indy Jones/Crystal Skull”—and even that idiot was reporting his experience with it, not making Grand Truths.

Thank you groug. I feel better. But it does remind me I miss Lon.

Put me slightly in the defense of Kruk and Kuip camp. I love them both to death.

But I don’t necessarily disagree with Goodman. I mean, I heard Kruk fill in on a national Fox broadcast in 2003 and Kruk was on fire. He talked only about the game, no schtick, and damn was he good, going over what pitches were working for Jerome Williams and why they were and just adding a ton of insight to my enjoyment of the game.

If Goodman wants Kruk to do more of that and less of the “eliminate me ” thing, I can understand why.

Statement doesn’t apply to the “EliminateMe” who posts here at McCovey Chronicles—because he/she is awesome, too.

most fans who get eliminated either ask for it (“Eliminate me, it’s my birthday!”), or are with someone who they ask to eliminate (“Eliminate him, it’s his birthday!”). Yes, he also eliminates Dodger fans and dudes hitting on chicks or idiots on their cell phones, but the people watching probably don’t mind it too much. It could get old, I suppose, but it doesn’t interfere with the action. Heck, they turned it into a regular feature with a sponsor. That’s pretty smart, if you ask me.

I also don’t recall Kruk overusing the term “gamer” until this season when the Giants used it as a marketing ploy. Hopefully that will be gone after a while.

Overall, some of Goodman’s criticism is fair, as it relates to the overall broadcast, but I do think he overstates the role the the announcers have in that production. Maybe they get the brunt because they’re the guys we see and hear.

“Grab some pine, meat” is a classic. That’s how baseball players talk to each other. Nothing wrong with that.

I don’t think Kruk has ratcheted up his enthusiasm or homerism just because the team has been bad. I just think because the team has been bad, there’s been more dead time on the air and more time to let the mind drift and there’s been more quantity than the good ol’ days. They’ve fill that time with some really wacky humor, and I appreciate it. Kruk and Kuip are as good as ever and are the best announcers in all of baseball, hands down.

Plus, every once in awhile, Aaron Rowand takes a nasty shit.

What’s not to enjoy about that?

And it’s not just because they are ours. I hated Joe Angel, as many above have stated. There was also that one guy who tried to break into the business with the Giants. I can’t remember his name. He was around about the same time as Angel. I remember one time they had him report in from the building across the street from the place that used to be called Enron Field. It was hilarious. I notice they have never made Flem do anything like that. But then, Flem is light years ahead of that guy.

Oh and Greg Pappa sucks.