Jose Castillo
He's been better than what I've expected, he's been lightweight clutch, almost as clutch as me. He's tied for eigth in the national league with twenty four doubles and has recently played a much improved third base defensively. The Giants claimed him off waivers on March twenty second, which was a late signing as a result of the Kevin Frandsen ruptured left Achilles’ tendon (who seems to have been forgotten, wait, wait, wait, wasn't he supposed to start somewhere on the infield this year?). I've come to enjoy his energy at third laying out daily for hoppers in the 5.5 hole (to quote Tony Gwynn), as well as his aggression on the base paths, continually searching for an opportunity to take an extra base from Giants' opponents, which is a quality all current and future hitters on the Giants need to have, if this sort of "small ball" approach built on pitching and defense is going to work. I was definitely a skeptic when the Giants first calimed him just because of the eerie plate approach resemblance to the free swinging Pedro Feliz. He hasn't flashed the same potential gold glove leather as Feliz just because Cast is a natural 2B, but he's definitely been more than serviceable; he's got Mr. Clutch referring to him as "my boy" to his homies and he's got the Giant's Sabes talkin' future long term plans for the Giants third baseman. We're only halfway through the season, and his numbers can still improve or they can regress and hurt the team. Third is clearly a position where the organization can look to acquire a power hitting piece in the offseason that could launch the Giants towards the top of the National League Worst, either via free agency or via trade. I guess what I'm getting at: is he worth keeping for future years as an EVERYDAY starter?
Tough loss, still 5 back. Playing better though!
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Nah
Castillo is pretty much a stopgap for the time being. He hasn’t been a complete disaster, but he’s definitely not the answer at third base. I’ll have to say though that I haven’t complained too much about him lately.
by Natto on Jul 6, 2008 10:23 PM PDT 0 recs
He's not the answer?
Then how do you explain Sabean?
“You’re seven games under .500. That’s where you don’t want to be, but I really feel good about the energy around the club and I feel good about some of our choices. We’ve now got a solution at first base. We’ve got a solution at third. We’ve gotten Omar (Vizquel) back. Freddie Lewis has come into his own and (Emmanuel) Burriss has been a real factor lately.”
by kaliber on
Jul 7, 2008 8:22 AM PDT
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We have been failing to explain Sabean for years
And what is he supposed to say? We’ve got this guy at third who pretty much sucks, but he’s all we’ve got.” ?
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 8:30 AM PDT
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It's not entirely out of character.
Not in so many words, but it wouldn’t be shocking to hear him say something about how they’re “still exploring options” at third. Last year when someone asked him if Rajai Davis could be the starting CF in 2008, he laughed and said “next question”.
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by EliminateMe on
Jul 7, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
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True. He also got annoyed when Ralph was in his Jason Ellison fantasy world.
by tyrannoman on
Jul 7, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
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Nope
Castillo has been pretty solid considering what he was, a trash heap pickup. I think Castillo’s value in the league moving forward is as a very valuable bench player due to his ability to play most of the infield positions.
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by j14 on Jul 6, 2008 10:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Nah
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 6, 2008 10:39 PM PDT 0 recs
He's a downgrade from Feliz, but also significantly cheaper
The thing that bugs me is that he’s terrible with RISP (.224) and with runners on (.224). But solid with none on (.298). Also, his inconsistency on defense. He can make a good play, and than have a brain fart on the field.
Overall, I would say he is Pedro Feliz with less power, worse defensively, and worse with runners on. But he’s almost $2.5m cheaper. For the money, he’s great.
by lincecumania on Jul 6, 2008 10:40 PM PDT 0 recs
Feliz, in a hitter's park,
is hitting .262/.307/.426 with 127 TB.
Castillo at Mays Field is hitting .261/.313/.425 with 130 TB.
I will take Castillo over Feliz any day.
by marklar on
Jul 7, 2008 8:07 AM PDT
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Pedro is light years better with the glove, however. It is imortant to remember that.
by tyrannoman on
Jul 7, 2008 8:41 AM PDT
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Pedro
RISP: .292/.322/.472
Castillo: RISP: .218/.277/.345
Pedro please.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
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that could be a half-year fluke
Over their careers, they’ve been very similar with RISP
Castillo’s career RISP OPS:.742
P Fuzz’s career RISP OPS: 735
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by oldjacket on
Jul 7, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
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Pedro? No,
please! It was a good day for Giants fans when he signed with the Phillies. Besides, what you are really doing is comparing a 2Bman to a 3Bman. This is exactly why I did not want to see Frandsen playing 3B. Asking any natural 2Bman to play 3rd will usually get you a drop in offensive production. But seeing that Castillo is no worse than Feliz means that letting Feliz go was a positive move for the Giants.
by marklar on
Jul 7, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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Defense at 3B
is not that important. There just aren’t that many chances at the position to make much of a difference. People at McCovey Chronicles consistently overrate the value of defense at 3B and overrate Feliz as a defensive player. Is Feliz better than Castillo? yes, light years better? no. Besides Castillo’s position is 2B, he’s learning a new position and improving as the season goes on. Castillo has only 4 more errors than Feliz. Feliz gets to more balls than Castillo, but only about 1 every 6+ games.
by marklar on
Jul 7, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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I have to disagree with you on some of your statement. Yes, 3B isn’t a key defensive position, and I don’t care if Castillo is learning a new position. The fact is, Feliz should’ve won a Gold Glove last year, and he is light years better defensively. You may argue that does not matter in your view of building a team, but it is true. The number of errors can be completely misleading. I’d rather have Castillo for $400K than Pedro for $4.5 mil, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t want to sell his skills short either.
by tyrannoman on
Jul 7, 2008 9:37 AM PDT
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I don't want to sell his skills short either.
Feliz is very good defensively, but I don’t see him as a defensive god either. His arm is spectacular though, I’ll give you that. But 3B is one of those positions, unlike SS, where you always take offense over defense. And this team needs offense much more than it needs anything else. Defense at 3B is a luxury if you have a team like the Phillies that has offense to spare.
I posted my comments because I felt that Castillo was being treated unfairly given all the circumstances.
Castillo is not the answer, but I shudder at the thought of some longing for Pedro Feliz. Feliz was not, is not, and never will be the answer.
by marklar on
Jul 7, 2008 9:54 AM PDT
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I think we’re pretty close in our opinions here. I’m not saying Pedro should be a Giant either. Dude can just play the hell out of third base. All thigns being equal, I’d probably rather have Feliz than Castillo, but they’re about $4 mil from being equal.
by tyrannoman on
Jul 7, 2008 11:53 AM PDT
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Agreed
I think the only thing we are disagreeing about is who we’d rather have, Feliz or Castillo. At this point in Castillo’s tenure as a Giant, I still do not have to get up and leave room when he bats like I did when Feliz came to the plate.
by marklar on
Jul 7, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
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Oh and the answer is no,
he’s not worth keeping for the future as an everyday starter. To be honest, he’s my least favorite Giants player because of his inconsistency at the plate and on the field. However, for the same salary, I wouldn’t mind him coming off the bench next season. But then I wouldn’t care if he wasn’t around either.
by lincecumania on Jul 6, 2008 10:47 PM PDT 0 recs
oh god no.
in fact, if they could trade him this year i’d hope they would. the problem is that he doesn’t have value by himself—-so i think, actually i hope, Sabean thinks outside the box of straight up trades for some kind of package deal.
by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 6, 2008 11:19 PM PDT 0 recs
I’ve fallen off the Great Leono bandwagon, for now. The power is still there, but I don’t know if he can hit enough to show it at the major league level. I still think he’s a great injury-time stop gap, super sub as the Giants consider trades. No reason to hold onto Richie, Jose or even a healed Kevin Fransden to play back-up IF (if they are asked for in a trade), when you have Leono ready to go through the infield and he can play Center. CENTER!!
Castillo hits doubles.
by kennv on
Jul 7, 2008 6:59 AM PDT
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I’ll ride the Great Leono! Wagon until the wheels fall off.
by xanthan on
Jul 7, 2008 7:10 AM PDT
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You don't know, I don't know
None of us know if Leone and McClain can hit at the big league level, because they haven’t been given a shot.
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by hairball on
Jul 7, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
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It has to say something about McClain tha he’s been with seveal organizatiions, and none has given him more than a cup of coffee.
by tyrannoman on
Jul 7, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
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Nobody gave Jack Cust or Matt Stairs a shot either
Until the A’s finally did.
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by thehavenot on
Jul 7, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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Are you
being sarcastic? I am going to guess not.
Anyway, my take on it : in the past six years, Leone’s had 2028 PAs on the AA, AAA, and MLB level. He’s shown up with a .468 SLG, and 107 BB per 600 PA. I think it’s safe to say that the guy knows how to hit a baseball.
And honestly I don’t think that there’s something magical and ookie-spookie about the transition from AAA to MLB (Todd Linden notwithstanding). I think you stick Leone at 3B, and give him the rest of the season to average out cold streaks and hot streaks, and we’d be sure to see our share of taters and walks.
by SnowLeopard on
Jul 7, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
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I was refering more to McClain than Leone. McClain is quite a bit older (even than me). Leone, eh. Give him a shot, I don’t really see the harm.
Todd Linden is actually one of several AAAA guys who just flamed out. I do think it’s a big leap to make, and for whatever reason not every hitter can make the jump. Don’t make me bring up JR Phillips (you know how upset he gets).
by tyrannoman on
Jul 7, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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Why?
Castillo is younger, and I don’t see any reason to believe that Leone (when healthy) will out-field or out-hit him.
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by oldjacket on
Jul 7, 2008 8:11 AM PDT
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The reason
is in the HR column of Leone’s statistics.
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by hairball on
Jul 7, 2008 9:24 AM PDT
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Aurelia to 3B full time, Bowker to 1B full time
problem solved.
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by Bhaakon on
Jul 7, 2008 12:09 AM PDT
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rich aurilia full time? on a rebuilding team? he’s definitely had a resurgent year, I just think it may be time to look in a different direction. Possibly keep him as a bench utility guy. I love richie though, great giant.
by Mr. Clutch on
Jul 7, 2008 12:18 AM PDT
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Dumb me
Forgot what a big part of the future Castillo is.
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by Bhaakon on
Jul 7, 2008 1:08 AM PDT
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We are, through no fault of our own, in the pennant race. Aurilia has put up one of the more adequate batting lines on the team with .284/ .341/ .445. I daresay he’s been one of the few Giants to drive the ball with authority AND get on base regularly. Fielding metrics say that Aurilia has been better at third, though my eyes see them as more defensive equals. (Castillo is mre likely to get to a difficult ball, but Aurilia is more reliable on routine plays, no?)
I can’t fault Bochy for getting Richie into the lineup regularly.
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by oldjacket on
Jul 7, 2008 8:30 AM PDT
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assuming that the trade of Castillo+Others can't bring back a viable option at 3B immediately...
Leone, or my personal favorite, call up “DieHard” McClain.
Scott only has .300/.387/.917OPS, and at this point I think it’s fair to say if Castillo isn’t apart of the Giants future (which i don’t believe he is), then why NOT call up a mashing corner infielder…even if he is 36.
i think it’s completely legit to think that trading Castillo in a package can help the future, and replacing him with McClain’s bat (and patience, 45BBs/59Ks) helps the Giants get better now.
by ExcuseMeSwing on
Jul 7, 2008 1:17 AM PDT
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generic replacement level third baseman?
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on
Jul 7, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
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Second base
Second base would be the best position for the light-hitting Castillo, but in the long run he likely will fall behind Nick Noonan and probably Kevin Frandsen there. If Castillo could play a better shortstop, he wouldn’t be a bad utilityman.
by sharksrog on Jul 7, 2008 12:39 AM PDT 0 recs
Noonan's lightyears away
just saying.
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by Bhaakon on
Jul 7, 2008 1:09 AM PDT
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Couldn’t Denker hold down 3B for the rest of the year if Castillo was traded? I’ve been very frustrated by Castillo at times, but I think he’s actually played very well on the whole. I wouldn’t mind him starting if the Giants’ can find a reincarnation of Jeff Kent circa 1998 to play 2B, but that ain’t gonna happen. Castillo would be a fantastic utility player, if he would accept that role.
by tyrannoman on Jul 7, 2008 7:37 AM PDT 0 recs
"Every" -day "starter"
with his cheap price tag, I think Castillo might get a chance to play everyday for the Giants in 2009. A day at third. A day at second. 4 days as pinch hitter and double switch guy.
He hasn’t got the offense or the defense to really hold onto the starting job at 3rd or 2nd in the face of a strong candidate – even one as strong as what I think Fransden could do (if healthy)- 285/345/400. On the other hand he is probably in his peak years from now to 2010, I think he could do better than he has – especially if less double play balls come off his bat, and he continues to improve at defensively at third base. It has been awhile since any Castillo hate threads have popped up. Probably partly his performance and partly our acceptance as fans of his level of output. We’ve got used to him.
If he can’t stay a starter, I think his approach at the plate could do well as a pitch hitter. He’s willing to go with the pitcher’s pitches and use the opposite field. He might excel as a late inning pinch hitter, especially when there is no one on, eliminating the chance of a double play.
I don’t really know who would trade for Castillo. Doesn’t anyone want Durham? That would clear room for the position battle royal that should be underway, between Castillo, Denker, Burriss and Velez if he continues to hit well in AAA. It would be great if one did actually stick as a cheap and decent-to-good starter for the next couple of years. I think Castillo as a double DFA still has depressed value around the league.
Castillo hits doubles.
by kennv on Jul 7, 2008 7:53 AM PDT 0 recs
Castillo to get better?
As much as I may lambaste SABR for not allowing a player to improve – Castillo is having the best year of his career. He is due to regress in the second half.
The most troubling thing about Castillo this year is this split:
Men on base: .221/.284/.338
Bases Empty: .294/.337/.494
RISP: .218/.277/.345
More clearly,
Bases Empy OPS .831 RISP OPS .621
The dude flat out disappears when men get on base (Not that this makes him much different from the rest of the team). His slash line of .261/.313/.425 is inflated by “worthless” at bats.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
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As a comparison
John Bowker’s split:
Men On: .321/.372/.596
RISP: .344/.408/.672
Empty: .234/.261/.327
Bowker looks like fucking Bonds with RISP.
(Bonds RISP) .310/.527/.594
Oh wait, Bowker is better.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 8:25 AM PDT
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I <3 Bowker!
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by hairball on
Jul 7, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
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.310/.527/.594 > .344/.408/.672.
Just sayin.
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by Cookyman on
Jul 7, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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True
And consider the difference between number of at-bats.
I love John Bowker, but saying he’s better at anything baseball-related than Bonds (besides not being Barry Bonds) is a little out there.
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by thehavenot on
Jul 7, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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Thats not really the point
I’m just saying that Castillo is Bad. When I looked up Bowkers split, I was way impressed – so I immediately tried to find the highest bar to compare it to.
Naturally, that is Bonds. I guess you could argue that OBP is better than SLG but I think you could also argue the other way.
And no, I’m not saying Bowker is better than bonds. Jesus – I’m saying that Bowkers split w/ RISP this year is better in some ways than Bonds’ split w/ RISP over his career.
And Castillo’s Split w/ RISP this year and career really sucks.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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You said "better than Bonds"
If you meant that his numbers were better than Bonds’ numbers with RISP, that is pretty much a meaningless statement considering the difference in number of at-bats.
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by thehavenot on
Jul 7, 2008 10:31 AM PDT
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I know you weren’t really saying that Bowker beats Bonds. I was just saying that .310/.527/.594/.1121 > .344/.408/.672./1.080.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Jul 7, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
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Bonds insane # of IBB's inflate his OPS
And are slightly misleading. IBB’s aren’t nearly as valuable as singles. (and only about 50% as valuable as normal BB’s)
And given that Bowker basically never walks, his OPS is probably a little under-inflated.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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IBB’s are… only about 50% as valuable as normal BB’s.
Why?
And given that Bowker basically never walks, his OPS is probably a little under-inflated.
That’s just silly. Because Adam Dunn strikes-out 53% of the time, his AVG is under-inflated.
Anyway, Bowker has about 60 AB’s with RISP this year. 60 AB’s are practically meaningless.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Jul 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT
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Because Tano-Tiger says so ?
The Run Value of a BB is 0.303
Run Value of IBB is 0.176
Run Value of a single is 0.460
So, in run values, a .300 OBP that is the product of a large # of IBB’s is less valuable than a OBP of .300 that has few BB’s (IBB or otherwise) but many hits.
60 AB’s is meaningless except that all I am stating is that Bowker HAS been better – not that he will continue to be.
But, so far this season, Bowker has put up better #’s w/ RISP than Bonds did over his career. That is just a fact. It doesn’t mean anything (except maybe hints that Bowker might have a clutch element) But it is a fun fact, which is all it was meant to be.
The original point of my post was that Castillo HAS been horrible w/ RISP so far this year while Bowker HAS been great (and in fact, better than Bonds).
No more, No less. If you want to argue the value of an IBB Vs. a single and a BB, take that up w/ Tano-Tiger, not me.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 2:21 PM PDT
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I wasn’t trying to argue that an IBB isn’t worth 50% of a BB. Just wondered how you came to that conclusion.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on
Jul 7, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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Yeah but...
...it’s only a matter of time before pitchers learn to fear the Bowk and pitch around him as much as they did Bonds.
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by EliminateMe on
Jul 7, 2008 10:24 AM PDT
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41 points of OPS doesn’t seem like all that much in exchange for an extra 34 points in BA.
I know a lot of Bonds’ walks were intentional (which I’ve always thought made comparisons to others difficult), but walks only drive in runs when the bases are loaded.
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by Goofus on
Jul 7, 2008 10:26 AM PDT
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The most troubling thing about Castillo this year is this split:Men on base: .221/.284/.338
Bases Empty: .294/.337/.494
RISP: .218/.277/.345More clearly,
Bases Empy OPS .831 RISP OPS .621
This shouldn’t trouble you at all. It’s just noise, it means nothing going forward.
Also, what did you mean by this:
As much as I may lambaste SABR for not allowing a player to improve
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by marcello on
Jul 7, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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How does that mean nothing going forward?
Are Castillo’s stats somehow not a valuable predictor of his future performance?
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
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By "this" I meant that
I’ve argued against regression to the mean relatively recently
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
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Not those stats.
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by marcello on
Jul 7, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
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Just to further explain, look at his career numbers in those situations. It’s the opposite, he gets better with runners on. I certainly don’t think he’s a better hitter with runners on, I’m just pointing out why you shouldn’t use a couple hundred ABs to make a point.
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by marcello on
Jul 7, 2008 10:26 AM PDT
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My point
Was regarding this year, as I stated when I said “The most troubling thing about Castillo this year“
And I think it is important to note that he has been putried w/ men on this year which devalues his seemingly OK slash line.
As far as predicting the future, I think his career #’s suggest that we can expect more of the same (However I do realize that over his career his RISP split isn’t what it is this year). If we want roster filler for a sub .500 team then I guess that is okay…
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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Yeah, but it still doesn’t mean anything. His numbers this year, in those situations, don’t mean a thing for the rest of this year. Hitting with runners on is just a bad way to evaluate a player.
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by marcello on
Jul 7, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
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Castillo has been adequate . . .
. . .and he’s young enough that he may improve. Remember, he’s younger than Fred Lewis!
I don’t really have any problem with the way the Giants have been using him, essentially as Bowker’s platoon partner. I wouldn’t rule him out for next year, but I think he’s a stopgap until he proves otherwise.
Every time I think he’s making progress on defense he makes me regret my faith in him.
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by oldjacket on Jul 7, 2008 8:18 AM PDT 0 recs
If by adequate
You mean he stands at 3rd base and only makes an error every 13 plays then sure.
At least he doesn’t cost much doing it.
I especially like how he ranges to his left and dives on balls that should be played by the SS, causing them to go for hits.
At least he usually misses on his dive and the ball rolls through into Omar’s glove.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 8:29 AM PDT
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Isn’t like the #1 rule of 3B fielding “get it if you can get to it”?
by Viliphied on
Jul 7, 2008 9:22 AM PDT
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Not when you are picking it out of the SS's zone.
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by FairweatherFan on
Jul 7, 2008 10:18 AM PDT
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That range to his left is probably more useful at 2B where it’s already past the first baseman.
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