Will Matt Cain have to turn into Genghis Khan to succeed?
by foothillsfan on Jul 30, 2008 9:14 AM PDT
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Reading about Cain getting tagged with a "loss", a statistical baddy, I realize there’s lots of parallels to the movie I saw last night--"Mongol", a biography of Genghis Khan’s (Temudgin’s) early years. Temudgin was a decent and brainy person, and rose to greatness because of his mercy, fairness, and ability to bring order and peace. The film portrays this part of him well, and shows that he led people in battle only as a last resort, to subdue unruly groups of neighbors.
Maybe that’s what Matt C will have to do–eliminate several teammates with swords, clubs, pikes, and long-distance arrows in order to get some help and unity. Watching a Cain game always gives me mixed emotions–fine quality, classic pitching, sneaky opponents, and usually a Giants loss. And so, with the movie "Mongol," the upsides include the accurate portrayal of tribal life in that area (I’ve read a few books, seems right to me), and of the bond between him and wife Borte (Bourtai), friends since childhood. Also great scenery, lovely details in terms of music, crafts, animals, and even jewelry. Then there’s bodies flying and blood spurting, some folks will get more of a kick out of that than I did. All lovely to watch and professionally directed by Sergei Bodrov (his "Prisoner of the Mountains" is a brilliant fictional film about at the human side of the Chechnya conflict).
Now I’m eager for a sequel–the film ends just as he gets Mongolia unified, but before they conquer outside it. Next one ought to cover Temudgin’s creativity with military tactics and peacetime administration. I hope Cain sticks around for the Giants’ rise to greatness, but I’m in suspense. He's got the physical and mental toughness of a Mongol tribe leader. Just needs better warriors.
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Genghis Cain
catchy
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Jul 30, 2008 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Epic battle!!!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 30, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
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by jponry on Jul 30, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like Genghis Suck
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by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd best Khan of Mongolia
At best.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Jul 30, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spectacular
You managed to tie the movie review to topical baseball stuff!! I am in awe.
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by delorean on Jul 30, 2008 9:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So ...
are you taking nominations for “team mates to be eliminated” ?
actually, nm … that’s just too easy…
by Merope on Jul 30, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mongol
Hey, my Mom was just telling me about this movie, which she just saw. I’d never heard of it until now. I looked it up and it turns out that the Temudgin character was played by Tadanobu Asano, who I liked as the rival samurai in 2003’s Zatoichi.
As for last night: gah.
by non sequitur on Jul 30, 2008 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard that this caused some controversy among Mongolians who were annoyed a non-Mongolian actor was cast as their national hero.
They need to remember, though, that it could have been worse – it could have been John Wayne.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or a Carradine brother
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by delorean on Jul 30, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guys nite out
I went with 2 guys, rather than drag my squeeze and get criticized later. There were plenty of women there enjoying it. I guess if they’ve been to action movies, Mongol is not any more violent.
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by foothillsfan on Jul 30, 2008 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If my mom liked it (and she did), it could not have been too violent. Actually, she told me that this installment (it’s designed to be a triology?) was a love story.
by non sequitur on Jul 30, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mongol
GREAT movie
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by lmaozedong on Jul 30, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain stats (this seems as good a place as any)
The Giants have scored a grand total of 1 run during the last 29 innings that Matt Cain has been the pitcher of record. They’ve scored a grand total of 3 runs over his last 43 innings on the mound.
Also, I checked his 2008 starts to see whether a common perception--that the Giants score a ton of runs in the game immediately preceeding a Matt Cain start—was true. It’s happened a lot recently (they’ve scored 7, 6, 4, 3 and 5 in the games before his last five starts) but not much the rest of the year. Incredibly, the Giants were 0-11 in the games before his first 11 starts of the season.
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by Kitspool on Jul 30, 2008 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In July, Matt had a 1.88 ERA in 43 IP, 32 H, 14 BB, 41 K, 1.07 WHIP
He went 2-3. That’s ridiculous.
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by jponry on Jul 30, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sucks because he hit no homeruns to back up his pitching.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, congrats to Kitspool and jponry. You have put together two of the most depressing posts of the year. I know it has been bad for Cain, obviously everyone knows, but I didn’t realize it was that bad. How Cain hasn’t exploded in rage is beyond me.
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by marcello on Jul 30, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2008 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
looks shopped
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 30, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve travelled around and seen a few shops myself.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally
those swords were obviously added in later
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by delorean on Jul 30, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re good
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by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, young Skywalker… you will die!
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by howtheyscored on Jul 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Commander Cody, the time has come. Execute Order 66.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s see, if I was Matt, would I want folks to call me Sugar Cain or Genghis Cain?
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by foothillsfan on Jul 30, 2008 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
got to admit the “Genghis” handle is quickly growing on me.
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by daveinexile on Jul 30, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m gold
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Jul 30, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both
Sugar Cain = Cain in the locker room after run support
Genghis Cain = Cain in the locker room after no run support
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by hairball on Jul 30, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Matt Cain have to turn into Genghis Khan to succeed?
Yes he will.
Without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it’s time for our viewers to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?
Yes I would, Kent.
by Salemicus on Jul 30, 2008 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Genghis Khan would still be around today if he focused more on technologies like Irrigation, Code of Laws, and Steam Power. Also, his lack of temples and cathedrals left his cities with low culture. It’s hard to overcome something like that.
by Grant on Jul 30, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But the facial hair should make up some of that.
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by daveinexile on Jul 30, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some historians give Genghis credit for advancing the Rule of Law relative to what they had in that area. He and his heirs did improve communication and trade. Lack of any water transport made that difficult, and for sure coastal areas would have surpassed anything the Mongols could have done. They were not interested in agriculture or irrigation or large buildings, so you’re right, the legacy is mostly just the temporary conquests. Which included Europe as far as Budapest.
Any ideas on alternative-history books about Mongols? I’m in the middle of Kim Stanley Robinson’s excellent “years of rice and salt” about Europe getting wiped out by plague, and America being explored by various asians.
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by foothillsfan on Jul 30, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there another kind?
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by delorean on Jul 30, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, one could just imagine some crap and write it down.
But the religion thread was yesterday, sorry.
by toofruss on Jul 30, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t expand your empire and keep a strong economy without Code of Laws. That’s just common sense.
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by groug on Jul 30, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right but the mountains around ulanbataar (or something) had hella iron and those are like four shields a turn
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by i did my job on Jul 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon
Everyone knows that developing the Great Library is the key, go-to tactic.
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by Aadik on Jul 30, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
FIRST, the Pyramids. Later, switch to state property, as soon as you research communism. Also: Keshiks are freaking schweet.
Molina's gonna test his arm...
by Victorious Secret on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cain wants his teammates to respect him he must first thrash his chick flick collection
by wilriv21 on Jul 30, 2008 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But the team loves his post-game Maid in Manhattan, The Wedding Planner, Monster-In-Law marathons. If the team wins, he throws in Selena as a cherry on top.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 30, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain owns Chicken Run? Actually, friends of mine liked it a lot.
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by foothillsfan on Jul 30, 2008 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s really funny and enjoyable.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 30, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jane Horrocks ftw
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by delorean on Jul 30, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of pie?
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by howtheyscored on Jul 30, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apple
Only 867 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jul 30, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 30, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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