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Relative to Expectations....

The preseason question that everyone was asking was along the lines of this:

Okay, so if the team is so terrible, what would make this a successful season?

The answer, invariably, would be something like this:

One, just one, position player proving that he can hit at the major league level. Health and improvement out of the young pitchers. The veterans playing well enough to be traded at the deadline. A return of the Crazy Crab. Some good prospect news. Barry Zito earning 1/6th of his contract.

Other than the indefatigable Lou Seal and the non-indefatigableness of Barry Zito, it’s amazing at how much of a success this season has been in Theoryland. Not one, but two position players have looked like they deserve to be a part of the rebuilding process. Two of the wretched veterans from last season, Rich Aurilia and Ray Durham, look like players that other teams would actually want. Tim Lincecum is already one of the best pitchers in the game, Jonathan Sanchez has been very impressive, and, Matt Cain kept the gains in his strikeout rate from the end of 2007. Madison Bumgarner and Tim Alderson are establishing themselves as two of the best pitching prospects in the game.

And yet, this team still makes me want to punch myself in the face. Note to self: Modest expectations don’t make a difference to the face-punching quotient.

The grades below, though, are relative to preseason expectations. The Giants don’t get an A+ for their first basemen compared to the rest of the league or division. Not even close. But considering that the Giants didn’t appear to have anyone in the organization who could hit enough to be a first baseman for the St. Paul Saints, the mini-emergence of Bowker and the resurgence of Aurilia might be the most amazing things to happen to the team this season.

Today, the position players. Tomorrow, the pitchers. Wednesday, the world.

 

Catcher

Molina, on average, has been exactly what we expected: a guy who could help a good team by hitting a little bit from the catcher’s position. As a clean-up hitter, he’s one of the most unfortunate bullet points on Brian Sabean’s resume. The hot start was replaced with a brutal slump, otherwise this grade would have been higher.

Grade: C

1B

See above for a more detailed explanation, but Bowker’s success is impressive because he adjusted to the league’s initial adjustment to him. If he enters 2009 as the starting first baseman, I’ll be happy. That isn’t something I expected to say about anyone in the organization as of February.

Grade: A+

2B

Durham bounced back amazingly, but the grade is dropped because of Kevin Frandsen’s injury and Eugenio Velez’s eugeniosity. This was one position that I would hoping would be a non-issue for 2009, and that’s not the case.

Grade: B-

SS

Hey, if there are imaginary numbers, are there imaginary letters that scientists can develop to give a grade for the shortstops? The Giants received an ampersand/(f-) offensive performance from two of their shortstops, and that's being extremely generous. No one expected any offense from the shortstop position, but the Mendoza Line would have been nice. Emmanuel Burriss and the collective defensive performance makes it possible to forego the controversy and give a real letter for a grade.

Grade: F+

3B

I forgot Jose Castillo existed when I posted this an hour ago. I guess that's better than him being unspeakably awful, which is what I expected from third this year.

Grade: Ehhhh +

OF

Fred Lewis has been one of the team’s best offensive players, Aaron Rowand has been productive (though streaky), and Randy Winn is Randy Winn is Randy Winn. According to the stats, they’ve been the best defensive troika in the league to this point. It all adds up to a solid ‘B+’, but the fact that Lewis is getting the at-bats in the first place makes the grade…

Grade: A-

 

Comment starter: So, like, how stupid are these grades? Oh, yeah? Then put your money where your fingers are, and give out your own grades, smart guy.

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Giants look

much better if you eliminate 3B as a position.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Jul 14, 2008 1:22 PM PDT   0 recs

It eliminates the inevitable GIDP.

Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 14, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So that would stand for...

Grade I Didn’t Post?

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by Lyle on Jul 15, 2008 6:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

:D

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by delorean on Jul 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This team makes me want to punch Grant’s self in the face, too.

I agree with the grades Grant laid out, especially 3B, but SS is still the toughest to grade. I’m kind of enthusiastic about Burriss, so I choose to see the glass as 1/4 full and say “We’ve got a guy who can start there next year if we don’t find anything better.” That’s something.

Proud adoptive father of Rafael Rodriguez. Hit well soon, son!

by Goofus on Jul 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT   0 recs

The big problem (obviously) is that Burriss actually needs to be played. Since Bochy’s almighty decree, on June 30 (I believe), Vizquel has started 9 games (not to mention the next 5 after the decree) and Burriss has started 3.

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by marcello on Jul 14, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem with Burriss is he can’t hit righties. He’s currently rocking a .215/.292/.231 in 65 at bats vs. the right handers. His numbers are propped up by a line of .383/.423/.489 against lefties.

By contrast, Omar’s been very consistent, OPSing .407 against righties and .404 against lefties.

Overall, we really don’t have a guy who could start next year at shortstop.

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by groug on Jul 14, 2008 3:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Letter grades are an inaccurate, cliched, and downright lazy method to evaluate performance. Because of this glaring flaw, I believe this post rates as one of Grant’s worst ever. Grade: D-

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT   0 recs

Third-worst post at best. AT BEST!

Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Jul 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

109th best, imo

by Viliphied on Jul 14, 2008 2:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can it play 3rd?

Anagram of "Giants pitcher Matt Cain" = TRAGIC MAN, ISN'T PATHETIC

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 14, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it’s more of a natural center fielder. Sign it up!

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Curious

Is that what she would have said if anyone asked?

by NearestNorwich on Jul 15, 2008 9:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

C to SS

I don’t think any of us expected anything out of SS this year (I know I didn’t, at least). Burris has been OK enough to bring up the grade of Omar’s suckiness.

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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT   0 recs

F the world.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jul 14, 2008 1:53 PM PDT   0 recs

FTW!

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Jul 14, 2008 2:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What is the world coming to when a kid can put up a .274/.317/.449 line at first base and be rewarded with an A+???? It’s grade inflation, is what it is. Why, in my day, you’d have to hit 30 bombs before you could even think about pulling down an A.

Of course, you try to tell that to kids today, they won’t believe you.

by Evan on Jul 14, 2008 2:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Actually...

Bowker’s put up a .234/.279/.357 line at first base. .389/.395/.778 as a right fielder, though.

I demand the grades be changed to reflect this statistical anomaly!

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jul 14, 2008 2:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In your day, all the players remmebered to take their vitamins.

Proud adoptive father of Rafael Rodriguez. Hit well soon, son!

by Goofus on Jul 14, 2008 2:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Vitamins?

Where I come from they are called PEDs or performance enhancing drugs for short.

Proud father of Eric Surcamp! I sure hope we sign him.

by The Thrill on Jul 14, 2008 5:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I bet you had to do it in the snow, too.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2008 2:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uphill in both directions.

Adopted brother of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 14, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m so happy with Bowker I could…I dunno, do something real nice for him. I love the way he’s made adjustments, he’s gonig the other way now, and I think soon Opposite Field Power™ will rear it’s beautiful head for Johnny. Viva la Bowker!

by tyrannoman on Jul 14, 2008 3:08 PM PDT   0 recs

If he’s going the other way now, then I’d say that’s a good sign that you could in fact do something real nice for him ::wink wink::

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

+1

I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..

by lmaozedong on Jul 14, 2008 11:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just right

I agree with all these grades. On top of that, I find myself having more fun watching the Giants this year than I did in 2005, 2006, or 2007. That said, those years were as fun as a simultaneous root canal and colonoscopy from a dyslexic dominatrix, so I’m sort of damning with faint praise.

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)

by antinous on Jul 14, 2008 3:13 PM PDT   0 recs

simultaneous root canal and colonoscopy from a dyslexic dominatrix

Pics or it didn’t happen.

by Grant on Jul 14, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

up to this point

i would say that i am pleasantly suprised by a few players and accepting of what the other players have given. basically, pretty much what has already been said. although, if you take the DPs out of Castillo’s arsenal and look at what we are paying him, i would say a “C” would have been ok with me. a little lower than Happy Pete to this point, but we all know Pete and he will show up in the second half. besides $650K compared to $3M. it is basically Happy Pete-Lite. still tastes like shit, but is less filling to the payroll.

bowker has been real nice, freddie looks good. a little disappointed in rowand. solid in the field, but can somebody tell him he doesn’t have to swing at every curveball in the dirt. he is going to see all of 5 fastballs the rest of the way. he can be a little selective at the plate.

but grant forgot the intangibles. such as dave roberts not playing A+, velez being sent down A+, only to be brought back up F-.

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by Cynema the Band on Jul 14, 2008 4:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Relative to Expectations

Grant,

I’m not sure I would give Benji a C+. He’s a terrible hitter. His OBA is lousy, and always has been. On top of that, the man is so slow, not only clogging the bases as a baserunner, but a passed ball or wild pitch is an adventure. He may not be as slow as Ernie Lombardi was, but he’s damn close. I agree that Sabean/Bochy making him a cleanup hitter is a joke.

The rest of the team, well, it’s no suprise the Giants are 10th in the league in runs scored, 14th in OBA, and 13th in slugging percentage. Offensively, they’re awful. Bill James in The Bill James Goldmine, pointed out that not only are the Giants awful right now, but they could conceivably get even worse.

Folks keep discussing their pitching, but beyond Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez, things look pretty dreadful, and could burst into flames at any second. He’s given up as many hits as his innings pitched, and he’s averaging 4.5 walks per nine innings pitched. Even for a reliever, that’s pretty poor.

Things might get a bit better, but from where I stand, things could get a lot worse a lot quickly.

Matt

Matt Benham

by kseesar1 on Jul 14, 2008 4:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Matt

I assume you are referring to Brian Wilson when you say “he’s given up as many hits…”?

Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!

by Lyle on Jul 15, 2008 6:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Relative to Expectations

I meant to say Brian Wilson could burst into flames at any second. I don’t know why he’s going to the All-Star Game. Go figure.

Matt Benham

by kseesar1 on Jul 14, 2008 4:24 PM PDT   0 recs

NL SAVES LEEDAR!!!!1!

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by groug on Jul 14, 2008 4:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who cares about his era?

The most important stat for closers in my book is save percentage. And he’s 25 of 27.

25 of 40 wins are thanks to Brian Wilson (62.5% of our wins for you non-math majors). You think 40-55 is bad? It could be a lot worse considering the production we’ve been getting at the closer position in recent years. This team would be far shitier without Brian Wilson.

formerly April3rdLifeBegins

by YaSquare on Jul 14, 2008 8:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't recall saying I didn't like him...

I’m a big Wison fan. He gets the job done, but one (me) has to assume that he’s going to start blowing up after awhile with all the runners he lets on base. It seems like many of his saves come in VERY tense circumstances. I suppose that’s a good sign (he works well under pressure), but it’s still unnerving for me anyways.

by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2008 10:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I would be more concerned with Wilson’s current methods if …

1) He Already had a MLB track record of being good for a long time.

Or

2) If Wilson had a MLB track record for the high wire acted for more then 1.5 seasons.

Or

3) the team was competing for the post season.

Otherwise:

He is a success for a rebuilding year. This is exactly the type of year to get in that experience that will show if we have a new Walker or Mando type reliever in Wilson or if the club has something better.

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on Jul 15, 2008 8:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The good thing....

Is there is more answers than questions compared to where we were in March.

Now what is needed is to move Winn, Durham, Aurilia, possibly Wilson and maybe the unthinkable in Cain. The left side of the infield isn’t going to be repaired without due diligence and an elite prospect at either 3B or SS who is ready or near ready to play for 2009.

it's always noonan somewhere

by sectionop92 on Jul 14, 2008 5:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Who would want Trevor Wilson?

Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!

by Lyle on Jul 15, 2008 6:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Reds, but not for long.

you can't block the Bocock

by oldjacket on Jul 15, 2008 9:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Burriss wanted to start a band

...what a great band name this would be: Manny Burriss and the Collective Defensive Performance.

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 14, 2008 6:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Small quibble

I think Richie is experiencing a ‘mini-resurgence’....

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 14, 2008 8:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Gross.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 14, 2008 8:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Grades

Benjie’s grade is right for the wrong reasons. He should be sharply downgraded for his disturbing tendency to drop throws from the outfield on key plays at the plate (and he never seems to block the plate). But he should get credit for the number of hits that seem to have come at important times.
I also think the outfield needs to be knocked down a half grade for so many inaccurate throws on close plays at third and home.
Finally, SS can never be an F as long as Omar’s fielding is thrown into the mix. But I’m ok with D-.

by NearestNorwich on Jul 15, 2008 9:57 AM PDT   0 recs

One fundamental complaint I have about the McCoven:

Is the apparent presumption that because players like Bowker, Lewis, Sheirholtz, etc. are not projected to become stars, they are not going to be valuable to this team. While this team eventually needs stars – it also needs “good enough” roster filler – and that is what we are looking for right now.

Very few teams in the history of the ML have had a star at all positions. In fact, I cannot think of a single team in the ML right now that doesn’t have at least one or two young “filler” type players holding down a position for the year (or two).

The Giants are not going to turn into an elite team with a > 100 OPS+ at every position any time soon. That is what we hope might happen with the Poseys, Villalonas, etc as they progress to the big club. That however does not mean that the team cannot become a contender in the meantime. (Or at least, not an embarrassment)

Players like Lewis, Bowker, Sheirholtz may never put up consistent > 100 OPS performances – However players like these are the foundation on of which a few high OPS+ players can stand to lead a team into a World Series.

So while these young players we are seeing this year may not become the stars that lead this team into the future, they still have a lot of value to us as ~average position players that supplement star players that we will trade/FA/develop in the years to come.

This is, in my mind, the #1 goal of this season – to find the Lewis and Bowker types who can hold their own (even if only through platooning, etc) at the ML level and allow us to focus Trade/FA/Development efforts at other, more lacking, positions. If the opportunity to replace one of our young “average” players with a star from one of these avenues surfaces, then certainly – upgrade, But it is critical that we first have “good enough” players at all positions before we can really think about being a team to be taken seriously.

As an example, even the Red Sox have four starting position players with an OPS < 90. They also have quite a few players with OPS+ > 120, but that doesn’t mean that Jacoby Ellsbury (OPS+ 88) isn’t a valuable player to them. Would they like to have a better player at the position? I’m sure – but reality is that within their capabilities he is the best they are able to field, and that is apparently good enough.

I am hopeful that Lewis, Bowker, Shierholtz, and maybe some others (Burriss?) can develop into (at least) this type of player, and I think that would make this season a great success.

We don’t need any of them to become stars – we can find those later.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2008 10:53 AM PDT   0 recs

The problem is that these guys (Bowker, Lewis, etc.) are our stars. You see the problem now?

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jul 15, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That is a problem

But that is a problem that is inherent to our situation. That does not mean that Bowker, Lewis, Etc are not valuable players.

Yes, we will need some star players to make this team a serious contender. However, we will also need some average players to fill in around them (and preferably average players with complimentary skills).

It would be great if we could hatch a star out of our current farm crop, but if instead all we do is discover a few near average players (Bowker, Lewis, etc) then we have still succeeded this season (because we have no one in the high minors whom we can reasonably expect to be a star).

We aren’t going to have a star at every (or even most) position at any point in the foreseeable future. What we need to do is build a team full of near average players that we can insert stars into as we find them. (be it by FA, trade, or development)

Bowker, Lewis, etc have a solid chance at being part of that team, and that is great news. Even if they have to be platooned etc. to maintain “useful” levels of performance, they are still a valuable asset when one looks at the alternative (Dave Roberts type FA filler) methods that the team has been using for the last 10 years.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your point is a good one, but...

1B and LF are typically where you expect to get the most production—i.e. that’s where your “stars” play. If we’re getting league average production out of those two spots then we need to get star production out of our C, 2B, SS, 3B, RF, CF… Aside from C where we might get star production out of Posey or Sandoval, the organization isn’t exactly overflowing with world beaters (at short, second, third, right etc.).

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 15, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You make a very good point & that’s one of the problems we’ve had with our position players & one of the luxurys we’ve had with our pitchers. Due to the unbalanced nature of the prices, average young players are very valuable to a team, because of their cheapness. The most obvious evidence is from our own roster where we’ve been paying $36M on Roberts, Winn, Durham, Aurilia, Vizquel & Molina. If you can get similar, average production out of young players, then even if they’re no better, they still save you a large amount of money that can be spent elsewhere, namely on the stars that we’re also missing.

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by GiantFan on Jul 16, 2008 1:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought you left out Castillo on purpose as a joke, Grant. I clearly overestimate you.

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by Natto on Jul 18, 2008 9:09 AM PDT   0 recs

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