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The Giants traded second baseman Ray Durham to the Milwaukee Brewers on Sunday - the deal becoming final shortly after the Brewers completed a three-game sweep of the Giants. San Francisco will receive Class A outfielder Darren Ford and Triple-A left-hander Steve Hammond, a 26-year-old from Vallejo who has struggled since a promotion to Nashville. Despite an initial report that no cash would be included in the deal, the Giants will send approximately half of the $3 million remaining on Durham's salary to the Brewers.

Giants Trade Durham To Brewers

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sigh...

when does the quote end? Where is the closing Giant white quotation marks?

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jul 20, 2008 6:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 20, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good. Now I feel a sense of closure on the Sugarman Era in SF.

by non sequitur on Jul 20, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A fanshot on the main page?

HE’S A WITCH!

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by groug on Jul 20, 2008 6:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Wouldn’t he be a warlock?

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar.
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by Natto on Jul 20, 2008 6:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nobody’s gonna reply.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 20, 2008 8:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m waiting for the Fanpost.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar.
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by Natto on Jul 20, 2008 9:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah...

FanShot. That’s too much information for a FanPost.

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Waiting for the chicks to overflow from Omar Vizquel onto his daddy.

by WalrusMan on Jul 20, 2008 9:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

uhhh… CHURCHES! CHURCHES!

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Jul 21, 2008 9:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

VERY SMALL ROCKS!

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by groug on Jul 21, 2008 3:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

widgety!

Meh.

3 mil would have been better than 1.5 which is better than nothing.

commutative property FTW!

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 20, 2008 6:55 PM PDT   0 recs

Ray should be paying the team back for all the DL trips over the year.

Without killing anyone
We've won it 3 times

by ChrisHero on Jul 20, 2008 6:57 PM PDT   0 recs

So nothing?

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar.
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by Natto on Jul 20, 2008 7:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Years.

Fuck the lack of editing.

Without killing anyone
We've won it 3 times

by ChrisHero on Jul 20, 2008 7:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So long Ray, thank you for being a pretty good Giant when you were healthy enough to be out on the field. Hope you and the Brewers make the playoffs and have some success.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 20, 2008 6:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Well said.

Yes the D.L. trips were annoying. But what do you expect from a 33+ year old second baseman? And he followed what should be a H.O.F. guy at second and we rarely moaned about a huge drop off. Most of what irritated me was managements choices and not in his control. I never heard him say anything that was not classy. I really hope he gets a ring.

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by daveinexile on Jul 21, 2008 7:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s not that exciting a trade, especially after the rumors of Salome, but I’ll take it. Hopefully it’ll be the first of several veteran-dumping trades.

by jcb9 on Jul 20, 2008 7:01 PM PDT   0 recs

yep. It’s all about playing the young players. This should have been done before the season even started. Hopefully someone will emerge at second base, but more probably Kevin Frandsen wins the job outright by taking the year off.

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by rxmeister on Jul 20, 2008 7:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Disagree

Durham probably would have brought back nothing more than Richie Sexson before the year. At least he got some semi-prospects now.

by kingofthacove on Jul 20, 2008 9:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if we’ll see Hammond pitch in the 5th spot any this year? Correia has struggled and still might not be healthy.

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Jul 20, 2008 7:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah I wonder about his health too. He gets really fatigued after like 50 pitches, its weird. Especially since he was so great in his rehab starts. Granted it was AAA, but still makes you wonder if he tweaked something again in the meantime…

by Hobbes2d on Jul 20, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hammond’s been pretty awful since moving to AAA ball. I would think Hennessey would get the first shot if they go in that direction. They might even give Nick Pereira a shot before they go to Hammond.

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by rxmeister on Jul 20, 2008 7:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

or Matt Palmer.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 20, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

or Victor Santos

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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hennessey's line today in AAA

SP Brad Hennessey – 5.0 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO, 1 HR, 5.10 ERA, L (6-6)

Something ain’t right.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 20, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He’s not that good.

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Jul 20, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds to me like he’s….

Photobucket

Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 20, 2008 8:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

HE"S RICH AURILIA

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 20, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

am i the only one who sees a smily face on that toast?

by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 20, 2008 11:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

now that u mention it, yes I see it.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 21, 2008 12:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By slightly adjusting the color levels, I was able to confirm the existence of the smiley face.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 21, 2008 12:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's like the Zapruder film

only without the anybody cares

Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.

by S.F. Giangst on Jul 21, 2008 6:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hennessey is done, in my opinion, I don’t ever see him starting a Giants game again. Likewise for Pereira, he’s just not that good. Hammond was basically homer unlucky in his brief AAA run, he was still striking out hitters, albeit in a small sample.

I’d try Palmer before either Brad or Nick.

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Jul 20, 2008 7:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

what he said

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jul 20, 2008 7:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he seems kinda Mischy

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 20, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I forgot about Misch. He would probably be the first one to take Correia’s place. As for Brad Hennessey, last night was bad, but he had a complete game victory in the start before that one.

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by rxmeister on Jul 21, 2008 6:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

doesn’t that sound like classic Hennessey?

Castillo hits doubles.

by kennv on Jul 21, 2008 7:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Meh..

Cash too? That just kind of ruined the idea for me. Getting two no names from the Brewers to rid Durham’s salary is nice. Getting two no names from the Brewers for $3,000,000 isn’t as nice.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 20, 2008 7:16 PM PDT   0 recs

1.5 MIL

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 20, 2008 7:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea..

Mis-understood before. Still, halfway between nice and not as nice.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 20, 2008 8:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Better than getting nothing for Durham at all when he retires at year’s end.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 20, 2008 7:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Has Durham said something to indicate he’ll retire? If not, considering he’s 36 and still playing reasonably, it seems likely someone will give him a contract next year.

by jcb9 on Jul 20, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A’s?

Bet the A’s will do it.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 20, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Earlier in the year I think he said he was thinking about retiring after this year. If I remember correctly.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 20, 2008 7:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he said that pre-season/early season.

I’d think his resurgent year has changed his mind. Are Ford/Hammond better than Comp round pick?

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by WalrusMan on Jul 20, 2008 8:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

From Chron on June 12

Asked Wednesday if he believes this will be his final year with the Giants, Durham said, “I don’t know. I really have to sit down and think of things. I know it’s the last year of my contract. More than that, I’ve missed a lot of my kids’ growing up. That’s what’s going to be weighing on my mind in the offseason.
“My girl is 14 years old and it’s like I barely know her. My son turns 10 tomorrow. They’re heavily involved in sports. I haven’t seen one of my son’s baseball games, not one. He’s been playing since tee ball. Thinking of that, that hurts me. I’ll weigh all the options this offseason, sit down and decide what direction I could go in.”

He won’t see too many of his kid’s games in Milwaukee, either. Sounded to me like he was ready to hang it up.

Twenty-seven years of waiting has come to an end.

by trapper on Jul 20, 2008 10:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Picks

Considering when they figure compensation picks they use the last 2 years I have a real had time thinking Durham will be in the top 40 % of second baseman. I guess it could happen … in theory.

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by daveinexile on Jul 21, 2008 7:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we offered him arbitration then he’d get something close to his previous salary & so he’d certainly accept it as there’s no chance he gets anything like that amount in free agency! Knowing he’d accept we wouldn’t offer him arbitration & therefore there was no chance of getting draft picks, even if he did qualify, which as you pointed out, would probably not happen.

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by GiantFan on Jul 21, 2008 8:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It also means Durham’s salary is off the books in 2009. That’s what, 7 mil? That’s the good in this deal.

I’m heading to Fresno next month (I hope) and can go to SJ anytime. I hope to get the word from our new guys in my next trips.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 20, 2008 8:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Was he owed money?

Was there a buyout + deferred money? I thought he was only signed through this year. (Though lately I haven’t been paying enough attention to baseball to remember.)

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by WalrusMan on Jul 20, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah he was signed throught 2008, but I’m hoping this means he won’t be re-upped AGAIN. Durham’s over. That’s good.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 20, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well..

We could resign him out of Milwaukee still.

:-(

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by WalrusMan on Jul 20, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Quiet dammit

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 20, 2008 8:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Better than having Durham on the roster for the rest of the year. Maybe this will bump us up a few draft positions.

Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.

by The Thrill on Jul 20, 2008 7:24 PM PDT   0 recs

I think that was bound to happen. I see us finishing in the bottom 5 again. Top 5 pick FTW! Hopefully #1 or #2 haha.

Also Surcamp signed, might want to change your sig. ;)

by Hobbes2d on Jul 20, 2008 7:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oplzoplzoplz

YESPLZ

BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 20, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My mom is sad whenever the Giants trade anybody. I, on the other hand, am happy to see Durham going. He’s a good guy, but: Giants – Old = Good.

=D

by giantfan5 on Jul 20, 2008 7:28 PM PDT   0 recs

no

Giants-Old=better

but

Giants-Old=Still bad, but younger.

BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 20, 2008 7:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Implications

Does this mean Roberts takes Durham’s roster spot?

Another lefty hitting outfielder on the giants is like tits on a peacock.

Does anybody think that Burriss has the bat to play second? Is there any chance that we could see some Denker back on the big club?

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 20, 2008 7:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Sucks Roberts has been hurt. Guys like him are usually good trade bait around the deadline. I guess there’s always the August waiver trade possibility for him if he plays well enough to elicit interest.

by Hobbes2d on Jul 20, 2008 7:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it’s every man for himself at the 2B job. Velez, Denker, Burriss, and Ochoa should all get looks. I like Denker the most out of the bunch, his bat is the strongest. Burriss might not hit enough to play short but I think he should get most of his time at the position. I’m not a fan of Velez but while we have him, might as well run him out some.

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Jul 20, 2008 7:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 20, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I’m not to high on Velez either, but we might as well see if he could contribute. I like Denker the most too, and I would also like to see Downs as a September callup. Those two at least have some power, and aren’t just slap hitters.

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by raisingcain on Jul 20, 2008 8:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes Please ! on Matt Downs. Time to find out yes or no.

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jul 20, 2008 8:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

why is time to find out yes or no? He’s only 24 and skipped from A+ to AAA this year. I think he has through next year at least to determine yes or no. Just excited to see your him in SF? I’d bet roster considerations keep him out of the bigs in 08.

Castillo hits doubles.

by kennv on Jul 21, 2008 7:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh and now Downs is back in San Jose. jeesh, prospect IFs are getting bounced around everywhere – to different levels, to different positions.

Castillo hits doubles.

by kennv on Jul 21, 2008 7:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

According to most....

(myself not included) 24 is ancient.

Would I like to see him promoted to the big club ? Not really. Just have to shill for my adopted son. Don’t make me break out the the baby pictures :-)

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jul 21, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

one ticket please

Can we hide a folding chair and few other “goodies” fro them to find in the Steel Cage Death Match for Second Base? PLLEEEAASSEE?

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by daveinexile on Jul 21, 2008 7:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

read on sfgate that they placed him on the 60 day DL to make room for Espinelli.

while at the same time saying they expect him back on Wednesday.

So, yeah, I’m thoroughly confused.

by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 20, 2008 7:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Retroactive 60 day, they need the roster spot until durham was traded which opened a roster spot. Roberts has already been on the DL for more than 60 days so its just a formality

by OmahaGiants on Jul 20, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ahh, thanks…
roster management=waaayyy over my head. one day, years from now, it’ll be much clearer why they kept Frandsen on the 40-man roster for over a month after his season-ending achilles surgery.

by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 20, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't know if this was ever researched or not..

But does the 40-man roster require 40 men on it? There could be a stipulation by the players union that requires 25-men on the 25-man and 40 men on the 40-man, or at least that a team can only keep 39 players on the 40-man roster for a limited amount of time.

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by WalrusMan on Jul 20, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You can have less than 40 men on the 40-man roster, I think.

Farewell, Ray. We'll miss your smile and your sugar.
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by Natto on Jul 20, 2008 8:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that what Natto thinks is the correct thought

Only 876 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jul 20, 2008 9:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

because then we would have lost him

To drop him off the 40 man roster, you would have had to waive him. Somebody could have picked him up (much like how the A’s traded for that OF who was out the whole season in 2007), put him on their 40 and wait for him to come back next season.

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