Bill Hall wants trade. Me wants Bill Hall
by travisam on Jun 3, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/06/bill-hall-hopes.html
Mr. Hall is quite unhappy with his situation in Milwaukee. I actually don't think that it would take that much to snag him. Threets and Misch or something of the sorts? They have both Laporta and Gamel at 3rd in the minors. I know he's struggled, but he has definite power potential and he can play 3rd short and 2nd. Hall would be a great pickup for the Giants. Thoughts?
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Gamel, Gamel, Gamel!!!
Er….I could be talked into that. Bill Hall, not so much.
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by Lyle on Jun 3, 2008 8:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Gamel
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 3, 2008 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
LaPorta = not a third baseman. ever.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 3, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take
Bill Hall for garbage. He is the type of player the Giants should take a risk on.
But not at the expense of anything useful, Misch would be a good option.
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by FairweatherFan on Jun 3, 2008 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a big fan of Hall but if he can handle short, he’d have some value. RZR had him as pretty bad at that position in ‘05 when he played 500-some innings there. But, the Fielding Bible had him as a +24 SS from ‘05-’07, which is respectable.
Also, you have to consider his contract.
Bill Hall 3b
4 years/$24M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
* re-signed 2/07 (avoided arbitration, $4.125M-$3M)
* $0.5M signing bonus
* 07:$3M, 08:$4.8M, 09:$6.8M, 10:$8.4M,
11:$9.25M club option ($0.5M buyout)
* 1 year/$0.418M (2006), re-signed 3/06
* 1 year/$0.344M (2005), re-signed 2/05
* 1 year/$0.31M (2004), re-signed 3 /04
* agent: Gaylord Sports
* ML service: 4.099
He strikes out a ton and is already 28-years-old. I’ll have to think about it some more, maybe look at some of his other numbers. But, my initial reaction is, if he can handle SS still he might have some value.
by xanthan on Jun 3, 2008 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he that good?
08: $4.8M prorated to $2.4 for 1/2 season
09: $6.8M
10: $8.4M
11: $9.25M club option or $0.5M buyout
That is about $18M for 2.5 seasons.
by wilriv21 on Jun 3, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a gamble.
If he returns to 2006 form? Absolutely. If he plays @ 2007 pace? Well, he’s a slightly better Jose Castillo who can play more positions, but I don’t know if that is worth the extra 7.5 M or whatever it works out to.
If the price were lower, I would say absolutely as Bill Hall is the exact type of player SF should be looking at picking up to spell the gap between the team of today and the fantasy team of 2012. (And he plays a position that we have no current or future answer for unless you think of Castillo as an answer for 3b.)
He is also 28, which makes him still “young” by SF farm standards (Castillo, Ort and Lewis are all 27).
I guess the ultimate question then lies in the details of whatever deal. Is he worth it strait up @ 18 million for the 2.5? eh – possibly not. If we can get the brewers to take up some of that salary or manage to swap them one of our guys who has an appreciable salary (henessey?) then it starts to make more sense.
I like the idea of Hall at the hot corner for the Giants, I just don’t know If I think it is the best use of 7-8m a year (IE, who else could we get @ that price).
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 3, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’d have to throw Frandsen in the mix for next year, as well. I guess Hall, Furcal (yes, I’m still on that bandwagon even though he can’t seem to find the field), Frandsen, and Mystery 1B would be an improvement over the current infield.
by tyrannoman on Jun 3, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooh
mystery 1B.
he sounds so . . . mysterious. Is he tall, dark and patient (at the plate)?
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 3, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and handsome, and hits with power, and gives a great interview…
by tyrannoman on Jun 4, 2008 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get him. Would be the first McCoven white whale who was actually acquired.
by KCE on Jun 3, 2008 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I certainly think he’d be worth taking a chance on, but i wouldn’t give up much to get him, it’d only be worth it if it were a low risk move.
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by GiantFan on Jun 3, 2008 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Brew crew would accept Misch, or B-Hen, make the deal. If not, thanks for asking.
by tyrannoman on Jun 3, 2008 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hall for saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaale
I’d look at him only as a player that might be useful to trade if he turns it around. If we traded for him, he’d probably not have a big shot at starting time, mostly as a fill in ranking after Burris/Castillo on the roster. He’d probably steal some PT from Richie if we had another RH bat to place first.
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by homerdrew415 on Jun 3, 2008 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cost is a big issue for me. If we are going to trade anyone it would have to be Winn, IMO. I’m for getting him but he is owed over $15 million the next two years. Trade him for Winn now and it only costs roughly $5 million net ($2 mil this year, $15 the next two less the $12 mil owed Randy this year and next).
Now the question becomes can we get someone cheaper and/or with more upside for Randy. I have no clue on that one.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jun 3, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
3 team trade
For the Giants to acquire Hall, I think another team is needed.
Brewers don’t need Winn or Durham, Giants probably need to move that money before acquiring Hall.
Any suggestions for a 3rd team?
by aGIANTfan on Jun 3, 2008 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants don't have money problems that I'm aware of
Zito’s contract notwithstanding
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by hairball on Jun 3, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
It is my personal suspicion that in spite of the reported availability of money due to Morris and part of Bond’s money being off of the budget this year, and the infusion of 30M from MLB.tv that the Giants did not choose to look for more FA help this year in anticipation of lower ticket sales. And to see how the Giants are aggressively trying to sell ANY tickets at VERY discounted prices, I am only further re-enforced in this suspicion.
I think that there IS a money issue, and there will be until Roberts, Durham, and Aurillia are all gone and Bond’s contract is finally paid off. That will be starting next year.
by toofruss on Jun 3, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds
The Giants will continue to pay Bonds money for quite some time. Whether or not that money has already been set aside or if it’ll affect their year-to-year operations is something I’m unclear on, though.
by sfgfan on Jun 3, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had only heard that it was for this year. I’m not aware of the details of the deal.
by toofruss on Jun 3, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding...
and I don’t remember where I read it, was that we owe Bonds for another 4 years or more. Does anybody remember the details on the Bonds contract?
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by Lyle on Jun 3, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pay him for ten years
My favorite highlights this year are still of Bonds going yard five years ago.
by Moggeee on Jun 3, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t agree with you on the FA theory. There were not any players on the market that could really be difference makers, I think. I was lukewarm on the Rowand signing, but he is a player who seems to bring a lot to a young team, and his numbers so far have been outstanding. I’m not sure who else the Giants’ should’ve really gone after this year.
by tyrannoman on Jun 3, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there is a money issue like a set payroll limit that the ownership tells the baseball people they cannot exceed. I do think that money is always an issue for a rebuilding team and when you spend money stupidly (like $8.4 million in 2010 to a 3B hitting .225) it screws up the rebuilding process.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 3, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I’m definitely not in favor of a Bill Hall aquisition.
by toofruss on Jun 4, 2008 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not either. I think the Giants’ would be getting a poor man’s Brandon Inge, and who wants that?
by tyrannoman on Jun 4, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hall Pretty Please.
For two relievers not named Brian Wilson.
by Change Up on Jun 3, 2008 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hall please!
for anything kind of cheap without a pulse
by boonitez on Jun 3, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the responses over at traderumors (thanx for the link, travis) are all over the place. One person says Hall got benched against righties, in favor of Branyan, because Hall doesnt hit em well.
This yr 164 224 324 vs RHP, that’s brutal.
Another says with a more open stance that could be fixed.
I was pretty enthused about getting hall last winter, esp for Roberts or somebody pricey like that. But now, he’s griping and hitting has declined. Could be an albatross in 2010.
And just ‘cz a guy gripes doesn’t mean he gets the trade.
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by foothillsfan on Jun 3, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Threets for Hall :P
That’d solve all our problems.
Since I’m so f’ing nice I’d throw in Joe Castle.
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by Andy from DC on Jun 3, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s like Oprah generous!
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 3, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE GETS THEIR OWN JOSE CASTILLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm… too many exclamation points. Sometimes it’s wiser just to defer to the rule of threes.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I’d rather have Jose Castillo for $650 grand and the flexibility of being able to DFA his ass at any given moment than commit to paying Bill Hall $6.8 million next year and $8.4 million is 2010.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 3, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree also, but think Castillo also has value in being able to back up all kinds of inflield positions. Stick some goggles on him and he’s a slightly tubbier version of Vizcaino.
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by Goofus on Jun 3, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude…don’t scare me like that.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 3, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop making sense. Please.
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by daveinexile on Jun 3, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
small potatoes
forget hall. trade cain for fielder.
by BigO on Jun 3, 2008 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hes a slow singles hitter
in ATT. if he hits it to right, itll be off the wall and he wont even get to 2nd
by Azmanz on Jun 3, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So true.
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by Lyle on Jun 4, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't actually think
he’s all that slow. Anyone?
by BigO on Jun 3, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ve always thought Fielder runs pretty well for such a big dude. Of course, he’s bound to slow down as the years wear on.
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by Goofus on Jun 3, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about posting something like this. However, I went against that idea for a number of reasons.
1. Bill Hall is signed to a lot of money. Like 18.1 for the rest of his contract from now.
Compromise: If for some reason Doug Melvin would be dumb enough to do this…I would get Hall along with cash(somewhere in the range of us only paying him league minimum…that would be good) Melvin is not that dumb.
2. He has had horrible fielding numbers this year, something like 13 errors. Jose Castillo is wayy better. I think he has half that.
3. Finally, do I want Pedro Feliz part 2 gone darker, for about a million or so more?? Prolly not.
While I agree that if Bill Hall returns to 2006 form, then by all means go after him. But the truth of the matter is, he batted well in 05 and 06. The power numbers only occurred in 06 and he has had below Feliz HR numbers all the other seasons. Why would I want to watch that? I also like the doubles machine that Castillo has turned into.
by Scronjsn on Jun 3, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They’d have to eat a lot of salary. Was he decent as a SS? The Giants can afford to give him 600 AB’s between 3B/SS/2B and see if he can bounce back.
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by jasomack on Jun 3, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
but not at 7-8M a year or whatever it is. 4-5 would be awesome, tho.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 4, 2008 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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