People we could trade
So as long as we're 10 games or so under .500 at the all-star break, we will probably/hopefully be sellers at the trading deadline. If we do become sellers, we have several people we could trade to competitive teams for prospects. If we did trade all, or at least some of them, would it really help us that much? These are some of the people we can trade and how much I think they're worth:
Bengie: I think he's the best hitting catcher in baseball at the moment. Soto is cooling off somewhat, so I think that gives it to Bengie. Bengie's under contract through next year, so he wouldn't just be a cheap half-season rental to make a playoff push. He could help the next year, too. He's pretty damn good defensively, and he is among the best catchers when it comes to calling games. That also has to be worth something. I'd think he has to be worth at least 1 A level prospect, maybe another B level to go with if we sent somebody else with him.
Randy Winn: Not quite as valuable as Bengie, but he's still pretty good. He's batting around .300 right now and his OPS is over .800, so he has some value as a hitter. He would make a good #2 hitter. He's a decent fielder, so that helps too. He, like Bengie, is under contract through next year. However, he makes a shitload more money than he should, so if we were to trade him, we would have to pick up some of the salary to get a good value out of him. And he also has a no-trade clause that blocks trades to 10 teams, which I read in another thread include mostly the AL/NL Central teams. But if we traded him to an East Coast team and picked up some of his salary, I think he'd be worth a B level prospect, maybe a couple C level. And it would also open up RF for Schierholtz, who is tearing it up at Fresno right now.
Ray Durham: He was competing with Richie Sexson for the title of worst player of the year last year, but he seems to have figured it out again this year. He's batting a little over .300 after today's game, and his OPS is pretty close to .800, but his slugging percentage is a little low. If he keeps up at his current pace and stays at .300, he could also make a good #2 hitter. His contract also expires this year, so he'd be a cheap half-year rental. I'd think he'd be worth one C level prospect, which isn't anything signifigant, but it would open up 2nd for Denker, Burriss, and co.
Jack Taschner/Vinnie Chulk: Both are having good seasons out of the pen. Tasch has an ERA in the low 3's at the moment and Chulk has one close to 3.50. Chulk's contract was only one year, so he's a FA after this year. I have no idea how long we control Tasch for. But with Chulk as a cheap half season rental for an okay reliever, I'd guess he's worth about 1 C level prospect, and Tasch, if he agrees to not shave his awesome mustache, could be worth maaaaybe 2.
Keiichi Yabu: Yabu's having a stellar season so far. He has a 2.10 ERA. He is a good reliever and he can go for several innings if needed, so he could be used for long relief. He would help any bullpen. He would be a half-year rental, though, as his contract was only one year. But he also gets paid league minimum, so money wouldn't be a concern. If he keeps doing as good as he is now, I think he could be worth a B level prospect.
And that's pretty much all we have to offer. We could trade Sanchez or Correia, but I don't think they would wanna trade Sanchez and I don't think anyone would want Correia because he hasn't really played much this year because of his injury. We can't really match a Mark Teixeira trade, but with Molina could we at least come kinda close? And would it be worth it to trade Molina, or should we keep him to help our pitchers develop? And are our other players as valuable as I think they are?
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Everyone is tradable
Make any deal that makes this team better both today and for the long run.
by wilriv21 on Jun 8, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dude, do you think through these statements?
Make any deal that improves us now, while improving us in the long run? Do you want a pony as well?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 8, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m almost positive it’s a plastic rocket.
It’s been a while since I saw the movie, but I’m almost sure.
Also, Mario Kart Wii is really good. Wii Wheel not being totally stupid AND being functional FTW!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can haz Pony?
The first rule of Pony Trade Talk Club, is Don’t talk about Pony Trade Talk Club!
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by homerdrew415 on Jun 8, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if there's ONE person that I think HAS to be traded...
Dave Roberts. Even if they get nothing in return. And he’s the role player every team wants in their back pocket for a postseason run.
It’s easy to forget he’s still on the team.
It’s even easier to forget that at one point he’ll return from the DL, and on certain days push Fred Lewis back to the bench.
by ExcuseMeSwing on Jun 8, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about him
but he’d be pretty hard to trade. He hasn’t really played at all to this point in the season, so he would have absolutely no value. And he’ll more than likely get hurt again. And if we did somehow trade him, we’d have to eat a lot of his salary. So we really might as well just release him.
by boonitez on Jun 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, aren’t we glad we didn’t trade Ray for Richie Sexson now?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on Jun 8, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
I thought both players would bounce back, but I honestly thought Richie would bounce back more. Thus far I have been WAY wrong on that.
by sharksrog on Jun 8, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was a huge proponent of that trade talk during the off-season as well; If we can actually get something for Durham at the deadline or if we get a supplemental pick in next years draft once he leaves via FA that looks like a very good non-move by BS.
by Keenlow on Jun 8, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durham
If you think any team is going to risk losing a 1st day draft pick to sign Ray Durham, you’re a member of the same cannabis dispensary as I am
/Ray Durham and Barry Zito for Johan Santana & David Wright!~
//Slashies denote insanity in m. Giants fans 25-54!
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by homerdrew415 on Jun 8, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BS.
Ray Durham plays a solid second base and is very valuable to a contending team (St Louis) who has a whole at that position.
The guy can still hit. Teams that are in contention this year are going to be a lot less worried about losing the draft pick.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 8, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Ray Durham plays a solid second base”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Stop it, you’re killing me!
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 8, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But good OBP and contact #'s.
He is a lot better than, say, Adamn Kennedy.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 9, 2008 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really isn’t. But we can hope that some team sees it that way.
by Evan on Jun 9, 2008 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy used to be the poor man’s Mark Ellis—not quite the same glove, and an even weaker bat, but on balance an underrated asset in the middle infield. These days I am not so sure: his bat seems to have gone even further south, and he’s lost a step on the infield.
Durham, of course, is brutal with the glove, but if his bat really has come back, he might be the rough equal of the old Kennedy right now. I’d rather have Ellis than either, but Kennedy is starting to look like Feliz before he worked so hard on his defense. Except punchless, on top of everything. That’s not good.
by wcw on Jun 9, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about him too
but I don’t think he’d draw any interest. He’s been pretty crappy.
by boonitez on Jun 8, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aurilia
Aurilia is a vet with playoff experience, some power and lots of versatility. He will be “only” owed $1.5M on his contract by the deadline and would not be surprised if contenders were interested in Aurilia as a pinch-hitter and bench player.
by wilriv21 on Jun 8, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you get for him though?
i dont even think youd get a Denker or Pichardo
by slojoe on Jun 8, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If SF is going to make a playoff push then it is best to keep Aurilia. Especially if you do not think if you can get anything in return. If not going for playoff push then trade for a bag of peanuts and take the $1.5M in savings and use for player development, signing a young talent or on scouting.
by wilriv21 on Jun 8, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is this
playoff push talk coming from?
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 8, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is June 8th and the Giants trail by six games. The organization owes it to it players and fans to attempt to win the West.
by wilriv21 on Jun 8, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is June 8th and the Giants are 7 games under .500 and trailing a team that has a similar makeup (relying a lot on young players) with better talent.
This is insane.
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by groug on Jun 8, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s June 8th and the Giants buying Lucky Charms for their Green Clovers & Purple Horeshoes for Leprechaun appreciation day followed by a Hippie Jamfest on the field after a game against the Washington Generals!
/Emperor Norton in ‘08
//Re-elect Emperor Norton & Darren Daulton in 2012
///Slashies!
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by homerdrew415 on Jun 8, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s June 8th, and tonight we dine in Hell!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RALLY FRANK CHU!
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
by delorean on Jun 8, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Chu sigting at AT&T park
I was walking around the club level with my homeboy “Barista” from KNBR and low and behold, who walks up but Frank Chu. He even left his sign at home!
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by homerdrew415 on Jun 8, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me
I know what I’m going to be for Halloween
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 8, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thief!
If I see you I’m going to steal your sign…
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by homerdrew415 on Jun 8, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCovey Chronicles
Will be plastered on the back of my sign.
For the nominal fee of $100 a week
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 9, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then you'd better hope
that we cool off and Arizona heats up, because if we’re 3-5 games back at the deadline and selling everyone we can, a lot of casual fans are going to be going “WTF?”
by Viliphied on Jun 8, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Is Insane
Is Giving Up Now and making sure we have no hope to be the 2007 Rockies of 2008.
by giantsrainman on Jun 8, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but then we’d have to be the 2008 Rockies of 2009, and I’d rather have a good team.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants WILL NOT make the playoffs
Banked
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
by delorean on Jun 8, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thus they might want to become buyers if they are considering the playoff push.
by wilriv21 on Jun 8, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by you mean buys
they can find a way to get ML talent @ 1b, ss, and 3b – then sure.
But then we will just be back to suck next year.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 8, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, give them a couple weeks
they’ll get back to their losing ways
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Jun 9, 2008 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really enjoy what I'm seeing this year
Pitching has been good, we’ve actually scored more runs than I figured we would… I like that! I like seeing an exciting team that doesn’t leave me pulling out my hair or gouging out my eyes so I don’t have to watch them anymore.
I’m optimistic about this team!
But NO!!! DO NOT start making trades for rental players and guys that will probably end up being as impressive as Shea Hillenbrand or – dare I say? – AJP! I’d much prefer we restock the minors and hold on to some of the younger talent on this team that actually makes it worth watching (the Sanchezes, Bowkers, Lewises, and Burrisses of the team).
And I completely agree with delorean below. I guarantee that even if we swing a deadline trade, we WILL NOT make the playoffs. Just build for the future. We’ll be a better team next year without making a panic “playoff push” trade.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Jun 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd only be true if Lewis was spelled Lewus
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Jun 9, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, I realize now the plural of Sanchez would be Sancheez
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Jun 9, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While was arb eligible after his first year with the Giants, I don’t think anyone viewed getting AJP as a “rent-a-player”. I think they saw him as a cornerstone. It just didn’t work out that way.
2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!
by Goofus on Jun 9, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then they probably should sign Bonds.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 8, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unload Winn, Durham, Chulk, and Yabu
i dont really want to see Molina go unless they get a real good prospect….and Taschner
has his ERA down to 2.86 now, why trade him? he could be a decent reliever for quite a few
more years
by slojoe on Jun 8, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bengie Molina
will not bring in an A level prospect
waiting for 2011....
by Osama91w9 on Jun 8, 2008 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
eh, thats what i thought -
what exactly is an “A” level prospect? im guessing that Schierholtz would be a “B” level?
i dont think we have any “A” level in the upper minors
by slojoe on Jun 8, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Level would be Buster Posey, David Price, Cameron Maybin
Something that Benjie freaking Molina is nowhere near in value, unless his +.050 BABIP over his career norm this year is his new talent level (its not).
by iamawesomer on Jun 8, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might be to a team that needs a catcher/good hitter badly enough
The Braves forked over Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who was/is an A level prospect, Ron Mahay, and 5 other minor leaguers for Mark Teixeira. Not to say Bengie is worth anything close to Mark Teixeira, but I think he could be worth just a Jarrod Saltalamacchia type player to a team thats really that desperate and needs an upgrade badly enough at catcher.
by boonitez on Jun 8, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
You need to put down the vodka. Bengie’s in the middle of an unsustainable season and his “clock is ticking.” A large part of Teixeira’s appeal was that the braves would get first crack at extending him or a supplemental first rounder. No team is chomping at the bit to extend Molina past his existing contract, and he’s just as likely to take the arbitration offer as earn the new team a draft pick.
Also, Saltamachia was a bit of a special case. No way the Braves would have let him go if the didn’t already have McCann. There are certainly teams around with positional logjams, but few with two similarly elite young players at the same position, and fewer still with who fit that category and want Molina. Behind every big blockbuster is a set of unique conditions, there’s only 29 possible trade partners, and only a handful of them are going to be interested in what the Giants are selling; it’s a game of specific matchups.
Out of all the team within spiting distance of the playoffs, only the Brewers and Cardinals strike me as likely destinations. The Marlins could also use a catcher, their tight-fistedness is legendary (I was going to throw in the Yankees, but Posada just came off the DL). I’m a bit reticent to even include the Cards, they’ve long proven their willingness to accept an all-glove catcher. The Cards are also possessed of a barren farm system. I don’t know what the Brewers have to offer, but he Giants might not have the luxury of holding out for a great deal with the Brew Crew already 6.5 games out.
In summary: We can argue about what Malina is objectively worth, but where is the matchup? In the real world, he’s only worth what the most desperate team is willing and able to pay.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Jun 9, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Bengie is going anywhere
From listening to Sabean talk about the plans for Posey as well as just looking at the alternatives, I don’t think Bengie will be going anywhere.
He will be the starting catcher for this team through 2009.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 8, 2008 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
People we could trade
Starting rotation
* 16 Pat Misch
* 53 Jonathan Sánchez
* 75 Barry Zito
Bullpen
* 31 Vinnie Chulk
* 52 Alex Hinshaw
* 34 Billy Sadler
* 37 Jack Taschner
* 45 Tyler Walker
* 38 Brian Wilson (CL)
* 22 Keiichi Yabu
Catchers
* 20 Steve Holm
* 1 Bengie Molina
Infielders
* 35 Rich Aurilia
* 21 John Bowker
* 7 Emmanuel Burriss
* 12 José Castillo
* 28 Travis Denker
* 5 Ray Durham
* 13 Omar Vizquel
Outfielders
* 49 Brian Horwitz
* 14 Fred Lewis
* 33 Aaron Rowand
* 2 Randy Winn
by sprdelfin on Jun 8, 2008 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You really do a great job or running jokes into the ground. You must be the second most funny person in Russia after Yaakov Smirnoff.
Down in Front Meat!
by homerdrew415 on Jun 8, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Soviet Russia, jokes run you into ground
That’s still a hip/topical thing to do, right?
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jun 8, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still very cutting edge
Almost as hip as Ottoman Empire jokes.
All-Father Watch: 1.19 ERA, 6 saves, 0.92 WHIP, 30 Ks in 30 1/3 IP
by EliminateMe on Jun 8, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did Mehmed II say to Suleiman the Magnificent?
Nothing, because he was dead by the time Suleiman was born!
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by groug on Jun 8, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
/Saladin FTW!
//Gonna get this site into slashies if it kills me..
Down in Front Meat!
by homerdrew415 on Jun 8, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DNW any farking fark shiat here, thanks
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
by delorean on Jun 9, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s wrong with Fark? The message boards and user postings on articles are what make the site highly entertaining & constantly recognized as having the best or among the best online user communities. I’d take a farker over a deadspin reader anyday..
Down in Front Meat!
by homerdrew415 on Jun 9, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody have any ideas
some young players we could trade for? like AAA third basemen types? i’d like to look them up on baseball cube and pretend i know about them.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Jun 9, 2008 6:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Most of the good ones are in the NL West.
Proud adoptive parent of Tim Alderson.
by Anticon23 on Jun 9, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I still have dreams that we could somehow lift LaRoche from the Dodgers, but that probably isn’t likely. Ian Stewart would be serviceable while he’s cheap, but the Rockies might be willing to put up with him at 2B.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Jun 9, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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