Giants future rotation and position players???

by monta101 on Jul 23, 2008 4:05 PM PDT

Hey guys, I'm new to the site.

I was thinking about what the Giants position players and rotation would look like in the future

Rotation:

Tim Lincecum

Matt Cain

Jonathan Sanchez

TIm Alderson

Madison Bumgarner

Position Players:

Outfield: Fred Lewis, Antoan Richardson, John Bowker

Infield: Buster Posey, Angel Villalona, Eugenio Velez, Emmanuel Burriss, Kevin Frandsen

In my opinion, thats a pretty good team. The only problem is that we don't have enough power, since villalona is the only power bat on that team.

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You forgot our ace!

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jul 23, 2008 4:09 PM PDT 0 recs

i was thinking of after he left

by monta101 on Jul 23, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

That will be more than a couple years later.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Jul 23, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

he's on a 7 year contract with 5 years left after this season

by boonitez on Jul 23, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

and no he's not getting traded

by boonitez on Jul 23, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

Who wouldn't?

Christ, forgetting about him is our only safe harbor.

bringing you moral turpitude since 1963

by Idaho Nick on Jul 23, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

Needs more Sandoval.

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Jul 23, 2008 4:13 PM PDT 0 recs

I was thinking he could be a backup 1b/C.

by monta101 on Jul 23, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

Backup? It was nice knowing you…

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 23, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

then what do we do with villalona and posey?

by monta101 on Jul 23, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

lol she was kidding

A lot of people on the site are REALLY high on Sandoval. You’re right about Posey, but Villalona probably won’t be up in the majors by then. It might take a year or two more; he’s still only 17 and fighting to get by in A-ball.

by boonitez on Jul 23, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

i watched sandoval play like all the time because i live in san jose, and he is a pretty good player, but not as good as posey is

by monta101 on Jul 23, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

we know that

Posey’s our starting catcher of the future. Sandoval just seems to know how to hit, which is kind of a revolutionary idea to us Giants fans…

by boonitez on Jul 23, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

lol

by monta101 on Jul 23, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Posey = Biggio

by wilriv21 on Jul 23, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

You got me boonitez. I have a big bucket of popcorn as I wait for someone else to say something along the lines of OMG WUT ABOUT PBALO

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 23, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up 0 recs

Wut's a

pbalo?

bringing you moral turpitude since 1963

by Idaho Nick on Jul 23, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

I actually meant to type PBLAO. It’s like Pablo LMAOing.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 23, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

By the Time Zito leaves

Lewis and Velez will be in their mid 30’s.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 23, 2008 4:15 PM PDT 0 recs

That’s depressing.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar. Welcome, Steve Hammond "Eggs". Throw strikes.
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by Natto on Jul 23, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

So why not just "forget" him?

bringing you moral turpitude since 1963

by Idaho Nick on Jul 23, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

Gillaspie at third.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 23, 2008 4:15 PM PDT 0 recs

Still want Pancho Villalona to oil up his 3b mitt and be prepared to return to the hot corner

by wilriv21 on Jul 23, 2008 4:25 PM PDT 0 recs

Thats my plan in MLB The Show 2012

by Nellieball on Jul 23, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up 0 recs

A few things...

Villalona wont be in the majors by then, Richardson will never make it to the majors, Velez will be long gone from the majors by then unless he can get that whole ‘doing shit besides running’ down, Bumgarner will probably be close but not quite in the majors by then, and Kevin Frandsen will never be our starting 3rd baseman.

Also, Zito and Rowand are missing from the picture. They’re definitely going to be here as they have 5 and 4 years respectively left on their contracts, and they’re both too expensive to get rid of. I’d put my money on Conor Gillaspie and Nick Noonan to take 3rd and 2nd over Frandsen and Velez. And another thing, we’ll have a shitload of money to spend that we might blow on a big name free agent or two.

by boonitez on Jul 23, 2008 4:30 PM PDT 0 recs

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooonan!

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Jul 23, 2008 4:39 PM PDT 0 recs

this

and he will learn to take a walk by then

Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 24, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

it depends on what you mean by "future"

2009 Projected lineup

C: Molina (signed thru 2009)/Alfonzo (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)/FA
1B: Bowker (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Ishikawa
2B: Frandsen(signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)/Burriss(signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Velez
3B: Castillo/FA/Trade/Rohlinger
SS: Burriss(signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/FA/Trade
LF: Lewis (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)
CF: Rowand (signed thru 2012)
RF: Schierholtz (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Winn (last season signed)/FA/Trade

Rotation
SP1: Lincecum (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)
SP2: Cain (signed thru 2010 with club option for 2011. FA in 2012)
SP3: Sanchez (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)
SP4: Zito (albatross thru 2013 with club option in 2014)
SP5: Lowry (signed thru 2009 w/ 2010 club option)/Correia (signed thru 2010; arb 2011)/Misch/FA/Trade/?

Closer: Brian Wilson

2010 Projected Lineup

C: Alfonzo (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)/FA/Sandoval
1B: Bowker (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Ishikawa/Sandoval
2B: Frandsen(signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)/Burriss(signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Velez
3B: Rohlinger/FA/Trade
SS: Burriss (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/FA/Trade
LF: Lewis (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)
CF: Rowand (signed thru 2012)
RF: Schierholtz (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)

Closer: Brian Wilson

2011 Projected Lineup

C: Sandoval/Posey/FA
1B: Bowker (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Ishikawa/Sandoval
2B: Frandsen(signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)/Burriss(signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Velez/Noonan
3B: Rohlinger/Gillaspie/FA/Trade
SS: Burriss (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Crawford/FA/Trade
LF: Lewis (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)
CF: Rowand (signed thru 2012)
RF: RF: Schierholtz (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/ Kieschnick

Closer: Brian Wilson

2012 Projected Lineup

C: Sandoval/Posey
1B: Bowker (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Ishikawa/Sandoval/Villalona
2B: Frandsen(signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)/Burriss(signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Velez/Noonan
3B: Gillaspie/ Rohlinger/FA/Trade
SS: Burriss (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/Crawford/FA/Trade
LF: Lewis (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)
CF: Rowand (signed thru 2012)
RF: RF: Schierholtz (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)/ Kieschnick

Rotation (w/ Cain if re-signed)
SP1: Lincecum (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)
SP2: Cain (signed thru 2010 with club option for 2011. FA in 2012)
SP3: Sanchez (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)
SP4: Zito (albatross thru 2013 with club option in 2014)
SP5: Alderson

Rotation (w/o Cain)
SP1: Lincecum (signed thru 2010; arb 2011-2013)
SP2: Sanchez (signed thru 2009; arb 2010-2012)
SP3: Alderson
SP4: Zito (albatross thru 2013 with club option in 2014)
SP5: Sosa/Mad Bum

Closer: Brian Wilson

Basic assumptions:

a) everyone stays relatively healthy
b) no one is traded or released
c) players remain on team in arb years
d) minor leaguers progress at about 1 level per year pace and don’t flame out (I know, a big assumption)
e) free agent signings only in areas of need.
f) (2008 picks) Posey, Gillaspie, Kieschnick and Crawford are all signed.
g) Many assumptions re Velez and/or that I haven’t thought of yet
h) This projection hasn’t considered the 2nd and below tier talent that the Giants have in the minor league system, only their top 10 or so prospects and the top 4 picks from 2008 draft. Obviously, there are a number of players who can and will make the team within the next 4 seasons, guys like Denker, Bocock, McBryde, Copeland, EME, Culberson, Downs, and a bunch of pitchers, like Snyder, Tanner, English, Joe Martinez, and Pucetas.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 23, 2008 4:47 PM PDT 0 recs

I agree with this

but I think Posey could move a lot quicker than that. He’s supposed to be a pretty polished hitter, so shouldn’t he only need a year or so in the minors?

by boonitez on Jul 23, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

Posey

possibly. He likely will sign a 2009 contract and I assume he’ll start in San Jose next year and depending on how he does, he’ll get promoted to AA during the season. If that happens, he’d definitely be on the fast track. He could possibly be up as soon as the middle of 2010 and take over full time duties by the start of 2011, which is basically what I projected, though I left him off of the 2010 projection..

Also, he’s got the good on defense, so that would definitely help him move up quickly.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 23, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

Gamers, the lot of 'em

That 2012 bunch would probably be wearing foam fingers, if they weren’t already wearing gloves.

by biff pocoroba on Jul 24, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

If Baseball Mogul has anything to say about it, we’re going to be VERY happy with a Schierholtz, Richardson, Bowker outfield, and Noonan is going to turn out quite well, too.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 23, 2008 5:14 PM PDT 0 recs

OOTP9

begs to differ!

BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 23, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

I wouldn’t count on Richardson (at least I hope he’s not starting). In the infield, I think Downs/Noonan/Denker are all more likely than Velez

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Jul 23, 2008 9:16 PM PDT 0 recs

Really?

You’re actually happy with Antoan Richardson, Manny Burriss, Eugenio Velez and Kevin Frandsen starting? If one out of four hits well enough to play every day I would be pleased, and if two make it, I would be delighted. At three I would be ecstatic, and at all four I would faint.

I’m not sure Antoan will even make it to the big leagues, other than perhaps as a pinch runner/defensive replacement.

by sharksrog on Jul 23, 2008 10:52 PM PDT 0 recs