Apologies for the sulfur smell....

Tom Smykowski: It was a “Jump to Conclusions” mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor… and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

Michael Bolton: That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life, Tom.

Samir: Yes, this is horrible, this idea.

It wasn’t the decision on Saturday that was moronic; it was the decision from Lincecum’s previous game. Blame Bochy, yes, but blame him for the first decision.

This is 100% correct.

This is a non-issue I think. I heard some of the audio from Ralph on KNBR online but I didn’t heard the whole thing. I strongly disagree with the “hes no made of porcelain” comment he made.

I think if anything, the Giants have been too hard on Lincecum at times this year. Call me a wuss if you want, but more times than not, I haven’t liked the way that Bochy has handled Lincecum and Cain. Not because he took them out too early but because he left them in too long when they were physically gassed.

The Giants should have a few goals this year, first and foremost is the health of Cain, Lincecum, and Sanchez.

I am POed with inserting Walker.

I think the two-word description “talk radio” said it all. And yes, Bochy’s handling of Tim in the previous game was the questionable one, not this one.

It was just the idiocy of the whole thing that got to me. Bochy should have taken Timmy out earlier in that game against the Brewers, he was clearly not feeling well. IF he had been smart he would have pulled Timmy after 5 that day….

Where’s that dead horse graphic?

and put 10$ on lincecum and the giants (even odds) so at the time i wanted lincecum to stay in.. but looking back.. 10$ isnt worth a hurt lincecum

I never listen to sports-talk radio. I don’t see its purpose when the average McC poster has much more insight.

I completely agree. I felt like I was taking crazy pills listening to Ralph and the KNBR callers last night. And while I did disagree with Bochy’s choice of reliever (with three straight lefties due up, I would’ve gone with Taschner or Hinshaw), I did not disagree with his taking Lincecum out.

I just think it’s kind of funny that this kind of thing happens to Cain a dozen times and causes a “Woe is us” attitude from Giants fans. It happens to Timmy once and we’re marching on the phonebooth with torches and pitchforks. It’s a strange world.

is that Walker’s still getting to pitch the 8th

More often than not this year, Bochy has left both Cain and Lincecum in too long. There have been a few starts where he has sent Cain and Lincecum out for another inning and where both of them gave up 2 or three runs.

Concerning Ralph (and KNBR talk radio in general): I can’t stand the guy. I don’t know how he even got to where he is. His voice is grating and his baseball analysis seems stuck in the 80’s.

Oh, and on a related, but somewhat OT note about dumb KNBR hosts, what was up with Rod Brooks and That Idiot White Sox Fan’s bashing of the Dark Knight the other day? There wasn’t enough Joker in it? You just can’t please some people.

The bullpen is not. The young guys (Hinshaw, Espinelli, Romo, Matos) need to be given more chances in high leverage situations simply to see if they can learn to be useful relievers in the future. They are going to blow some games, but that is what this season should be about. One thing I am fairly certain of, the next meaningful Giants season will not have Tyler Walker pitching in that situation.

and Ralph screaming that they should shut down Lincecum for the rest of the year made me want to gouge his eyeballs out. What I actually did, though, was flip over to the Tigers and Indians on XM. That whole every baseball game thing is awesome. Oh, yeah, back on topic. Ralph made a complete moron of himself yesterday, and the way he attacked Ted when Ted (rightly) brought up Mark Prior was horrible.

Give them the ball and let them pitch, And start this down on the farm so when they get to the bigs they are ready to pitch more than this artificial pitch count plateau of 100 and more than 150 innings. Look I realize not all pitchers are built the same and the Matt Cains are the work horses and the Jonathan Sanchezs are the quarter horses but you will get a better read on each pitcher after 3 years of minor league after putting them the rigors of letting them pitch rather than babying them.

Am I the only one wondering what Grant’s half-warmed post on the trading deadline was going to be like?

and anybody who suggests anything else is a complete idiot. I have actually been mostly happy with the way Bochy has handled Lincecum, there have been two games that I thought he left him in too long and I was absolutely livid both times, the first one was last week against the Brewers obviously, and the 2nd one was this one where he sent him out for the 8th inning after being at about 105 to end the 7th and he gave up two hits and was pulled.

I agree mostly with the decision, my main thing was I would have taken Walker out sooner than Bochy did, he’s obviously been struggling, but he was good earlier in the season and so I think he earned the right to be called on. When he is on, he is untouchable (unfortunately, he’s not on much…), but when he’s not, just pull him quickly and try someone else.

I think people are too focused on one pitching event. Unless Bochy left him out there for 150-200 pitches, there is really no evidence that one such outing affects a pitcher long-term, which is what the concern here is about (it might have some short-term performance effects, don’t recall if there was a study of that or not, maybe BP). It is the accumulation of such abuses that adds up to physical problems, at least accordig to BP’s theories on this (Bill James disagrees vehemently with the whole PAP theory, BTW, and openly took them on in a book, which I found fascinating, as he allowed BP to put in their rebuttal).

Other than an extreme like that or making him pitch when he’s obviously injured, this is not a “safe falling out of a building” situation, it is a “straw that breaks the camel’s back” situation, one of long-term abuse.

And, to steal from Eoin Colfer, actually, that is the whole point of BP’s PAP system, that continual and long-term abuse would lead to greater risk of injury, not that one particularly game would destroy his arm. They built their system to add up the abuse, but I believe what Bochy says about each game being individual, one game a pitcher probably should be taken out at 90 pitches, others he is OK at 120, so the PAP to me is just a rough approximation, a way of equalizing and standardizing each situation when every situation is a unique situation, in order to do some analysis and evaluation.

Some of us drive up from Visalia, a good 45 minutes south of Fresno! WHAT ABOUT US!?

Seriously, though, how can any Giants fan be upset at Tim and think he demanded out of the game? Let me explain something to your morons (I’ll do it very slowly so you can understand completely)...

Tim…Lincecum…has the potential to be…the greatest Giants pitcher…of all time. If you have any complaints about him…you can cram it. He is 1/2 of the hope of of this franchise in the next 10 years (the other 1/2 being the #3 starter AT BEST!). So sit down…shut up…and enjoy The Enchanter in all his glorious splendor.

I believe Lincecum has to be handled differently; like Righetti was quoted saying, ” I handle him differently than every other pitcher, I leave him alone”, they should let Lincecum dictate when he’s had enough, because obviously, only he knows.

Yes I do. But I also believe guys like Cain & espescially Tim can handle a bigger pitch count than they are given, without serious “injury” risk. Pitch counts are only in place because of modern contracts. Period.

...he’s one of the few people in the Bay Area media who doesn’t blow Sabean (or did – I moved from SF last Sept and might be out of the loop by now). Oh, and Amici’s is pretty good.

Other than that, meh. He’s listenable though. You haven’t heard bad sports talk radio until you’ve heard Mike Francessa yell over a caller, or the Big Show in Boston with their numbskulls.

if they ever had a tim lincecum bobblehead night, i’d grab all my friends and get there extra early.

What do you make of young Bowker?

Ralph looks way different than I pictured him to be.. I just googled his picture.

im still waiting for sharksrog’s opinion on this matter..

Y’all should turn to ESPN2 if you can. John Lackey is up to something…

I was at the game. I was thinking about going either Saturday or Sunday and then I saw who was pitching on Saturday (Linc) and on Sunday (Zito) and bought tickets to Saturday, even though Sunday was Matt Cain bobblehead day. I’d like the bobblehead, but not at the expense of paying to see Zito.

Anyway, for me, the game was as long as Lincecum pitched. I was satisfied seeing him throw a career high in K’s and leave with a lead. Seeing Walker enter the game meant probably that the Giants would lose, but I didn’t care. For me, the game was already over. Bochy left the fat man out there way too long, but he’s a shitty manager, so what do you expect?

Plus, in the 9th inning, Lou Seals pants fell down. It was pretty funny.