MSNBC Reports NL and AL Starters (Lincecum Not Starting)
by camwoody on Jul 5, 2008 7:32 PM PDT
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A supposed leak has revealed the AL and NL starters for the allstar game and our boy is not the starter. Instead Arizona Diamondbacks' starter Brandon Webb will be the starter.
I have to admit that I am a bit disapointed that Timmy won't be starting the game but I am more upset that apparently wins count more than anything else when determining quality of pitchers. Here are the stats and you tell me if this is a smart decision.
Webb- 12-4 3.34era 118ip 100k 31bb
Lincecum- 10-1 2.49era 115.2ip 122k 44bb
I don't personally see how you can justify that decision. What about you?
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Well, I think making All Star decisions based on a single half of a season is a bit rash, and if you take last year’s second half into consideration, Webb seems like more of a solid choice.
by cheno on Jul 5, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait isn't this the 2008 All Star Game not the 2007 2nd 1/2-2008 1st 1/2 All Star Game
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by camwoody on Jul 5, 2008 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if you want to be persnickety it’s the all STAR game and Webb’s Cy Young Award does push him more into that star realm than Timmy’s gotten thus far. The SI cover’s nice; maybe a Cy of his very own will await him in a few months, and stardom seems imminent, but it might not be quite here yet.
I’ve never been able to get to worked up about all star game decisions personally, it’s just an exhibition, a PR stunt (and frankly I rarely watch much of it anyway), what’s the point in getting upset about it?
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by Roger on Jul 5, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My snarky replay to your snarky point would be “Then why don’t they call it the ‘Only first 1/2 of 2008 all-stat game’?”
If the game is about “Stars” like Roger says, Webb has been a bigger star for longer than Tim. Will Ferrell might not be a better technical actor than Edward Norton, but he’s a bigger star.
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by Goofus on Jul 6, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Blame Me!
i voted for zito.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 5, 2008 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Current Baseball Prospectus VORP Numbers
has Webb as fifteenth best starter in the NL, Timmy at number one
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204030
- Tim Lincecum – SFN – 38.1
- Ben Sheets – MIL – 38.0
- Dan Haren – ARI – 35.0
- Cole Hamels – PHI – 34.9
- Edinson Volquez – CIN – 34.2
- Carlos Zambrano – CHN – 33.1
- Tim Hudson – ATL – 31.3
- Aaron Cook – COL – 30.2
- Johan Santana – NYN – 28.6
- Chad Billingsley – LAN – 26.0
- Jair Jurrjens – ATL – 25.3
- Ryan Dempster – CHN – 24.6
- Adam Wainwright – SLN – 23.6
- Jake Peavy – SDN – 23.1
- Brandon Webb – ARI – 22.3
The ESPN baseball writing group gave 17 NL starting pitcher votes in its all-star game survey to Volquez, and then Timmy 11, Webb 3, and Dan Haren 1
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar08/news/story?id=3472772
Only other Giant to get some ESPN love was Benji, 3 votes
by SnowLeopard on Jul 5, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Webb is not a good choice, though I guess last year counts too.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webb is not even the best choice from his team.
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by kennv on Jul 5, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it would be Webb. Just like with the opening day starter they go with the veteran over the kid.
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by rxmeister on Jul 5, 2008 8:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just glad they chose the most veteran-y veteran-tastic pitcher to start.
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by Chulk on Jul 5, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's only
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 6, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Jason Schmidt
injure himself in an all-star game, and was never exactly the same since?
by SnowLeopard on Jul 5, 2008 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i.e.
I am fine with Timmy not being under the pressure of starting the game, maybe under short rest
by SnowLeopard on Jul 5, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he just hit Edgar Martinez in the head.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much. Didn’t he get hit by a line drive?
by Hobbes2d on Jul 6, 2008 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget Atlee Hammaker in 1983: 7 runs in 2/3 of an inning, I believe. Never the same after.
by jcb9 on Jul 6, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love the 0 votes for brandon webb.. now that i’ve said that, i’ll be somebody will toss in the vote :P
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by GiNgiNxbOi on Jul 5, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Choice 5: Who cares.
“Justifying decisions” usually is a need that is reserved for stuff that matters. I, personally, would prefer that no Giant appears in an AS game, as it is very tiring and very time-consuming (the logistics of travel to and from are pretty fierce—and all this while the rest of your competition is resting). So whether Tim pitches Innings 1-2 vs. 3-4 is a good, old-fashioned Who Gives A Damn.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 5, 2008 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
nobody over the age of 16 should give a flying fuck about the All-Star Game. It is a useless exhibition.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 5, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously the MLB marketing team and their message isn't sinking in...
Remember….THIS time it counts!
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by PacBellBoozer on Jul 5, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the result has been the same every year
I don’t think the new strategy is working
by positiveuphemism on Jul 6, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like the Grammies. 16 years old, and out.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 5, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The AL should run Livo out there!! How great would that be?!
by StickRat on Jul 6, 2008 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always said they should use the worst pitchers in baseball for the all star game. It would make it an exciting slugfest instead of the boring 2-1 games we always see. Zito vs. Livan would be a perfect matchup
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by rxmeister on Jul 6, 2008 6:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This would indeed be a fun spectacle.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 6, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, with the Dodgers in the NL, Zito wouldn’t have anyone to strike out.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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