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The Only Buy This Trade Deadline I Want To Make

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And it ain't for a bat it is for an arm.  I want to trade for Greg Maddux.  Yes, I still want to sell Ray Durham and Randy Winn but I also want to buy the Mad Dogg.  We are only 5 games out of first place in the NL West.  We still probably won't win it but I think we could make things mighty interesting with a starting Rotation of Lincecum, Sanchez, Cain, Maddux, and Zito.  Move Correia to the bullpen and trade Yabu who is not part of our future. 

By selling Durham and Winn we can open up RF for Nate Schierholtz and give Rich Aurilia an everyday job at 3B moving Castillo to 2B.  I would also like to see Omar accept that he is at then end of his Hall Of Fame Career and willing to be a bench player until he retires at the end of the year.  This would then give us the following lineup and bench that I think could both compete this year in the very weak NL West and build for the future in 2009 and beyond.

Lineup:

Fred Lewis LF

Jose Castillo 2B

Aaron Rowand CF

Bengie Molina C

John Bowker 1B

Rich Aurilia 3B

Nate Schierholtz RF

Manny Burriss SS

Bench:

Omar Vizquel SS

Dave Roberts OF

Dan Ortmeier 1B/OF

Brian Horwitz 1B/OF 

Steve Holm C

 Note:

Travis Denker returns to Fresno to play every day.

 

 

 

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you’re forgetting Kevin Frandsen who was supposed to be the starting 2nd baseman this year.

by Mr. Clutch on Jun 29, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Kevin Frandsen Is Not Going To Play This Year

He is on the 60 Day DL and is very unlikely to be ready for Rehab in time to play in the minors in August and their are no Minors in September.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 4:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He didn't say he was gonna play this year

He said he was supposed to be the starter but he got hurt. He’ll be back next year.

by boonitez on Jun 29, 2008 8:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Frandsen was more likely to start at 3B this year had he not been hurt. If he hadn’t been hurt, Castillo probbaly wouldn’t have even been on the roster.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 7:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lest we forget

Frandsen isn’t that good, and might not even stick as an ML player. Just sayin’.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 30, 2008 9:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What do you want to trade for Maddux? The Pads won’t want Winn or Durham.

by AngelWillSaveUs on Jun 29, 2008 4:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Prospects That Are Not Part Of Our Long Term Plans

But the Padres could see are part of their long term plans.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 4:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If prospects aren't in SF's long term plans

Then I doubt they are in SD’s.

The Giants aren’t exactly overflowing with talent in the high minors.

by DesertFox on Jun 29, 2008 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because

1. It takes Correia out of a starting role, where he belongs
2. It has two of our most valuable trading chips failing to bring in any value for the future of our team
3. Maddux won’t put the Giants nearly over the top
4. What the hell are some examples of prospects not part of our future but possibly in the Padres’?

by kingofthacove on Jun 29, 2008 5:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux Would Be A One Year Rental Taking A Shot This Year

and Correia will not be in the rotation next year when Lowry returns.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 5:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Which, once again, is dumb

because Maddux won’t put the Giants at a level where they could compete for a World Series. The prospects that we get for Winn and Durham could someday be contributors to a World Series team.

And Lowry’s career is up in the air at this point

by kingofthacove on Jun 29, 2008 5:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How Is It Dumb

to trade what you have in surplus for a rental to take a shot this year? I am not sacrificing something we are likely to need anytime in the next 4 years.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So if someone offers you a XBox for your Tim Lincecum autographed baseball

you would accept it, knowing that I would offer you a Benz?

Obviously, this is an exaggerated example, since we all know a Tim Lincecum baseball in priceless

by kingofthacove on Jun 29, 2008 6:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

xbox, no.

now an iPhone or a PS3…

by ExcuseMeSwing on Jun 29, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hee hee

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on Jun 29, 2008 7:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ha

nicely done

by sam23 on Jun 29, 2008 7:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is assuming that Lowry returns, which is a relatively big leap of faith.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 29, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just wondering, but why do you want Lowry in the rotation over Correia?

Proud adoptive parent of Tim Alderson.

by Anticon23 on Jun 29, 2008 9:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux has a full NTC

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jun 29, 2008 4:59 PM PDT   0 recs

So?

The Giants are in a much better positon to compete for the NL West Tittle this year then the Padres are.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 5:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Competition isn't the only reason maddux signed with SD

It’s close to his home in Vegas.

The Giants are closer to contention than SD, but so is just about every other team in baseball, many of which are also more legitimate contenders than the Giants .

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jun 29, 2008 5:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But None Of These Contenders That Need Pitching

are anywhere near as close to Vegas as San Francisco is and none of them have a ball park that limits homeruns almost as well as Petco Park.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 5:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There are no contending teams that need pitching?

That’s hard to believe. Just because they have a better team ERA than the Giants doesn’t mean they aren’t looking for an arm.

Besides, the key to fixing the rotation isn’t so much addition as subtraction: bouncing Zito to the pen. Acquiring Maddux wouldn’t make Zito’s contract smaller.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Jun 29, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Never Said No Other Contenders Need Pitching

I said that none of the contenders that need pitching are as close to Vegas as the Giants are.

With regards to Ztio, I think his last start is truely the beginning of a real turn around. I am not trying to solve the issue of his contract. I am rather trying to compete this year (adding Maddux) while still building for the future (subtracting Durham and Winn).

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 5:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Giants aren’t as close to a playoff berth as the contenders farther away from Vegas are. If Maddux wants to compete, he’ll demand a trade to a team that’s actually good instead of one that’s barely clinging to life because of how bad its division is. If Maddux doesn’t want to compete, he’ll stay put.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Jun 29, 2008 5:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bhakon Made The Vegas Arguement

I was just responding. Try reading the whole context.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 5:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but there ARE 5 other divisions in the league.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 29, 2008 5:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree with Burriss at SS, Castillo to 2b and trade of Durham. Moving Correia pack to pen is intriguing however the Giants will have to deal with the number of innings Sanchez will pitch this season so another starting pitcher is going to have to take some of Sanchez’s starts. Do not want Maddux.

by wilriv21 on Jun 29, 2008 5:05 PM PDT   0 recs

So now we’re back to throwing poo against a wall and seeing what sticks?!? I grew tired of this more than a full season ago.

Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 29, 2008 5:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Specifically, who do you want to trade? “Guys who aren’t good enough for us but are good enough for the Padres” is not an answer.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.

by groug on Jun 29, 2008 5:41 PM PDT   0 recs

Young Outfield Prospects

I see us set here for a long while with Lewis, Rowand, and Schierholtz.. l see this a the Padres greatest need.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 5:44 PM PDT   0 recs

The Padres greatest needs are prospects, that is not in doubt. But I don’t think you can call ‘pieces that the Giants can’t use’ as prospects.

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Jun 29, 2008 6:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

NAMES!!

Again…who are you talking about?

Play ring-around-the-rosy all you want, you can’t just spin, spin, spin and expect us to play along.

Jesus, having a discussion with you is about as easy as putting a man on the moon.

Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 29, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’d say it’s more like talking with a special needs child.

Without killing anyone
We've won it 3 times

by ChrisHero on Jun 29, 2008 6:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ishikawa

just cuz someone needed to throw a name out there…I was getting dizzy following that convo.

by sam23 on Jun 29, 2008 7:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

FAIL

Not a OF’er, nor a prospect really.

Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 29, 2008 7:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well you've put me in a corner

and now I’m losing my religion.

Proud pappa of....STEVE HOLM!!

by UnleashTheGore on Jun 30, 2008 8:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You Can Look Up The Giants Minor League Outfield Rosters

just as easy as I could. But when you look them up please be aware that Velez has once again been moved to the outfield as the Giants have once again given up on his infield defense.

by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2008 6:05 PM PDT   0 recs

OK, I'll bite

Those guys aren’t prospects.
Nobody in AAA
AA? EME if you value singles hitters with no D.
A? Nothing.
So that leaves Horwitz and Bowker.

Yeah, the Giants have a surplus of OF that the Padres could really use.

by DesertFox on Jun 29, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m not the one trying to make an argument that we should trade our “minor league OF prospects” to the Pads for your miracle RENT-A-VET!

Listen up jackass…if you expect any of us to play ball, you must do your own heavy lifting. Nobody else ‘round here makes a half-assed argument for something and expects everyone else to do the leg-work. It doesn’t work that way. Because this isn’t the first time you’ve done this, I’m thinking more and more that you’re just a troll looking for some attention. If that is the case, I feel deeply sorry for you my man…because you are leading a pathetic life and are in desperate need of someone to talk to.

Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 29, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

” I’m thinking more and more that you’re just a troll looking for some attention. If that is the case, I feel deeply sorry for you my man…because you are leading a pathetic life and are in desperate need of someone to talk to.”

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

NL West TempestTeapot - An ENTIRE DIVISION under .500!

by victor frankenstein on Jun 29, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just for the record

Velez has played the last four games at second base, with Matt Downs playing left.

by grizzled on Jun 30, 2008 9:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I can't do it

please do it for me

by kingofthacove on Jun 29, 2008 6:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Richie at 3B everyday? Richie at the plate everyday?

I have an idea – let’s deal for Alex Rodriguez!

(Runs away laughing maniacally)

NL West TempestTeapot - An ENTIRE DIVISION under .500!

by victor frankenstein on Jun 29, 2008 6:54 PM PDT   0 recs

Right on cue!

NL West TempestTeapot - An ENTIRE DIVISION under .500!

by victor frankenstein on Jun 29, 2008 7:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Proud adoptive parent of Tim Alderson.

by Anticon23 on Jun 29, 2008 9:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn, I love rainman posts!!!

There’s no guarantee you can get PBB riled up unless you involve Giantsrainman. So rainman… Thank you!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jun 30, 2008 2:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Greg Maddux is just what we need.

He’s the upgrade at 3B that we’re looking for!!

Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.

by jasomack on Jun 29, 2008 7:37 PM PDT   0 recs

17 straight Gold Gloves

Give that man an infielders glove…

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Jun 29, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

but can he play center field

"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."

by i did my job on Jun 30, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"We still probably won't win it "
We still probably won’t win it

GRM, you yourself admit that even if we make all the moves you suggest, we STILL probably won’t win the West. And in following your hare-brained scheme to rent an old, washed-up starter, we trade away prospects that might be part of competitive future Giants teams? And the alleged upside is that it’ll be good for the young kids to be in a pennant race?

Seriously? Do even you believe the stuff you’re saying here?

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 29, 2008 8:01 PM PDT   0 recs

Linguistic thanks.

Just wanted to take a second to thank you for saying HARE-brained, rather than the erroneous but more common HAIR-brained. Hair-brained doesn’t even make sense—just because a brain has hair on it, while unusual, there is nothing that would necessarily render that brain weaker or crazed. Hare-brained, on the other hand, fits the long metaphor of rabbits being capricious (a word that itself refers to goats, thus Capricorn) or crazed or liable to pretend to be a barber so as to humiliate Elmer Fudd.

Thank you.

Oh, and giving up ANYthing, even a box of pencils or a bag of that lime paste they use to make the foul lines on the field, in order to get a summer rental for THIS team in THIS season is, to invoke the third animal in this post, a dumbass idea.

DFA all Giants over 34 years old.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 29, 2008 10:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Scrubs ref

On the sitcom Scrubs, Dr. Cox made a dig at Dr. Turk for saying something dumb by blaming it on a condition known as the In-fro. Shaving your head so close to the scalp that the hair actually starts growing inward and thus, impeding brain function.

So if the brain did have hair, that would result in dumbassery.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 30, 2008 8:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"That's just a theory. Lots of theories didn't pan out..."

“The Lone Gunman… communism… algebra.”

I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 30, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

“OH MY GOD”

That’s one of my favorite lines of the whole series. I quote it when I’m having a frustrating time with maths, especially.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 30, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

It’s "The Lone Gunman… communism… geometry." And I’m not even embarrassed that I know that.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Jun 30, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

mmmm.... lime paste

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jun 30, 2008 8:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hilarious. Thank you.

I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 30, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I learned something new.

Useless, but new. (Sheepishly) I always thought it was “hair-brained”.

Since sheep and goats are closely related, I guess being both capricious and sheepish is pretty easy.

2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!

by Goofus on Jun 30, 2008 9:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have sure seen capriciousness lead to sheepishness...

I'm adopting a true Giant and an awe-inspring gamer: tk. "Atta babe."

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nnnnnnnnn

o. Stupid idea. Why get Maddux for the sake of throwing Correia into the bullpen? He’s a good starter. He should stay in the rotation. We have nothing to gain by doing this. He won’t get us any good draft picks when he becomes a FA again, he won’t help at a playoff push because we’re not going to the playoffs, and we’d have to give up some talent to get him. Rebuilding teams aren’t supposed to give up their talent. That talent is what makes them good again. We can’t assume Schierholtz will do good at the major league level, so we shouldn’t be giving up any outfielders. Not that we have any to give up, anyways.

by boonitez on Jun 29, 2008 8:53 PM PDT   0 recs

PUT

Down
the
crack
pipe

homie

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Jun 29, 2008 9:10 PM PDT   0 recs

You say you want to trade Yabu away because he’s not part of our future, yet you want to trade for Maddux?

Everybody Loves Durham
comics | cartoons | Nattowear

by Natto on Jun 29, 2008 9:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Lost in ALL this madness...

is the notion that you’ve subtracted Ray Durham (the team leader in OBP), and Randy Winn (2nd in OBP, 3rd in OPS) from the lineup, replacing them with Jose Castillo/Rich Aurilia full time, and Nate Schierholtz.

And in the shuffle of “trading people because they aren’t apart of the future,” Dave Roberts looks like he’s still there to pirate playing time away from Lewis and Schierholtz (as is Ortmeier and Horwitz), thus further watering down the offense that you expect to keep the Giants in “the chase.”

Greg Maddux will not make this fact better.

by ExcuseMeSwing on Jun 29, 2008 10:05 PM PDT   0 recs

not to mention

trading those said people hurts our already sad offense and getting maddux (over Correia in the rotation) is probably an upgrade, but not enough to be an overall improvement to the team.

getting madux is the equivalent of having a painful broken leg and trying to stop the pain by breaking your finger.

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 29, 2008 10:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux isnt going anywhere

I live in SD and watch plenty of Pads games. Maddux isn’t what he once was. He is a good guy to have on the team but at this point he is semi-retired. Nothing more than a solid 4-5 starter who probably knows more about baseball than any pitching coach in the league. While I would like to have him around to help out the kids its just never going to happen. He only signed with SD because of location. If they didn’t make an offer he was going to retire. I don’t remember but I don’t think the Dodgs even made an offer.

Bring me the head of Barry Zito!

by elGuapo on Jun 29, 2008 10:41 PM PDT   0 recs

If Maddux goes anywhere it’s to the Braves for his last hurrah with Glavine and Smoltz. He’s said he won’t go back to the Cubs, and they’re a legit contender in need of pitching; there is no way in hell he’ll approve a trade to the Giants for a half year. None.

(On a side note, Maddux has actually been one of the Padres more durable pitchers, leading the team in innings pitched and sporting the best ERA and ERA+. Course, a lot of this has to do with the home ballpark, and I’m not sure he can post these numbers all year, but he’s not as washed up as many think.)

Proud new parent of Mr. Buster Posey... you know, if he signs and stuff.

by GiantsFanInExile on Jun 30, 2008 8:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we should trade prospects who aren’t in our future (but are in the Mariners’ future) for Felix Hernandez. We could also use this plan to get Adam Dunn and Andy LaRoche for the infield corners.

by Dan from NM on Jun 29, 2008 10:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Hmmm...

GRM does say some stupid things. And although I disagree with it, his idea of getting Maddux isn’t as bad as some of his others.

What gets me though is that this is what was suggested:

1) Trade OF prospects for Maddux. Which OF prospects? “Any that aren’t part of our future.” So phantom, random OF prospects that you can’t name? Except for the good ones? And Whale’s Vagina is going to take them and give up Maddux? And Maddux will waive his no-trade clause to come here to a 35-46 team that is 6 games out, but not to another team that can legitimately claim to be a contender?

2) “Sell” Durham and Winn. Not for anything in particular – just sell them. For some other team’s OF prospects that aren’t in their future plans? Also, don’t sell Aurilia – just Durham and Winn. You can’t sell Aurilia, because he needs to play 3B so that RallyKiller can play 2B, even though his defense sucks there. OK. And keep Dave Roberts to be an integral part of the bench. Supposedly, this is to build for the future – and to contend this year! See, Aurilia, Roberts, and Castillo are there to build for t