Open Gameday Thread, 7/20
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 20, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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ESPN reports that Durham is switching dugouts today
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3497321
doesnt say what we got, but hopefully something useful for next season. funny that he’s just switching unis for this afternoon’s game.
BrUcE:
Pleez play manne more, sincerely me.
by bondslegend on Jul 20, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
If you guys are really getting Hammond and Ford for a salary dump, it's a friggin' ripoff.
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You’re really upset about losing a fast 22 year old who can’t hit high-A pitching? And a generic soft tossing lefty?
Is the Milwaukee system worse than ours? Becuase it seems like we’ve got a couple versions of Hammond.
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I'm not upset
But it’s an overpay. Durham is bench talent for us and expensive bench talent at that. Hammond is a durable lefty 4th starter that is under team control for 6 years, something that is much, much more valuable than a couple hundred at-bats from Ray Durham. Ford is just an added roll of the dice; I’m not even taking him into account.
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Also
considering your likely to lose both CC and Sheets via FA after this year, the Brewers probably could have used Hammond at the back of the rotation sometime in the near future.
Yeah, I'm not super excited about our rotation next year
I took a look at what pieces the Brewers had left and how they should use them to perhaps bolster next year’s rotation here.
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Perhaps, but it isn’t just a salary dump from the Brewers’ perspective. Rickie Weeks just isn’t getting it done, and Durham’s .385 OBP sure would help in chasing down the Cubs.
I would have been fine with Durham for Hammond; Ford is pretty useless.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Durham is also worse than Weeks defensively, by a significant margin
And, despite his lefty splits this year, he has righty splits over the much larger sample size of the years before that, so he’s not even a really great platoon option. It’s an overpay.
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There’s always a chance that getting Ford out of Space Coast Stadium, which is death to right-handed hitters, gives him a jump start. He’s got the tools and had good success at West Virginia last year. He’s probably nothing, but he could turn into a decent fourth outfielder if he just gets a bit better; his defense really is elite. Put it this way, I certainly wouldn’t have minded holding onto him.
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Good to know, but as soon as he gets to AA and Dodd Stadium, there goes any jump-start.
Well, the Giants will probably have a new AA affiliate by the time he gets there anyway.
Also, Durham is definitely worse than Weeks defensively, but that isn’t as much of a problem with the strikeout pitchers the Brewers have. You don’t need to platoon Durham at all. You can just leave him in there and have Weeks keep him rested. I assume that the Brewers are (for the most part) going to start Durham at 2B and bench Weeks, at least for this year.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
But the Brewers aren't acquiring Durham to supplant Weeks
He’s going to be used off the bench and as a backup plan if Weeks completely tanks.
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That’s a great use for him. Weeks has shown a propensity for slumps and injuries. Ray-ray is quite an upgrade over Craig Counsell’s bat.
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I agree
I was happy with the deal when it was Ford for Durham. But Hammond (and Ford) for Durham is too much. Durham is just a tweak, and Melvin was JUST talking about not overpaying for tweaks. Oh well.
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That’s odd, then. Weeks has been pretty bad, and Durham’s value is going to come from trotting out that OBP most every day.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, but that's all Durham has to offer
Weeks caught fire from August on last year and was one of the best players in the league. He has a lot more potential, and the perception is that he needs to keep playing to reach it.
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what i found on these two
Both are struggling at their levels, Ford as a 22-year old in high A and Hammond as a 26-year old recently promoted to AAA. Good news on Hammond is that his K/9 is high (over 10) and he’s getting unlucky in AAA (BABIP at .333). But he’s giving up a lot of HRs since he got promoted too – 6 in four starts, even though his command looks to be improving. Ford is just struggling: low AVG, low OPS, low SLG. The standout is his speed, already 48 SBS in 59 attempts. That about all I got from looking at their stats at BA.
Hammond's been at AAA for four games and he's got a 20/5 K/BB
His ERA is meaningless at this point.
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I’m sorely tempted to hop on BART and go to the game, but I probably shouldn’t. My wife just left town for a couple of days (Salt Lake City for work, boo hiss), and managing a 2-year old who didn’t sleep well last night for 3 hours at the ballpark alone is probably not the best recipe for fun.
From ESPN
The Milwaukee Brewers have acquired second baseman Ray Durham from the Giants, continuing with their effort in the push to make the playoffs for the first time since 1982.
Durham, 36, is hitting .293 for the Giants, with an on-base percentage of .385, and in theory, he could help the Brewers as a utility player. But it is also very possible that he will press Rickie Weeks, the Brewers’ every-day second baseman to this point, for playing time.
Weeks is hitting .218 with eight homers, and Milwaukee ranks dead last among all teams in batting average for second baseman (.222).
ESPN.com’s Keith Law is reporting that the prospects going to San Francisco are Steve Hammond and Darren Ford. The seriousness of the Durham talks between the Giants and Brewers was reported by the San Francisco Chronicle on Saturday.
The Brewers are in San Francisco this weekend, but Durham is not expected to play for Milwaukee on Sunday.
Hum-baby!
Ray was a good Giant, I’m going to miss him. :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Y’know, with Durham being traded, I was thinking – the Giants have had remarkable stability at second base over the years. Aside from injuries (especially at the end of Robby Thompson’s tenure), we’ve really only had three starting second basemen over the last 23 seasons:
Robby Thompson – 1986-1996
Jeff Kent 1997-2002
Ray Durham 2003-2008
We’d do well to find another second basemen who stick around as long or contributes as much as any of those three.
I wake up late to find Ray Ray traded and that it’s Timmy Day… greatest day of the season?
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Reporting Burriss will start at 2nd today and Ochoa will play short. Also, Yabu is apparently going to the DL with a sprained finger (um…..) and Gino Espinelli has been called up.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
If I may be Johnny Whine-a-lot for a moment
Great, they finally sit Vizquel AFTER Burriss is starting at another position anyway.
With Molina posting Vizquel-like numbers lately, I’m tempted to say they should bring up Sandoval to replace him. Probably a bad idea, though. Especially since Sandoval would just rot on the bench as long as Bochy’s around.
Durham was not a "good" Giant
I’ll assess Ray as an okay Giant.
But in many ways he emobodied the decline of Brian Sabean’s acuity in signing free agents.
Expectations were high for this speedy former leadoff guy with some pop, and in nearly six years, he met them only once - 2006. And maybe he exceeded expectations this year because the bar was set so low - by Durham himself with an abysmal 2007.
In his early Giant career, he caused lineup card problems by missing a lot of games because of leg issues, but surprised all by morphing into a power/RBI guy for one weird but fruitful contract year. Now, except for the occasional double, he is nearly punchless while still being a bottom tier defender.
Bye Ray. We’ll hardly miss ya.
Dude, no.
Durham was very good for the Giants ever year but 2007. He missed more time than we all would have liked, yes, but when he played, he was always quite good.
OPS+ as a Giant: 111, 117, 104, 127, 65, 112
The missed time hurt, but if you expected him to have better hitting numbers than those, you had too high of expectations to begin with (his OPS+ numbers before joining the Giants: 114, 105, 103, 106, 118).
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He met my expectations in everything but playing time until last year. He gave us a lot of offense for a 2B.
He’s been quite good this year.
We all know about the defense. No need to get into that, except to say that could be adequately simulated by dressing a mailbox in a Giants uniform and setting it next to second.
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Madam, yes.
He was paid handsomely and rarely lived up to the promise—and/or a full season.
Most people here give Ray a “B.” He certainly does not deserve an “A.”
My grade is “C.”
And I think he will be missed by few.
I don’t understand giving him a C at all. He gave us well above average production at second base every year except for one. His OPS+ numbers as a Giant were better, in general, than they were as a White Sox.
The only blemish on his time as a Giant (other than his poor 2007) was the missed time. He was a good Giant, an extremely likable person and, considering what we have in the pipeline for second base for the near future, I think he and his above-average hitting production be missed a lot more than you do.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Health is always part of the package
I agree he was very likeable.
That helped on the many days, especially when we were contenders, when you couldn’t find him.
;-)
Why isn't the game on extra innings??
I can’t see it anywhere! Now I have to watch on my crappy laptop….Jesse angy Jesse smash!!
imo, only aurilia and roberts are even tradeable. roberts is likely to yield a low-level prospect similar to Ford. nothing of quality. aurilia is trickier. he’s not worth too much more, but we might be able to get a player with a little more upside. maybe a struggling corner player who still has the potential, but hasn’t shown it yet. i don’t know, but it doesn’t seem like we’re going to get much for anyone but Winn and the bullpen guys.
I think Aurilia remains a Giant
And if he goes .260/12/50, Sabean even resigns him.
The first lineup in a post-Sugarman world
E Burriss 2B
J Castillo 3B
R Winn RF
B Molina C
A Rowand CF
R Aurilia 1B
E Velez LF
I Ochoa SS
T Lincecum P
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions
Castillo in the 2-hole. Again. :(
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by can of corn on Jul 20, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
WHY VELEZ
WHY IS VELEZ NOT IN AA WHERE HE BELONGS?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems kinda wrong to have Velez in the OF while Schierholz is languishing in Fresno.
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by can of corn on Jul 20, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Schierholtz belongs in Fresno
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather see how he can do against ML pitching than see Velez do it.
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by can of corn on Jul 20, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather see how both do against ML pitching. But Schierholtz = blocked on the roster. Velez isn’t, he luckily gives versatility to play multiple positions as well.
I think he has a better chance to be an MLB regular than Velez.
It will be interesting to see who makes it into the lineup next year between Schierholtz, Bowker and TI.
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1) Bowker
2) TI
86) Schierholtz
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
All of those other guys are at the point that they need to prove they can hit MLB pitching next year.
I still think TI has the most upside of the three.
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As do I. He is a plus defender, he has some patience, and he has some power potential. I think he could be similar to James Loney… .280 15 HR 80 RBI 50 BB, good D.
Shouldn’t Bowker win LF away from Fred, then?
yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!
Its not time to make a change,
Just relax, take it easy.
Youre still young, thats your fault,
Theres so much you have to know.
Find a girl, settle down,
If you want you can marry.
Look at me, I am old, but Im happy.
I was once like you are now, and I know that its not easy,
To be calm when youve found something going on.
But take your time, think a lot,
Why, think of everything youve got.
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not.
So, can y’all fill me in on why folks are so down on Schierholtz? His minor league numbers look fine to me, though granted I’m not a stat-head. His stint in the big leagues last year wasn’t great, but it wasn’t disastrous enough to give up on the guy, either. I don’t see him as a star, but I don’t see why he can’t be a perfectly serviceable Major Leaguer. What am I missing?
100%
He doesn’t have much power, he doesn’t have much plate discipline, so what the hell is the point?
Re: his short swing, referenced by oldjacket: exactly. It is a clunky, weak contact swing.
Schierholtz, if he is LUCKY, will be Shea Hillenbrand.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
His minor league power numbers and OBP look reasonable to me, but that’s probably just the effect of seeing such pathetic power numbers and OBP from our major leaguers recently.
But anyway, yeah, all this is good to know. I’ve sort of been reeducation myself on the minor leagues this year – I’ve been ignoring them the last several years. The franchise has given me a lot of reason to do so.
PCL numbers really should be taken with a grain of salt. The PCL made Pedro Feliz look like a future perennial All-Star.
Better than Bowker or Lewis.
I’m not saying it’s great, I just don’t think, looking at stats alone, it’s unreasonable to think he could b a reasonable major leaguer.
Well thats the thing you can’t just look at stats. He has some major holes in his game that I think will prevent him from being anything other than a platoon player.
you can't just look at stats
Which is why I’m asking y’all about it! I may be second-to-none in my knowledge of bad Giants players from the 80s and 90s, but many McCoven are far more minor league-savvy than I.
what's a what now?
jk
I don’t remember him setting the PCL aflame, but he seems like a prototypical Giant AAAA guy.
The dodgers and Angels have a lot of these guys too.
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Man, you should have seen some of our lineups circa 2002-03
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Seven runs! With a Jason Conti HR!
I am sure that the 2002 lineups without Sexson were pretty punchless.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think those lineups have a lot to do with the sympathy Giants fans have for Brewers fans. We see our future in your past. I think that Milwaukee is the second NL team for most of the Giants fans here.
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That's funny, Indians fans said the same thing
Maybe there’s this unseen groundswell of support for the Brewers across the nation. That would be cool.
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Since I've been alive, man!
You don’t know how much that sucks.
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I hate the cards more than the cubs
I figure the wildcard will come out of the central this year. I don’t want to see St. Louis sneak another mediocre team into the playoffs.
Plus we’ve played St.Louis, Chicago and Milwaukee this year, and the Brewers seem like the best team.
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I like Milwaukee’s team, though I’m going to hate them until the game’s over, just so you know.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Haha, of course
When I went to school at Minnesota, I was surprised how easily I could flip on the hatred for them when they played the Badgers and then flip it off the next for Iowa or whomever.
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it is for me
i went to a game at Miller two years ago. good park and now they have a good team. also, all the drunk marquette kids on the bus were a riot.
Yeah, see how funny they are when you try to drive down Wisconsin Ave in the afternoon
They just wander randomly across the street like Lemmings. It’s got to be the closest you can get to Cairo without leaving the Midwest (insert Illinois joke here).
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i can definitely see where you’re coming from. being a grad student dealing with undergrads is unbelievably lame. but they totally caught us by surprise (we were in town for the frozen four) on the bus and we had a great time at the game. less fun waiting in the cold to get the bus back to the hotel after the game.
Someone from California came to Milwaukee for hockey?
Where did you grow up?
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another BC alum/student?
That’s four of us.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I’m about to start my last year!
(Roger and SoFa King Mike are also alums, IIRC.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I’m doing my second year in Edmonds (with that year abroad in between). It’s not the nicest dorm but I like the kitchen and the location.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
i too was in Ed for two years. it’s pretty sweet, especially with band having practice in the stadium all the time. im sad theyre tearing it down. ah well. good luck with senior year.
BTW, my girlfriend is a grad student
She hates her undergrads so much. It’s hilarious. It doesn’t help that fully half her TA evals are full of comments like “TA is hot.”
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I have been there. It’s a good park, but there is nothing there. Definitely driving in, driving out, but if you like tailgating, you’re set
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I went there a few years ago and wasn’t terribly impressed. The roof was closed and there was a lightning storm, though – might’ve been better on a sunny day.
It's a little antiseptic when the roof is closed
Like a really boring cathedral. It’s a good park, but not a great park. Your park and PNC in Pittsburgh are great parks.
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History is made
most banjo strings ever assembled in one arena
Pie
I am eating a celebratory pie in honor of the Durham trade.
I just hope it isn’t a premature pie.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions
Lars!
Pass me a piece of pie, please.
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by can of corn on Jul 20, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Waiter!
An order of pie, and two sides of corn pone!
Hey, is anyone having problems with this site loading today? I’m on a Mac and on Firefox—McCoven avatars aren’t loading, the MCC logo isn’t loading, and without multiple refreshes the fanposts and fanshots aren’t loading either. Similar problems when I switch to Safari. Just hangs up there. For the record, it’s probably not my internet connection, since other sites are loading fine.
Is it just me? It’s me, isn’t it?
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
Yeah
On Mac with both Firefox and Safari not loading all content.
yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!
Also
not auto-refresh. Was it Ray’s job to load images and auto refresh? Who’s in charge down there?
yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!
Same for me with PC and Firefox (except that the comments are automatically loading)
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm on
mac/Firefox and i’ve got your problems
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 20, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it too late
to add Castillo to the Durham deal?
How can a guy as humongous as Fielder play baseball? It just seems unwieldy to push that bulk around the bases.
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Baseball does not require typical “athletic” ability. It requires excellent hand-eye coordination mostly and speed secondarily. Speed meaning, the ability to move parts of your body quickly, to throw or swing a bat.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously. But Prince is more than just a fat guy swinging a bat. He’s actually pretty athletic and has good speed, and moves pretty well for his size.
He does move pretty well
Stopping is a problem though (as you no doubt remember from Todd Greene).
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I wonder if it makes him feel better that Prince was really out on the play
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So if Prince goes on the market this winter I think the Giants should get him. Even if it means giving up 2 of our pitching studs. He’s one of the few LH bats that could still be very productive here.
we'd have to trade Molina first
otherwise we would be over the weight limit
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
He’s got two more years before his arteries are clogged.
Without killing anyone
We've won it 3 times
He’s a vegan (or at least vegetarian). He may be fat, but his arteries are probably doing fine.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That's actually a non-unreasonable scenario
Cain is probably going to be one of the Brewers’ top targets this winter, along with maybe Greinke, and Fielder is certainly deal-able with Gamel coming up.
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Apparently, K&K have been instructed to not talk about the deal.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
is it official yet? Like, what clubhouse is Ray chilling in right now?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
They aren't even talking about the rumor.
I find the whole thing strange
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The Brewers' interview gal mentioned it pre-game, said it wasn't a done deal
But, of course, it is. I’m sure Durham won’t play unless it goes like 18 innings, and he’ll fly out of town with the Brewers.
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I'm calling for Rothlinger
I know he could use some more time at AA but I’m tired of watching Castillo
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
That was my fav. Amy G interview. Especially the beginning.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions
mini-mini play
Buster Posey: “My name is Buster Posey.”
Amy G: “I’m yours!”
The end.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It's good to know we aren't the only people that joke about our token female broadcaster that way
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Taking injury concerns into consideration, Sanchez > Parra
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Sanchez has yet to pitch an entire season without getting hurt.
But still, Sanchez>Parra. Same control problems, more strikeouts.
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What injuries has he had?
Parra’s had repeated shoulder problems, which is pretty scary.
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Taking stats and production into concern, Sanchez > Parra
by kingofthacove on Jul 20, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel bad for the guy who has to try to market Giants/Nationals.
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Crap
2 blown strike 3 calls and it results in a homer.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions
With a good showing today
Timmy will be the ERA leader
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
That was a massive hanger on 0-2. Urgh.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
apparently nothing else is good enough to be a strike
by kingofthacove on Jul 20, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCK YOU UMPIRE!!!!
So pissed I had to say it again.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply actions
Branyan hustling in for a double knowing that the Giants have a bunch of pie throwers in the OF
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
I was watching some 8yos throwing at a t-ball/coach pitch game yesterday. And you’re right.
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his arm is awful, has he thrown a runner out all year?
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An extra indefinite article would make that much funnier
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thank you Rowand
for your penis-like excuse for an arm
If the home plate ump gets leprosy
Tim is definitely not going to sure him.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 1:29 PM PDT reply actions
WHY THE FUCK DO WE GIVE UP SO MANY HITS TO THE PITCHER
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
flair for the dramatic?
but Brian Wilson’s not in?
Oh wow, I can't remember the last time all three games of a series featured offensive contributions from our pitcher
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Lincecum is finally starting to drop back to about where his numbers should be. No more ridiculous ERA.
of course, with a competent umpire and a CF who doesn’t have a shit arm, he doesn’t give up a run that inning.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
What are you talking about? His ERA is higher than it should be due to bad umpiring. (well, 3 runs higher)
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
How frustrating must it be to be a fan of a contending team and having Weeks bat lead off every game?
I don't really mind him, actually
At least, he’s not this gaping wound in my psyche like lots of other Brewers have been (Wes Helms, come on down!)
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What a shitty shitty inning
Ump just put 2 more ER on Timmy’s ERA. Fucking douche.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
3-0 to Bengie
I predict he will not get on base.
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From this point on, they start taking away home runs.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn am I pissed off
Timmy is pitching really well, too. He’s just getting umped. He’s been ahead of almost every hitter. Strong curve and good velocity.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
he can't seem to hit much this year either...
he’s been miserable the past couple months…
OPS splits
April: .850
May: .987
June: .618
July: .749
Clearly over his head in May and underperforming in June. Settling in on Not Bad, But Not Nearly Worth The Contract levels.
Bengie still wouldn't score
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by j14 on Jul 20, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and as it turns out
anything besides back to back strikeouts would’ve done nicely there
I'm not sure about that.
Ray has the “potential pinch runner” going for him as well.
I wonder if Ray is crying on the inside
lol Kuip “He could be battling the flu.”
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Lewis, Bowker, Burriss?
Lewis has been great, Bowker leads the team in homers, and Burriss has been decent.
I’m not sure there’s any reason to be rude to him, he’s being friendly and participating in discussion. It’s not like he’s trash-talking or anything. I’m happy with fans of other teams joining in (as long as they aren’t xeifrank)
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and that dick sneeze mets fan
John Peterson or whatever.
except calling me “rude,” commenting how he doesn’t remember the last time his pitchers all contributed, and not to mention calling me a “hostile motherfucker”
by kingofthacove on Jul 20, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes you feel like a nut
sometimes you don’t
Almond Joys got nuts
Mounds don’t
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares? Neither team will win the WS this year. Oooooooooh. So I guess you can enjoy all those empty home runs.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I was mocking moreso the people who were clamoring for Ochoa to be brought up.
I am a Velez backer…however haha.
They’re both Asian peninsulas populated by furriners who don’t speak English, so they’re pretty much the same, right?
Thanks Amy
for reminding us all that the Giants haven’t signed Posey yet.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 1:47 PM PDT reply actions
SIDDOWN, MEAT!
Timmy’s strikeouts the only thing keeping me from turning the radio off.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
Bengie: “It is this kind of crap that makes you leave after 5 innings.”
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 1:54 PM PDT reply actions
Gets out of the inning...
but it doesn’t look like Tim’s going longer than 5 innings today. Nor should he. Save him for the rest of the season, and the rest of his career. We’re getting swept by the Brewers anyway, because they’re simply much better in every facet of the game than we are.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
If the ump can fuck over Timmy
He can fuck over the Brewers just as easily. it’s only 2 runs.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Could the Padres be any worse?
Just gave up a three-run jack to Glaus. Cards ahead 5-3 now in the bottom of the 8th.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
I don't understand how the Mariners aren't worse, actually
Anecdotally it seems like they should be challenging the ‘03 Tigers.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
at least they don't have Jose Castillo hitting 2nd and playing 3rd
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I’m not feeling any sympathy. Sorry, Bud.
I do hate the Cards though.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it too soon to mention
the SHUTOUT taking place?
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply actions
In that case
Preemptive SHUTOUT for Tuesday night’s game as well.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Ump goes out of his way to make sure the pitches that were called balls for him are called strikes on Timmy’s AB
This umpiring crew has been really crap
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Hypo
If Lincecum pitched against the Giants he would throw:
a) shutout
2) no-hitter
3) perfect game
4) get knocked out
With our luck
If we were rooting for Lincecum: #4.
If we were rooting for the Giants: #3 on 27 pitches.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If he was pitching against the Nats, he might go off like Brendan Fraser in The Scout
81 pitches, 27 K’s.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
6Ks for Lincecum
That means if you enter the special code at the Giants website, they’ll pay you $6 to watch Barry Zito pitch at the ballpark on Tuesday night!
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
too many throws – short rest – too many throws – short rest …
I think that killing Lincecum :(
Giants the never sunset.
But he's had like what, seven days, eight days since then?
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
the ‘short rest’ thing I mentioned, means:
Lincecum keep throwing too many pitches when he’s on the mound, but our hitters help Brewers’ Manny Parra and save his pitches. (you know, “quick outs”) And Lincecum get back to mound and too many pitches again.
Sorry, my bad English. ;)
Giants the never sunset.
Haha, understood
And I agree. What’s the temperature there?
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
I’d like to blame this on the flu-like symptoms.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:10 PM PDT reply actions
BALK!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2008 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
IF
If we get swept by Brewers at home inspite of Cain – Sanchez – Lincecum, I’m going to really, really sad.
Giants the never sunset.
by aras on Jul 20, 2008 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
at least maybe it will convince the front office once and for all that WE ARE NOT CONTENDERS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I want to blame this crappy umpiring crew for the events of this weekend, but frankly, none of the Giants have looked very sharp—at the plate, in the field, running the bases. Which is pretty inexcusable considering they just had four days of rest and relaxation. The Brewers are playing a lot more aggressively.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
Discussion of Geno Espinelli's socks
= more interesting than this game
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
Parra has to throw 52 pitches this inning to match that total
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
awesome!
i was hoping to see some more Giants bullpen in this series!
by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 20, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Clue for CSN and the Giants Front Office
Do not build up Buster Posey if you are not able to sign him.
Fools.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
And Gillaspie, Crawford, and Kieschnick all reported want first-round money too, right?
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
I think only Posey gives us a pick back. We need to sign those guys.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I asked the question and Ms Baron was able to post something about the first 3 rounds will be compensated the following year if player is unsigned
I don't know much about Crawford but if I was the Giants, I'd shell out for the other three
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
define shell out?
What is Posey says “Not a penny less than $7M”. What should SF then do? And if Dizzy says he wants top 20 monies?
I’d rather they overpay for failed prospects than overpay for Joe Crede this off-season or someone like that. Ugh Zito…
They need to get the talent into the system ASAP, they can’t afford to wait another year to get players in.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
2008 was supposed to be a thin draft while 2009 has more talent, depth and quality. If/when they sign the players drafted in 2008 they will be signing them to a 2009 contract said Sabean if they signed AFTER the ASG. Rather get top talent than rush to get players in system
they said 2006 was weak and 2007 would be better
then they said 2007 was weak and 2008 would be better
now they say 2008 was weak and 2009 will be better.
Just sign who we have and give them what they want.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Well if they would be signed we would have top talent…had they been a priority to sign them quickly, the quicker they can start the development process. They basically lost half a year of development for 4 players, who if signed, likely will have an important part in rebuilding the positional talent of the farm system.
Selfishly I hope you sign them all
The Brewers are going to have six picks in the top two rounds next year, so the less extra picks other teams have, the better.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
Oh yeah?
He’s playing CF some now for West Virginia. He was actually the only one of the Brewers’ top picks to decline an interview with me, ha.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
Yup. Grew up with him, we were on the same Little League Majors team. Talked to him shortly after his promotion to WV, he was excited obviously.
The other WV CF is Lee Haydel
He’s pretty much the white Darren Ford, only without power or patience. I’d love to see Schafer take up CF full-time. How is he defensively?
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
There was a guy from my high school who was drafted by the Brewers back in 2000. However, he was a jackass, was drafted in the 49th round, and washed out of the minors within a year, I believe. Way to go, Ryan Nohr.
that’s Bengie’s first hit in like a year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
yeah, but when he sucks, he gives 110%
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Since they’re interviewing him on the air, I take it he’s on good terms with the team again? Last I heard, he blamed Larry Baer for his retirement.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Blah blah blah
Proud of Doug
Bleh. He was freaking annoying in High School
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I’m happy that he has been successful but “hey, do you know who my dad is?” doesn’t really endear you to many people.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so glad I missed a whole inning
so I could listen to Amy G talk to some old guy about his son that announces for a AAA team.
Have the Giants hit a grand slam all season? I can’t remember any.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
she's 10000000000000000000000000000x better than
what’s her face from before.
I dunno about that
I hate them both kind of equally
GODDAMMIT THERE IS A BASEBALL GAME GOING ON HERE PEOPLE.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
80’s Giants broadcasters = ok
Amy G = not so much
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:30 PM PDT reply actions
I like how our hitters still try to GIDP even with two outs.
by jcb9 on Jul 20, 2008 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Padres lost on a walk-off grand slame
...to Aaron Miles!
Unreal.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
We’ll catch up with them. Don’t worry.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Anagram of "Giants offense"
FINESSE OF GNAT
Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 20, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions
It's funny
BEcause of y’all, I end up watching terrible games longer than I would otherwise. I was thinking of going out half an hour ago, but I’m still here, typing away to you guys. Bastards.
I do like how that was Tim at not his best and he still only gave up 2 runs in 6 innings (and those runs came under some arguable circumstances.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I still want to trade him. Does anyone honestly think he’ll get much better than he is right now? I’d love to keep him, but trade Lincecum and you can get a major haul that accelerates this rebuilding effort by like 100x. Plus the Giants under this current regime are always going to find good young pitchers.
That’s what everyone says. But if you take an objective look its the best move the franchise could make.
So your perfectly fine with wasting the best years of Lincecum on a shit team and having him flame out by the time the team gets good? Most young pitchers who do THIS well this early on in their ML careers do not last. Might as well sell high now.
yeah, we should have traded him for Rios last offseason
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
107 pitches, 8 ks, 6 IP
and a 2 run fuckover by the ump.
All in all, a good game.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply actions
Even when Lincecum is bad he’s good.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
In the process
wasting a perfectly good Castillo GIDP practice hit
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Line out?
now they’re just doing it all wrong.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We need 3 runs
right here, right now
Ok, can you do that Jesus Jones?
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
Ugh
That reminds me of that one inning where they kept trying for a GIDP. They finally succeeded on the third try.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
no one home
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
"Mr Rowand...
there’s a Mr. Golden Sombrero waiting on line two…”
by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 20, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Parra 8 Ks ~ 65 pitches
Timmy 8ks 108 pitches
Could you imagine what Lincecum would do to this Giants lineup?
nice! we even have gamer announcers
see “Krukow, Mike; re: Rowand’s nasty shit “
by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 20, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
they were saying in the pregame that Rowand has the flu, but won’t take himself out of the line-up. He needs to stop being a gamer, take a seat and grab some theraflu.
Stock answer to every question
Bruce Bochy.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Have to take him out now, right?
Braun and Prince coming up.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
what just happened?
I was making dookie.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:50 PM PDT reply actions
so were the Giants
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda like this decision
Timmy is the Ace. Bruce is saying, you the man, win this game. Or something.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions
Great job, Bochy!
You worthless fuck. I hate you and your big head.
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
Great decision, Bruce.
Just fantastic
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2008 2:56 PM PDT reply actions
Ouch
I legitimately feel for you guys. I have to get going; thanks for being really cool (with a couple of exceptions) and chatting.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
You'll be back
The gravitational pull of Bruce Bochy’s head will make sure of it.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That really pissed me off, I yelled at the TV for the first time in a long time.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
Anagram of "Bruce Bochy"
FUCK YOU YOU STEAMING MAGGOT INFESTED PIECE OF SHIT
Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 20, 2008 3:01 PM PDT reply actions
Hinshaw shutting down the side only exacerbates what a bonehead move that was by Bochy keeping Lincecum in there after 110+ pitches. The dude’s getting over the flu, we’re losing the game anyway, he’s given you 6 gutsy innings and you keep him in just for the (slim) chance he’ll get the “W”? Or because you have absolutely no faith in your bullpen to hold the Brewers (a fair concern, but not worth risking The Franchise for)?
No, my Crazy Crab bobblehead is not for sale.
you don’t think that no matter how Aurilia does, nobody is really going to buy into his resurgence?
you can't block the Bocock
Believe he can fill out a contenders roster in so many ways. Aurilia can play all 4 infield positions, pinch-hit and provide a little power, is playoff tested etc
My internet failed. My only thing to contribute re: today is that I am officially in favor of firing Bruce Bochy now.
you can't block the Bocock
Krukow: "2 balls, 1 strike"
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Parra is clearly the second coming of Warren Spahn
SHUTOUT! SHUTOUT! SHUTOUT!
Is the Durham deal official???
Will be said to see the sugarman go!
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused!
via SFGATE Bochy said Durham's still "here"
it’d be nice to get him one last “token” at bat for a courteous farewell.
Despite all the ups and downs of his tenure here, I will hope the best for him wherever he goes (as long as it’s not in the NL West).
by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 20, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
you know, Braun
they won’t put you on web gems if you slide for one hit right at you.
you can't block the Bocock
The Giants felt guilty about scoring those 2 runs and decided to give them back.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 3:48 PM PDT reply actions
Doesn’t matter – another pitiful end to the game. We can all go mope away.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
Looking ahead
Zito vs. Nationals
Any hope there?
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions
So long, Ray. Now you get to play with a legitimate contender, not the made up kind.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 4:12 PM PDT reply actions
SF needs to spend the salary savings wisely
The deals removes over $2.5M from SF payroll. If/when SF deals Aurilia there would be another possible $2M plus savings
that's enough to construct a cyclone fence in right-center, to shorten triples alley
More home runs.
Some for us, most for the other guys.
is it for HAmmond and Ford?
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Jul 20, 2008 4:12 PM PDT reply actions
Do we have to throw in cash?
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Jul 20, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And now for Amy G’s attempt at a serious interview…
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 20, 2008 4:42 PM PDT reply actions
I was at the game.
Not too great.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
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Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
Random, possibly incoherent, thoughts
- I was really pissed that Boch left Lincecum in to start the 7th. I pretty much saw the 3-run homer coming.
- Did the strike zone seem bad on TV? From my vantage point way up in Section 324, it looked like Lincecum was barely getting any calls while anything Parra threw was called a strike.
- There was this older gentleman sitting next to me wearing a leather jacket with “The Intimidator” on the back who had plenty of unintentionally hilarious commentary.
- everyone else was on the same page. I’m not sure Bochy can be forgiven.
- yeah, it was pretty bad
- Goofus?
you can't block the Bocock
-yes
-i don’t know
-no, “hilarious” implies “funny”
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
In the ninth inning, there was a Phillies fan who got in the face of some kid (by “kid” I mean he was there with his parents. He was at least 16) who just casually yelled “Phillies suck!” at him.
It was pretty hilarious.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
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