It's probably too late now, but...
by AngelintheInfield on Jun 19, 2008 7:52 AM PDT
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... shouldn't the Giants have brought up Schierholtz for the American League road trip? I've heard many times that Bochy and the front office don't want Schierholtz up here until he can start everyday like he does in Fresno.
Although it is a small sampling of games, to me, this is the perfect opportunity to give Schierholtz some reps (play Rowand, Winn, or Lewis at DH), and another taste of the majors. He's absolutely killing the ball right now, and I for one believe that he deserves to be in San Francisco more than the likes of Horwitz (even though I really like Horwitz).
My one reservation to that, however, is the up and down promotion-demotion might kill his confidence even more.
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Options have always confused me slightly, even after following baseball obsessively for the better part of three decades, but aren’t options based on the number of years you’re on the 40-man roster as opposed to how many times you’re actually called up/sent down? If so, he’s already on the 40-man roster, so it shouldn’t matter.
by jcb9 on Jun 19, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats correct
I remember hearing that from Bobby Evans on KNBR. He said you can call up a guy as many times as you want during his option years.
by superk1ng on Jun 19, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct. The option is for the whole year, not every time a player is called up or sent down. (I’m looking at you, All Star Baseball ‘06)
by tyrannoman on Jun 19, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's quite true...
...once you have optioned a guy down once in a season, you can do it again as many times as you want during that same season. That entire season uses one of his options.
The reason Hennessey, for instance, still had an option left is because he spent the entire 2007 season in the majors, so that year didn’t count against his options.
That means that if they plan on bringing Schierholtz up at any time during this season, it wouldn’t hurt anything (in terms of options) to bring him up early, send him back down, and call him up again later.
However, the Giants may be considering keeping him in Fresno until after roster expansion and avoid using an option on him this year at all.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 19, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is what I was trying to say. Sorry if I was unclear. It would be much better stating that a player has an option year left.
by tyrannoman on Jun 19, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
didn’t know that about Hennessey, I was wondering about that.
I was going to post on the options up and down – I think Correia was yo-yoed like that one season – but you beat me to it.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 19, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It is confusing because we always hear that a guy is “out of options,” which implies that there are a finite number of options, one of which is used each time a guy is send down.
Just think of “options” as a state, a period of time, and it is easier to understand.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 19, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the PCL
So for a 24 year old to be hitting for an .888 OPS isn’t really “killing it. A better argument is that he is as good as he is going to get and he is never going to be a patient enough hitter to be anything more than an average [at best] right fielder
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by irwin on Jun 19, 2008 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it should be noted
That his OPS with the bases empty: .721 with a .252 avg
OPS with runners on: 1.090 in almost the same number of ABs(1.118 scoring position)
So he’s basically the opposite of Winn
by superk1ng on Jun 19, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sample size
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 19, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't find his splits from last year
but I do remember seeing his avg/obp/slugging/ops all being significantly higher with runners than with none on.
by superk1ng on Jun 19, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sample size
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by marcello on Jun 19, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s almost always a meaningless split regardless of the sample size.
by Evan on Jun 19, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Opposite of Winn?
Randy Winn career splits:
Bases empty: .284/.341/.428/.769.
Runners on: .291/.352/.421/.772.
RISP: .282/.349/.421/.769.
Please explain.
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by Cookyman on Jun 20, 2008 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, the problem is that you’re using his CAREER numbers. It obviously makes more sense to only go by the statistics accumulated in the half season we’ve seen this year. There’s no flaw in that at all.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 20, 2008 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need for “Slapped Lightly” to be called up right now. Having the DH just means that Bowker is relatively certain to play every day.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 19, 2008 10:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would rather he was called up and left up...
than called up started every fourth day and eventually sent back down. Wait a while until room is cleared out for him and then call him up for good (i.e. DePodesta’s blog where he said he thought it was detrimental to a player’s confidence to do the whole “call them up send them down” song and dance). I have heard many baseball people wonder where famous names like Mays, Mantle, or Ripken would be had they been sent down or discarded because of early struggles. Not to say Shierholtz is any of these guys but shit let the guy figure it out without worry of having to go back to the SJV.
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by camwoody on Jun 19, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m disappointed nobody’s tried to bait me with a third base comment.
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by groug on Jun 19, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can Zito play third?
how did I do?
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by daveinexile on Jun 19, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job
I’m very proud
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by groug on Jun 19, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOW DARE YOU?
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by groug on Jun 19, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT HE WAS CHABOT COLLEGE TEAM OF THE DECADE @ 3RD!!!!1111
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He’ll just be blocking Dave Roberts from a valuable OF spot!
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 19, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were trying him at catcher.
by Evan on Jun 19, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate should be told to try 3B, 1B, and C. I still don’t know why marginal players or players who are being blocked at the big league level don’t learn extra positions. If nothing else it makes them easier to keep on the big league roster because of the flexibility it gives the manager.
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by homerdrew415 on Jun 19, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
. I still don’t know why marginal players or players who are being blocked at the big league level don’t learn extra positions
Because it’s a lot harder than just having to learn a new position, especially if they are someone like Nate playing a corner OF spot, which is considered one of the easier defensive spots to play.
by xanthan on Jun 19, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s already tried 3B. He couldn’t play there.
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by groug on Jun 19, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about games on ESPN? The volume’s twice as loud as on Comcast SportsNet.
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by Kitspool on Jun 19, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know where Wendell Fairley is?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 19, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a scale of 1-10, this thread gets a 109.
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by groug on Jun 19, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, that’s pretty close to the reading that earthquake got yesterday.
by Natto on Jun 19, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Jerome Williams is with the A’s
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by Goofus on Jun 19, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
We should try that with some of our other outfielders. I bet Ortmeier and maybe even Bowker could learn to play first. Call me crazy, but it just might work!
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by EliminateMe on Jun 19, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I c
what u did thar
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by AngelintheInfield on Jun 19, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would never happen on most teams
We must be the only fan base in MLB consistently to want players to move down the defensive spectrum.
Schierholtz is going to be marginal as a corner OFer anyway, yet he should learn 1B? Really? The lack of quality at 1B for the Giants has really warped our thought processes.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 20, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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