Draft IX: The Reckoning
The final installment of "Draft!" allows us to indulge in the grand internet tradition of ranking things.
Quick! Rank your top five Pink Floyd albums!
Even though the rest of the post will focus on the 2008 draft, there will still be a handful of folks who will ignore everything baseball-related to rush down to the comment box and follow that prompt. People like to rank things. Numbered lists...indentations...firm opinions...sweet mercy, that's good stuff...the impish and naughty mixing of the objective and subjective...mmmmm...I could go for an old-fashioned ranking right now....
Even better: The following ordered list is pulled almost entirely from my nether regions. With a few exceptions, yours probably will be too. Other than on a couple of grainy flash videos, I haven't seen Tim Beckham swing a bat. Hell, I wouldn't know the guy if he sneezed on me in a crowded elevator. But I'm still going to contrast and compare him with other amateur baseball players as if I know what I'm talking about. And if I start to sound like I do know what I'm talking about, don't forget that I'm one of the guys who wanted Kyle Drabek instead of Tim Lincecum. Really, I'm trying to get better at the whole scouting side of baseball analysis, but I'm still an absolute moron.
Now that I've filled you with confidence in my expertise, here's how my draft board looks:
1. Pedro Alvarez - He's a middle-of-the-order bat who could move quickly, and he should probably stick at third. That profile fits the Giants perfectly. It says a lot that scouts didn't blink when his post-injury performances were underwhelming. The Giants won't get the chance, but it's fun to dream.
2. Tim Beckham - He fits a "best player available"-philosophy and a "draft for need"-philosophy. He might be the most talented player in the draft, and he'd slot in perfectly with the Noonan/Villalona infield of the future.
3. Justin Smoak - He'd start for the Giants by the end of 2009. That might not be the best reason to draft him, but it is pretty compelling. His power separates him from Yonder Alonso.
4. Buster Posey - People are bringing up B.J. Surhoff comparisons as if they were worst-case scenarios. A Gold Glove catcher with an OPS+ of 100 is crazy valuable. Forget that Surhoff never won a Gold Glove, and forget that he was moved off the position by the age of 28. Also, forget that the Brewers passed on Barry Bonds, Will Clark, and Barry Larkin in order to take Surhoff. The comparison kind of stands. If Posey provides superior defense with a .290/.380/.430 line, the Giants won't regret the pick. And I'm in the minority that thinks Posey can provide 15+ homers.
5. Eric Hosmer - I love the swing. Love, love, love it. When his swing has eye boogers, I would gladly wipe them away with my thumb. True love, I'm talkin'. I don't care that he plays the same position as Villalona at a similar age. The Giants would figure something out, and there's a 40% chance that it wouldn't be a completely asinine decision.
At least one of those players will be waiting for the Giants. Quick rankings for the rest of the board:
6. Yonder Alonso
7. Gordon Beckham
8. Brian Matusz
9. Kyle Skipworth
10. Gerrit Cole (...don't ask me why. You won't get a straight answer. I just like watching his clips more than those of Crow, Scheppers, Melville, or Hunt.)
Here's how I think the first five picks actually will shake out:
1. Rays - Tim Beckham
2. Pirates - Pedro Alvarez
3. Royals - Eric Hosmer
4. Orioles - Justin Smoak
5. Giants - Buster Posey
Comment starter: Your top five hopefuls, followed by your mock draft.
Comment diffuser: The only correct choice for the top of the list is "Animals." If you had something else at the top, please confine your comments to baseball.
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BillyRiv Top 5
1. Eric Hosmer
2. Buster Posey
3. Brian Matusz
4. Pedro Alvarez
5. Yonder Alonso
by wilriv21 on Jun 4, 2008 1:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wendell Fairley
Does anyone know if Wendell Fairley is playing minor ball for the Gi Gis this year??? I can’t find his stats anywhere.
Thanks,
Mully
by mbmullin on Jun 4, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s been in extended spring training and will debut with the Salem-Keizer short season rookie team when their season gets underway in a few weeks.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 4, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks very much BVCE, appreciate it.
by mbmullin on Jun 4, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My draft board looks like this:
1. Pedro Alvarez – Arguably the best player in the draft, who fills a need perfectly. What’s not to like? Well, the fact that he’s going to be picked before he gets to us.
2. Justin Smoak – A switch hitting 1B who has power, i’d certainly be happy if we chose him.
3. Tim Beckham – Again, arguably the best players available, he also fits in well with our other talent in the low minors. I could swap him with Smoak easily, so would again be delighted if we got him. We won’t though as he’ll go before we pick.
4. Eric Hosmer – Possibly a step below the others, he’s got a nice swing & high potential, certainly a decent choice.
5. Kyle Skipworth – There may be questions over his catching ability, but he’s improved & may stay there. He doesn’t have the defence of Posey, but has much more potential with the bat. Possibly a riskier pick, but one with much bigger upside.
The other players i’d rank as:
6. Buster Posey – I’m not convinced that his bat is going to be special enough for him to have the upside i’d like, but a solid pick.
7. Brian Matusz – I’d rather we didn’t go for a pitcher, but at some point you have to go with the best player available.
8. Yonder Alonso – Questions over his power & athleticism make him drop compared to others. A good pick at #10, but not so much at #5
9. Aaron Crow – Again, you get to the point of BPA. There’s question marks over him, but high upside arms are always valuable.
10. Gordon Beckham – There’s just too many negatives on him to make me keen. The fact that he’s shot up the board on the basis of a good year, the suggestion that he’s probably going to have to move off SS & the fact that i don’t like his swing, makes me hope we stay away.
My mock draft is (actually the same as yours):
1. Rays – Tim Beckham
2. Pirates – Pedro Alvarez
3. Royals – Eric Hosmer
4. Orioles – Justin Smoak
5. Giants – Buster Posey
There are lots of unknowns though & i could see the Rays taking Posey, someone else taking Tim Beckham & us taking Gordon Beckham. I’d predict us to have Posey or Gordon Beckham by the end of tomorrow.
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by GiantFan on Jun 4, 2008 1:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm terrible at this stuff but whatever
My ranking:
1.Pedro Alvarez
2.Eric Hosmer – Best potential in the draft imo
3.Tim Beckham
4.Justin Smoak
5.Brian Matusz
My mock:
1. Rays – Tim Beckham
2. Pirates – Pedro Alvarez
3. Royals – Aaron Crow/Matusz – I have a feeling they go with a pitcher here
4. Orioles – Justin Smoak
5. Giants – Eric Hosmer
I really hope we don’t go the posey or G.Beckham route. I don’t think either are special enough players to be taken in the top 5.
by superk1ng on Jun 4, 2008 2:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 5
Tim Beckham
Eric Hosmer
Buster Posey
Pedro Alvarez
Gordon Beckham
1) Rays – Buster Posey – This is a timing thing I think – Posey is attractive because he is at a position of need for TB and its a team on the rise looking to complete the puzzle.
2) Pirates – Tim Beckham – Pirates will be scared away by price and Becks could excite the fans of the Steel City
3) Royals – Brian Matusz – The farm is a bit bare and this is a team desperate for pitching
4) Orioles – Pedro Alvarez – Peter Angelos will pay him
5) Giants – Brett Wallace – Lots of Giants scouts at the ASU Regional last week and many call him the best pure hitter in the draft with 2 straight Pac-10 POY’s in hand.
by JackoASU on Jun 4, 2008 2:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wallace
I’ve heard similar reports. Napa kid.
by seyheystretch on Jun 4, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I <3 LISTS!!!
1. Wish You Were Here
2. Animals
3. Dark Side of the Moon
4. The Wall
5. Meddle
/goes back to skim through draft-related portion of post
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 4, 2008 3:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MORE LISTS!!!
Faves:
1. T. Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Smoak
4. Hosmer
5. Alonzo
Predictions:
1. T. Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Hosmer
4. Matusz
5. Michael Tucker
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 4, 2008 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Made me laugh
Flaxseed oil dependent
by 3Com Park on Jun 5, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll subscribe to your newsletter.
Nice Animals acknowledgment, it’s probably my favorite Pink Floyd album and I think it’s often the most overlooked.
Meddle is a great album, too. Fearless is a great track.
by xanthan on Jun 4, 2008 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Fearless” is great, but I have a special place in my heart for “One Of These Days”, which was my go-to tune back when I was talking hallucinogenic drugs on a regular basis.
Animals is actually my favorite Floyd album as well, but I flip-flopped my top two just to annoy Grant.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 4, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Pink Floyd
1. Meat is Murder
2. The Smiths
3. The Queen is Dead
4. Strangeways…
5. Louder than Bombs (it does too count)
1. Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Matusz
4. Smoak
5. Hosmer
by Idaho Nick on Jun 4, 2008 5:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want :
1. Alvarez
2. Smoak
.
.
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3. T. Beckham
4. Posey
5. Alonso
I will get:
1. T. Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Hosmer
4. Matuz
5. Posey
Now to the important stuff:
1. Wish You Were Here, and it’s not even close to being close.
2. Dark Side of the Moon.
3. Animals. Only has one song I don’t love. But that song is over 11 minutes long, so…yeah.
4. The Wall. 7 good songs and an our of overproduced fillers.
5. Meddle. Only here thanks to Echoes.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jun 4, 2008 6:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve just noticed that all three of my lists are very similar to ones Josh posted. So I’ll go ahead and replace Meddle with Piper before I get sued.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jun 4, 2008 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pink Floyd= Syd Barrett
1) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn- (mono)
2) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn- (stereo)
3) Outtakes From Outer Space (bootleg)
4) Relics
5) A Saucerful of Secrets
After 1968, forget it.
Draft
1) Alvarez
2) T. Beckham
3) Posey
4) Smoak
5) Hosmer
Please, no G. Beckham.
by koel on Jun 4, 2008 6:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GO SYD BARRETT!
Can we count “Madcap Laughs,” just because?
Bengie: Like an Aurilia kidney stone, slow-moving and tough to get out.
by juanboy on Jun 4, 2008 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
..and a pony.
1. Piper, mono, blue-label Columbia or orange-label Tower (Mike Curb!)
2. Piper, stereo, blue-label Columbia or orange-label Tower
3. Tonite Lets All Make Love In London mini-LP (17-minute live Interstellar from original soundtrack)
4. The Madcap Laughs
5. Barrett
If your favorite Pink Floyd LP is not listed above, stick to baseball.
In re baseball:
1. go back in time, pick Heyward over Bumgarner
2. Posey (love the athleticism, think the bat can play)
3. Beckham the younger (ditto)
4. Beckham the elder (polished package)
5. Smoak (love the swing, hate the position)
No Alvarez for me, since scuttlebutt is that 2009 will be a weak class. Boras clients are for years in which the following draft is strong. If he doesn’t sign, the Giants get pick 5-A in 2009. If 2009 sucks, that’s not much of an inducement,
by wcw on Jun 4, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My list is also Barrett-centric:
1. Piper at the Gates of Dawn
2-5. whatever.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 4, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Pink Floyd actually made a decent album once? Are you sure? I’ll have to check that out.
1. Beckham
2. Skipworth (fear of HS catchers is just superstition)
3. Smoak
4. Alvarez (all the strikeouts make me a little leery)
5. Posey
Gordon Beckham is definitely the hardest player to figure. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him turn out to be the best player in the draft. But I have two big reservations: One, the Cape Cod League and the NCAA season together amount to little more than half a big league season, and it’s just too easy for anyone to play over his head for half a season. Two, it’s clear that even if he is able to stay at shortstop, he’ll never be a particularly good one. Given the other choices on the board, that’s enough to knock him off my list.
Hosmer … Of course it’s silly to let our hopes for Villalona prevent us from taking a first baseman, but do we really need two teenage first basemen? College players are safer picks. If I’m going to speculate on a high-school player, I want it to be one who has a shot at helping out on defense as well.
I think it’ll go Beckham/Alvarez/Posey/Matusz and we’ll take Smoak.
by Evan on Jun 4, 2008 6:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll echo your sentiments about G. Beckham. He actually reminds me of Evan Longoria (based on pure gut instinct) and I wouldn’t be too disappointed if the G’s take him. My wishboard:
1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Justin Smoak
3. Tim Beckham
4. Eric Hosmer
5. G. Beckham
I’m not a big fan of Posey.
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by RougeGorrila on Jun 4, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I’ll echo your sentiments about Floyd (post-Barett, at least).
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.
by delorean on Jun 4, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy
1. Hotel California
2. One of These Nights
3. The Long Run
4. Desperado
5. Hell Freezes Over
What? Pink Floyd? Never heard of them.
My draft board is as follows:
1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Justin Smoak
3. Gordon Beckham
4. Buster Posey
5. Eric Hosmer
6. Brian Matusz
7. Tim Beckham
8. Tim Melville
9. Tanner Scheppers
10. Brett Wallace
How I predict the real draft will go:
1. Tampa Bay – Tim Melville, SS (Rays buy the hype, can afford to wait on his development, assuming it really happens). I could also see a pitcher here, maybe Cole or Melville.
2. Pittsburgh – Pedro Alvarez, 3B (new GM Neal Huntington shows he’s his own man, defies slot, gives out a big contract).
3. Kansas City – Buster Posey, C (they don’t need 1B/3B so much; Posey’s all-around skills impress a team that needs a catcher and needs skilled players; but I wouldn’t be shocked if they took Aaron Crow).
4. Baltimore – Brian Matusz, SP (having taken the two players I most wanted in the last two drafts – Billy Rowell and Matt Wieters, both hitters – Orioles would be wise to grab a top pitcher).
5. San Francisco – Justin Smoak, 1B (duh. I love Gordon Beckham, but Smoak would be the correct choice here, assuming it shakes out this way).
6. Florida – Eric Hosmer, 1B. A top pitcher might be a better choice for them, but I think they can’t overlook the potential to replace Mike Jacobs.
7. Cincinnati – Casey Kelly, P/SS. I think the rumors are true.
37. San Francisco – Daniel Webb, SP (Heath HS, KY). Just a wild guess.
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
by Lyle on Jun 4, 2008 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on man, Its been a rough nite....
and I hate the fucking Eagles
by Angry Dwarf on Jun 4, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Five
1. P. Alvarez
2. T. Beckham
3. J. Smoak
4. E. Hosmer
5. B. Posey
My Mock
1. B. Posey
2. P. Alvarez
3. B. Matusz
4. T. Beckham
5. J. Smoak
by xanthan on Jun 4, 2008 7:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Je voudrais Justin Smoak.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 4, 2008 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak pour la victoire!
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
by Lyle on Jun 4, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Avec Smoak, il faut battre le fer quand il est chaud.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 4, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
J'aime Smoak. Il est en feu.
Bengie: Like an Aurilia kidney stone, slow-moving and tough to get out.
by juanboy on Jun 4, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O vraiment?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 4, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this French? do you guys not love America?
by tyrannoman on Jun 4, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m Mexican AND I speak French. I’m the government’s worst nightmare.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 4, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 5
1. Alvarez
2. Smoak
3. T Beckham
4. Posey
5. Hosmer
waiting for 2011....
by Osama91w9 on Jun 4, 2008 7:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fave Five
1. Pedro Alvarez – think he can’t stick at 3rd Base? You get the gaassss face.
2. Justin Smoak – my very first fanpost was near the end of last season when I pleaded we start a campaign to get Smoak, if only for the punability. Me want him at #5, pretty please.
3. Tim Beckham – thoughts of Royce Clayton do come to mind, but Royce was never considered the elite talent of his class.
4. Eric Hosmer – sweet swinging 1B. I’ll take a few of those.
5. Kyle Skipworth – not sure if he’s better than Posey, but it seems like Skipworth is the more solid defensive choice. I heard that’s important for his position, and just in case Pablito can’t stick at catcher.
Rest:
6. Buster Posey – catchers are always a tradeable commodity
7. Brian Matusz – karma says that he would compensate for Zito.
8. Aaron Crow – we do pitching good
How I think I’ll play out:
Worst case scenario (nightmare)
1. Rays – Beckham
2. Pirates – Alvarez
3. Royals – Hosmer
4. Orioles – Smoak
5. Giants – Skipworth, Posey, or Matusz
Best realistic case scenario:
1. Rays – Beckham or Alvarez
2. Pirates – Alvarez or Beckham
3. Royals – Hosmer
4. Orioles – Matusz
5. Giants – Smoak
Uribe to Thompson to Clark: Don't tinker ever with chance
by tellusfrank on Jun 4, 2008 7:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Animals
Wish You Were Here
The Wall
Meddle
Dark Side of the Moon
by WTF on Jun 4, 2008 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Big man, Pig Man
Wish You Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
The Wall
Ummagumma
Momentary Lapse in Reason
I’m just not a fan of 12 minute songs with long intros and bridges that could just as easily have been condensed into 4 minute songs without losing anything so I’m not a big fan of Animals
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
by Trenchtown on Jun 4, 2008 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And by the way, which one's Pink?
1. P. Alvarez
2. T. Beckham
3. B. Posey
4. E. Hosmer
5. J. Smoak
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 4, 2008 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1. Obscured by Clouds
2. Animals
3. Darkside of the Moon
4. Ummagumma
5. Atom Heart Mother
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Jun 4, 2008 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1984 nba draft
1. jordan
2. olajuwon
3. barkley
4. stockton
5. then bowie
duh
i give up on adoption, im going back to trying the real way
by Headhunter Rollins on Jun 4, 2008 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My Board:
1) Tim Beckham
2) Pedro Alvarez
3) Buster Posey
4) Justin Smoak
5) Eric Hosmer
The Draft:
1) Rays: Brian Matusz
2) Pirates: Tim Beckham
3) Royals: Pedro Alvarez
4) Orioles: Justin Smoak
5) Giants: Buster Posey
by Scottsdale on Jun 4, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Predictions: Giants don’t take any of Smoak/Alvarez/Beckham/Posey/Hosman/Matusz.
Best pink floyd album is actually a cover – Luther Wright and The Wrongs: Rebuild the Wall.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Jun 4, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that If T Beckham, Alvarez, Smoak and Hosmer are all taken in the top 4, then I expect the Giants to select Brett Wallace at 5 keep him at 3B. Maybe flip him and Villalona to see who is the better fielder and go that route on who sticks at the hot corner.
MY top picks:
Alvarez
Smoak
Hosmer
TBeckham
Wallace
Matusz
Posey
Crow
How I expect it to go:
1. TB – Beckham
2. PIT – Alvarez
3. KC – Posey
4. BAL – Hosmer
5. SF – Smoak
by krukkuipandclint on Jun 4, 2008 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My draft board:
1. Pedro Alvarez (seemingly impossible)
2. Justin Smoak
3. Tim Beckham
4. Eric Hosmer
5. Buster Posey
My mock, #1-10:
1. Tampa Bay- Buster Posey, C
2. Pittsburgh- Pedro Alvarez, 3B
3. Kansas City- Tim Beckham, SS
4. Baltimore- Brian Matusz, LHP
5. San Francisco- Justin Smoak, 1B
6. Florida- Kyle Skipworth, C
7. Cincinnati- Aaron Crow, RHP
8. Chicago (AL)- Gordon Beckham, SS
9. Washington- Eric Hosmer, 1B
10.Houston- Shooter Hunt, RHP
Proud adoptive parent of Tim Alderson.
by Anticon23 on Jun 4, 2008 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoak gets in my eye, as well, J.
To get Alvarez, maybe I can impersonate Scott Boras. I’ll call the 4 teams ahead of the Giants today and ask for some ridiculous deal involving a $10MM and 10% in team ownership as a signing bonus for Pedro. When the draft rolls in tomorrow, those 4 teams will tell the real Boras to |=uck off and, viola, Alvarez to the Giants.
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 4, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t that Baseball America’s proposed list?
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by Lyle on Jun 4, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's List
1. Tampa Bay- Tim Beckham
2. Pittsburgh- Pedro Alvarez
3. Kansas City- Buster Posey
4. Baltimore- Brian Matusz
5. San Francisco- Justin Smoak
6. Florida- Kyle Skipworth
7. Cincinnati- Aaron Crow
8. Chicago (AL)- Gordon Beckham
9. Washington- Yonder Alonso
10. Houston- Shooter Hunt
Pretty similar, for the most part.
Proud adoptive parent of Tim Alderson.
by Anticon23 on Jun 4, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Blood and Chocolate
2. King of America
3. This Year’s Model
4. Imperial Bedroom
5. Get Happy!!
by Duelling Brandos on Jun 4, 2008 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now we’re getting somewhere. Trust needs to slot in at number four, though.
by Evan on Jun 4, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whuh?
How can you leave off My Aim Is True?
by taliesin on Jun 4, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He started an Elvis list with Blood & Chocolate
I think any “how” or “why” questions are pretty much answered right then and there.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 5, 2008 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to have Armed Forces on there.
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by groug on Jun 4, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Board:
1. Buster Posey
2. Tim Beckham
3. Justin Smoak
4. Eric Hosmer
5. Pedro Alvarez
Rounding out the top 10: Crow, Matusz, Gordon Beckham, Yonder Alonso, Kyle Skipworth
Special mentioning for the 11-15 range: Brett Wallace, Bay Area product
Mock:
1. Posey (I mean, Dioner Navarro doesn’t look bad [small sample size, i know] but the Rays front office is smart enough to know that Navarro’s far from a sure thing. Plus they could just turn around a deal one of them if Navarro pans out)
2. Alvarez
3. Hosmer
4. T. Beckham
5. Smoak
by baetown415 on Jun 4, 2008 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised there’s so much agreement in the McCovey draft boards. My preference goes something like:
1.) Tim Beckham.
2.) Pedro Alvarez.
3.) Buster Posey
4.) Justin Smoak
5.) Eric Hosmer.
In the next tier, I’d have Kyle Skipworth, Yonder Alonso, Gordon Beckham and Brian Matusz.
I’ll go ahead and predict we take Smoak.
by Dan from NM on Jun 4, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't the Giants
sign Matt Morris, then trade him for a PTBNL, and have that player be Pedro Alverez? Oh, wait. Littlefield is gone, huh. Damn.
by tyrannoman on Jun 4, 2008 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my 5
1. Tim Beckham
2. Pedro Alvarez
3. Eric Hosmer
4. Brian Matusz
5. Justin Smoak
by Rubber Soul on Jun 4, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My Rankings:
1) Alvarez—Not a prayer, but he would be perfect. Best mix of upside, quick path to the majors, and a premium defensive position where the Giants have, oh, about zero prospects for the immediate future.
2) T. Beckham—We’d have to wait a while, but if he reaches his potential eventually, o one would blame the Giants for making that sacrifice for a couple of years.
3) Smoak—No complaints here. He’d be a solid, solid pick.
4) Hosmer—Okay, I’ll admit it, I’ve become entranced by that swing too.
5) G. Beckham—I can’t believe I’m doing this. I’ve called him “maybe David Eckstein with a little more power” on this very site. But I took a closer look and, well, I’m intrigued. It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to take a shot at a shortstop who could maybe be an all star but probably wouldn’t be any worse than a solid starter.
Others:
6) Buster Posey, FSU
7) Brian Matusz, San Diego
8) Yonder Alonso, Miami
9) Aaron Crow, Missouri
10) Brett Wallace, ASU
2 Scenarios (because I’m really conflicted over who I think the Rays will choose):
A:
1) Posey
2) T. Beckham
3) Alvarez
4) Matusz
5) Smoak
B:
1) T. Beckham
2) Alvarez
3) Smoak
4) Matusz
5) G. Beckham
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 4, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1. P. Manning
2. D. Wade
3. S. Crosby
4. L. Tomlinson
5. B. Bonds
Damn those internet advertisements…
by Ed Jew on Jun 4, 2008 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1. T. Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Posey
4. Matusz
5. Smoak
I don’t think any of the other teams above us would take Smoak, so I think he’d be available for us. We might not take him, but I hope we do. But Posey, Alvarez, and Tim Beckham are supposed to be the elite prospects of the draft class, so I can’t see Posey falling all the way down to us. If the Rays were considering him at one point with the 1st pick, there’s no way he’ll make it to the 5th. And I also think either the O’s or the Royals would take a pitcher, seeing as they both need pitching rather badly. But if they do take Smoak, I’d be fine with Hosmer. I just want to see them take a power hitter that makes a real difference in the lineup. Gordon Beckham won’t provide that. His upside is just a good hitting shortstop, which would be helpful, but not to the extent of a guy that hits 20+ homers.
by boonitez on Jun 4, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Simply put, I want a 1B who can hit and hit for power, ML ready in 2 years or so. Alvarez, Smoak, Alonso (?) would satisfy that. If the Giants went with the best player available scenario and landed Tim Beckham or Buster Posey, I’d be less enthusiastic but really can’t go wrong there.
As for the order of the Phoenix as well as the order of the top five picks, I’m expecting Posey, Alvarez, T Beckham, Matusz, and Smoak.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 4, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My top 5:
1. Alvarez
2. Tim Beckham
3. Smoak
4. Gordon Beckham
5. Posey
Bonus 6th guy that we could slightly overdraft and look like geniuses in 5 years: Wallace
How I think it will go:
1. Posey (really a coin flip between him and T. Becks)
2. Alvarez (Baseball America says they are almost certain to pick him)
3. Hosmer
4. Tim Beckham (we’ll be watching ESPN2 begging them to take Matusz only to have them disappoint us)
5. Justin Smoak (and please, no bitching about it)
My top 3 for pick #37
1. Reese Havens (unless we get T. Becks)
2. Connor Gillaspie
3. James Darnell
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 4, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 5
My Top Five
1.Pedro Alvarez – stats might be down but I like his swing even better than Hosmers. And he sticks at third.
2.Justin Smoak – Great power projections and will be starting for us next year. Solid, Too solid.
3.Tim Beckham – I have seen him swing. A lot. His bat projects well but it is really, really far away from even approaching major league ready. He strides too far forward, losing some of his power, and his pitch recognition doesn’t blow me away yet. He could be great, but given the Giants track record of developing hitters, I think he might fail in our system.
4.Hosmer – Great swing. Great power already. Check out some of his home runs on youtube. Sick. And his arm and athleticism make him a possibility for a move to outfielder which would solve the Angel problem.
5.Posey – First of all, I read above that someone thought Skipworth was better defensively. That’s very far off. Despite the fact that Posey only started playing catcher his sophomore year in college, he’s amazing defensively, with a cannon for an arm. I think his bat projects in the 15 to 20 home run category. For some reason, though, he just doesn’t feel special enough for a top five pick.
How it will go:
1. Posey – He’s good enough to them and he fits the organizational need situation.
2. Alvarez – as much as I hope to God he falls, its just not going to happen.
3. Tim Beckham – they won’t draft a pitcher, even though they may need one. Beckham’s projections are enough for them.
4. Matusz – they need a pitcher to potentially replace Bedard. He makes the most sense here.
5. Justin Smoak – I’d be fine with either Smoak or Hosmer here but I’d prefer Smoak because our lineup needs a young hitter ASAP. I gaurentee Smoak starts by this time next year if we draft him
by mr.baseball on Jun 4, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 5
TB- T. Beckham
Pitt- P. Alverez
KC- B. Posey
Balt.- B. Matusz
SF- J. Smoak
THE REAL TOP 5
Moondance
Days Like This
Dancing In The Moonlight
Cleaning Windows
Gloria
by ACgiant97 on Jun 4, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1)ummagumma!
2)everything else!
careful with that axe eugene!
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Jun 4, 2008 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Personal top 5
1. Alvarez
2. Smoak
3. Hoesmer
4. T Beck
5. Posey
if we touch/ take g beck im going to freak out and lose all hope why draft a liability at ss who should hit .275 15-20 and might not even be a ss? so angry!! hahah heres my actual moc
1. Ray’s Posey
2. Pit Alvarez
3. KC Posey
4. Bal T Beck
5. so tough but i’m thinkin…...SMOAK!!
5. H
by caincecum on Jun 4, 2008 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
two different teams are both going to draft Posey?
it will be nice for him to get two signing bonus checks.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 4, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
at 37 were takin Wendell Fairley # 2 in Destin Hood
by caincecum on Jun 4, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All I know, is that as a fan of this team I’m ready for the disappointment tomorrow.
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by ChrisHero on Jun 4, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last minute projection...
But perhaps not my last, last minute projection:
My wish list:
1) Justin Smoak (advanced college bat, Gold Glove potential, switch hitter, little to no weakness as a hitter, outside chance to shift to LF)
2) Eric Hosmer (thought by Callis and perhaps others to have even more offensive potential than Smoak, good defensive potential with even better chance to move to OF than Smoak. Only reason Smoak comes out ahead is his proven success at a higher level of competition.)
3) Pedro Alvarez (was my #1 until I read an interesting study by Lincoln Hamilton of Project Prospect. In short, the strikeouts are a big red flag. Perhaps Alvarez is a singular talent that can overcome the scary historical failure of big strikeout guys in college. Alvarez otherwise has some positional flexiblilty as a plus, as well as a high energy approach to the game that would fit in well with the Giants’ gamers.
4) Tim Beckham (he’s all about the tools, and that both works for him and against him. Right now his is a bit more of a project given his long distance from the major and the fact that he doesn’t have one outstanding “fail-safe” tool that is a given except perhaps his speed. Hosmer, on the other hand has a tremendous power-hitter’s swing as his “fail-safe” tool.
5) Buster Posey (he plays a premium position very well, will be better offensively than many catchers in the majors, and has a terrific makeup. I’m just not sure if he has played above his head this year and if his bat will justify being a #5).
How I think the draft will go:
1. TB – T. Beckham
2. Pit – Alvarez
3. KC – Hosmer
4. Bal – Matusz
5. SF – Bustin Smoser, ok, ok… I think if it comes down to it, the Giants go with Posey, and he will have a nice Biggio-like career, eventually moving off catcher to preserve his health and prolong his productivity
by baseballjunkie on Jun 4, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Nice Biggio-like career..."
so you’re saying he’ll go to the Hall of Fame, but we won’t be overly impressed about it?
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 4, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Tim Beckham
3. Justin Smoak
4. Eric Hosmer
5. Gordon Beckham-will be the best shortstop not named Hanley Ramirez in a few years
1. Singles Going Steady
2. A Different Kind of Tension
3. Another Music In a Different Kitchen
4. Time’s Up
5. Flat Pack Philosophy
That would be your Buzzcocks.
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by rxmeister on Jun 4, 2008 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Buzzcocks = best. But surely a singles list is more appropriate?
1. I Don’t Mind
2. Everybody’s Happy Nowadays
3. Orgasm Addict
4. Noise Annoys
5. Ever Fallen in Love
Also, Hanley Ramirez will not be a shortstop in a few years.
by Evan on Jun 4, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, the best LP band in the world is the Fall..
..so we already know this started off on the wrong foot.
Were the Buzzcocks the best singles band? I don’t agree - I’d probably go with someone on Motown - but that’s a pretty good list. I think the Buzzcocks were an underrated LP band, and that anyone with a heart should own them all. But then I have a garage full of vinyl, so I’m a bad one from whom to get advice.
Or how about my favorite, 5 random singles you should own, but don’t.
1. Solomon Burke, “Sidewalks, Fences and Walls”
2. Boyracer, “I’ve Got It And It’s Not Worth Having”
3. Choir, “It’s Cold Outside”
4. Crispy Ambulance, “Live On A Hot August Night”
5. Doris Duke, “Feet Start Walking”
These really are random; this list could go into the hundreds.
And anyone who gets the connection between #1 and #5 without looking it up gets a pony.
by wcw on Jun 4, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't even know from trippin'
1) Dozin’ at the Knick
2) Truckin’ off to Buffalo
3) Backstage Pass
4) So Many Roads
5) Workingman’s Dead
by achiappanza on Jun 4, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well it's about flippin' time
1. 12/31/71
2. 11/8/70
3. 6/9/77
4. 7/13/84
5. 11/11/73
Twenty-seven years of waiting has come to an end.
by trapper on Jun 4, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice
All things considered, though, after 11/2 – 11/3/84 my seat on the bus was permanently booked.
by achiappanza on Jun 5, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what anyone’s talking about anymore.
by Natto on Jun 4, 2008 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m always lost when we’re not talking about Bea Arthur.
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by groug on Jun 4, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re not the only one… sigh….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
who cares about pink floyd? can u a least leave ur baseball related thoughts?
by caincecum on Jun 4, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#1
Word from on high is that the Rays are likely to take T. Beckham because of Posey’s money demands
As such, I will say that this is how it goes:
1. T. Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Hosmer
4. Matusz
5. Smoak
$11m for Posey is just too much
by BigO on Jun 4, 2008 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. $12 million? I wasn’t a big fan of Posey before, and now I really don’t want him.
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by Anticon23 on Jun 4, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a shame, i’m hoping the Rays take Posey so we get the trickle down effect of others more likely to be available to us.
With regards to his bonus demands, $12M is completely ridiculous, i understand that you want to start high in negotiations, but there’s no way he’s worth that much!
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by GiantFan on Jun 4, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which...
Rays mum on who will be No. 1 pick
They’re not tipping their hand, although it wouldn’t really matter much since they get the first pick anyway. It’d just make the surprise more fun.
by Natto on Jun 4, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Board
My preference:
1. Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Smoak
4. Alonso
5. Wallace
I don’t have Posey in there as I’m definitely in the camp where he doesn’t realize his power potential, making him a glorified Brad Ausmus as a major leaguer. Thanks, but no thanks.
Wallace is a heck of a hitter with a great eye. He’s moving up boards for a reason.
My good buddy is a used to cover college baseball and has writeups on all the potential Giants picks over on my blog, to all those who can’t satiate their draft appetites.
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by shn155 on Jun 4, 2008 9:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My preference:
1. Alvarez
2. T. Beckham
3. Smoak
4. Hosmer
5. Posey
Mock
1. Posey
2. Alvarez
3. Smoak
4. Matusz
5. T. Beckham
Brett Pill - Lord of the double.
by malarky on Jun 4, 2008 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My mock
My preference:
1) Alvarez
2) T Beckham
3) Posey
4) Smoak
5) Hosmer
Reality:
1) T Beckham
2) Alvarez
3) Posey
4) Matusz
5) Smoak
6) Skipworth
7) G Beckham
8) Alonso
9) Crow
10) Hunt
Go Durham, Roberts, Aurilia, Vizquel, Winn, Lowry! The better you do, the quicker we can trade you!
by NeifiChicken on Jun 5, 2008 1:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, this won't surprise anyone....
My preferences:
1) Alvarez (Duh!)
2) Justin Smoak (Duh!)
3) Gordon Beckham (Yes, really)
4) Tim Beckham
5) Brian Matusz
I doubt the top two need explanation. Gordon has jumped up my draft boards right now. He doesn’t have the same power, and sure his swing is unusual….but so is Lincecum’s. I could see him moving to third, which is not a bad thing at all. His arm is big enough to play there. That really has me liking his total package. Throw in that he’s a college hitter, and there you go.
Tim Beckham…well, the fact he’s a high school middle infielder, after the Giants took two last year, make me just a little hesitant. It won’t matter anyway, as he won’t be there at #5. With Matusz, he’s simply an awesomely polished pitcher who could move up fast and be an excellent starter in any rotation, even ours.
Hosmer is an excellent player, but is just too much of an anti-need pick. He’s less than 10-months older than AnVil. With Skipworth, well, he’s also an excellent player, but I’m leaning towards a college sure thing rather than a high school ceiling guy.
Posey? Screw him and his dozen-million reasons to pass on him. He wasn’t a good #5 pick before, now he’s a terrible one.
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by BruteSentiment on Jun 5, 2008 1:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankly I don’t really have a pony in this race. It seems pretty clear we’ll get someone out of the group of Alvarez, Posey, Beckham, Beckham, Smoak, Hosmer, or Skipworth (because, duh, that’s more than 5 names) and I’m happy with any of them. They each have their pluses and minuses, but they all seem to have separated themselves from the rest of the draft. Now if our FO departs from that board, I’ll probably start taking some pretty serious issues with things. But I’m perfectly prepared to be a big fan of anybody in that Gang of 7. In other words, I like up the middle athletes and corner bangers equally and would love to have either of the two in our future.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 5, 2008 7:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My preferences:
1. Tim Beckham
2. Posey
3. Smoak
4. Hosmer
5. Alvarez
How it will go:
1. Tim Beckham
2. Alvarez
3. Hosmer
4. Matusz
5. Posey
Flaxseed oil dependent
by 3Com Park on Jun 5, 2008 7:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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