Ken Rosenthal Smokes Marijuana
by kaliber on Jul 6, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
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That's the only explanation for this:
Don't be surprised if the Brewers accelerate their transition this winter by trading shortstop J.J. Hardy and possibly first baseman Prince Fielder for multiple high-end prospects.
The demand for shortstops, in particular, is rising. Hardy, second in OPS only to the Marlins' Hanley Ramirez among NL shortstops, could bring a quality young starting pitcher — think Giants right-hander Matt Cain — if he is packaged with the right youngsters.
J.J. Hardy is a nice player, sure. But the centerpiece of a deal for Matt Cain? Not a freakin' chance.
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SF needs a new infield in 2009
1b: Bowker and TI. Bowker has said he prefers the OF while TI’s rise is of Phoenix proportions.
2b: Frandsen, Castillo, Denker, Velez and Burris. No stars in this bunch.
3b: Castillo and Rohlinger. Enough said
SS: Burriss. That’s it?
The Giants need a way to figure out their infield mess for 2009.
by wilriv21 on Jul 6, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3b: Mcpherson please. I would also not be shocked if we dropped a wad of coin on crede.
Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.
by The Thrill on Jul 6, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would Sabean make a move that would admit being wrong the year before, though?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fully expect:
1B Bowker and Aurilia
2B Durham
3B Crede
SS Vizquel
With two of Burriss, Frandsen, and Castillo backing up.
I have been getting this feeling lately that Sabean will re-sign Aurilia and Durham, pick up Vizquel’s option, and placate Rowand with signing Crede.
Your 2009 SF Giants: Status Quo!
by kaliber on Jul 6, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s be realistic. Durham won’t be here, Aurilia won’t be here, and Vizquel won’t be here. I also expect to see Crede though. I see Frandsen at second with Jose Castillo being here to back him up. Shortstop will be decided by how Burriss looks the rest of the season. I think they unfortunately will bring in some veteran there too.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Jul 7, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I though it was realistic to expect Durham to be gone after 2006, but look what happened there. He played great and got re-signed. I’m afraid that Sabean will be tricked again by a(n admittedly not as good) Durham contract year.
Vizquel I think is a 50/50 shot, and if it is not him, I am 100% certain they will bring in some other vet. There is no way they are handing over a position to a kid unless they are forced by injury.
Aurilia isn’t as much of a danger for being re-signed as Durham, but he has the “history” with the franchise that might, coupled with a strong finish to this season, convince Sabean to sign him for another year so fans can wax nostalgic (and so he can take away at-bats from developing youth).
by kaliber on Jul 7, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
I actually tend to like Denker. He has shown the ability to draw walks and hit for a decent average. I tend to think of him as a poor man’s Predroia. Still, like him there more than Castillo, Velez, or Burriss. I much rather see Burriss at SS, that is, if he could handle the position.
by Squire_Boone on Jul 6, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I feel like he would hit with a little more power than Pedroia. I’d like to see Denker have a chance.
by Natto on Jul 6, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
I don’t see Denker being anywhere near the same level of talent as Pedroia. That guy is a bona fide stud.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 7, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why hes a poor mans pedroia
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Jul 7, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Poor man's" suggests there's a comparison to be made
In my mind, the only comparison is that Denker will never be remotely as good as Pedroia is.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 7, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
It’s not like Pedroia has the skill set of Joe Morgan or anything. He’s an excellent player because of his fantastic make up, not his skills. Perhaps Denker has that kind of FTW attitude, and will turn out closer to Pedroia than we all think.
by tyrannoman on Jul 7, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would be over the fucking moon if this happened
maybe i’m just unduly down on Denk.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 7, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix (Az) = D - Blanks
Geez , Pops , why the Ishikawa hate?
NL West TempestTeapot - An ENTIRE DIVISION under .500!
by victor frankenstein on Jul 7, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No to that trade
But an interesting article all the same. I don’t know much about the Brewers org, but it sounds like they’re going for broke this season: renting CC to complement Sheets and Fielder. And if Rosenthal is correct, they’ll restock their org with prospects from trading Fielder.
Sounds like a risky/reward-y strategy.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 6, 2008 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Restock the farm
Brewers also figure to get 5 of the top 35 picks in the 2009 June draft. The Brewers will have their own pick and figure to get two for FA Ben Sheets and two for FA CC Sabathia.
by wilriv21 on Jul 6, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
Fielder is one of the “right youngsters” Hardy would be packaged with. Then I’d consider it.
by sam23 on Jul 6, 2008 9:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that I'm saying you think so (maybe you do)
but I’ve seen people mention it here before.
Matt Cain is not worth as much as Prince Fielder, and it’s ridiculous that people here think to overvalue Cain so much that they think he should bring back not only Fielder, but multiple other prospects as well.
by kingofthacove on Jul 6, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielder isn’t nearly as valuable as you make him out to be. For one he has considerable long-term health concerns. And he does not play a premium position. And he’s not good defensively. He also has struggled to maintain the type of numbers he put up last season. And he’s looking to get paid big time to boot. Where is his value exactly?
Not to mention #1 potential starters will always carry more value then just about anyone or anything on the market unless its for a complete Superstar.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Dude’s fat, but they’re not carrying him out to first base with a forklift. He’s not going to fall apart before he hits free agency, so health risk a non-issue as far as a trade goes. I wouldn’t sign him to a 6 year deal after he hits free agency, of course, but you could say the same thing about Cain (and every other pitcher).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Jul 7, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
When I think of “health” in baseball I think of how many times a guy goes on the DL or misses games due to various aches and pains, not his waist to hip ratio. Prince is still young and hasn’t been hurt for a long period of time. In fact I can’t recall when he has been on the DL in his short career.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 7, 2008 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but look at his dad
same body type and he started to decline when he was 27.. prince scares me that he wont make it when hes 30
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Jul 7, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's still
a stud who flat out rakes and will anchor a lineup from the 4 hole for a long time
by sam23 on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't lived up to the expectations this season?
Sounds familiar. I wonder why it’s easy to ignore it for Cain, but not for Fielder, especially when Fielder is only half a year older. In addition to that, even with his relatively down year, he’s still putting up a 117 OPS+ while Cain is merely a league average pitcher. He’ll likely progress closer towards his numbers from last year as the season progresses as well (he went apeshit the last two months of 07).
Bhaakon addressed the “considerable long-term health concerns.” Someone who hits 50 jacks and puts up an OPS+ above 150 at age 23 is pretty damn close to, if not, superstar caliber. And I don’t see why you would point out that he wants to get paid, as if Cain will be willing to work for free the rest of his career?
by kingofthacove on Jul 7, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Fielder would command a considerable amount of money on the open market. More than Cain. And he will be arbitration eligible soon, and FA soon after that. To pay upwards of 20 mill a year for a 1st baseman who’s not the best in his league seems kind of ludicrous to me. Especially one who could breakdown at any moment given his waist size.
Cain at least is under control for a few more years at a modest price. Prince won’t be. Which to me means, how is he going to be more valuable than a 23 year old pitcher with Matt Cain’s talent and potential? Especially given Cain’s contract status.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain is locked up through 2011
And I believe Fielder is as well. His contract wouldn’t be nearly enough of a hindrance, assuming it’s through arbitration (or arbitration-equivalent prices) where he won’t make near $20M (more like half - at best) unless he’s shattering records, especially for a large market team with only one large contract.
It seems you’re trying to use a contract to justify Cain’s deficiencies relative to Fielder. If you don’t understand how a player who just put up a 156 OPS+ at age 23 isn’t a star and more valuable than Matt Cain, I don’t know what to tell you. If you can quantitatively prove to me that Matt Cain is or somehow will be more valuable than Prince Fielder, I’ll agree with you.
by kingofthacove on Jul 7, 2008 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention #1 potential starters will always carry more value then just about anyone or anything on the market unless its for a complete Superstar.
Got any proof?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 7, 2008 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Everything I know about baseball tells me that a) position players have more value than pitchers, and b) someone who is good now > someone who could be good one day.
You’re saying that a pitcher who has the potential to be a top 30 pitcher is more valuable than all hitters except for “complete Superstars”. Please define complete superstar.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 7, 2008 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proof that potential #1 starters carry more value than all but the most extreme superstars (Arod):
Barry Zito
Johan Santana
Erick Bedard
C.C. (shall see next year)
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 7, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These guys were #1 starters when they signed, not potential #1 starters.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 7, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito was actually kind of really not one by the time he got signed. But your point remains.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard was not. 1 great year does not make an ace. Especially when you can’t even stay healthy enough to last a whole season. Apparently Bill Bavasi disagrees, but there’s a reason why he now is unemployed. And he was also dumb enough to be seriously considering trading for a washed up Ken Griffey Jr when his team is in last place this year.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah I’m not saying that the Bedard deal was a good deal. Only that Bavasi saw him as a “proven” ace, not a potential one.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 7, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He already had one on his own team. Who was younger and better than Bedard. But Bavasi also thought it’d be a good idea to trade a potential closer in Rafeal Soriano for a soft tossing 5th starter in Horacio Ramirez….Bill Bavasi has to be one of the dumbest GM’s of all-time.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Bavasi has to be one of the dumbest GM’s of all-time.
Agreed.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 7, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
POSITION PLAYERS DO NOT HAVE MORE VALUE THAN PITCHERS!
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Jul 7, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1 potential starters will always carry more value then just about anyone or anything on the market
Fielder would command a considerable amount of money on the open market. More than Cain.
Apparently you disagree with yourself. I wonder which of you is right?
by Evan on Jul 7, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Cain is probably not seen as a #1 potential starter by at least a few GMs around the majors right now. Not my opinion- I think he’s a total potential ace, but depending on what stats you look at, his star may have faded a bit, whereas Fielder is what he is- an established young slugger.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Jul 7, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even as a #2
Cain probably has more value. Looking at baseball through Giants-colored glasses it is easy to over-value hitting and under-value pitching.
There are plenty of teams out there who are the exact opposite. The only thing more gut wrenching than losing 1-2 is going out and scoring 10 runs in a game only to have your #2 starter + bullpen puke up 11.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 7, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Via trade a pitcher is going to carry more value than Prince would. Fielder however on the open market would get a higher salary. For one, thanks to the Giants and the Zito failure, there’s going to be a reluctance to sign a pitcher to a long term extension of 7 years. There are others who have proven this to be a bad idea, like Hampton, Neagle, Brown etc.
Prince if and when he hits the FA market will be young, and due to the diminishing talent available on the FA market in recent years, teams will throw a SHITLOAD of money at him. Way more than he will be worth. If Juan Pierre can get 9 million a year, and Gary Matthews Jr something similar. What do you think a 25 or 26 year old Prince Fielder could get?
So because its less risky to sign a positional player to a long term contract, Prince would likely make more money on the open market then say a Matt Cain would. However in the trade market, I think Cain or a player of similar skills would have more value than Prince. Especially when you consider that Cain has been signed to an extension already and Prince hasn’t. Cain would be cheaper for a team to acquire, and thus be more valuable for the Giants, if they chose to trade him. A young talented pitcher is going to be very valuable anyway, even more so if they are controllable for a few years and at a cheap relative cost. Why do you think the Dbacks had to give up so much for Dan Haren? Whereas Santana brought a lot less, because he was only 1 year away from Free Agency.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still disagree w/ you on the FA standpoint
Santana’s extension shows that teams are still willing to go-Zito w/ FA offerings to starting pitcher talent.
However, I agree with the rest of what you have posted. Look at how much Bedard pulled – and while his year last year was better than Matt’s. (ERA+ of 146 vs. 122), Matt is 6 years younger.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 7, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think the Santana extension was a mistake too. Pitchers should not be given such a long term deal. Even if they’re as talented and proven as Johan Santana has been.
But yes pitchers usually always bring a lot in return.
Bedard had 1 good year last year. Now he’s back to being inconsistent, and he got a huge return for the Orioles.
Dan Haren had been more proven, was under control for another 3 years at low cost, and he brought back a boatload for the A’s.
Josh Beckett had never even thrown 200 innings, and had still been pretty inconsistent for the Marlins when they traded him to Boston, and Florida got Hanley Ramirez and 3 other prospects. Anibal Sanchez looked to be pretty damn good until he got hurt. But Ramirez by himself has made the trade for Florida a success for Florida.
Randy Johnson has been traded 3 times for All-Star players. First as part of a package of prospects for Mark Langston. 2nd time for Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen, and John Halama. Both Garcia and Guillen have been All-Stars. The 3rd time for Javier Vazquez, and Dioner Navarro. Now that Navarro is an All-Star, both have been AS in their careers.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I first read it
I thought it said they would give us hardy if we packaged cain with the right youngsters. I almost pooped my pants.
Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.
by The Thrill on Jul 6, 2008 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AW HELL NO
I’d trade Cain happily in the right deal. JJ Hardy is not it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 6, 2008 10:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well not happily, but I'd do it
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 6, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The who would you do it for?
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Jul 6, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no clue.
I’ll know when the deal comes up.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 7, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT is my kind of speculation!
I’m not even being sarcastic. I’m being completely, 100% serious.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy, Gamel, and an A ball arm?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 7, 2008 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job Baron
This is the deal I would make. If the Giants could get both Hardy and Gamel in the same deal for Cain, I would jump at this. They would solve the left side of the infield for years with good players in exchange for a starter whose head disappears way too often.
Look, I love Matt Cain, but after yesterday, if I can get Hardy and Gamel in the same deal and then reload with Alderson/Bumgarner, I’d do it.
Meet my three little friends: Timmy, Dirty, and Cain
by Buck Henry on Jul 7, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you'd solve the left side, offensively
But Gamel is horrible defensively. He’s worse than Braun. I think I’d want somebody who was at least competent defensively.
Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The defense is a concern for me too but given the fact that we have jack shit at third in the entire org, getting Gamel and fixing the problem to make him at least passable defensively would be worth it.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 7, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixing the problem
I suppose it’s possible. Pedro Feliz and Eric Chavez both improved their defense substantially. But they were at least adequate.
Was Feliz’s improvement due to our coaching or due to his own work or both? And if our coaching had anything to do with it, is it possible to duplicate that on somebody as bad as Gamel?
I’m not necessarily asking you, Baron, but you could answer if you have one.
Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You raise a good point, and
defense is very important and somewhat teachable. But if I have the chance to get a left side of the infield for the next 4-6 years where both of them hit .290, drive in 80-90 RBIs, and hit 20-25 bombs each, I take that deal.
Meet my three little friends: Timmy, Dirty, and Cain
by Buck Henry on Jul 7, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Gamel is a LH hitter. So those 25 bombs would probably be about 12, when he’s playing half of his games at the phone book.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the Brewers haven’t tried to fix his defense? Its possible obviously that he could improve, or you can just move him to the OF, and make things a lot easier.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players I'd definitely trade Cain for off hte top of my head:
Pujols, Hanley, Fielder, Braun, Longoria (probably King Felix and Hamels as well)
And Sizemore too if he’d be locked up
by kingofthacove on Jul 7, 2008 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won’t get us any of these guys.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 7, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, since the market was set by C. C. going for LaPorta, it is hard to believe that Cain could fetch more.
Which then, I suppose, begs the question: Is he worth trading is the only value you can get back for him is sub-LaPorta? (which is not said to imply that LaPorta is a bad deal by ANY stretch… just trying to contextualize the question)
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading him right now is just silly. He’s pitching better than his ERA and W/L, and odds are he’s only going to improve.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 7, 2008 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 months of C.C. < 3 years of Cain
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 7, 2008 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, of course, further contextualizes the question. Appreciated.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A resounding no shit
I was just sayin
by kingofthacove on Jul 7, 2008 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Cain for
Kendrick & Wood.
Not sure that the Angels would bite on that given the Halos inability to score runs this year.
by aGIANTfan on Jul 7, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’d do that. Kendrick hits for average and not much else and Wood has lost most of his prospect shine at this point
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 7, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have some reluctance now compared to earlier in the year.
I think Wood definitely needs a change of scenery – I consider him to be of more value if he can play an OK SS rather than 3B. He’s going to be more of a 7-hole type of hitter (Feliz-like maybe) than the 5-hitter that I thought he was going to be.
Re: Kendrick – IMO he’d be a great 2 hitter behind Lewis.
by aGIANTfan on Jul 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Kendrick, but I wouldn’t touch Wood. He’s going to be another AAAA player like McPherson.
And I doubt there’s any way we could get Kotchman, who looks like another Mark Grace.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to touch wood either
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on Jul 7, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
Perhaps they’d like to trade Bill Hall for Lincecum, while they’re at it.
by kaliber on Jul 6, 2008 10:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was expecting something completely different from this Fanpost.
by Natto on Jul 6, 2008 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Howie begs to differ
(Dear Buddha, Howie would like a plastic pony…)
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Jul 6, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG!
It’s a real pony and a plastic rocket.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can call me Captain Tightfonts.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, some of them can be Serenity blooper reel riffs.
Natto, try not to steal too much of their shit!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 6, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put the Baron front and center. She’s our friend; we should honor her.
(I’m sure I got that quote slightly wrong also)
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Jul 6, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d shoot you for it, but the cartridge fell out of my gun.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first time I read that, I thought you said the cartilage fell out.
Which obviously made no sense.
by kaliber on Jul 7, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU BROKE THE CHAIN!!!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason why they call it dope
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Jul 7, 2008 6:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also guys, Scott Boras is Fielder’s agent. That fact has a ton of weight on whether or not Fielder is retained following the hypothetical trade to the Giants.
Weight pun not intended.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 7, 2008 7:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're getting your smokables mixed up
Crack maybe.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Jul 7, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain
The most controversial player on the Giants. Mention him and watch the hijinks ensue!
Only 884 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jul 7, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds has been replaced.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 7, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007: Barry Bonds was by far my favorite current Giants player.
2008: Matt Cain is by far my favorite current Giants player.
I think it may be a curse.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008+: Barry Bonds is/was/ever will be by far my favorite Giants player
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Jul 7, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even have to talk very much anymore for it to really get going.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 7, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain and Castillo. Aside from both being on the Giants right now, McCovey Chronicles Comment-hijinks are about all that make them comparable. The most fun Fanpost would be something like “Lincecum>Cain>>>>>(x150)>>Castillo>Feliz”.
Castillo hits doubles.
by kennv on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Initially I agreed completely
Then I looked at his stats and wow, JJ Hardy is pretty darn good. If he finishes this year hitting 290/360/495 with 20 HR’s…..That’d be two straight years of great offensive production from the SS position and he’ll turn 26 this year. I know when he came up he also had the reputation of a strong defensive player too although I don’t know how that has shaken out now.
I fully expect that Matt Cain will pitch much better in the second half and again be one of the best young starters in the league. I fully he can be the 1B to Timmy’s 1A for the future Giants….....But I don’t think its you need to be high to think that he could be traded for a borderline All-Star type SS who is 26 years old.
by hammystyle on Jul 7, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that the past two weeks don’t count, but Hardy had only about a ~.680 OPS about two weeks ago. He’s gone on a huge tear all of a sudden. I’d like to see where he is at the end of the season before I go trading Matt Cain for him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 7, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's nuts.
...and I agree with you. Its also fair to mention that the last two weeks could be the start of a long hot streak where his current stats are blown away. Either way he had a good 2007 and 2008 is even better so far. He’s 26 and appears to be getting better. He’s fairly similar to Alex Rios last offseason in that regard except that there’s a world of difference between a SS and an OF.
by hammystyle on Jul 7, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm just saying....
That if we’re talking about a .850 OPS SS with good defense who could be a Giant for 5-10 years, then yes that seems like it could be a fair deal for our talented young starter.
by hammystyle on Jul 7, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true, but I’d still like to see where he is at the end of the year. I’m sure a lot of people would have traded their grandmas for him after about a month last year, when he started out on a ridiculous tear, but while how he ended up last year was solid (100 OPS+) for a shortstop, it’s not exactly worth a Matt Cain.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 7, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he finishes this year with a 125 OPS+
Does that make him worth a Matt Cain?
by hammystyle on Jul 7, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he manages that? Yeah, probably. But I don’t think that will happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jul 7, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trigger, of course, is that that was right about the time I finally gave up and waived him from my fantasy team.
by Evan on Jul 7, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers are going to lose Sabathia and Sheets when the season is over. They are going to be desperate for starting pitchers not about to go free agent on them. Matt Cain has to be someone they would love to have. I also think they wouldn’t give us Fielder for him even up, but why not throw in another starter?? Throw in Kevin Correia or even Noah Lowry if he returns this year and proves to be healthy. That could get it done.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Jul 7, 2008 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But Gallardo will be back next year. And they’ll get 4 1st round picks for the 2 FA pitchers. Cain would have made sense, but I don’t think Prince would have been available seeing as they’re trying to go for broke this year with Sheets leaving after this year. They haven’t been to the playoffs since 1982, that’s a long time.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but why do they have to go for broke?? They’ve been contenders even before they acquired Sabathia. They really don’t have to replace two top starters to remain contenders, only one. If they traded for Matt Cain they would still be contenders in the central next season, even after losing CC and Sheets.
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Jul 7, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well would you rather have CC Sabathia for the playoff push or Matt Cain? I’d rather have Sabathia. Especially with the way he’s pitched lately. Also seeing as Sabathia is a rent-a-player, he’s going to command less value than somebody like Cain or Erik Bedard, or even a Joe Blanton.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Rosenthal
What would Sabean want in return for a top 2b and LHP relief stud?
by wilriv21 on Jul 7, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would hate to have to give up Taschner. But relievers are so inconsistent year to year, so maybe it wouldn’t be such a bad thing to get something for him while his value is highest. Wonder if we could get Bill Hall or Rickie Weeks in return? Both have been rumored to be on the Brewers trade block for awhile. Problem is both seem to have issues with making consistent contact. Both are problematic defensively too.
The Brewers do have a lower tiered OF/1B prospect named Michael Brantley who can hit and draw walks, as well as steal bases. His biggest problem is he doesn’t hit for much power, despite a decent frame, and he takes bad routes in the OF and has a weak arm. But he’s still pretty young. He didn’t turn 21 until May of this year and he’s performing well in AA. But he profiles more as a 4th OF or platoon guy.
Jonathan Lucroy, a C, or Taylor Green a 3B would be ideal targets. Both are patient, can hit for some pop and are doing well. And neither are the top prospects at their position on the organizational depth chart, so its possible we could pry one of them away.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 7, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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