Trade with Milwaukee done?
by Madtown Bomber on Jul 19, 2008 5:40 PM PDT
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PrintWSSP 1250 AM in Milwaukee is reporting that Milwaukee Brewers and the San Francisco Giants are close to a deal that would send Milwaukee's Double A Catcher Angel Salome, Single A prospect Outfielder/speedster Darren Ford, and Triple A First Baseman Brad Nelson to the Giants for Second Baseman Ray Durham, Reliever Jack Taschner, and a PTBNL.
Here is the link to the Brewers Beat Writer Tom Haudicourt's blog at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal. Where he talks about the possible trade.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/07/19/it-could-be-a-minor-deal.aspx
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That’s odd, because MLB Trade Rumors says that Darren Ford is headed to the A’s for Huston Street…
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WSSP is now reporting that the PTBNL is going to be between Matt Downs or Travis Denker.
Good luck getting Escobar or Gamel from Milwaukee. After the LaPorta deal those two are untouchable. In the CC Sabathia deal Escobar was untouchable period as it is likely he will the be the starting shortstop for the Brewers next year with Hardy either being dealt or moved to third base.
Yip Cabbage
Downs sent to San Jose per Brute.
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Noooo….not Matt Downs!!!!
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by Smotheredinhugs on Jul 20, 2008 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Doing a search
Here is some scoop on the prospects:
http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewPower50.do
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/265240.html
http://www.moundtalk.com/prospects/milwaukee-brewers-top-10-prospects-2008/
http://brewersfanatics.blogspot.com/2008/07/prospect-watch-top-10-prospects.html
Some interesting things to consider is how the Giants view their future catching prospects – with Pablito at AA and the still unsigned Gerald Posey. Does this mean a move to 1b or 3b for Pablito? Are the Giants hedging their bets on the signing of Posey? Oh yeah, and what team couldn’t use another speedy defensive minded CF?
I don’t think it means anything than trying to add talent. Salome has a good defensive reputation and has hit well so far in the minors.
good defensive reputation? I’ve heard he’s alright behind the dish, but has a below-average arm.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Umm not sure where you heard that. His arm is good, its his accuracy of throws which lags. He has some things to work on behind the plate though, such as blocking balls. But he has an average in the minors over .300 thru AA and despite being 5’7 has some pop.
oh
i love his bat, don’t get me wrong. he needs to be a bit more patient, but that’s okay.
BA said in their evaluation he has below average arm strength and lacks in accuracy
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
i am
officially illiterate.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Salome alone seems like a good get for a rental of Durham and a relief pitcher no?
Throw in Ford, who if he can ever improve his contact rate (doubt it) could be a future leadoff man in CF.
And then Nelson, who is a backup at best if not an AAAA player.
Yeah, I’m down with that. Giving up Downs or Denker would suck, but oh well, they’re both most likely backups in the long-run anyway – backup infielders aren’t exactly in scarce supply.
I'm skeptical
They have Weeks at 2B and they have Stetter and Shouse as the lefties in their pen.
Since there were some Street to Brewers rumors earlier today, I’m going to guess it’s Salome + Nelson for Street and Ford for Durham.
he’s better than nothing. Ford’s the kind of player you receive as part of a salary dump.
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Your last sentence is the only thing right
Only because he’s been “blowing saves” by giving up a bunch of dinky hits and has been unlucky with the longball.
06, 07, 08 for Street
Street’s K/9: 8.53, 11.34, 9.00
Street’s BB/9: 1.66, 2.16, 2.36
Street’s ERA: 3.31, 2.88, 4.07
Which obviously means he isn’t any good….. Seriously, what are you talking about? Street is VERY good.
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He’s not even the best closer in his own division. And I can think of plenty of set up men that would be better than him who aren’t even closers yet. The only good thing going for him is that he’s young. He’s solid but nothing special or even good.
He’s not even the best closer in his own division.
That’s the fucking stupidest rationale I’ve ever heard. Congrats. If you don’t think Street is a good pitcher, then you have no clue how to evaluate pitchers.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
This isn’t something subjective. It’s a fact that Street is a very good pitcher. Any actual analysis, other than, “Well some A’s fans don’t like him,” shows that.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Its not a fact, its subjective entirely. If you think a closer with low 90s stuff and no true out pitch, plus one who struggles against LHB’s is a very good pitcher, more power too you. I don’t consider someone who’s middle of the road to be a VERY GOOD PITCHER.
The guy is completely overrated and has been for quite some time. He’s like a young Todd Jones. Average stuff and often shaky performances.
It’s funny, because the numbers say that he’s a guy who strikes out a bunch of hitters, doesn’t walk many, and has an acceptable goundball rate. In other words, the numbers say he’s very good. If you can’t disassociate personal feelings about a player from your analysis of the player, this is what happens. You come to wrong conclusions and look stupid.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
At the major league level they tell quite a lot. And in this case, they say the exact opposite of what you think.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
You really shouldn’t +1 this comment, it makes you look stupid. At the major league level, statistics are very important. In fact, they are the most important thing if you have a good enough sample size.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Apparently the Brewers scouts agree with me, not you.
9:31pm: An update from Haudricourt. He believes the Brewers are working on a smaller deal for Jack Taschner or Ray Durham, rather than Street.Haudricourt says the Brewers scouted Street but the scouts were not impressed. He’s not coming to Milwaukee.
Unfounded rumor? Seconds please. You are clueless and you don’t understand how baseball works.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
If you think the Brewers beat writer would lie than ok.
I find it funny that you somehow think you know how baseball works.
One of us thinks Huston Street isn’t a good pitcher, in spite of all the evidence that he is. I’m done trying to teach you, I’d rather pound nails through my dick.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Huston Street's not that good, man...
I’d side with Hobbes on that one…
No one has yet made a good argument as to why Street isn’t good. There’s been a bunch of, “He’s not that good,” and there’s me saying, “His numbers are very good, you’re stupid.” Please explain why he isn’t good. Use facts and analysis please.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
Ok here's a quick stat
I understand saves aren’t a good metric for measuring a closers worth, but blown saves are. Blown saves make the closer himself solely responsible (unless he has shitty D, which is not the case with the A’s), whereas the closer’s total of saves relies on how good the team is. Now to the point. Huston has 5. That’s the worst in the AL. He also now has a history of injury because of last year. That’s one reason I don’t think he’s that good.
Blown saves aren’t a good stat. He does have an injury history, this is the first good point made against Huston Street.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
The A's have solid D
Blown saves are usually a pretty fair stat for teams with good D.
So you're saying...
it’s…not his fault if he lets up an earned run in a clutch situation? If the closer’s defense holds up for him who else’s friggin fault could it be? The fans’? The point of the saves stat is to measure a closer’s worth in clutch situations. The only things that really can throw off save stats are crappy teams that present the closer no save oppurtunities or teams with shitty defense that fuck up the save oppurtunities for the closer. How are blown saves a bad stat? A little explanation as to why they’re bad would be nice instead of just a ‘nah ahhh!!!’
Ok, I’ll try to explain this. Blown saves are a bad stat because they are too context dependent. Here’s a hypothetical situation:
Player A always comes in with 1 run leads, always pitches 1 inning, and gives up 1 run every 3 outings.
Player B always comes in with 3 run leads, always pitches 1 innings, and gives up 2 runs each outing.
Player A blows 1 out of every 3 saves, Player B never blows any saves. Who is really the better pitcher?
The simple fact is, that while blown saves give us a hazy idea of what happened, they have close to zero predictive value. Strikeout rates, walk rates, and groundball rates are very good predictive tools. You might say he blows too many saves, I would say that if he keeps pitching like he has been, those will happen less frequently.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
he isn’t the best closer in his division? um
K-Rod vs Huston Street
K/G: 9.0 vs. 9.8
WHIP: 1.26 vs. 1.10
xFIP: 4.06 vs. 3.26
BB/G: 5.7 vs. 2.5
Are you kidding me?
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
When healthy Putz is better than both. Morrow will be a stellar closer too.
K-Rod’s struggled a bit with walks this year, but I’d still take him over Street. He’s far more durable and consistent.
here
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/player/index.php?lastName=putz
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/stats/players/index.php?playerId=1642&firstName=Francisco&lastName=Rodriguez
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/stats/players/index.php?lastName=street
look at the entirety of those. Outside of Putz’s ridiculous 2007, they are all about even. ERA is a poor indicator of success for a relief pitcher, as are saves because they both rely too much on performance from the team around them.
K-rod is just below Putz and Street, but all three are excellent closers without a doubt.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a big contract. Putz I doubt will be a closer anymore, he’s struggling to even come back from his injury and for all we know might not be the same ever again in terms of effectiveness.
Street’s stuff has gotten worse since entering the league. If and when he’s traded I don’t see him being a closer for much longer, probably will move to set-up role where he belongs, if not he will be a lower tiered closer, as he pretty much already is.
K-Rod, while his walk rate has been bad this year, I think is good enough still to where he would still be a good closer in the future. He’s never really been injured, he’s durable, he has filthy stuff etc. There’s really no reason to think that he would decline all that much.
ahh!
K-Rod has been getting worse. The other two have improved since their rookie seasons and will probably get better.
also, K-Rod can’t keep throwing like he does forever. Arms just don’t work like that.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he blew another one today, and that was even with the Yankees giving him an out when some kid pinch ran for Giambi and fell down between first and second trying to steal a base. He stinks.
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If the ptbnl is Downs or Denker, I’m less enthusiastic about the trade. Article said Ford’s hitting .230, we don’t need another speedy no hit outfielder. Salome sounds okay, but if we have to give up downs as well as tasch and durham, I’d rather just keep them for now and wait for Pablo/Posey.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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I'd rather have Rickie Weeks than all those prospects
what are they going to do with Weeks if they get Durham? Send him down like they did last year?
If Weeks isn’t available that seems like a pretty decent package for Durham, Taschner, and Denker/Downs
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 19, 2008 6:23 PM PDT reply actions
I think Weeks would still be the starter, unless he hits another extended slump. The Brewers guys are all talking about Durham as a bench player.
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yeah, ok, that makes sense.
I’m just a huge Weeks fan and I would love the Giants to get him
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 19, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
what’s not there to like about a guy with declining LD%, increasing K/BB rate and currently hitting .217/.321/.365?
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, they should just give him away
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 19, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I really
could care less about this. he’s really burly and compact and definitely got that way using steroids. As long as he doesn’t get caught doing it again, I could care less.
p.s. as dan from NM points out, the dude is OPSing .934 at AA
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
A move for Salome is clear indication that Pablo will be switching to 1B full time since Salome is only 5’7” and his only clear MLB position would be behind the plate.
I just checked the gametracker on minorleaguebaseball.com and both Ford and Salome are definatly not in their lineups tonight.
Yip Cabbage
I am definitely all for getting rid of Ray. I would say, however, that I am somewhat less than thrilled about the inclusion of Jack Taschner in the deal. Ray Durham for a team’s #8 prospect and some roster filler would be fine, but I don’t know that I like giving up Durham and Taschner who is definitely a nice lefty out of the bullpen.
That said, I am encouraged that Sabean is at least trying to unload some of the veterans.
Taschner's what is getting the value here
Young, cheap and effective. We get scraps just trading Durham into a half season in a bench role.
you can't block the Bocock
Agreed
Plus, I’m higher on Hinshaw than I am on Taschner. He needs to cut down on his walks, but a left-handed reliever with a .225 BAA and well over a strike out per inning sounds pretty good to me. Plus he’s almost 4 years younger than Taschner and much further from free agency.
The only thing that really bums me out about this as a possible trade is the lack of a third baseman. We don’t have anyone ML-ready there, and most likely, Hank Blalock and Joe Crede will be the best free agent options there. Could be another bleak season at 3B. But maybe there’re more trades to come.
I don’t think there are many MLB-ready 3B that could be had for what we have.
I honeslty wouldn’t mind signing Blalock or Crede over the offseason, depending on how much we have to shell out.
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I wouldn’t sign either one. I’d rather have another year of Castillo on the cheap than overpay Blalock or Crede to end up on the DL hitting .240 with 5 HR by the AS Break.
Perhaps not, but I wouldn’t have expected to get a catcher who’s a top-10 prospect and has an OPS of nearly .950 at AA for Taschner, either.
Oh, and Blalock looks okay until you take a look at his atrocious home-road splits. Almost all his offensive production has come in Arlington. He’s also had some injury issues this year.
I know,
Crede also plays in a generous park, and is nearly as fragile.
That’s why I don’t want us to overpay. We have some okay backup options amongst our kinda-sorta 2B prospects (Downs, Denker, Frandsen), but I’d rather they be backup options.
you can't block the Bocock
Groug is going to come breaking through the wall, Kool-aid man style.
Pablito at third? Did that go well?
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Oh, but I'd pay to see...
The video of groug charging through that wall. As a 42-year-old 3B, I can tell you that any athlete who can hit can definitely field well enough to play 3B. Wait, what? There’s a difference between C-league softball and MLB? Whod’a thunk it? Seriously, Pablo at 3B has to be a non-starter. This trade would give us high-upside talent. We’re not at the point where we have to worry that much about how we configure it. Thumbs up on this proposed deal.
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"
um
“any athlete who can hit can definitely field well enough to play 3B”
see: Braun, Ryan.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
twice i’ve been proven illiterate today.
i’m banning myself for the night
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 19, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate Schierholtz
third baseman?
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We’re not going to be good next year either might as well stick one of our AAAA kids there and see if they can play. Or just use Castillo. Either way they’d be a lot cheaper than overpaying some injury prone veteran.
Denker can't be a PTBNL
Giants and Brewers are both in the National League.
Uhhh, didn't we get Denker from the Dodgers ......
LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.
Sorry the wikipedia article is unclear
But the player can’t have ever played in the same league as the team who is receiving him. We were able to get him from the Dodgers cause he had never been on their 40-man roster.
The article seems to contradict that, too. It mentions Jason Schmidt as a minor leaguer who was a PTBNL. I assume that refers to him being traded from the Braves (who drafted him) to the Pirates? But he’d already pitched with the Braves before that trade. Of course, the article could just be wrong about him being a PTBNL – perish the thought.
So Denker can’t be the PTBNL? If the trade even exists? The suspense is killing me!
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by scotterduder on Jul 19, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Blog updated, hearing Durham’s name.
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finally the giants management is being smart...
and considering trading ray durham. but i think their making a mistake on the relief pitcher they chose. Yabu and Walker have been way worse than Jack. I’d like to see one of those two go instead
by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Jul 19, 2008 7:17 PM PDT reply actions
I love this line of reasoning...
Don’t trade the players who have value, only trade the ones nobody wants.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 19, 2008 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Who's on 2b for the Giants
If/When Ray Durham is traded who will be the Giants starting 2b?
a) Burriss
b) Ochoa
c) Denker
d) Velez
e) Vizquel
f) Utley
Brewer fan checking in here
The 1250 rumor is probably not very accurate. I understand why you guys would be excited, but Salome is probably not going to be part of this deal. That rumor came from a poster at MLB Trade Rumors and was relayed a couple of times before getting here.
That said, I think there’s a trade going down between these two clubs, but… giving up Salome and two others for what amounts to a rental and a middle reliever is probably more than the Brewers will do.
I think the reason for the 1250 rumor about Salome is because he’s not in the Huntsville lineup tonight… because he’s serving a suspension for a fight last week.
So the trade is probably on here, but I doubt the Brewers give up Salome, Nelson, and Ford.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
by Jordan M on Jul 19, 2008 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Angel "Suspension" Salome
Salome is because he’s not in the Huntsville lineup tonight… because he’s serving a suspension for a fight last week.
It was a huge brawl
most of the Huntsville lineup got suspended, and they staggered them so they wouldn’t be down too many guys.
I’m guessing here that:
- Radio guy gets ‘scoop’ and speculates that Salome is in deal because he’s not in lineup, unaware of suspension
- Guy hears radio guy, posts on MLB trade rumors
- Tom Haudricourt blog poster reads it, reposts it
- Internet explodes
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
Very true, its not too hard for internet rumors to be spread as “fact” or about to happen type of rumors that have no validity whatsoever. I remember the 49er site I work on starting a rumor last year that got picked up by ESPN somehow.
Last year 1250 reported
that the Brewers acquired Adam Dunn for Matt Wise and a PTBNL. They’re not too reliable.
Also, Haudricourt has updated his blog with the title “I’m hearing Durham’s Name”.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
Rotoworld report
The Brewers could be on the verge of acquiring Ray Durham from the Giants for outfielder Darren Ford, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports.
That’s the guess right now. The Giants wouldn’t need more than a lesser prospect like Ford if the Brewers were willing to take on the rest of the $7.5 million that Durham is owed this season. The Brewers would be picking Durham up as a bench player, but there’s always the chance that he could get a chance to start at second if Rickie Weeks fails to pick it up. Unfortunately, they’d be picking up one of the few NL second basemen who is actually more of a liability than Weeks on defense.
If the Giants trade Durham, they could go with Ivan Ochoa and Manny Burriss at second base or bring back Travis Denker. Jul. 19 – 10:19 pm et
Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
You guys could bring up Bocock!
I seem to remember him being good when he played against the Brewers in April :)
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
never rub
the bo. . .
oh nevermind.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OHHHH!
sick burn.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jul 19, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, 120 posts
You guys are psyched about Darren Ford!
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
+1, times a million
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Who wouldn't be?
I heard that when he hits a line drive, he has to duck rounding first so he doesn’t get hit in the head by the ball.
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
Don't forget about how he's so fast that he can turn off the light switch and be in bed before the room goes dark!
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
we like the sugar man well enough
but we’ve got an assload of marginally talented 2B prospects we should be sorting through.
Also his defence sucks.
He can still hit though.
you can't block the Bocock
oh, we're talking about Ford here.
I’m long past getting excited about fast guys that can’t hit.
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Seriously though
I interviewed Ford’s teammate Stephen Chapman earlier this year and this is what he said about Ford:
BCB: I was going to ask you about Darren Ford. He seems like he has a lot going for him: some pop, some patience, fastest guy in the system, but he’s struggled at Brevard two years in a row. You think he’s got Major League skills though?SC: Yeah, for sure. He can run anything down, he can steal off anyone, he does have some pop, and he is learning how to bunt this year. When he puts it all together, he is amazing. He is the fastest player in our organization, like you said, but I would put money down that he is [one of the] top-five fastest players in pro baseball.
BCB: Have you seen the kid at West Virginia, Lee Haydel, run? He’s supposedly the only guy that can compete with Ford [in the system].
SC: (laughs) He’s a nice guy, and nothing against him, but he can’t keep up with Darren. I’m pretty fast, and I raced Darren two days ago about 40 yards, and he gave me a 10-foot head start and beat me by four steps. It’s crazy—he doesn’t run, he floats.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
It’s very rare for us to actually trade for prospects (or semi-prospects) at the deadline. More often, we do the opposite, even if we’re not in contention. Plus, there have been reports that Sabean is refusing to listen to trades involving anyone but Aurilia or Durham – if Taschner’s involved, that’s not true, which is a Very Good Thing.
Darren Ford, enh, whatever. I’m just hoping this demonstrates that Sabean hasn’t convinced himself we need to trade for veterans.
I know Zduriencik
seemed to be high on Ford. If he can improve his hitting he would be pretty good.
I know what you mean, and I agree with you, but that's pretty funny
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
As luck would have it, "Two Weeks' Notice" is inexplicably on my television
And this scene stars none other than…Shinjo-san!
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
Salome would be a nice haul for these two
Ford seem like a non prospect and Nelson will likely at best be a platoon with Bowker but Salome is a pretty legit catching prospect. He could potentially replace Molina in 2010 and if he has a good year he will be a very nice trade chip by the time Posey is ready
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Ford is a prospect. His biggest issue is contact. He’s a ML ready defender, has plus plus speed as well. He’s probably a future backup OF. To me he’s like another Rajai Davis just faster but with a lesser arm. He has some pop too. He just isn’t the greatest contact guy. If he can improve that at all, he could be a leadoff man.
so in other words
he’s Mike McBryde without the rocket arm or OBP.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
I was thinking Antoan Richardson
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 19, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry I don't see it
he has great speed, but is pathetic at making contact at high A in a REPEAT year! In the Giants system where speedy OF’s are a dime a dozen, I sincerely doubt he will ever spend more time in the bigs then a September callup oneday.
I’d love it if I’m wrong, but there isn’t much I’m seeing here.
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by NeifiChicken on Jul 19, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If the trade is just Durham for this Ford guy
then Ford is just another Rajai Davis and Travis Denker.
Which is somewhat encouraging in our own low-standard sort of way.
Only 876 games until the end of Zito's contract
And what get NOTHING for him? He’s pretty much said this could well be his last year, so its not like we’d get compensation. Plus because of our crappy AAAA 2b prospects, we’d probably just pull a Vizquel and resign Durham to a 1 yr deal with an option for another if he felt like he still wanted to play and then where would we be?
umm
Well we wouldn’t offer him arbitration so that rules out any compensation, but Darren Ford is hardly compensation either
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by NeifiChicken on Jul 20, 2008 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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it’s better than nothing. Not only that but it would open up room for burriss, denker and anybody else we should be evaluating in this so far wasted year. Durham is worth a couple extra wins, but is that really helping the future of this franchise? All we get with Durham is a lower draft pick.
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Getting rid of Durham frees up money to get buster is 12 million dollar bonus. I know they are supposedly from 2 different payrolls, but you’ve gotta believe that 3 mill would be helpful.
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Buster isn’t getting anywhere near a 12 million dollar bonus. He’ll be lucky to get 4.5 million. He’ll probably get 3.5.
Yes and no
12 is ludicrous, but I could easily see him cracking 5 million, or possibly even getting a dollar figure close to number 1 pick, Tim Beckham. My guess is 5 M gets it done
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by NeifiChicken on Jul 20, 2008 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions
The $12 million was really based I believe on being #1, especially as Pedro was known to be looking at around $9.5 and Buster’s people wanted to make sure they’d be appropriately separated in money from the #2 choice. At 5 he’s obviously not getting $12. Still, Wieters got $6 mil out of the same #5 slot last year, so his agent’s are certainly going to be using that figure as a benchmark. Figure some “COLA” increase and I’d say it would take about 6.2 and a major league contract to get it done.
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Except
The Giants have pretty much already said he won’t be getting a ML contract. And Wieters was a better prospect and also had Scott Boras as his agent. Seeing as the Giants have never spent over 3 million on a draft pick before I have a hard time thinking Buster would double that. 5 Mill max, at the most. He’ll probably get around 3.5 or 4, since Skipworth got 3 million a pick lower than him at 6.
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It would be weird if the trade was finished tonight and Durham was in the starting lineup for the Brewers tomorrow. I’m sure he’d go 5 for 5 and make a dazzling defensive play in the late innings, knowing our luck.
Also, would this trade increase Burriss’ chance of seeing any playing time from .0005% to .002%?
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Vizquel's injury should help Burriss' playing time more
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 19, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Go 2-for2, fake an injury, retire
priceless
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 19, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
increase Burriss’ chance of seeing any playing time from .0005% to .002%
nah. maybe .0005% to .001%. maybe.
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precisely.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 20, 2008 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
Intriguing if you’re right – I guess we’ll see…
Espinelli unlikely...
From sfgate.com….
Giant Olympian: Left-handed reliever Geno Espineli, who is having a fantastic season for Triple-A Fresno, has been selected to the U.S. Olympic team and will compete in Beijing next month. The 25-year-old is 1-1 with a 2.06 ERA with six walks and 47 strikeouts in 521/3 innings.
Each major-league organization submitted a list of prospects it would approve for the Olympics. The Giants included Espineli, even if it meant he could not be called up to help the major-league club until the Olympics were finished.
“From those names, if somebody is lucky enough to make it, you wish him well,” general manager Brian Sabean said. “He’ll get just as much out of the Olympic experience than the big leagues, and there was no guarantee he’d be here anyway.”
It wouldn't make sense...
To make the Olympic team, Espineli had to be cleared by the team to not be eligible for a call-up. The team has commented publicly on that.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/19/SPQE11RJ7K.DTL
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 19, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hank Schulman’s take from SFGate.com
UPDATE: From what I’m hearing, rumors of a blockbuster are not true, and that Durham is the main man in the deal. One reason Durham’s agent might be in his office on a Saturday night, and why the deal could not be announced Saturday, is that Durham is a 10-5 guy who needs to approve any trade. That can involve negotiations with a player.
If Rickie Weeks comes to the Giants
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Offensive downgrade as a path to victory?
No. Just… no.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 20, 2008 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd love it if Weeks was involved
His stock could seriously soar in a new environment. Durham and Taschner straight up for Weeks and Turnbrow would suit me fine. Turnbrow has probably the worst walk rate in history at AAA though, haha
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by NeifiChicken on Jul 20, 2008 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions
A deal that would send Taschner (2-1, 3.03) and veteran second baseman Ray Durham from San Francisco to Milwaukee is “in the wind,” according to a National League executive. That possibility was first mentioned by FOXSports.com
It was reported in the Journal Sentinel that a Brewers’ minor leaguer, Class-A Brevard outfielder Darren Ford, was removed from a game Saturday, and that paper speculated he could be dealt soon, perhaps to San Francisco. Triple-A first baseman Brad Nelson, who has 12 homers and is batting .301, could be another player who’d interest the Giants.
With young Brewers second baseman Rickie Weeks playing better lately, it is believed Durham would serve as a utilityman in Milwaukee and possible second-base insurance in case Weeks went back into a hitting funk. The Brewers are being patient with Weeks since he was a No. 2 pick overall. Durham wouldn’t be much of an upgrade over Weeks defensively. But as one NL scout said, “He gives you a good at-bat.”
Taschner, a native of Racine, Wis. likely would be thrilled to go to his home state team. The lefthanded Taschner is known to be a huge Packers fan and even bigger Brett Favre fan.
The Giants would also like to find new homes for vets Randy Winn, Dave Roberts and Rich Aurilia … if anyone will take them.—Jon Heyman, SI
Tom Haudicourt from the Milwaukee paper gives the radio rumor some legs again.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 21, 2008 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions
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