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The Lurking Veteran

Before the season started, we had some kind of indication that the offense would be bad. That's still true, even though it’s much, much better than expected. Heck, almost every non-shortstop is a league-average hitter. We also had some kind of indication that the young pitching would determine if a sub-.500 season would be considered a "success." That's still the cases, and the fine pitching of Jonathan Sanchez has made the expected success even successier. The season has gone as we expected, more or less. We are who we thought we were.

So there weren’t too many sabers to rattle in the winter or spring. There was only the redundancy of Dave Roberts. The crusade started here, and the theme was repeated ad nauseum after that. In an organization with two veteran starting-quality outfielders and two outfield prospects with nothing left to prove in the minors, the last thing the team needed was a non-starting-quality veteran outfielder to gobble up at-bats.

The crusade was postponed, however, when Dave Roberts was injured. Note that this was never something I wished for – it’s beyond ghoulish to hope a player gets injured – but it sure was the simplest solution. Roberts went down, which forced Fred Lewis to get the bulk of the at-bats in left field. Lewis has been a league-average left fielder, and it sure seems like there’s room for improvement in his game. With the emergence of Lewis, the Giants have one less roster spot to worry about when trying to put together a winning team for the future.

Roberts is about to start a minor-league rehab assignment. He’ll be back soon, and this will present the biggest test of Bruce Bochy’s Giants career. With the other veteran v. whippersnapper debates, Bochy could always hide behind the "we’re trying to win ballgames"-argument. As in, yeah, I could get Bowker some at-bats against lefties, but Rich Aurilia is probably the better hitter against lefties, so I’ll start Aurilia in those situations. He really believed that, and, heck, he’s been right for the most part. Ray Durham, Rich Aurilia, and Randy Winn have been assets to the 2008 Giants.

With Lewis and Roberts, though, things are easy:

  • Fred Lewis is currently hitting better than Roberts has ever hit in his career.
  • Fred Lewis is a left-handed hitter. Roberts is too. There is no reason to sit one in favor of the other because of platoon considerations.
  • Fred Lewis is part of the Giants’ future, and Roberts isn’t.

Poof. Self-created problem solved in three bulletpoints. Roberts deserves the same amount of playing time that Brian Horwitz has received. Fourth- or fifth-outfielder at-bats, at best. It makes sense in the present, and it makes sense for the future.

So let’s see how deep Bruce Bochy’s veteran appreciation runs. Will he split time evenly between Lewis and Roberts? Or has Roberts been pipped past the point of no return, even by Giant-standards?

I’m curiously optimistic. I think Roberts starts once a week – spotting Randy Winn and Aaron Rowand just as much as Lewis – while popping up mostly as a pinch-hitter or runner. I wouldn’t be surprised to be wrong, though.

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* Ship Roberts to Boston for a 5-gallon bucket of seeds

solved in 1 bullet point

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by delorean on Jun 30, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

That this, as well as who remains after the deadline, will be the biggest indications of if the Giants are for real about rebuilding, or of the sucess this far has just been an accident.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hunh. I must say that you are missing at least three points.

One is that your essayette doesn’t even mention how good Zito is and how helpful his contract is to the Giants’ future.
The second is related to the first: Brian Sabean is an excellent GM, so all your big think-tanky kind of astrophysicky kind of questions that you’re asking. We can count on Sabean to do the right thing, just like Jesus never lets anything too bad happen to anyone.
Third, once we pick up Maddux (for Ortmeier), he will have the veteranness, savviness, and oldness to tell Bochy that even my cat knows to play Lewis the majority of the time and use Roberts as a spot fill-in guy.

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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 30, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The solution:

Start Lewis every game after Roberts returns, but have him wear Roberts’ uniform. Whip up the trade frenzy, then trade the real Roberts at the deadline for whatever they can get. Charge the $8 million due him in ‘09 to Double Agent Ned Colletti’s credit card.

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by Kitspool on Jun 30, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've become accustomed to life w/o Dave

I tried to remember his uniform number after reading your post and am unable to do so. I think it’s either 10 or 30 though.

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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jun 30, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

May I become your devotee

*does this cult come with a fun hat?

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously...

... since you mentioned “bullet points”, there needs to be a duel.

yeah, well, the whole world stinks, francine -- so get used to it!

by satyricrash on Jun 30, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There needs to be a different catchphrase.

Because “bulletpoints” is conjuring up Madonna in all her tacky , conical glory.

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by victor frankenstein on Jun 30, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mmm"bulletpoints"

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on Jul 1, 2008 10:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Durham and Aurilia

I wonder how the Giants would have fared if Durham and AUrilia had hit like this last year in that Bonds filled lineup

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by NeifiChicken on Jun 30, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The division was argueably the best in baseball last year

So I don’t think it would have made a difference.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Castilla, Castilla, Castilla

You will all come to know the one thing about Bochy that I truly despise.

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ghoulish

As someone who has wished injury upon players before, I would like to defend myself. While it sounds terrible, it really is just an acceptance of the reality of the situation. For example, Vizquel needs to be benched and Burriss should play almost every day. This won’t happen unless Vizquel gets hurt. I don’t want him to get hurt, but the only way the Giants will do the right thing is if he is hurt.

Also, magic doesn’t exist so me wishing for something doesn’t actually do anything.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marcello is a ghoul!

At least he’s not a troll.

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope, just sometimes an ass.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he's a ghroll.

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by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WITCH!!!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2008 2:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My prediction? Pain.

I’m seeing Roberts starting in left 2 days a week and becoming Bochy’s #1 pinch-hitter.

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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 30, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tangentally...
Before the season started, we had some kind of indication that the offense would be bad. That’s still true, even though it’s much, much better than expected. Heck, almost every non-shortstop is a league-average hitter.

Interesting that the hitting has been much better than expected, and yet we are not exactly a .500 team. Was the pitching over estimated to a greater extent than hitting underestimated? I actually think this is a bad sign for 2009 (maybe 2010 as well). If we can actually reduce the Giants line-up woes to a single sucking black hole as SS… and we are still playing .450 ball… how, exactly are we going to make a good team?

I mean we could replace Bocock/Burris/Vizquel with Jose Reyes 2008 and still only be 40-42. Anyone who points out that this would make us “Contenders in the NL West” will be taken out and shot.

I think many of us were laboring under the assumption that with a league-average offense, we would be a pretty good team. Fact is, the pitching + defense hasn’t been all that (8th in the NL in runs allowed—3rd in the NL West, and you can only blame so much on that on Zito)

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Jun 30, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First thought that comes to mind. . .

Is bullpen. How many ND’s do these guys have?? I mean, the starting pitching (save for Zito) has been decent if I recall (haven’t looked at numbers in a while) but it seems to me that we’re finding defined roles for people, ferreting out those who will not be in our future, e.g., chulk, and such. Should tach be a lh specialist? Where is hinshaw comfortable, who set’s up? Merkin when he comes back? etc. . . I really think that with some definition of say a 7th, 8th, 9th innings taken care of, those 1 run games will be much better.

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by WilltheThrill on Jun 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Defense is a big problem. We are one of the worst defensive teams in baseball. All the talk of pitching and defense and the Giants F.O. somehow still missed half of that equation.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1!

This squad is about as close to being good defensively has its batters are to being a power offense. And that is a double bad mojo whammy that a team does not just shrug off. Or do people think that nice little run at the end the May just happened by accident instead of because the Giants were playing teams with a similar level "d" ( thus freeing arms, for a bit, from one of the whammies) ?

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2008 1:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ahem....

blame the infield, especially the right side (and possibly the catchers with too many passed balls)
the outfield defense has been good, with Lewis as one of the top defensive left fielders, Winn as a good right fielder, and Rowand as an above average center fielder, according to multiple different defensive metrics (e.g. The Hardball Times Revised Zone Rating and # of plays made out of zone, and John Dewan’s Plus/Minus rating)

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by baetown415 on Jun 30, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No doubt, you put Durham and Castillo out there everyday and what do you expect?

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 1:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Outfield is great right now, and will be even better next year with more coaching from Rowand to Lewis and, soon, Nate Dawg.

IF – Jose is pretty awful, Omar is great but plays defense on offense, Ray makes 1 awesome play for every 7 bad ones and the only defensive upgrade to him is Buriss, and Bowker just needs time.

If the rooks are getting time and learning their positions at the MLB level im fine with it, even that awful play by Horwitz a few days ago.

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 30, 2008 1:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No clue

I think he’s pretty okay…. like you said to the eye he looks decent. With JT Snow close and Bowker beign a rook he might turn into an above average defender with a .290, 20 HR guy. I’m more concerned about his BB/SO ratio than defense.

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 30, 2008 2:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he’s a 2 in Dewan’s +/, but that rates him as a “B -” right now

The Hardball Times RZR has him at .737 (below league average) with only 7 plays made outside of zone (interestingly enough, they rate Aurilia lower than Bowker in RZR).

The guy’s learning on the fly though and just from eyeballing it, he looks a lot better defensively lately

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by baetown415 on Jun 30, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he’s a – 2, sorry

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Wearing the crown by 2011. Or at least the LOOGY hat

by baetown415 on Jun 30, 2008 2:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His stats on THT aren’t too great, but he doesn’t even qualify yet for their leaderboard. Given his limited time at 1B in his career, and the limited sample size we’re working with this year, I don’t know how much we can conclude.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 2:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has made a few nice pick's over there

Especially on liners that would have gone for extras

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2008 4:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while and haven’t had any issues with him so far.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 5:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I am honestly looking at it I have no bitch about our outfield "d".

Yet it does have flaws. Have we gone a 3 game series yet were the regular starting three has not given up extra 90 on their throws? If the Giants were scoring like 5 runs a game not as big of a deal. If they were more constant on converting infield groundballs it outs would also mitigate it also. But if a team is counting on your "D" to prevent enough runs to make up for a lack of fire power it is not good enough yet.

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point, range-wise the outfield is very good but they have made a lot of mistakes with their arms.

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by jponry on Jun 30, 2008 2:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just incase I come off as too negative.

I am just trying compare our starting three O.F. to a really good ( maybe elite ) "d". The type that just strangles teams to death if they don’t go deep or are really good at using the walk & small ball methods. In some ways its an unfair standard for a rebuilding year. And to be honest I did not expect them to be as close to it as they are. But because the Giants made "D" their mantra this off season I feel I am justified in bring it up.

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The offense is better than expected

but it’s still pretty bad.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The pitching was not overestimated, in my opinion. Lincecum has been, if anything, better than we thought he’d be, so +1. Cain has been worse, so -1. Sanchez has been way better, +2. Zito has been way worse, -2. Bullpen has been mediocre. The way I see it, our expectations overall were about right, even if we were off on individual players.

The reason why we’re overperforming on offense and still sucking in the W-L column is because we had no margin for error- if everything clicked, we were going to be a team that could be taken seriously. If it didn’t click, we were going to set a new standard for craptacular. I think the .500 expectations were obviously off-base, but hey, everything clicked, and we can be taken somewhat seriously. Hell, we finally won a series with the A’s, and we did it with style!

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’ve nailed the pluses and minuses of the starting pitching, but failed to mention that having to start Misch instead of Correia turned out to be a pretty big minus.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That probably cost us quite a few games.

I’m also not sure we can’t blame it on Zito.

The combination of Zito / Misch is responsible for a LOT of earned runs as well as a good # of losses.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this post

is meaningless without Giants runs scored in those 34 games.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Jun 30, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

Just less meaningful

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok smart guy

maybe I meant MY post!

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Jun 30, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While we're all lovey-dovey about Fred Lewis

Hasn’t is occurred to anyone that he may be over-performing, even as a league-average LF? I’ve seen a few stats that say that he’s not really this “good,” such as this

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by lmaozedong on Jun 30, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doubt it

I have no idea what your link said because it doesn’t lead to anything, but his minor league stats are pretty much on par with what he’s been doing in the majors. He’s been a good contact hitter with the ability to walk a lot. And it really doesn’t matter if he can keep it up in the majors or not. The point is we should be giving him a shot over Dave Roberts. Dave Roberts is old and is irrelevant to our future. Lewis might not be. If there’s a chance he could consistantly perform good enough to be our future everyday left fielder, then we should play him.

by boonitez on Jun 30, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doubt it

I have no idea what your link said because it doesn’t lead to anything, but his minor league stats are pretty much on par with what he’s been doing in the majors. He’s been a good contact hitter with the ability to walk a lot. And it really doesn’t matter if he can keep it up in the majors or not. The point is we should be giving him a shot over Dave Roberts. Dave Roberts is old and is irrelevant to our future. Lewis might not be. If there’s a chance he could consistantly perform good enough to be our future everyday left fielder, then we should play him.

by boonitez on Jun 30, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LALALA

I’M NOT LISTENING

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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He still needs to be in instead of Dave Roberts.

Also, that link didn’t lead anywhere

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by groug on Jun 30, 2008 1:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah it just lead us here

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by Azmanz on Jun 30, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ideally, you want more power in left than Lewis has provided. that said, the way Freddie’s performing this season is about the same as the past 2-3 years. which makes the Roberts signing even more indefensible

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by baetown415 on Jun 30, 2008 1:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with all of this...

but am I really beyond goulish to hope players get hurt? I mean it’s not my fault I hate Jeff Kent, A-rod, Derek Jeter, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Dave Roberts, Ray Durham, Russell Martin, Jose Mesa, AJ Pierzynski, and Kosuke Fukudome…

by boonitez on Jun 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's wrong with Fukudome?

or Manny for that matter…

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by lmaozedong on Jun 30, 2008 1:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only reason he's going to the allstar game is because...

his last name spells out Fuck you do me. That’s the only reason he’s getting votes from anyone that’s not a Cubs fan. He doesn’t deserve to be there, especially not over Braun.

by boonitez on Jun 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

but I still hate that Cubs fans overrate the shit out of him. He’s not really that good.

by boonitez on Jun 30, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big offseason acquisition + pretty hyped Japanese player + not sucking + Cubs fans.. It’s pretty much expected that he’ll get lots of votes.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree. That a real good reason to hate him.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs fans are very hard to please. If the Fuck-You-Dome wasn’t producing, they would want him out on his ass along with anyone partially responsible for signing him. Thusly, I’m not too sure his high-proflle-ness is a cub fan thing, as much as it is an ESPN thing.

by toofruss on Jun 30, 2008 1:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shouldn’t you be hating Cubs fans then? Also it’s not pronounced that way goldarnit.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Going off on an All-star related tangent...

What’s with all the Brewers players ranking so high in the All-star voting? Jason Kendall in third place? I mean, seriously?

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate, hate, hate that AS appearances are considered important

when the voting system is such complete BS. I mean, you couldn’t design a worse system. Wow.

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 1:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s pronounced Fuck You Dome, as in, “Welcome to the Fuck You Dome.” Actually, it’s not pronounced that way, but that’s how I likes it.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was really hoping this had died out by now, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never. His name looks like there’s a swear word in it. It’s awesome and I will love it forever.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see it as kinda disrespectful/racist to mock a name like that. Pretty lowbrow and “ugly American” to find amusement in that.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 2:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we make fun of white guys with funny names too.. bocock for instance

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by Azmanz on Jun 30, 2008 2:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which you much admit is also pretty lowbrow...

...though maybe not racist.

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by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His name is actually pronounced with a cock in it, though.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2008 2:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, but you might want to reconsider who is being a bit racist if that’s what you think. You’re the one pulling racism into an issue where it doesn’t exist. I laugh at Dick Pole’s name the same way.

Immature? No doubt.

Disrespectful? Maybe, but if someone was laughing at my name that way I would just roll with it.

Racist? Not even close.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think it’s racist. I’m just not the type for lowbrow jokes. Maybe it was funny in the first five seconds of seeing the name, but it gets old fast, especially if you know the actual pronunciation.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 2:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough, and for the record, I do know the actual pronunciation.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 2:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we have a pretty good track record around these parts that if someone is offended by something, it’s dropped. Since it’s been previously expressed that this mocking of the name is offensive (not by me), I think that should apply in this case.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t remember that discussion, so my apologies. Whether something is offensive or not is pretty subjective but I’ll drop it anyways.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 2:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the difference is that Bocock’s name does, in fact have the word COCK in it and Dick Pole’s name does have the words DICK and POLE in it. Fukudome’s name doesn’t actually have the word FUCK in it. The “joke” comes solely from mispronouncing a foreign name. That’s why a lot of people find it offensive while very few have a problem with making fun of the white guys.

(Note: the above is not meant as a coherent explanation but rather an excuse to put the words DICK, POLE, COCK, and FUCK in all caps in a post.

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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jun 30, 2008 2:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hee!

You said post!

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by groug on Jun 30, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh

“Post” starts with a “p” like “poop!” HEY, wait! “P” sounds like “pee!”

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 2:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn’t a post really just a small pole?

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, you would know all about small poles! OH SNAP!

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by Kitspool on Jun 30, 2008 3:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not all about you, Goofus.

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by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2008 3:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's not forget

Poo-holes.

Making fun of someones name is just part of the game. It doesn’t automatically become racist just because they happen to be something other than white.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2008 9:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To continue Mike’s vague point, though, Pujols is actually pronounced Poo-holes.

I don’t think that Fuck You Dome is racist per se, but I do think that there is a strong contingent of people who think that it is funny because of racially insensitive reasons, often reasons that they don’t consciously acknowledge. There ARE people who internalize the comedy in terms of “Look at that stupid Japanese name,” whether they knowingly do it in such explicit terms or not. There are others, like marcello, who don’t. It’s not racist in and of itselt, but it can be a racist gesture depending.

And I do believe that the fact that it’s not phonic (which is to say, homophonic) makes a small difference. Because Pujols is an English homophone with poo-holes, there is no significant cognitive disconnect between the two, which minimizes the number of ways that people will be capable of bridging the gap between “pujols” and “lol,” thus limiting the possibility for racial connections. Because Fukudome is not an English homophone, the cognitive disconnect is greater, and the number of ways that people can easily bridge that gap also expands, and one of those ways is in racial terms.

Again, I’m absolutely NOT saying that it is racist. I am saying that it CAN EASILY BE racist, much moreso even than in the case of a name like Pujols. I do not believe that anybody in this thread was speaking with any sliver of racist intent. Even in the slightest. I don’t.

But where there is that wiggle room, it doesn’t hurt to be careful. Just my line of thinking.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2008 3:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In reality

Pujols is not even close to being a homophone w/ poo-holes.

That is just the butcherd white way of saying it.

I just think there is a little bit of a double standard involved in that it is okay to make fun of peoples names UNLESS that person happens to come from a cultural group that the offended party happens to identify with.

I mean, the number of athletes who’s names we make fun of is limitless. It may be insensative, but it’s not racist.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, then how about this:

It’s just plain absence of wit and intelligence to laugh at a foreign name just because it ‘sounds funny.’

And HowTheyScored is right that lurking underneath whatever makes it funny to one culture to make fun of “funny sounding” names from another culture (and no, I’m sure white Americans didn’t invent that; I am perfectly prepared to believe that Cantonese people find the name John Smith pretty goofy sounding) is at least xenophobic or tribal or both, at levels that are unconscious, and those are not the better angels of our nature.

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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 1, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

An example I think is stupid:

Maureen Dowd refers to Iranian prez Mahmoud Ahmadinejead as “I’m-a-Dinner-Jacket.” Witless. It has no comic or wit value; it has no meaning that connects to the man being mocked. It is just straightforward mocking a name because it sounds “funny” to us.

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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 1, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

Merkin. The beginning of this season was overwhelmed with humorous mispronunciations of his name. Racist? Culturally insensitive?

Making fun of a players name is no better or worse than making fun of them for other reasons. It can certainly be culturally insensitive or willfully ignorant. Since when is making fun of someone supposed to be sensitive or enlightened? It’s kind of by definition not. Willful ignorance is in many ways the basis of humor.

Shit, what about all of the Yabuuuuuuuuu jokes. No one seems offended by that.

Calling Fukudome Fuck-you-dome is no worse than calling Gagne Gag-me. No one was ever called racist or especially insensitive for that. For those who like the player it may be insulting, for those who don’t – it’s funny.

Big deal, IMO.

I personally never made the fuck-you-dome connection tho so I guess I’m just dim.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 1, 2008 3:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That example

Is out of the context of sport. Why would one make fun of the president of Iran? You have to examine someones motivations to decide if their willful ignorance is rooted in something more sinister than the fact that the guy plays for an opposing team.

If there was some dude named Ahmadinejead and he played for the dodgers, I would have no problem w/ any sort of names people derived from that to represent him. (short of something blatantly bigoted like towel-head, etc)

The fact that he is in actuality the president of a foreign nation changes the context, and in the particular situation I would derive from that choice of pronunciation that the speaker was ignorant and quite likely close minded and intolerant of unfamiliar cultures.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jul 1, 2008 3:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s hard to hate Manny, even if he’s a Red Sock.

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and also

didn’t he just lay a guy out because he couldn’t get him as many tickets as he wanted?

by Viliphied on Jun 30, 2008 5:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HE'S A BUM

Manny, too.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Jun 30, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kosuke Fukudome?

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 30, 2008 1:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let’s be honest, EVERYONE wants to see AJ Pierzynski get hurt.

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by marcello on Jun 30, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He got his mask knocked off by a foul tip in the 9th last night on SNB. I snickered..

by toofruss on Jun 30, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Made my night

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by delorean on Jun 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Including baseball players

From Wiki:

A May 2006 issue of Sports Illustrated featured a survey taken among 470 baseball players about what player they would most like to see get beaned. Pierzynski received eighteen percent of the vote, higher than any other player. Forty-two percent of those surveyed in the AL Central Division (which the White Sox play in) voted for Pierzynski.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 30, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wonder how many White Sox players voted for him too.

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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats classic.. he is what .25% of the mlb but recieved 18% of the votes

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by Azmanz on Jun 30, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wikishenanigans

I call BS

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...Fukudome?

Everybody Loves Durham
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it IS your fault you hate them

Dude, gotta take responsibility for your emotions!

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 1:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the case for Fukudome

ugh, nevermind,

i just checked his home/road splits on Baseball-Reference.com

Home: .373/.476/.563 in 40 games
Away: .219/.331/.299 in 37 games

bad

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by baetown415 on Jun 30, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dave Roberts

Is a class act and a teamplayer. He understands this is the time for Fred Lewis. Roberts will be there to assist Lewis in his development. Bochy can use Roberts as a 4th OF, PH, PR and defensive replacement for Lewis in LF.

by wilriv21 on Jun 30, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would tend to agree. From some of the comments I’ve heard, Roberts sounds like he knows he’s been pipped. Xzibit’s new show: “Pipp My Left-fielder!”

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by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wasnt dave roberts the one bitching at the beginnin of the year that he didnt want to be platooned?

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by Azmanz on Jun 30, 2008 1:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My friend saw him in the airport once

And said his wife was Smokin

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2008 1:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can’t smoke in airports can you?

Fairley odd parent to Wendell

by WTF on Jun 30, 2008 2:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which player wants to be platooned? Roberts, like all players, wanted to start. He is smart enough to realize performance dictates playing time. I believe he is a platoon LF.

by wilriv21 on Jun 30, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would love to be platooned

come in to work maybe 2 or 3 days a week and continue drawing my full pay? Fuck yeah.

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by delorean on Jun 30, 2008 1:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are not a player

Everyone, except the little lady, knows Delorean is a playa

by wilriv21 on Jun 30, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't hate, people!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 30, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hate , inanimate objects!

Those uncooperative bastards.

NL West TempestTeapot - An ENTIRE DIVISION under .500!

by victor frankenstein on Jun 30, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you talking about? I love people.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2008 3:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's not a platoon

You’d have to come in to work 7 days a week, and spend the time watching someone else do your job.

All-Father Watch: 1.26 ERA, 7 saves, 1.01 WHIP, 36 Ks in 35 2/3 IP

by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better than going home 7 nights a week and spend the time watching someone else do your wife.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 2:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not all about you, Goofus.

All-Father Watch: 1.26 ERA, 7 saves, 1.01 WHIP, 36 Ks in 35 2/3 IP

by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2008 2:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are others? What am I ? Swingshift?

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really about him...

...it’ll be good if he’s not a Finley about it, but you expect any player who’s able to play to want to play. Obviously if Bochy keeps penciling him in, Roberts is not gonna say “Gee skip, Freddie’s a better hitter than me, you should start him instead.” And that’s the concern based on Bochy’s history.

I am cautiously optimistic that even Bochy’s veteran-loving tendencies won’t be able to make Roberts look better than Lewis as an everyday starter. But only cautiously.

All-Father Watch: 1.26 ERA, 7 saves, 1.01 WHIP, 36 Ks in 35 2/3 IP

by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are who we thought we were.

Does that mean we crown our own ass (if we want to)?

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've said it before

I will believe it when I see it. Although, Lewis has seemed to have gotten on Bochy’s good side. He’s even started against lefties at times. So if there’s anyone who can overcome veteran-lust, it’s Lewis.

That said, I will believe that the kids will get a fair shake when I see it. This organization has a pretty extensive track record as to giving our semi-prospects a shot.

Only 891 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jun 30, 2008 2:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey, Lewis graduated

..this is his second-straight year swinging an above-average bat. Not much above-average, true, so for LF his stick is awfully weak, but then we knew he was wasted anywhere besides CF. Yeah, his defense there isn’t stellar, but his speed makes up for those bad first steps, so I think he grades around average there.

And yes, Rowand is a better package, but not tons better, and a lot more expensive.

by wcw on Jun 30, 2008 2:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m going to be cautiously optimistic that Freddie will remain the starting LF but I won’t be at all surprised if we start seeing D-Robz in the lineup every day sometime soon.

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by jponry on Jun 30, 2008 2:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Roberts sees any significant playing time, he’d better be at least somewhat productive.

Because if Lewis sits while Roberts shits, I’ll have issues.

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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 30, 2008 2:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roberts shitting in the outfield?

That’s just Davey being Davey.

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 30, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you are mostly right

Roberts will probably rest Rowand and Winn mainly, plus get a start in LF at times as well. Of course, that means he plays LF while Lewis moves to RF and Rowand or Winn plays CF.

I think it plays out this way because sometime in late April, if I recall right, Roberts acknowledged publicly that he might not come back to a starting position, and that he would be OK with that, that he understands why that might be. He probably wouldn’t have said that if management had not already told him that such a possibility is very possible, else he would say basically what Durham said when Frandsen was calling for his job, “bring it on, I believe in my abilities.” Plus no call for a trade, no pouting, he even said that he would be happy to help them get better while he is out, by giving out tips and such, he was very classy about the whole situation even though that meant a lesser situation for him.

People still doubt the Giants intentions but if they were really that vet oriented, they would have tried to get a better player than Castillo for 3B and looked for a better starter at 1B than Aurilia/Ortmeier. The Rowand signing threw people for a loop in regards to this, but as he has shown this season thus far, the signing was a good one, one that had to be made for the future. Also, they would have signed one of the wandering dead – Jeff Weaver, Ponson, Tomko – as competition for the starting rotation, instead of letting Sanchez and Correia fight over it.

And really, if they were that gosh-darned vet oriented, our entire pitching staff right now would not be almost 100% Giants farmhands AND young. They would all have been traded for other parts already. But they weren’t and that fact is conveniently forgotten by some people.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 30, 2008 2:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im still not sold on rowand being a good signing. if he wasnt on the team freddie would be in center with nate in left which id rather have. if we were an overall better team, then i would say so far it was a good signing.. but we dont really need rowand

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by Azmanz on Jun 30, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus the whole thing about players who throw their body around like Rowand and play hurt (or even injured) declining more quickly, meaning the 5th (and possibly 4th) year of Rowand’s contract is looking bad…. almost as bad as Roberts’ contract now

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by baetown415 on Jun 30, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Freddie

As I recall is not a very good defensive CF. While Aaron Rowand is not the gold glove superman centerfifelder ESPN and the like make him out to be, he is solid out there.

Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 30, 2008 4:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

counter point

Roberts was less then stunning in CF last year and this didn’t stop him from logging 100’s of innings there.

And unlike Roberts, a player Lewis’s age with a few hundred "not disastrous" innings in Center under his belt could also be a hefty little trading chip. Not that I want to Lewis to go. Just pointing out an extra incentive so give Lewis similar play time in Center that did not apply to Roberts in ‘07.

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by daveinexile on Jul 1, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't use pitching as an example

The Giants have always been willing to throw young pitching out there, even during the middle of the Bonds years. Estes, Ortiz, Moss, Ainsworth, Williams, Foppert and etc. Pitching has never been the problem.

The Giants have always had problems with giving young position players a fair shot. In their defense, there really wasn’t anyone who demanded a fair shot with their overwhelming potential. However, the way young position prospects were treated during the same time as the above pitching prospects shows the double standard.

In 2002, Ryan Jensen (the absolute standard for mediocrity) was put into the rotation to the tune of 171 innings with an ERA+ of 86. In 2003, 21 year old Jerome Williams, 22 year old Jesse Foppert, 24 year old Kurt Ainsworth and even a 22 year old Kevin Correia made appearances on the club to throw a total of 347.3 innings during the middle of a 100 win season. As hyped as they were, none of them were really that much better a pitching prospect than, say, Todd Linden was a hitting prospect. Yet, they got ample opportunity. Conversely, Yorvit Torrealba was condemned to back up catcher duties to the point where they traded several good pieces away just so they didn’t have to make him the primary catcher. Pedro Feliz sucked for a month or so in 2001 and didn’t see the light of day for several years.

Mostly, though, the main reason why I do not trust this organization with giving prospects a fair shake is 2005-present. Rather than give guys like Kevin Frandsen and Todd Linden (regardless of what he ended up doing) a fair shot, they became backups/pinch hitters. This despite there being no reason not to play them.

Only 891 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jun 30, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is very true.

Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!

by Lyle on Jun 30, 2008 4:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but then somebody would have to type 75 words and that’s just a lot of w….

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2008 3:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roberts has value

And plenty of it … to a contender. The objective, so far as I see it, is to test Roberts in a number of roles: starting in LF, starting in CF, pinch hitting, pinch running, late inning flip-flops, substitutions … the whole kit & cabootle. The G’s have three weeks to showcase him, because he already possesses one of THE intanginbles that contenders are all in the market for: a veteran with post-season experience.

Of Durham, Aurilia, and Walker - our three most marketable role players - a healthy Roberts would most likely bring the most in a trade.

by StickRat on Jun 30, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm. Isn’t Roberts signed through 2009? I would think that would make him far less attractive to a team looking for a boost.

Unless Durham’s latest injury is serious, I would think he’d be the most attractive.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 3:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, Roberts is on the books for $6.5-mil next year. If the Giants pay a third of that, they can find a taker like the Cubs or D-Backs. I think Durham’s defense hinders his value tremendously. Plus, what contenders really need a second baseman with little pinch hitting and/or post-season experience?

by StickRat on Jun 30, 2008 4:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Randy Winn

commands the most of our players available for trade. Just my opinion.

Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 30, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I absolutely agree

I don’t consider Winn a role player though, even on a contender.

by StickRat on Jun 30, 2008 5:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Lurking Veteran

Hmm, I would have thought that Dave Roberts would be one for participating if he visited the MCC. That’s too bad. Dave, you really should join in. It’s a lot of fun! And we really don’t hate you that much.

Only 891 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on Jun 30, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nobody hates Dave Roberts

We might hate the idiot who signed a useful role-player on a contender to an above-market deal on an obvious noncontender, but Dave’s all right with me.

If some idiot offers me twice what I am worth, do you hate me for accepting the job offer?

by wcw on Jun 30, 2008 6:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes overlooked

It is sometimes overlooked that league-average hitting included pitchers and non-regulars.

by sharksrog on Jun 30, 2008 8:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Answer To Our Problems...

People are suggesting that we trade Randy Winn if we can get a decent prospect or two in return, and while I am sympathetic with the goal, I just don’t think Randy Winn will bring much back for us in trade. So…

... May I suggest… we trade Randy Johnson! We’ll get some nice prospects back from a contender (or even some team who might like a ticket booster for a couple months but not the BLB circus), they send the guys, we quickly put them in Giants uniforms with fake names sewn on them, and by the time the other team figures out that we just sent them Randy Winn, we will have changed our business address to someplace in Mexico. When they call, we answer, “No is Kruger.”

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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 1, 2008 1:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

test post

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by igotnothing on Jul 3, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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