3 Ways to avoid a 14 inning All-Star Game
1. Allow position players to re-enter the game as pitchers: It'd be funny to watch, they'd throw meat, so runs would get scored, and why the eff not?
2. Start each extra inning with a runner on second: They do it in softball in games that matter. So why couldn't baseball do it in a game that "counts"?
3. Home Run Derby, Penalty Kick-Style: Every player on the roster gets one swing to try and hit one out, pitchers included. Most jacks wins.
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Choice 5: Keep a few extras in reserve for a tie in the 11th inning.
Let them play through 10 with the original roster; then if still tied in the 11th, release 2 more position players and 2 more pitchers (numbers are negotiable).
But still, who the eff cares?
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 15, 2008 10:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
um i think I vote choice five, too. But i think managers should just have hold players in reserve on the bench. the everyone plays in 9-thing is stupid. Sorry. Starter goes three. Second starter 2-3. Relievers one whole inning or so. Then with another 4-5 pitchers can take the game another 8-12 innings.
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by kennv on Jul 15, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was rooting for a position player pitching in the game. (Is that possible now? It’s just switching positions.) Either that or the home run derby idea.
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by raisingcain on Jul 15, 2008 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
who gives a flying fuck if the game ends in a tie?
it’s a meaningless exhibition, if the game goes 15 good innings and they have no more pitchers left, just let it be a tie for the love of God.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 15, 2008 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your “solution” flies in the face of the whole “This Time it Counts!” Bullshit that Selig is so intent spreading.
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by PacBellBoozer on Jul 15, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that is my point
get rid of that stupid bullshit and make it an exhibition game!
if they insist on making it “count” then they should really make it count and remove the exhibition elements from the game. That means no more “every team gets a player” rule, no more fans voting in guys who don’t deserve to be there (or players voting either, their choices were the worst), no more parade down Main Street a couple hours before the game. Personally, I would favor just keeping it an exhibition and enjoying it as such. But to try to have it both ways is just the height of stupidity (and hey, what do you know, it was Bud Selig’s idea, shocking!)
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 15, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strictly speaking, every game
is an “exhibition”. They are just exhibiting different things.
Why would it be the “height of stupidity” to try to make a game competitive, and also allow fan voting and parades down main street? Last time I checked, baseball is entertainment.
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by rfloh on Jul 16, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it when people use this argument: yes baseball is entertainment and no it doesn’t “mean something” in the context of curing cancer and ending world hunger and solving the problems of the world. But in the context of people who care about and enjoy baseball (which, as I understand it, is what we do around here) regular season games are important to determining who qualifies for the playoffs and eventually wins the championship and an All-Star game has no bearing to those relatively important things. My whole point to this was let’s let the game be purely entertainment not force some half-assed “let’s make it count” bullshit on us.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when they mentioned that Terry Francona was firm in not letting Kazmir throw more than X number of pitches, I wondered if he’d have the cojones to switch him with a position player and let them pitch, or if he was just going to go out there and concede the game/ask for a tie.
by ExcuseMeSwing on Jul 15, 2008 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Navarro plays 3rd, Longoria pitches, Kazmir catches
then Francona could ensure the Rays drop out of the race!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously the incentive to get home field advantage in the WS made a difference
otherwise it would have been a tie…or they might still be playing!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2008 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bring in the aluminum bats and extra bouncy balls in the 10th
by fwoty oz on Jul 16, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and / or remove 1 defensive position per extra inning
you lose your third basemen in the 10th
2 outfielders for the 11th
no 2nd basemen in the 12th (don’t think you’d get this far)
by fwoty oz on Jul 16, 2008 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OR!
After the 9th, the visiting team bats until they score a run (however many outs it takes). The home team then must score a run (or runs) within the same number of outs or they lose. If they tie just do it again. Chances of that tying twice would be nuts.
by fwoty oz on Jul 16, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or just call it a gdamn tie after 9 innings and let record decide home field advantage (or flip a coin)
by fwoty oz on Jul 16, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do this...
Make “All-Star” bonuses illegal in contracts. Dump the 1-player from every team rule.
Pay the winners a million bucks per man as a bonus if they are in uniform including the manager, losers get zip.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Jul 16, 2008 1:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ding ding ding
Game would instantly mean something
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to avoid an extra inning AS game...
Just make it make it mandatory to have Barry Zito pitch late in the game…
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by Mordy From Monsey on Jul 16, 2008 3:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
zing!
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by wjackalope on Jul 16, 2008 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was kind of cool when the All-Star game ended in a tie a few years ago and never understood the outcry afterward. People go to baseball games hoping to see something they’ve never seen before. And that could certainly be said about an All-Star game ending in a tie.
And Selig’s solution for this “travesty” was making it mean something… a rule that virtually everyone in baseball hates. Not only that, but it actually exaserbates the problem instead of fixing it by forcing managers to tax pitchers when all parties involved would actually prefer just ending the game. It was very gratifying to see Selig stewing in his own mess for a while last night and I was hoping it would go on longer.
That being said, I have always thought that Selig could have done wonders for his image and reputation had he shown a little spontanaeity and creativity a few years ago. With the game tied in extra innings why not just tell each manager to select any position player he chooses for a quick home run derby (most HRs in 5 outs). The fans would have loved it, it would have been completely unique and extremely easy. It takes 30 seconds to bring out the pitching net. Problem solved.
by saveuszito on Jul 16, 2008 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But it's a baseball game after all
and they don’t end with cop-outs akin to penalty shootouts.
In case anybody cares, pro ball games in Japan can end in a tie. They don’t play past the 12th inning.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Jul 16, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this time it counts BS
I heard Steve Phillips on the radio last night. Normally, I don’t listen to this idiot, but he said that after the tie in the ASG in 2002, a rep from the commish called all of the GMs in the league (Phillips was the Mets GM at the time) and asked about making the ASG count for determining homefield advantage in the WS. Phillips said that all of the GMs said NO, but that the Commish went ahead and did it anyway. It certainly is a rule that needs to be gone.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2008 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow that sucks.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 16, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet, it isn’t the least bit surprising
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASG changes
A better idea would be to play the game on Wednesday, rather than Tuesday. That would give all of the pitchers an extra day of rest, which would eliminate, in my opinion, the “Kazmir” problem. there’s only 3 games or so tomorrow, so making Thursday a day off/travel day wouldn’t eliminate too many games. Monday could be an off day/travel day as well.
Also, the teams should carry more starters Starters can go 2-3 innings each and the relievers can be used to mop up. Saving a few starters for extra innings would also eliminate concerns with running out of pitchers.
I also hate to say this, but all of the ASG should use a DH. I know, that’s heresy, but it would eliminate having to pinch hit for pitchers in the NL parks. Obviously, that wasn’t a factor last night, but it was in 2002.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
for sure
this game would have been a lot worse if it were in an nl park.. they woulda ran out of pitchers by the 10th
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by Azmanz on Jul 16, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse = Better
We would have gotten to see Position players pitch!
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3. Home Run Derby, Penalty Kick-Style: Every player on the roster gets one swing to try and hit one out, pitchers included. Most jacks wins.
Apparently that’s how they do it in Israel.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jul 16, 2008 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or expand the rosters by two pitchers a side:
They must not enter before the 12th inning or while their team has more than one “regular” pitcher left in the bullpen. They need to average at least 2 innings per appearance in the prior 6 baseball months. And they can’t be part of a double switch (my ””Brooks Kieschnick” rule.)
Gives the league a chance to recognize the spot-starter/long man. Or it’s a chance to say bye to some stalwart starter who’s on his last laps because at least he gets introduced. Yeah, Jamie Moyer is the guy I’m thinking of.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
by S.F. Giangst on Jul 16, 2008 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nostalgia FTW
Each squad also has to carry a former All-Star pitcher from their league who has been retired for at least 10 years. In the 12th, they have to run them out there.
by NearestNorwich on Jul 16, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or...
the home field advantage garbage can be thrown out, and we can all just enjoy the exhibition game and not get our panties bunched when the game ends in a tie. Two of my favorite ASG moments were Randy Johnson causing John Kruk to poop himself, and Larry Walker turning around to hit RH against Johnson. Fun stuff you’d never see in a regular season game, but since “This Time It Counts”, that kind of fun has to be kicked out of the game.
by tyrannoman on Jul 16, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I also enjoyed the fake 1st inning walk to BLB
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intentional Walk, that is
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think home run derby to determine winner would a very fair rule. You can be an all-star without being a power hitter. Player on second sounds good though ;) Although if it weren’t for the stupid home field advantage rule, I’d be happy with a tie after a certain amount of time.
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by GiNgiNxbOi on Jul 16, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“Home run derby” is not in the rules of baseball! It has no place in baseball, and is a cheap marketing gimmick. Therefore, Bud Selig will adopt it.
yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!
by satyricrash on Jul 16, 2008 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Gamers
Not for an All-Star Game anyways
There were several plays at the plate where, I think, if the players felt it REALLY counted they would have gone in a lot harder. There was also a double play made where the guy running to second [from first] made no attempt to take out the player turning it at second. I can’t remember what inning it was but I remember thinking “What a wimpy slide…. oh yeah….right…. ASG.”
If the players felt these games really counted, there would have at least been some brutal collisions at home plate.
by Merope on Jul 16, 2008 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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