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Sabean must come through...

I think the Giants are gradually going in the right direction...BUT at the all star break, if sabean does not get rid of MOST of the old players, everything will be lost. Currently we stand at 28-35, and are tearing it up. We would currently have the 7th round pick in next year's draft. That is not what we want. We want a early top 5 pick. Preferbly top 3 pick. This year is lost. Ray Durham is batting .306. We MUST take advantage. Same with Randy Winn. No onr is going to want to give up a A,B,C prospect for one of those players. We need to package players together to certain teams. We are also trying to trade Tasch, Chulk, WALKER, tHREETS, pretty much our OLDER bullpen. Threets is young and is a prospect which gives him decent value. If we could pull something like... Winn, Chulk, and Durham for a couple of B level prospects that would be great, and if we could trade walker, threets, aurilia and taschner for a B level prospect, then we would have 3 positon prospects to be excited about,  and our young players would get to play on a daily basis We would have a worse record which would give us a better draft pick. This would lighten up our cap for the next offseasons to come to pick up FAs.  Baseball is won by young teams who want to win. LOok at te yANKEES. look at the marlins and rays. Schierholtz would come up and Denker and Velez would split time at second base. Hopefully Vizquel and Burris can split the time, and Bowker could play daily. Our pitching in the major leagues, and in the farm is good enough. Our offense is whats holding us back.

Bengie: i dont think bengie should be traded b.c. i could not watch steve holm catch for a whole season. He isn't blocking anyone. I do think we should trade Molina next yearfor a B level prospect if he can stay healthy, and keep his performance up. This would also give Sandoval and or Posey an extra year to develop.

Do it Sabean! Ignore the record and work your magic. You're doing the right thing

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Cap?

I really hate it when ignorant morons can’t get it through their skulls that MLB has NO SALARY CAP!

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Jun 9, 2008 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

While we’re at it let’s trade Zito and a few draft picks!

I am growing weary of the mentions of salary cap in the sport but I think calling people “ignorant morons” is a bit harsh. At least save it for chatting over pozole with friends at dinner. ;)

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 9, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assumed

That cap = payroll.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 9, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I saw too...

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jun 9, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assume the same, but I do wonder if these mentions of salary cap and trading draft picks and that are just a quick glossing over assumption that all sports work the same way.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 9, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ignorance and down syndrome

I should appoligize for calling DuikeBuike (why did I read that as Duke Bukkake?) an ignorant moron. He’s not, as he’s probably just a 18-24 y.o. who hasn’t been schooled on the finer points of the game. That being said, I believe anyone who claims to be a baseball fan and refers to runs scored as “points” should be shot in front of the Willy Mays statue.

/Win a World Series and I might not be this bitter.

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Jun 9, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

my bad...

I was still thinking about Duke Bukkake…

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Jun 9, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every time I look at this post

all I’m seeing is “Duke Bukkake”...I just hope the lacross team isn’t involved this time.

by tyrannoman on Jun 9, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no excuse for calling him “Willy”.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Jun 9, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

you’re right. I expect a heafty fine and small suspension would set homerdrew on the right path.

by tyrannoman on Jun 10, 2008 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL... pwn3d!

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Jun 9, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hes doin it rite!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey look, a 17th thread on trading the vets.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 9, 2008 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Ouch, first post at McC and dude’s getting brutalized.

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Fair enough

I don’t want to kick the new guy, but there have been an awful lot of stream-of-consciousness fanposts that really should have been incorporated into a previous thread.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 9, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s not what I would call a well thought out and informed post, but maybe we should cut him a little slack.

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

shut up and take this torch!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

My afternoon, you made it!

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Jun 9, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm here all week

/try the veal!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I have a board with a nail sticking out of it?

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only if it’s on fire, though.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.

Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Jun 9, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pitchforks are much easier to come bye and sort of look like a trident.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Jun 9, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tridents are just the pitchforks of the sea.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea I saw that

....you might want to lay low for a couple days

by sam23 on Jun 9, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soon there will be bigger boards, with bigger nails! One day they’ll create a board with a nail so big it will destroy them all!

If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?

by groug on Jun 9, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simpsons Halloween Special, ftw!

I’m ashamed I know that quote but damn if I didn’t VHS tape every Simpsons Halloween special when I was a kid.

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t need to be ashamed about that around these parts.

Everybody Loves Durham
comics | cartoons | Nattowear

by Natto on Jun 10, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

shut up and take this torch!

Hilarious ! teh intertubes, u win it !

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jun 9, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think any reactions we’re seeing are much more a product of topic fatigue than actual bad feelings toward the poster. Plenty of well established posters have been absolutely reamed for creating topic fatigue style fanposts.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Potential Solution

Perhaps said veteran posters who are showing flashes of their old productivity could me moved for “B” level posting prospects, allowing younger prospects to move up as well. I for one look forward to Angel Lonelyhouse posting at this site within 2-3 years.

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Jun 9, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're crazy

Look, Goofus’ clock is running out already, and clearly no one wants natto (believe me, we’ve tried!). The best we can hope for is offering arbitration to xanthan in the offseason, getting a compensation, and maybe getting a rule 5 pick from Lookout Landing next year.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way. What reason would Xanthan possibly have to decline arb?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just want you all to know that I’m represented by Scott Boras.

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grant had a deal for me all lined up with Gaslamp Ball, but wasn’t willing to buy out my no trade clause. As a result, I’m now feeling both unwanted and disgruntled. Unless someone re-gruntles me soon, look for me to be a clubhouse cancer.

I’ve got the chalk in my hand and just trying to think of something clever to write on the blackboard like Shea did. How about “This team is a stinking shit”?

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Jun 9, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

AJ Goofus :-)

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jun 9, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

trainers, protect the jewels.

by tyrannoman on Jun 9, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goofzynski

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Jun 10, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beware of Michael Barrett

Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!

by SoFa King Mike on Jun 10, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer to think of you as a clubhouse bunion.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Jun 9, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just don’t trade me, though! I’m totally entering my prime!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

15,245 comments before the age of 23? I’m expecting a sharp decline in a couple of years.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 9, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

For the two people who noticed I haven't been posting much this season...

After a spate of unedifying posts during Spring Training, I was put on waivers and claimed by Gawker.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Jun 9, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems to happen a lot.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 9, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My first reaction to this post is, “Wow, what random use of the capital letters.”

My next reaction is to the premise that Sabean HAS to do something with the vets. The current team is playing well because of contribution from both the old and young guys. I would like to see Durham, Winn and Aurilia traded (and I love to see Roberts traded), but have trouble getting excited about B level prospects when those guys are contributing to a team that’s playing some ggood ball.

I’m a fan who always feels we can build for the future without chucking everything now. I still like to see the team win when I go to a game. After the Giants draft, I feel like we’ve got players in the system who project to all the current and projected holes (Villalona or Bowker at 1B, Gillaspie at 3B, Burris at SS, Denker or Noonan at 2B, Posey at C and Schierholz in RF).

Unless the guys you want to trade are going to bring in prospects that are better than what we have, I’m ok with letting this season continue to please. My only fear is Bochy getting too vet-happy if things get tighter.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Jun 9, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Preview Function

if one is going to spend the time to create a fanpost to explore a subject, you’d think that previewing and proofreading the post before submitting would be obvious. If someone can’t take the time to preview and proof their opinions, then it is probably better left as a comment in another relevant thread.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea ... not too cool

I dont think anyone wouldr really disagree with much of what you have to say. But its not realistic to believe that we can turn a package of winn, durham and a relieve for a prospect. Too much salary.

Would it be great if Sabes could shed some of the older players, if for no other reason as to just get the kids more time, absolutely. But whether he is able to do so remains to be seen. The market for vets still hasnt been determined yet. Wait til July … we’ll know more then.

Cain is Able ...

by Norcalfan10 on Jun 9, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Sabean MUST buy me a pony!

yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!

by satyricrash on Jun 9, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, except for the word THREETS (and probably WALKER), I distinctly remember this exact fanpost coming up as 15 diaries exactly one year ago.

See guys, life IS circular!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s like a carousel: You pay the quarter, get on the horse. It goes up and down, and around. Circular, circle, with music, the flow… All good things.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jun 9, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

This Cry To Sell Now! Sell Now! Sell Now! Who Cares What We Get!

Is like a stock market panic and has as much thought and planning as well. Yes, it could be wise to do some selling, but only if we get something we want in return.

The Giants have already placed thier arbitration eligable middle relievers on the market. (Hennessey, Walker, and Chulk). I believe the Giants will also place their expiring contracts infielders on the market (Durham, Vizquel, and Aurilia) once they conclude that they will definately be both below .500 and more the 5 games out at the trade deadline and therefore not in a postion to compete for the division championship.

I do not see the Giants putting Bengie Molina on the market under any circumstances this year. I see the Giants planning on Bengie being their catcher in 2009 and again trying to compete in 2009. We simply do not have an in house option that will be ready next year and with Posey and Sandoval in the pipeline for 2010 is makes no sense to move Molina and then try and find someone else for 2009.

Finally I have come to the conclusion that the Giants are not likely to trade Winn just to unblock Schierholtz. The Giants will only make this trade if they get someone of they believe is of equal value and ready to play every day at the MLB level. The Giants will trade the above middle relievers and infielders for non top tier prospects but they will not trade Randy this cheaply. I only see Randy going if say a quality ready to start at the MLB level SS comes back in return.

by giantsrainman on Jun 9, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think anybody has ever actually said “I don’t care what we get.”

It’s small rhetorical twists like this that make things feel just a little underhanded sometimes.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow
Finally I have come to the conclusion that the Giants are not likely to trade Winn just to unblock Schierholtz. The Giants will only make this trade if they get someone of they believe is of equal value and ready to play every day at the MLB level.

No. Randy Winn does not warrant an everyday MLB player in return. That’s totally, totally unrealistic. A B-level prospect would be great. Plus Nate gets to play.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

me and every GM in baseball

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

And me!!!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you said “Mr. Wrinkles,” and for a minute I was positive that you were using “talking dog” as some kind of bizarre euphemism.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really miss...

the Bocock jokes. Apparently so does Howie ! Your mind is properly placed in the gutter :-)

My adopted son Matt Downs. Bill Mueller without the two-flap helmet .

by nvsfg on Jun 9, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I did the same thing, and didnt realize he wasnt until you pointed it out. I didnt know whether to be confused or repulsed

by sam23 on Jun 9, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

This Isn't Fantasy Baseball, It Is The Real Deal!

Randy can play well above average MLB defense at all three outfield positions and provides well above average offense in CF and average offense at either corner. Any competative MLB team in need of a starting outfielder with excess quality young infielders to trade should be willing to make such a move.

by giantsrainman on Jun 9, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

you let me know when that happens

and i’ll gladly admit that I was wrong.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randy plays above average (not well above average) defense in the corners and close to average in centerfield, and he only actually has a plus bat if he’s playing center.

I think you’re giving him too much credit. He’s a good player. But he’s also a pretty common type of player. And that hurts his value.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Help me out here guys

I’m confused. giantsrainman says that Winn is worth someone “of equal value and ready to play every day at the MLB level”, which, by definition, is exactly what Randy Winn is worth. Where’s the argument? Did I miss something?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 9, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is that his worth does not necessarily equal his value. There are a lot of Randy Winn types out there, and teams looking for Randy Winn types can likely get one for less, and probably younger. If there weren’t a lot of Randy Winn types out there, he wouldn’t be recognized as “league average.”

You have to play the market, not the product. That’s how I see it, anyway.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

on the nose

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of Course The Matket Matters

There does indeed have to be demand and you need to look at the available supply to fill that demand. I see NL demand in San Diego, Chicago (do you really think they are happy with Edmonds and Johnson?), Atlanta, and maybe even Florida (still searching for a decent CFer) and NY (will Alou ever be healthy?) I see AL demand in Detroit, Cleveland, and Toronto. The supply competition I see right now is just Nady and Bay. This demand seems to me to be greater then the available supply.

by giantsrainman on Jun 9, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention the fact that he’s old and makes a bajillion dollars over the next two years.

I love your optimism, Rainman, but you gotta try and be objective here.

by Steve on Jun 9, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

$5M Left This Year and $8.25M Next Year

Is hardly bajillion dollars. It is just the post free agent dollar cost of the value Randy’s talent brings to any team.

by giantsrainman on Jun 9, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome to McCovey Chronicles

If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?

by groug on Jun 9, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It gets on my nerves too

but I just try to roll with it.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jun 9, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't get on my nerves

Without silliness I would have like 4 posts.

If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?

by groug on Jun 9, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I would have, like, 10,500 fewer posts.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 9, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't exist

Only 910 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jun 10, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is true of most of us.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 10, 2008 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not me. My foolery is entirely tomless.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Jun 10, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

does that make you a eunich?

by tyrannoman on Jun 10, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing of value, you say?

Listen up jackass…if it wasn’t for me this site would be horribly deprived of pics of:

Kangaroo porn
Electro-anal enema discipline machines
and countless other images depicting tomfoolery

Petty, I may be….bored with you, I always am. But do say that I have nothing of value is incorrect sir!

Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 10, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only fantasy is your trade demands, rainman

Is it going to be like this every season, with you making lots of outrageous trade proposals like these, overestimating the worth of every Giant vet to other teams and underestimating the value of every other team’s prospects?

Like here, when you said Matt Morris was “exactly what a contending team wants” due to his “gile and playoff experience”, but completely disregard his peripheral stats and downside. Or here where you said we could trade Morris for Yunel Escobar. Or when you refused to give up on the Morris & Bonds to Seattle for Jones & Balentien trade you pulled out of your ass, suggesting it again and again.

Maybe you should try to keep from making snap decisions based on emotions, like you did with this diary here, where you proclaimed Jonathan Sanchez had lost any chance of being in the rotation this year. How’s that working out for you?

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 9, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Damn, Josh.

That was methodical.

(Reminds self to not make Josh mad)

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Am Sure You Have Made An Equal Number Of Misjudgements

But, I do not find your past writings worth researching to point them out. Bottom line is that hind sight is always better the foresight for all.

by giantsrainman on Jun 9, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

EVERYBODYCALMDOWN!

giantsrainman has made a very uncontroversial statement (to which you can disagree, but still) and is getting gang banged for no reason. I was here for the giantsrainman VS. world wars, and I have had my share of arguments with him, but it seems like every discussion involving him goes something like this:

Rainman: Point.
Poster: Counter-point.
Rainman: Counter-counter-point.
Seven different posters: You are a crazy horse-fucking son of a bitch.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 9, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you forgot one detail (emphasis added by me):
Rainman: Point.
Poster: Counter-point.
Rainman: Counter-counter-point involving Poster’s supposed irrational hatred of Brian Sabean clouding their judgement.
Seven different posters: You are a crazy horse-fucking son of a bitch.

I know that just because you responded to me doesn’t mean this comment is directed at me personally, but just in case…

I was careful, as I always am, to criticize the statements made by the poster, and not the poster himself—no name-calling, no supposition about his personal life, the only insults directed specifically at his baseball-related comments, and nothing else. Those who’ve been around here a long time know I find this an important distinction (See: The Great Banning Controversy of Aught-Six).

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 9, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Off meds?

Cuz you sound crazeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I wasn't directing my comment at you

But since you’ve mentioned it…You* * didn’t attack him personally, but you put in a lot of effort just to point out his past mistakes, which contributes little to the discussion, and is pretty close to attacking him personally. And then there’s PPB with his pictures.

Anyway, my point is, that while once it used be like you described it, people seem to have taken EliminateMe’s advice and just started skipping to the horse-fucking part. And that seems wrong.

  • * Just using you as an example for someone who is usually calm and rational and mega-awesome but seems to me too harsh with GR.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 9, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I figured

Obviously I disagree re: my comment (I point out his past mistakes to in order to impugn his credibility, just as one might with Sabean, or a witness in a court of law, or a political candidate), but I do appreciate the constructive criticism (though I prefer to think of myself as “Super-Mega-Awesome” ).

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 9, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

so let me get this right…EliminateMe like to fuck horses?

by tyrannoman on Jun 9, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

All-Father Watch: 1.19 ERA, 6 saves, 0.92 WHIP, 30 Ks in 30 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on Jun 9, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

was it a shetland, then?

by tyrannoman on Jun 10, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lipizzaner? I hardly even know her.

2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!

by Goofus on Jun 10, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You got a problem with me and my pictures?!?

I’ve got one in my back pocket here with some pretty unspeakable acts taking place. Don’t make me fire this one off in your direction.

I was merely trying to point out that I’ve lost any and all respect for this guy’s rants after this last off-season. Months and months of bitching and he still doesn’t get it. I’ve got better things to do with my life than listen to this jackass go on and on. Now, if you don’t mind, I’m off to look for more inappropriate material to add to my war-chest.

Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 10, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

that horse came onto me first. Dont walk around thinking you are special

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 9, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or whorse?

What a skank, that horse.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 10, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right...

...it would save everyone time if we just skipped the “Counter-point” and “Counter-counter-point” phases.

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by EliminateMe on Jun 9, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

its threads like these which make my day

although my cube mates wonder at the muffled guffaws coming from my area.

by Hac Man on Jun 10, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's worth considering

that anything you can say about Randy Winn today you could say about him 3 years ago when we acquired him (when you could also say he was 3 years younger) and we got him for a backup catcher and an ex-prospect pitcher with a bum elbow. How much do you believe the market for him has increased in those three years?

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by Roger on Jun 10, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back to the topic at hand . . .

I support as much as anyone the idea of moving veterans at the deadline. Durham and Winn’s trade value, and perhaps Molina’s may never be higher than they’ll be between now and the end of July. That being said, several of the kids quoted in the papers over the weekend have mentioned how much they’ve learned about situational hitting from watching the vets.

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by Buck Henry on Jun 9, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

How about this.. trade sanchez and winn to the Yankees

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2008/06/five_yankee_tra.html

I’m posting this on multiple fan posts becase I thought it was interesting but not worthy of it’s very own fan post. I also cannot find a topic that fits with this perfectly so just check out the link.

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by The Thrill on Jun 9, 2008 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I think those are bad trades.
Yanks trade Hideki Matsui, Jose Tabata and Alberto Gonzalez to the Giants for Jonathan Sanchez and Randy Winn.

Cool, we get an old OF in Matsui, Tabata who might not ever hit for power, and a AAA SS who can’t hit that much for our best left-hander? I want to move Winn but why replace him with Matsui? Who’s old and injury prone? Tabata could be good one day but I’m not sure if he’ll ever hit for power and has been having “attitude problems” in AA.

A three-way trade in which the Yanks get Nick Swisher, Matt Thornton and John Danks. The White Sox get Melky Cabrera, Hideki Matsui, Ian Kennedy and Ray Durham. The Giants get Paul Konerko, Alberto Gonzalez and Shelley Duncan.

So we swap Durham for Konerko and a quad-A slugger with a AAA shortstop? Ignore the fact that Konkero has an 87 OPS+ this year and has been declining, we also pick up his remaining $24M dollar contract?

I’ve seen this link before and most fans of each team involved have bashed them as just stupid Internet TRADEZ. I don’ think they make any sense for the Giants and are nothing more than just dream scenarios.

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only a Yankees fan would suggest that Shelley Duncan actually constitutes “value” in a trade. And that’s from a fan of the team with nothing at 1B (if Bowker is in the OF).

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 9, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus the Sox wouldn’t trade Swisher so quickly, considering the hit their farm team took from the trade to get him.

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by Natto on Jun 10, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The three-way trade is INSANELY STUPID.

Tabata is the only reason that the other trade looks remotely plausible, but given that we don’t really want Winn or Matsui, the trade is basically Tabata for Sanchez.

Would you trade Sanchez straight up for Tabata? Can Tabata play 3rd? I wouldn’t do it, even knowing that a position player is generally more valuable than a pitcher. I just think Sanchez’s value is higher. At one point, we were probably overhyping his value as a LHP with electric stuff whose FB was in the 90s.

Now, Sanchez is all that plus a 113 ERA+, a 3.70 ERA and 75/38 K/BB in 75 IP. At 25 years old and cheap. Now there’s the risk that he won’t keep it up, but that’s worth all but the best hitting prospects if you ask me.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 9, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

what is an 113 ERA? What does Santana, Webb, Halladay etc have?

by wilriv21 on Jun 9, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's ERA+ or adjusted ERA

It’s a handy stat for measuring ERA, it’s adjusted for league and park. A score > than 100 means that the pitcher is better than league average, > than 100 means worse than league average.

League leaders by ERA+

If you look up any pitcher on Baseball-Reference, there ERA+ is included in the statistics.

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Check it out:

Adjusted ERA+
Volquez-CIN 333
Lincecum-SFG 194
Webb-ARI 172
Sheets-MIL 161
Dempster-CHC 151

by xanthan on Jun 9, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

YW,

It’s useful, for me, to compare pitchers in a league. For instance, a pitcher with an ERA of 2.50 in Coors Field is a lot different than a pitcher with an ERA of 2.50 in Petco Park, ERA+ adjusts for that.

by xanthan on Jun 10, 2008 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

OT

Volquez…..WOW!
-So who won that trade? cant imagine either side is disappointed, but gun to your head, you gotta choose one side? I think you gotta say the Reds win the deal even though they gave up a potential MVP.

by sam23 on Jun 9, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say the Reds won because they knew they had Jay Bruce waiting to take a spot in the outfield, while the Rangers had….no one, really, to take Volquez’s spot in the rotation. The Rangers offense is incredible now (5.55 runs/game, half a run better than 2nd place Boston) but they’ve got to stop trading away pitching.

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by scotterduder on Jun 9, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with that

but really, can anybody remember the last time a trade worked out so extravagantly for both teams involved—particularly a trade that was, face it, relatively small print at the time. This is like what prospect mavens might have wanted to see from the Garza/Young deal. And Hamilton’s story is shaping up to be a career unlike anything I’ve seen in my lifetime, a slightly less fictionalized version of The Natural.

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by Roger on Jun 10, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those are bogus trade rumors...as for the original topic...

While I think we can all agree that it would be great for Sabean to get something for guys like Winn, Aurilia, Durham etc, I think it might also be unrealistic to expect for him to be able to trade them.

Sure they are performing right now, but they are also older, and in Durham’s case not producing in key situations. His splits with men on base are terrible. I can see us getting someone possibly decent for Winn, but as for Aurilia, Durham, Vizquel and Roberts, I really don’t seem them getting anything. Unless the Pirates want to pull another Matt Morris type of trade….but they seem to be heading in a new direction where they actually think before they make a move.

Now granted the market hasn’t really been set yet, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up at them being dealt, purely because of the money and age of the latter four. The off-season is a much more likely time for us to acquire people of talent, but that would require us trading away some of our pitching depth. Since luckily Durham, Aurilia and Vizquel will be gone after this year anyway. Hopefully whenever Roberts comes back he could play well enough to be dealt, since leadoff men with SB ability are always in demand at the deadline. Just look at how often Lofton has been traded.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 9, 2008 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I tried to read through all of this but I just couldn't

but I, for one, am certain that there is a team out there that wants “a package of Winn, Chulk, and Durham,” hell I bet there are three. In fact, I think Sabean should put together pre-made packages and entertain offers for them, rather than for individual players. If a GM calls about Chulk he would respond “Vinnie Chulk is now part of the Winn/Chulk/Durham package, what will you offer you this totally awesome package?”

Maybe somebody should put together a post complete with nonsensical use of capitalization where they suggest what players should go together to form these packages.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 9, 2008 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

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