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AAA: Fresno defeated Tacoma 6-2

Fresno: 2B Ivan Ochoa: 3 for 5, CS
Fresno: RF Nate Schierholtz: 1 for 4, HR, SO
Fresno: CF Clay Timpner: 2 for 4, 2B, GiDP
Tucson: 3B Matt Tuiasosopo: 2 for 5, HR, SO

Fresno: RHP Victor Santos: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 8 K--1 HR, 1 WP
Fresno: LHP Geno Espineli: 1.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 K

Ochoa had three singles to raise his AVG above .310.  Timpner was one of three other Grizzlies with multiple hits, but his 9th double of the year was one of just two XBHs for the Grizzlies.  The other was Schierholtz's 9th HR of the season, which he hit to lead off the 8th inning.  Tuiasosopo, whom was the Mariners' top draftee a few seasons ago, connected for his 1st HR of the year in his 170th AB.  That was the Rainiers' only XBH.

Santos, who is in his 14th professional season, has had a line of 1 ER in 6.0 IP in three of his last four starts, which has improved his ERA to 3.78.  The 8 K was his second highest total of the season.  He threw 99 pitches, 57 for strikes.  Espineli allowed a run to push his ERA back above 1.00.

AA: Connecticut lost to Trenton 9-8
(after allowing four runs in the 8th and 9th innings)

Connecticut: RF Ben Copeland: 2 for 3, 2 BB, 2 SB
Connecticut: 1B Travis Ishikawa: 1 for 3, HR, 2 BB, SO, SB
Connecticut: 3B Simon Klink: 1 for 4, HR, 3 SO
Trenton: RF Jose Tabata: 1 for 3, 2B, BB, SF, SO

Connecticut: LHP Paul Oseguera: 4.0+ IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 WP
Connecticut: RHP Dave McKae: 4.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K
Connecticut: RHP Josh Sharpless: 0.1 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB--1 IBB

Copeland reached base four times, improving his hitting line to .227/.324/.357.  He also improved his SB/CS line to 14/2.  Ishikawa reached base three times, although this game also snapped his five game streak with multiple hits, and he homered for the third consecutive game.  Over his last ten games he is 18 for 38 with 7 XBH and 7 BB.  He is not noted for his speed but does have a 8/4 SB/CS line this year after making no steal attempts a year ago.  Klink hit his 1st HR of the year, but the hat trick raised his SO/AB ratio above 33%.  I think that the Yankees' 19-year-old Tabata is the youngest player in the upper minors on an active roster.  He reached base twice and had his first XBH in the last ten games.  His season line remains just .240/.321/.289 in 204 AB.

Oseguera had allowed just 6 ER through his first four starts, so his fifth start of the year came close to doubling his earned run total, boosting his ERA to nearly 5.00.  He failed to retire any of the four batters he faced in the 5th inning.  McKae made his second relief appearance of the year and pitched effectively, but his ERA remains above 5.50.  Sharpless retired just one of the five batters he faced in the 9th inning.  His ERA rose to nearly 8.00 after his second straight appearance with 3 ER in 0.1 IP.

A+: San Jose lost to Visalia 4-2
(after allowing three runs in the 8th inning)

San Jose: 3B Ryan Rohlinger: 1 for 4, HR

San Jose: RHP Tim Alderson: 5.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--1 HR
San Jose: RHP Craig Whitaker: 1.0 IP, 1 BB, 2 K
San Jose: RHP Dan Griffin: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 1 K--1 WP, 1 IBB
Visalia: RHP Barry Enright: 8.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K

The Giants' offense was limited to three hits.  Rohlinger's HR with two outs in the 7th inning drove in both Giants runs and was their first hit of the game.

Alderson had his second straight start with just 1 ER, improving his ERA to 3.27 after a dozen starts.  His peripheral stats are now 60 H, 22 BB, 1 HR and 51 K in 63.1 IP.  He threw 85 pitches.  Whitaker remains very tough to hit recently, with just 2 H and 16 K over his last nine appearances.  Griffin was charged with three runs to take the loss, although all three runs scored after he left the game with two outs in the 8th inning.  He has a 2.57 ERA that has somehow translated into a 1-4 W-L record.  Enright, one of the D'backs top draft selections a year ago, had perhaps his best start of the season.  It was at least his longest start, and he faced the minimum through the first six innings (one batter reaching on an error before being caught stealing).  He has allowed just 2 ER over his past four starts to improve his ERA to 4.54.

A-: Augusta lost to Greenville 6-4
(after allowing four runs in the 8th inning)

Augusta: 2B Nick Noonan: 1 for 4, 2B
Augusta: SS Charlie Culberson: 2 for 3, SF
Greenville: RF Ryan Kalish: 3 for 4, CS
Greenville: SS Oscar Tejada: 2 for 4, 2 2B, SO, E

Augusta: LHP Madison Bumgarner: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--2 HR, 1 PO
Augusta: RHP Dan Turpen: 1.2 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
Greenville: LHP Jose Capellan: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K

The Giants' two high schoolers selected in the supplemental first round a year ago--Culberson was the only GreenJacket to reach base twice, with two singles raising his AVG to .184, and Noonan provided their only XBH, his 14th double of the season.  The Red Sox' 20-year-old Kalish, who began the year ranked among the top 100 prospect in baseball, had three hits to raise his AVG to .275.  The 18-year-old Tejada, who is also ranked among the Red Sox' top ten prospects, had his 4th and 5th doubles of the season.  He has basically down little more than hold his own in the SAL with an OPS barely above .550.

Bumgarner allowed the first two HRs of his pro career, but otherwise pitched very effectively over six innings.  The two solo HRs mean that he allowed as many earned runs in his first start in June as he allowed in entire month of May, which edged his ERA back up to 2.20.  Turpen allowed 4 ER in the 8th inning, his second inning of work, to balloon his ERA above 5.00.  Capellan made his first start of the 2008 season againt the organization which selected him in the Rule 5 draft during the off-season.

An updated look at my so-called Future Forty:
1. 1B Angel Villalona
2. RHP Timothy Alderson
3. LHP Madison Bumgarner
4. RHP Henry Sosa
5. 2B Nick Noonan
6. LF John Bowker
7. RF Nate Schierholtz
8. CF Wendell Fairley
9. SS Emmanuel Burriss
10. RHP Merkin Valdez
11. 2B Eugenio Velez
12. LHP Clayton Tanner
13. LHP Alex Hinshaw
14. C Pablo Sandoval
15. 2B Travis Denker
16. LHP Benjamin Snyder
17. RHP Billy Sadler
18. SS Brian Bocock
19. RHP Kelvin Pichardo
20. RHP Osiris Matos
21. RHP Wilbur Bucardo
22. LHP Paul Oseguera
23. LHP Erick Threets
24. LHP Jesse English
25. RHP Sergio Romo
26. LF Brian Horwitz
27. 1B Travis Ishikawa
28. 1B Thomas Neal
29. SS Charlie Culberson
30. RHP Brian Anderson
31. CF Clay Timpner
32. LF Eddy Martinez-Esteve
33. RHP Waldis Joaquin
34. CF Ben Copeland
35. RHP Adam Cowart
36. CF Michael McBryde
37. RHP Kevin Pucetas
38. C Adam Witter
39. 2B Matt Downs
40. RHP Nick Pereira

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Hey Steve, love the list and I know I’m nitpicking, but any reason why Alderson is above Bumgarner?

And Pablo doesn’t crack the top-10? Am I giving too much weight to his season this year?

by xanthan on Jun 6, 2008 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Bumgarner better, too

..though I generally like Steve’s lists.

Aside from that quibble, I don’t think I disagree again ‘til Fairley (whom I fear as a project the Giants just can’t develop) and Burriss (who I fear will never hit). Maybe I’d move English a little higher, Culberson a little lower, but fine distinctions outside the top few names are pretty unimportant.

by wcw on Jun 6, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d probably drop Velez to the lower-teens, maybe even the 20’s.

It’s a great list, though.

by xanthan on Jun 6, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alderson vs Bumgarner was an extremely close call for me. I think my gut wants to go for Bumgarner, but I went with Alderson for two reasons: (a) higher level and (b) a bit of conservatism to not change the ranking order to guard against overreacting to the recent past.

by steve S on Jun 6, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I really am not sure what to do with Pablo at this point. I guess I’d like to see him a higher level to better guage his hitting, but I also understand why he has not been promoted. In my mind, Pablo at #14 is probably closer to Fairley #8 than to Sadler at #17. That doesn’t make sense with a normal distribution but reflects my own uncertainty with the guys in the 6-15 range.

by steve S on Jun 6, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he has to move unless he starts hitting like April again

Barring April this year, he has been above-average against the Cal League since last June, but not pasting it in a way that suggests he needs to be promoted. A 21-year-old putting up nice, above-average lines in a hitter’s league where he’s working on his defense? Leave the kid be. If he were 23, or if were having a Jeff-Clement ZOMG-I-am-too-good-for-the-PCL year, I’d want to move him.

by wcw on Jun 6, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ishi

It’s really great to see Ishikawa turn things around. He’s showing some patience while dramatically cutting last year’s strike out rate and he’s hitting with some authority in a tough ballpark.

I’d be surprised if he ever fulfills that original promise, but I feel pretty good for him.

by KCE on Jun 6, 2008 9:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Checking the Defenders Box scores has become one of my look forward pleasures this summer because of his story. It makes some of the parent club senor scarp heavy melt downs almost bearable

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on Jun 6, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If, perchance, Travis has turned a corner and figured something out I wonder if we won’t come to regret the decisiont to bring him up in ‘06. Those 12 games are the reason he’ll have to break camp with SF next year or be exposed to waivers.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jun 6, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get the feeling we will regret the Burriss & Bocock mishandling this season as well.
There is always a league wide need for a competent fielding SS even if he is light hitting.

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on Jun 6, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TI

The kid continues to improve. Hopefully he will be in AAA soon and if he rakes there should receive some consideration for a ML call-up if help is needed at 1b. Let’s find out what this kid has so a determination can be made about his future. It would be a very pleasant surprise to find an in-house 1b solution.

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be pleasant

but Wil you’re consistently overenthusiastic on this issue. Let’s not forget he’s repeat-repeating the level, after having repeat-repeated-repeated the Cal League. And by and large he’s been bad everywhere. A good month in AA shouldn’t make us forget 5 years of history.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jun 6, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. True and True

Everything you wrote is true. All I am suggesting is that since he is improving and no one has taken 1b by the horns at Fresno or SF why not give the kid a look-see? He is out of options this winter and suggest it would be much easier to make a decision on TI based on some time at AAA or ML rather than his play at AA. Basically what I am saying is how would this suggestion retard the development of other players in the organization? Low risk with a possibility of a high reward. And at no cost.

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

now, I have been down on TI for a while..

..even though I loved the team’s initial signing (no-risk low-round high-upside selection paid a fair bonus), I was disappointed enough early on to be and remain pretty down on his potential. That said, his 2005 .282/.387/.532 year in the Cal League at age 21 was nice. Not great, especially for a 1B, but that’s above-average hitting against older competition. He’s ranged from bad to mediocre since, but calling him ‘bad everywhere’ is going too far the other way.

by wcw on Jun 6, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was a pretty decent season, but...

it’s just one of his 3 different appearances in the Cal League. I think you’d have to say his ‘07 stint in the Cal League at age 23 (78Ks in 198 ABs) was bad. And certainly his two appearances in the Sally were 1) disastrous (.206/.322/.278) and 2) pretty middling(.257/.340/.447 helped significantly by a hot final month); and his second season in the NWL (.254/.366/.391, K just about 1 in every 3 ABs) was also pretty terrible. Other than the age 21season in the Cal League you have to go back to his age 18 draft season performance in the AZL and NWL to find a genuinely good season.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jun 6, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no argument there

“I was disappointed enough early on to be and remain pretty down on his potential.”

But he hasn’t been uniformly bad. Just mostly mediocre. And the K rates.. whew.

by wcw on Jun 6, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to the SJ game last night

Both teams were pretty anemic offensively. Enright had a no-hitter going through 7+ innings, and the park was pretty excited about it (since it was in Visalia). It was odd, considering his stuff didn’t look overpowering or having that much movement.

Watching Alderson (the main reason I went) was impressive. He threw very well, and I was suprised to see his windup (which wasn’t much of a windup…looks like he’s still transitioning from the stretch in HS) had a little Rob Nen two-step going. I always loved that about Nen, so I was pleasently suprised to see Timmy 2.0 doing something like it. I was also sitting directly above the guy with the radar gun, and he was hitting low-90’s on his stuff, which was pretty electric. His breaking ball was pretty impressive as well—has a lot of break and buckled more than a few hitters.

Pablo Sandoval (who’s listed at a skimpy 245 lbs…gotta be more than that) is a behemoth of a man. He hit some balls very hard and worked some deep counts, looks like a professional hitter (whatever that means). He also threw out 3 of 4 steal attempts—he’s got a great arm with very good accuracy.

One last note…Rohlinger absolutely smoked that HR (which, btw, broke up the no-hitter). There was a very tall netting behind the fence in left and I’m pretty sure he hit it over the net.

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jun 6, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Report from Visalia

Alderson threw six balls to start the game and then seemed to settle down. His fastball was in the 88-91 MPH range according to one of the Little Giants that was charting the pitches. He had good movement on his off speed stuff, using it as his strike out pitch three times. He has a somewhat jerking motion out of the windup and seemed more comfortable pitching out of the stretch. I asked the Ltl’ Giant who was charting pitches about Alderson’s transition into using a windup after pitching out of the stretch in high school. His comment was that what he had heard (apparently they don’t talk much or you would think he would know first hand).

Pablo looked good behind the plate. He had one ball get by him – I thought it was a passed ball. He threw out 3 of 4 base stealers. His throws on the first two were right on the money and the third one had such a bad jump that his throw to the shortstop side of the bag was still in time. On the fourth runner there was no throw as the runner had a huge jump. Pablo actually looks thinner (if you can say that about him) than he appeared last year – but he is still a big fella. On his first at bat he must have fouled off 4 or 5 pitches and worked the count full before flying out.

Beside Rohlinger’s homerun, the hitting has not been impressive the past two nights. I see potential in Pablo, Ryan and Sharlon but the rest of the lineup does not appear headed above AAA as their ceiling.

Whitaker looked impressive in his one inning using some nice offspeed pitches to get his two strikeouts.

Griffin got the loss but the damage was done when Wilding came in with the bases loaded and gave up a three run triple.

Uleash you beat me to the post – I was probably sitting in front of you. I was in the second row to the left of home plate.

by APGiantsFan on Jun 6, 2008 9:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

section 200, row E, seat 5

was directly behind home plate but in the section above the fancy seats where the girls serve you during the game.

Yeah, and Wilding looked like he has one pitch, about a 90 mph fastball. No wonder they caught up to him.

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jun 6, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wilding

I was at the game last night as well, and I dont know what you were watching but wilding threw 1 fb the whole night. The triple was a hanging breaking ball in a 1-2 count which has been his bread and butter pitch the last 2 years in san jose. The knock on wilding is that he never throws a fb, but has a big league breaking ball… just thought i’d throw that out there

by giantsfan11 on Jun 6, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

my bad then

guess the dollar beers took their toll on me!

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jun 6, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Future Forty

Steve,

In an average draft year (not sure that last time that happened :o) for the giants, how many of the Forty picks would you expect to be replaced?

Lets say you’re on average drafting 50 guys and signing 40 from the #15 spot. Would you expect say 8 of those new picks (how every they fall in the 40) to push out the bottom 8?

by melottfan on Jun 6, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My rough rule of thumb would be that guys selected in the first five rounds would crack a top forty list.

by steve S on Jun 7, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pablo

Wonder what Pablo thought about the org taking Posey in the draft?

Nice way to show ‘em he’s still a force behind the dish with the 3/4 CS…

by aGIANTfan on Jun 6, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

English

I think I’d have him closer to the mid-teens at this point. If you were a GM would you really trade him for Bocock, Oseguera or Threets?

by mxmob33 on Jun 6, 2008 10:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

English is having an awesome year but he probably gets dinged some because of his health.

by xanthan on Jun 7, 2008 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oseguera and Threets certainly haven’t been pictures of health in their careers either.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jun 7, 2008 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely a fair comment. Maybe I am still too pessimistic based on his past lack of performance. If he continues to perform, he will continue to move up. Or just getting a good scouting report on him might move him a whole bunch too.

by steve S on Jun 7, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone commented the other day that the Giants calling up Ishikwa for a few games three seasons ago is the reason he is out of options. I don’t think I ever responded to that. I am pretty sure that is not the case as I believe he was already on the 40-man roster at the time he was called up, having been added the previous winter to protect him from the Rule 5 draft.

by steve S on Jun 7, 2008 5:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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