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TEIXEIRA TO THE ANGELS

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Just got word that Mark Teixeira is heading to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and minor league pitching prospect Steven Marek.Link

This should make the Angels a force to be reckoned with, giving them a decent power hitter alongside Vladimir Guerrero. They have everything to win the World Series now: Speed, Power, Starting Pitching, Relief Pitching, and a good coach. Teixeira gives them power, average, a little bit of speed, and a good fielder.

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I am so confused

Now I see no comments.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 29, 2008 3:27 PM PDT   0 recs

So the D-Backs just lost out on Tex,

even after they were willing to part with Conor Jackson or even Micah Owings to get him, or both?

Meet my three little friends: Timmy, Dirty, and Cain

by Buck Henry on Jul 29, 2008 3:28 PM PDT   0 recs

There’s no way the Dbacks were willing to give up Jackson or the deal would have gotten done. (And it would have been one of the worst trades of all time.)

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why did you “even Micah Ownings” like he’s better than Conor Jackson?

by kingofthacove on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not my intent,

just commenting that some of the media and bloggers elsewhere said that the D-Backs were willing to part with Jackson, or a Owings/Tracy combo to get Tex. Owings is pretty good himself, although not as good as Jackson.

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by Buck Henry on Jul 29, 2008 4:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All I heard was that they were not willing to part with Jackson.

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by marcello on Jul 29, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

or Parker or Scherzer

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2008 7:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup

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by marcello on Jul 29, 2008 7:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In a vacuum, I think this deal is fine for the Braves – 3 years of Kotchman for 2 months of Teixeira is not bad.

But when you look at it in the overall picture of how they gave up a crapload of talent for Tex and ended up going absolutely nowhere with him and ended up with Kotchman, it’s pretty bad.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM PDT   0 recs

I don’t know … they gave it a shot, it didn’t work, and instead of trying to prove they were right all along, they made the best of it.

by Evan on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

They made the previous deal. DONE.

You then move on from there.

by wilriv21 on Jul 29, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 29, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that’s true. Still, the original Teixeira trade looks pretty bad for them.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 29, 2008 3:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

That is the risk you take sometimes. Had the Braves been able to go deep in the playoffs this year or last, things would look different.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 29, 2008 3:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

funny

People can keep perspective for gambling on trades like that for other teams, but if the Giants traded away 5 or 6 top prospects for a 2 year rental of Mark Teixeira and never made the playoffs, I doubt they’d get the same treatment.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You are right

But I would not be in that camp.

I still say the AJ trade, in it’s context, wasn’t that bad.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 29, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and why people still lament over the deal instead of moving on makes no sense to me.

by wilriv21 on Jul 29, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think most people have moved on. Acknowledging it as a horrible trade doesn’t mean we haven’t moved on.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 29, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Freakin’ asterisks.

by cheno on Jul 29, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The difference is that AJ sucked and was non-tendered. Teixeira was at least good while he was there, and even netted a few players on his way out to cushion the blow.

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally. That was more of a response to “why won’t people get over it??”

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

AJ was about as good as Molina if not better. Why people blow Molina, yet hate AJ is quite hilarious to me. Probably because we traded talent to get AJ.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2008 4:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think part of the reason is that Molina replaced Mike Limp-Bat Matheny.

Gosh, why didn’t we just stick with the dirt-cheap Yorvit in the first place and avoided all of this?

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think part of the reason is that Benjie seems infinitely more likable to both fans and teammates.

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by Goofus on Jul 29, 2008 4:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention the training staff.

The All-Father is now a Giant!

by EliminateMe on Jul 29, 2008 5:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t really get all the Molina love either, tbf.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 29, 2008 5:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

Not a huge Molina fan.

Only 868 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2008 5:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

MVP! MVP!

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by Natto on Jul 29, 2008 5:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he tries his hardest

and produces pretty well for a catcher as good as he is. He calls an excellent game, has a pretty decent arm, and can hit some too. He definitely earns his paycheck. Well…at least a little more than some other ‘gamers’ around here.

by boonitez on Jul 29, 2008 9:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He’s also been asked to carry a lot more than ever before and has performed above expectations. What’s not to like?

"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
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by achiappanza on Jul 31, 2008 8:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it also seemed the Front office was ready to “done” with A.J. be the All Star break. If you put that much into the pot at least have the courage of your freaken convictions and stick with it a bit. That’s the part the disgusts me.

If A.J. had been over 30 I am pretty sure they would have had of patience with him.

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by daveinexile on Jul 30, 2008 8:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

great

now all my wit n’ wisdom from the other thread is LOST

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 29, 2008 3:34 PM PDT   0 recs

This fall on ABC.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 29, 2008 3:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so Tiexiera is actually the smoke monster

it all makes sense now…

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OMG SPOILER

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by Natto on Jul 29, 2008 3:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IT STARTS IN JANUARY YOUR SUCH A STUPID

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by groug on Jul 29, 2008 4:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

stupid angels

i hate you so much

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by The Gene Hackman on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM PDT   0 recs

So, what do you guys think?

Will the Giants make a deal with the Marlins for Molina, and we end up with Mike Jacobs?

Meet my three little friends: Timmy, Dirty, and Cain

by Buck Henry on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM PDT   0 recs

promises, promises

by wilriv21 on Jul 29, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey I didn’t promise any Lucy Liu’s or anything

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by SoFa King Mike on Jul 29, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good trade for Atl, but I agree with Jponry, that with all they gave up to get Tex a few years ago, it doesn’t look as good.

I don’t think this is that great of a move for Anaheim. Losing Kotchman will hurt. He was getting hot, and was the catalyst for their big inning against the Red Sox last night with his 2 run HR off Dice K that helped blow the game open. I have a hard time believing the Angels couldn’t have traded some prospects or other players to get Tex and keep Kotchman. But in true Angels fashion they are holding tight to their prospects, most of whom seem to flame out anyway….

by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Would you still feel this way if the Angels end up signing Tex to a long-term extension? Also, where does Kotchman play if the Angels had hung onto him?

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One

of them could have DH’d. Anything to get Gary Matthews Jr out of the lineup would have to be seen as a positive.

1. Figgins 3b
2. Kotchman DH/1B
3. Vlad RF
4. Teixeira 1b/DH
5. Hunter CF
6. Anderson LF
7. Kendrick 2b
8. Napoli/Mathis C
9. Izturis SS

And you could even platoon Rivera and Willits in the OF to give Vlad and Anderson days off. And even god forbid Matthews Jr.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Believe the Anaheim Angels will only sign one – Guerrero OR Tex

by wilriv21 on Jul 29, 2008 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As somebody who wasn’t really in on the scene at the time, how close were the Giants to getting Vlad?

by cheno on Jul 29, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Dodgers have him sealed and delivered

but with the LA ownership change the Angels swept in and signed Guerrero

by wilriv21 on Jul 29, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you demote Reggie Willits to make room for having both Teixeira and Kotchman on the roster?

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is particularly interesting because i could see the Angels being the type of team that might be willing to shell out the dough to keep him this offseason. Vlad isn’t getting any younger after all and the Angels could use a new young offensive centerpiece.

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by Smoke on the Water on Jul 29, 2008 3:41 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed,

Moreno could shell out the big money to keep him, now that it has cost him Kotchman.

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by Buck Henry on Jul 29, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They almost have to, otherwise they’ll be shopping for a 1b next year. If Teixeira leaves they have no one to play 1st. Kendry Morales can’t really be a legitimate option.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2008 4:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dear Mark Texiera,
Now that you’ve seen that the Rangers and Braves will move you around like a piece of luggage (sign with the Giants) and that the Angels will have you for only about two months (sign with the Giants), please go into the off season with an (sign with the Giants) open mind. There are lots of teams out there (sign with the Giants) that could use your services. Thank you for your (sign with the Giants) time. Sincerely,

Goofus McSubliminalbutter

Adoptive father of howtheyscored. The beatings will begin momentarily.

by Goofus on Jul 29, 2008 4:34 PM PDT   0 recs

I’m pretty torn on signing Tex. He’ll cost a lot of money, cost us a 2nd round draft pick, and we will get him during his 30’s in a pitcher’s park. But he is a legit superstar at a position of weakness for us.

I feel like I could be talked into or out of it pretty easily.

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Im going to start swearing at people every time I seem them say "pitchers park"

According to BR, the park factor for ATT is 100.

That is neutral.

Get over it!

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah

The money for Tex wouldn’t bother me – it would be the years.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, the contract overall will be pretty scary. And it wouldn’t mind me so much if we didn’t already commit all of that money in Zito. We’d have like 40 mil a year tied up in the two!

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK OK, sorry. Does that stat change for left-handers, though?

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pitcher's Park

Has that stat been neutral for more than a year or two? I know that it used to be sub-100 in all categories for at least the first five years of the place.

"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002

by achiappanza on Jul 31, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he's a switch hitter

his power wouldn’t take that much of a beating from the right side at least. He also hits for a hearty average and still drives in a lot of runs.

by boonitez on Jul 29, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m just glad he was on the Braves long enough for Ohman to say “Mark Teix…Tesh… Mark’s playing first” while announcing the lineups for Fox.

by cheno on Jul 29, 2008 4:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Do Not Want

Teixeira to sign here. Boras is his agent. And not the friendly Jeff Boras, but Scott. Teixeira’s going to want a ridiculous amount of money and I’m sure he will get it too. Sorry, but I don’t really want to pay a guy 120 to 165 mill to not even be among the top 5 at his position. I’d much rather let Baltimore or the Yankees make that mistake.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2008 4:56 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: not being among the top 5

Zito: “That job is TAKEN!”

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 4:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it wouldnt be a mistake

if the yanks shelled out that kind of money.. just if we did

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by Azmanz on Jul 29, 2008 5:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wtf are you smoking

name one first baseman who is clearly better than Teixeira. And also, we have a shitload of money on our payroll not being spent. The money wouldn’t be much of a problem.

by boonitez on Jul 29, 2008 9:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

clearly better than Teixeira

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.

by S.F. Giangst on Jul 29, 2008 10:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, Pujols is really the only obvious one. M. Cabrera, and Howard have comparable offensive track-records but are defensive butchers.

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2008 10:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Prince Fielder!

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by Natto on Jul 29, 2008 11:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he's kinda like ryan howard

all he does is hit homers. not enough rbi’s and kind of a crappy BA.

by boonitez on Jul 30, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He’s really only had one transcendent season. I believe in his ability, but he just doesnt have the track record to be in that group.

by rotorueter on Jul 30, 2008 9:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’d take Berkman, Adrian Gonzalez (he plays great D too and has good pop, RBI ability, prob hit for better AVG if he had real protection too), Morneau, Youkilis (also plays great D), Fielder, Cabrera and Howard all have the track records that I would take them over Teixiera too because they have more power potential.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 30, 2008 12:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But you wouldn’t want to sign most of them through their mid-30’s. Teixeira is unique in that he is not as reliant on old-player skills as the rest of those.

Also, Youkilis? Really?

by rotorueter on Jul 30, 2008 9:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

11th in the bigs in OBPS

i’ll take it

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by delorean on Jul 30, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mark Teixeira OPS+ : 139
Kevin Youkilis OPS+: 139

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