OT: NBA losing credibility?
Kings fans here in Sacramento are happy to believe the charges by Donaghy about the NBA fixing the 2002 Kings-Lakers' series - what about the McC?
It seems like every time you turn around there's some questionable officiating calls usually benefitting the Lakers or some other large-market team...And then you have the inexplicable trades like Gasol going to the Lakers for next to nothing or its Ewing going to the Knicks in the lottery, etc. etc. not sure i believe Donaghy yet, but i think there's some funny business going on in the NBA....
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me, too. Rock Chalk Jayhawk, and f the NBA.
To answer the question, however, I think they do. I have to admit, I though Jose Canceco was full of shit, and threw a bunch of crap against the wall just hoping something would stick. I was wrong. I now give much more creditbility to sources who I otherwise would not.
On the other hand
Matt Walsh seems to have been full of…it.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The good thing about college basketball
is that you don’t have to wonder if there’s something funny going on, there just is.
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It's entertainment
Who cares? It’s similar to the Barry situation in that all the fuss over it is just ridiculous (especially with Congress involved w/ Barry) because most of us just want to be entertained. That’s how I feel, at least.
It’s also interesting that Donaghy didn’t work that game yet claims to know it was fixed. Although there may have been some questionable calls (I don’t remember it real well), the montage of clips they showed on ESPN while they commentated on it didn’t actually show any questionable calls. The Kings actually did foul the Lakers. As far as the free throw disparity goes, remember that much of that involved late-game Hack-A-Shaq.
All in all, I think people just like to have an excuse for why their team loses. I know I do when my team loses.
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the NBA sucks
I would say that the NBA was losing credibility if it had any credibility to lose in the first place. The league is obviously a joke. That being said, if the league actually produced good and exciting basketball that was watchable (like the NCAA does), I would still watch it in spite of the obvious credibility issues. It’s the fact that the product is terrible that keeps people from watching it.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2008 1:59 PM PDT reply actions
it is going to be interesting to see how the media covers this
when the Donaghy story initially came out last summer it got almost no coverage after David Stern held that news conference and basically told everybody “fuck off, there is nothing to see here.” That makes perfect sense because all of these media outlets that might usually be inclined to report a story like this are business partners of the NBA, for instance ESPN/ABC makes a ton of money broadcasting games, HBO and CNN are owned by Tim Warner who also own the Atlanta Hawks and TNT which broadcasts games, and so on. So it stands to reason that they wouldn’t want to aggressively investigate and report something that could hurt the league so badly. I’m thinking the league gets another free pass here and next year the last few people who actually watch the NBA just go right on blissfully believing that it is some kind of legitimate sport.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2008 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
We live in a new age of journalism where no one will stand-up to a large entity like the NBA unless they have access and can produce the smoking gun. ESPN does not really report the news, unless it benefits them. Rather they create the news for their ratings and in-essence sensationalize much of what they do report as analysis. They rarely oppose who they are in bed with, unless the public sentiment will flow or has gone against them. David Stern is called a strong commissioner because everyone kowtows to his whims, but he’s exceptional at deflecting criticism by holding his stooges to his company line. Many fail to recognize that this whole Donaghy situation rips at the core of the integrity of officiating and whether this is or ever has been systematic. It doesn’t surprise me that many of the talking heads at ESPN are the first to deny this is an issue “because Donaghy is a convicted felon”. But that is exactly the reason they should at least withhold judgment on this. How do these “insiders” know Stern is squeaky clean? That Donaghy doesn’t have anything to add? A person like Stephen A. Smith is a reporter and he should show some journalistic integrity as a reporter to follow-up on a story like this rather than be ESPN’s know nothing, accept everything company mouthpiece that covets a paycheck before showing he can put his skills to use outside of making his mouth move.
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Hmm there is nothing new about that kind of Journalism. It is called Yellow Journalism.
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.
There is nothing new about it
but it is a shame, none the less. The 24 hour news cycle brought on by CNN has reduced our attention span to about 30 seconds, and our “news” to lurid pictures of celebutards without panties. It wouldn’t surprise me if Stern was up to his ass in corruption, but as flu pointed out, nobody will take them on for fear of losing $$. That’s why the only interesting investigavtive reporting that’s captured widespread attention is the steroids issue. If it were really important (like billion wasted in Iraq, loose nukes in Russia, plight of FAA instilaations) we just don’t care. Not sexy enough.
Rant over, stepping off my soap box now.
agreed
Welcome to the Rupert Murdock "New" World Order. Where the Minister of Information is privatized so as to be unanswerable to completion or people in general.
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.
wow, I didn’t mean to start a discussion about journalism and its role in creating an informed citizenry in a democratic society or anything like that. We don’t deal with worthless pedestrian topics like that here, we discuss only the important issue of baseball!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 13, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I will eat my crow now.
Thank you for the coarse correction.
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
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The association is self packaged to meets its need
Another thing the NBA did a few years back is change the opening round series from 5 to 7 games. It was widely believed to be done so the LA Fakers would be certain in a 7 game series. This change was done not before the season began but about 2 months prior to the playoffs.
I'm a fan of the 7-game series
Isn’t it more important that the better team emerges from a series? You avoid teams on a hot streak beating out better teams this way.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Seven games series is fine. The problem was the NBA changed from a 5 game series to a 7 game series in Jan or Feb when the playoffs were to commence in April. They should have changed it prior to the beginning of season and not during the season.
I know this is O.T. from the O.T. thread but..
I would be real happy if MLB made the opening post season round 7 games. Shrink the regular season back down to 154 if they have to or hold double headers again. I don’t think the best record in the league gets a just reward with a short series against the Wild card. The Wild Cad team almost never backs into the post season and playing a "hot" team in a short series just does not seem fair to me. It is beginning to annoy me almost as much as the D.H. rule.
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.
I agree they need to make the opening series 7 games
baseball is the one sport where a 5 game series is fundamentally different than a 7 game series
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 13, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve watched thousands of baseball, football and basketball games. I’ve seen bad calls in all these sports, but never thought that the calls in football or baseball were anything other than incompetence. Basketball is different. I have seen so many bad calls that I’ve thought many a game was fixed. Either the NBA hires absolute fools to referee their games, or Donaghy is indeed telling the truth.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 12, 2008 4:12 PM PDT reply actions
thank the good Lord I'm not the only one around here...
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Conspiracy Theorist?
When the game is in so much control by the officials, it is easy to see how easily it could be done. I think in the NBA it is more obvious with only 10 players out there & contact is supposed to be at a minimum. Ticky-tack calls are more open for debate. But the NFL officiating is just as bad. Heck, an official can throw his flag on every play. In both sports, a game’s outcome is often defined by how the officals call the game.
In baseball, not so much. Sure you can have umps with shitty strike zones. But it’s often shitty for both teams. When it’s one-sided, it’s quite obvious. BUT, even if an ump was trying to fix the game, he can’t make the other team score runs. He could force the opposing pitcher to throw right down the middle of the plate, but the hitter still has to hit the ball. And he could smack that ball as hard as he wants, but there’s no guarantee of a home run, hit or if he grounds into a double play. The only way to truly get control of the outcome of the game, you need the pitchers in on it. And that’s too many people for a conspiracy. But of course, MLB doesn’t need fixing. It’s financial structure is beneficial to major markets already. The big markets are constantly in the playoffs.
I used to be a NFL & NBA fan. But within the past few years, it’s just too much of a coincidence. The Patriots tackling the Rams receivers at the line of scrimmage, the Lakers handed the series against the Kings & Blazers & Pau Gasol, the Tuck Rule, Spygate, Donaghy…..
Let’s just say the NBA was broken when David Stern was asked to fix it.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
Whateve interest I had in the NFL ended during the Seahawks/Steelers Super Bowl. I really didn’t care who won the game, but one of two things were totally clear to me that night. 1) the games were fixed OR 2) the refs were so incompetent they gave the game away. Either way, I don’t care anymore.
It also just wasn’t that good of a superbowl.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I cant wait to see Kobe crying after they get beat again. I Hate the Lakers as much as I hate the Dodgers
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by joeytothelimit on Jun 12, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Again....
These are the two teams competing for the NBA championship and they both missed how many shots?!
Yeah, lets hear the NBA homers talk about how much “better” the pro’s are than the collegians in the clutch. The NCAA Tournament puts these “playoffs” to shame, year-in and year-out no matter the end result.
By the time these Finals are over, all of our World War II vets will be dead, buried and half decomposed.
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by sectionop92 on Jun 12, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
all I can say is ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!
Ahhh…best win in the history of the world (for me, anyway)
The NBA has to be the hard game to referee on the planet. The speed, the amount of action going on and any player can have the ball in the next hart beat.
That said I lost interest in it years ago. When a "name" vet palms the ball and steps 3 times form the yards behind the top of key and that fine. When a 2nd year man gets bumped and his pivot foot slides is a walk I had enough. They really are not far enough from professional wrestling in my eyes. Both take some serious athletic gifts to perform. Both can be entertaining. The referees in both can provide nice comic relief if you are not taking it too seriously.
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.
Gasol: most overrated big man ever?
I’ve never seen such a harolded 7-footer look to immediately pass the ball every time he touches it. I heard he was soft, but for goodness sake, that was ridiculous. He’s afraid to take it to the basket agains PJ Brown….PJ BROWN!!!
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 13, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
And the Academy Award goes to....
Paul Pierce for his dual role as Willis Reed’s #2 and a flailing European soccer player
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To defend the NBA a little ...
IMHO, NBA basketball at its best is at better than NCAA basketball at its best. Particularly during the regular season. I’d personally rather watch a random Warriors-Lakers or Suns-Rockets regular season game than a random Duke-Wake Forest or Arizona-Oregon game.
Yeah, the officiating is uneven, and it’s a little too easy to believe Donaghy’s allegations. But NBA basketball, when done right, is wildly entertaining.
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