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Open Gameday Thread, 7/27

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W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP Worth a 7-yr. deal at some point?
2008 - Barry Zito 5-12 20 20 0 0 0 0 103.2 122 73 64 10 63 67 5.56 1.78 No
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP Worth a 7-yr. deal at some point?
2008 - Randy Johnson 7-7 18 18 1 0 0 0 105.0 112 65 57 15 29 99 4.89 1.34 Yes
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Last night's game: Worst loss of the season?
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Was it really that bad? I just saw the box score, and it neither surprised nor crushed me.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2008 10:32 AM PDT   0 recs

yes it was really that bad

Your starting pitcher tosses 13 strikeouts… and you still lose? Ugh
Ralph’s rant after the game was a classic “He’s [Lincecum] not made of porcelain!!”

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To be honest, I think Bochy’s reasoning for taking him out was more than fair. He was at 111 pitches to begin with and he had thrown 120+ in his last game. It didn’t turn out well, but I’m not going to get on Bochy’s ass for taking him out.

Now, his lack of recognition about the kind of pitcher Tyler Walker is … that, I will >:( at him about.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 11:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, but as I said elsewhere… against the Brewers Lincecum was coming off the flu and he just didn’t look like he felt well. Last night Lincecum was in command. Big difference in situations.

And I agree we need to not burn his arm out, first full season in the bigs etc etc…

What gripes me is Bochy’s lack of perception, a lack of grasp of the situation, and that would include leaving Thighler in when he clearly didn’t have it.

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Still, when he’s already thrown 120 pitches in a situation like that one start ago, holding him at 111 is just fine in my book. I agree that Bochy has no clue about context and situation (in a perfect world, he would have taken Tim out after the 6th in his last start and then left him in to start the 8th last night, but oh well.)

And honestly Walker is too big of a liability to be the regular set up guy. It seems like half the time, he’s got nothing. It’s almost like you have to always have someone else warming up with him.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed. I’m generally in favor of taking a starter out a little too early rather than too late. If it were a pennant race, I’d feel differently.

by Dan from NM on Jul 27, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ditto

i wish he would’ve given the ball to hinshaw. and that’s not hindsight talking, i was wishing it from the moment i saw walker warming up in the pen.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jul 27, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally I think there have been worse.

Most of them Walker-related.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

reminds me of cain's 2-hit loss to the padres

in that it made me so nauseous of this team i refused to watch the next game.

this, however, was something else…with Cain i could blame the whole offense.
tim’s effort was so amazing, and then to see it go up in flames so ridiculously quickly because of, really, Bochy and Walker.

can anyone with some time/resources come up with Tyler Walker’s numbers when he enters a game Cain/Lincecum pitched, vs. anyone else? Because i’m quite positive he has something against those two guys.

by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 27, 2008 10:43 AM PDT   0 recs

It's a shame...

I wasn’t able to watch it. But also I would disagree that Barry Zito was never worth a 7 year contract. In his first seven years in the majors he would be worth it. Of course that’s the 7 years the A’s had him and not the Giants.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 10:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Question for you guys..

Is there a McCoveyChronicles exclusive RSS Feed? I see there is a SBN all inclusive RSS Feed but I don’t care about the other sites unless the Giants are playing them (besides Minor League Ball and Beyond the Box Score).

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 10:55 AM PDT   0 recs

Thanks jcb9

And John below. Re-learning on Firefox 3 and Vista.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For me, the worst loss of the season came back in April against St. Louis. Matt Cain took a no-hitter into the 7th inning, hit a home run, Bowker debuted and also hit a homer, the Giants staged a dramatic 9th inning comeback – and for all that, the Giants managed to lose 8-7 in 10 innings. That one also featured a massive Tyler Walker meltdown.

Of course, I’m biased, having been at that game.

by jcb9 on Jul 27, 2008 11:17 AM PDT   0 recs

I think the difference is Matt Cain vs Tim Lincecum.

For Cain we’re used to his games being blown. Tim Lincecum we haven’t gotten used to the fact yet.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 11:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True enough. But having a no-hitter through 7 and then giving up 8 runs was pretty spectacular.

by jcb9 on Jul 27, 2008 11:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that one was much worse. I’m still pissed about it.

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by Natto on Jul 27, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Last night was bad but I was kind of resigned to it, to be honest.

No way in Hell I’m watching today’s game.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 11:18 AM PDT   0 recs

It’s funny – most any season, I go through a patch of a week or so when I’m just burnt out on baseball and don’t watch at all. As lousy as this season has been, that hasn’t yet happened this year. I think that’s a statement on how low my expectations have become than anything else.

by jcb9 on Jul 27, 2008 11:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve watched almost every game that I wasn’t at work for and even after they go down big, I can never quite bring myself to turn off the tv.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 11:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I mean, every game since I came back to the States.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 11:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOLne Up

Lewis LF
Burriss 2B
Winn RF
Molina C
Rowand CF
Aurilia 1B
CastilLOL 3B
Ochoa SS
Zito P

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 11:34 AM PDT   0 recs

Line Lulp?

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pulpless

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chopless.

Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.

by victor frankenstein on Jul 27, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I see

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not raining...

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so

you can see all the obstacles in your way?

by Giant Voodoo on Jul 27, 2008 12:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

a line up that doesn’t all qualify for the senior citizen special at IHOP

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh noes

I hate it when we play agianst lefties

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate it when we don’t play the Nationals!

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 11:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we played...

The nationals and the brewers every game then we’d be .500. I’d take that.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's too bad we can't play against just Seattle and the Nationals

I’d even let Seattle keep the DH!

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

actually, not too bad

but i’d rather see bowker at first, aurilia at 2b, and burriss at short

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jul 27, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think..

Richie is a 2B anymore…

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt: “See?”
Tim: “Wow…”

Arizona thinks we're Washington which thinks we're Arizona.

by victor frankenstein on Jul 27, 2008 11:39 AM PDT   0 recs

more like

Matt: “Well, at least they actually scored enough runs so you didn’t get the loss.”
Tim: :(

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As the Giants slid-slide toward the Big 1-Oh-Oh

Yes, yesterday’s gag job was the most disheartening loss of the season.

by Moggeee on Jul 27, 2008 11:41 AM PDT   0 recs

I was at that damn game last night

And after Tyler’s first, batter, I knew exactly what was about to happen.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 27, 2008 11:42 AM PDT   0 recs

I was there too. Unfortunately I had a very bad feeling watching Walker warm up.

by timmeh on Jul 27, 2008 1:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tyler Walker

Fastball straight as an arrow, good slider and split when he can get around his weight and get them down. Tough on righties with those pitches. Lefties kill him (.340/1.114). Average middle reliever especially if he can face mostly righties in an inning. No business being a set-up man. Why Bochy and Sabean still think this guy is a legitimate set-up man is beyond me. I can’t take another Walker melt-down although last night was nothing compared to the 7-3 lead I watched him blow against Houston or the 3-run lead he blew against St. Louis.

by mark30perq3 on Jul 27, 2008 11:50 AM PDT   0 recs

Who do we want as our set-up man?

I’m pretty done with the Polar Bear.

I’m thinking Taschner when the 8th inning features mostly LH and Romo when it’s mostly RH.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2008 11:52 AM PDT   0 recs

I’d like to see Hinshaw and Romo split the eighth.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 27, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too.

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by Natto on Jul 27, 2008 12:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that would be fine with me.

I do think Tasch been effective longer than Hinshaw. His walk numbers are a little less scary.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

solution

I have been training chimps to pitch the 8th and 9th innings for years. My first one, Armando, didn’t do so well but I’m still hard at work. Just give me time to work out the kinks and feces.

by Giant Voodoo on Jul 27, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Worst loss? WTF?

I thought last night was the best loss of the season. Timmy pitched great, didn’t get a loss, but we did! What more could you ask? Awesome. Especially after sweeping 7 games against the Expos. We needed a break and got one.

by positiveuphemism on Jul 27, 2008 11:53 AM PDT   0 recs

1:05 first pitch?

Guess I better eat lunch now…

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 12:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Bad idea..

Then you’ll have something to chuck up.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

but even if it’s a tossed salad, it’s more than Zito can chuck up there

by Moggeee on Jul 27, 2008 12:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but if I try and eat during the game I might be tempted to throw strawberry shortcake at the screen.

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Strawberry Shortcake?

Damn making me hungry now.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"I feel like I let everybody in this clubhouse down," Walker said.

Yes, yes you did

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Jul 27, 2008 12:19 PM PDT   0 recs

again

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2008 12:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At least this time..

He didn’t eat all the food before the others had a chance to eat. That quote was about the baseball game.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s a beautiful thing when perception meets reality.

by jcb9 on Jul 27, 2008 12:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pre-Emptive Rally Silly Walk

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:20 PM PDT   0 recs

worst loss of the season was either yesterday’s or the one where lincecum had like a 7 run lead and they lost.. (forgot who we played)... but blechh… horrible.

If my head is full of white hairs by the end of this season.. I blame Brian Wilson. (I'm only 22, dammit!)

by GiNgiNxbOi on Jul 27, 2008 12:40 PM PDT   0 recs

That one was against the Astros. I was there and not happy.

Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!

by j14 on Jul 27, 2008 12:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it is a trifecta of dissapointment between last night

That loss to the astros, and the loss featuring Cain’s HR and Bowker’s debut.

I do believe all three featured Tyler Walker.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 27, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

tyler walker hates starting pitchers.

If my head is full of white hairs by the end of this season.. I blame Brian Wilson. (I'm only 22, dammit!)

by GiNgiNxbOi on Jul 27, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Taschner being watched:

The Tigers have had a scout in San Francisco this weekend watching the Giants against the Diamondbacks. It’s believed that the target of observation is lefty reliever Jack Taschner, whom the Giants could potentially deal. The Tigers have been linked with relief help in trade rumors this week, but with back-to-back losses to the White Sox dropping Detroit further back in the AL Central, any momentum towards the Tigers being buyers might have halted.

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by sfgreg on Jul 27, 2008 12:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Walker either has it, or he doesn't. I can see it, you can see it - I could write a computer program to see it in about 2 lines of code.

Why can’t Bochy see it? If he get’s behind the first batter and does not immediately recover, he doesn’t have it. Yank him.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 27, 2008 12:43 PM PDT   0 recs

I think this came up before..

You can write computer code?

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

shhh

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 27, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I beleive this came up re: Walker, as well.

Funny, somethings never change.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 27, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

does this hold true for most releivers?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Walker is especially Bi-Polar

He is either great, or he gives up 3 runs.

A lot of guys will struggle and maybe give up a run, or figure it out halfway through the inning, But Walker either gets everyone out or totally blows it.

And it is apparent from the first batter he faces if he has his good stuff that day.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 27, 2008 12:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I often suspect that Bochy is himself a computer program. A very badly written one, incapable of making adjustments.

by jcb9 on Jul 27, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So you are saying that 8th inning = Walker

Has been defined as a global and there is nothing we can do about it now?

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 27, 2008 12:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

...Huh?

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by WalrusMan on Jul 27, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well

we could all meet out by the players parking lot and kidnap walker. Maybe throw him into the cove or something. It would however take ALL of us.

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Alternatively, we could kidnap Bochy. That way, you also solve the Shortstop = Vizquel problem.

by jcb9 on Jul 27, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

are there enough of us to lift Bochy’s head?

by Merope on Jul 27, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs