Giants Reportedly Sign Dominican Prospect
by Anticon23 on Jun 12, 2008 9:00 AM PDT
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According to ESPN , the Giants have agreed to terms with 16-year old outfielder Rafael Rodriguez.
Comment: To many, he is a duplicate of Vladimir Guerrero because of his size and power with the bat. Rodriguez can work the entire outfield and drive the ball anywhere. He has reportedly accepted an offer from the San Francisco Giants worth $2.5 million.
Wow. Looks like we might have struck gold. Now I need to get to 75 words . . .ok, good.
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Another Dominican diaper dandy. I like it. For all that cash money he’d better be like a mini Vlad.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or a Maxi-Vlad.
with wings.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would this signing be any good if we only used him for seven days every month? Three if you’re on a certain type of drug.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is you crazy?
Seven days???? I can barely handle three!
by wilriv21 on Jun 12, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's no fun
Why do you think I turned to drugs man?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my eyes...
are now bleeding :-(
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 12, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not supposed to come out of there…
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better that than the ears.
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Jun 12, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big V has a playmate
Really appreciate that SF has budgeted some monies for procurement of top available talent.
by wilriv21 on Jun 12, 2008 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Take Raf and V to the swings and share juice boxes?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Does he come with sais and an impatient attitude?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2008 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hm the Giants did draft a fellow named Leonardo Ochoa. We might be halfway to the quartet.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we bring back Dusty and his toothpick
we could nickname him “splinter” !
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Peter Angelo’s son Michael available?
by hammystyle on Jun 12, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
$4 million for Michel Inoa, from the A’s? Wow. I read a blurb on Baseball America today about Inoa and he’s pretty impressive. Both parentals are crazy good athletes themselves.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NEWS FLASH
Oakland willing to hand $4MM to one guy, reportedly in one instance.
Shock and amazement made from accross the Bay. More on this at 6 o’clock.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would like to know where this magical money is coming from, for them. Besides $4 mil is a lot for one of these dudes. It’s a lot, period! I’d like $4 mil.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's payroll, 2007: 73.5 million
A’s payroll, 2008: 48 million
and on top of that, they had fewer high draft picks.
The A’s actually have cash out the wazoo right now. I’m hoping they’ll spend it to go over-slot as needed on their draft picks.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jun 12, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Winfield is showing the second-tier prospects around the Padres’ Dominican facility and telling the kids, “You sign with us, you can come to this classroom after you play”. And then they ask, “To play Xbox?” And Winfield replies, “No, to learn about America.” Then the players burst out laughing and ask if they can leave.
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Jun 12, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOunds good
I hope they sign Jemile Weeks for $25.5M
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"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 12, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was Petey Paramore, I’d ask for bonuses tied to the bands performance.
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Jun 12, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodriguez can work the entire outfield and drive the ball anywhere.
He can play CF!!!! Yes!!!
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2008 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Then we need to start working him out at 2B!
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
by Lyle on Jun 12, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now let’s get that Cuban defector dude.
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2008 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony Montana?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep it in your pants, buddy
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your womb is so polluted!
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Jun 12, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, no
Hanna Montana
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Age authentication also necessary.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Zito is on the case
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He loves the girls ladies
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe should have save that money for Posey
by SF Fan on Jun 12, 2008 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure money was allocated before the decision was made to draft Bustah
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhymes?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
word
and bird
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he guests on a track on Tha Carter III
it’s actually pretty good
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should have given it to me
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payroll savings
Giants had said budget would be mid-90’s for 2008 but ended up around $85-87M (what I heard) so they saved around $8-10M on the payroll this year, just the money they will need to sign Rodriguez, Posey, Gillaspie, Kieschnick, and the rest.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 12, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how accurate espn is
but they have our current payroll listed as 76,194,000.
by superk1ng on Jun 12, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank Goodness
Now we can stop pinning all our hopes and dreams on AnVil.
Speaking of which, our new aquisition needs a nickname….
Proud supporter of the Fightin' Hydrants.
by Little Napoleon on Jun 12, 2008 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anvil? Old news. Rafael Rodriguez is the wave of the future!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t wait for the sports story: Giants genetically engineer slugger; will give Millions in signing bonus after successful birth.
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by Little Napoleon on Jun 12, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i vote for ninja
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walrus Man Approved.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Freezing Giants Blog
by WalrusMan on Jun 12, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
go ninja go ninja go
+1
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Jun 12, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever seen a turtle get down?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
say what you willl
cracker could bust a goddamn move.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 12, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I hear Rafael, I think of the great Renaissance painter or the sai wielding Ninja Turtle.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I like it.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 12, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait for it....
Ra – Rod!
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on Jun 12, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for Raf-Rod
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jun 12, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SAY CAR RAM ROD!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft
I appreciate that in the past few years the Giants are spending money and energy in the DR and other Latin American countries. However, isn’t it about time that a draft of foreign born players is instituted so that big money teams don’t dominate this market?
by APGiantsFan on Jun 12, 2008 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It is time.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, it’s time to put these guys in the draft pool rather than just make it a bidding war.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Having these kids in the draft would still make it a bidding war, or have you not noticed teams being cheap and being subject to draft picks bonus demands and so bypassing them in the draft, and having great talent fall to teams who have the budget to pay them. At least in this market, if teams do their homework, they can sign guys for less in front of teams with higher budgets like the Bostons and New Yorks of the world. Like how the Giants got Villalona for less money because he was comfortable with the scout who discovered him.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually agree with you in philosophy
as an ardent capitalist I don’t think there should even be a draft, philosophically speaking, there should just be an open market for all of these guys to offer their services to the highest bidder. But from a competitive balance standpoint, it doesn’t make much sense to have the draft for American players, ostensibly to benefit the weaker teams, and then make the international market that has become some important the last 10 or 20 years a free for all. I think they should stick to one approach or the other.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
teams are not competing bodies in the same manner as rival corporations. All are franchises of the same entity, much as separate McDonalds’ or Applebees. The whole is as strong as the weakest franchise, and thats why the Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays this year are filling so many people with joy
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jun 12, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was kind of important before
When players like Juan Marichial, Roberto Clemente, Tony Oliva, the Alou Brothers, and other significant Latin American players.
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"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 12, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the current system is fine. I think the competitive balance is fine too. It’s not like the big spenders have a huge advantage, IF these smaller market teams decided to actually spend money, there wouldn’t be as big a discrepancy. The Marlins for instance have the ability to spend money. They just choose not to. Same can be said of the Royals, who just now are starting to spend money on players, as they’ve drafted a Boras client 3 years in a row in the first round. The Twins have money, but Karl Pohlad is a cheapskate. Revenue sharing has helped too obviously, but I think some of these teams cry poor just a little much.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, some teams are cheap
But just because the Royals or Twins want to make a profit a little more than they want to compete, does not mean that the competitive imbalance is not there.
Let me put it this way, if two boys are building their own soap box derby racers and one was middle class while the other was rich and they each had to use their own money to buy the materials and the middle class boy had a small allowance while the rich boy had a big old trust fund that he could access whenever he wanted to then the rich boy has a competitive advantage. (run-on sentences FTW!) This would still be the case even if the middle class boy decides to keep some of his allowance to use elsewhere (whether saving it, buying candy or video games or buying a present for his mother).
Obviously what is not part of this analogy is revenue sharing. And any team that pockets revenue sharing money deserves our scorn. That still does not mean there is not a competitive imbalance.
Only 908 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jun 12, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True to an extent
Just because you have a lot of money to spend and spend it, does not mean that you spend it wisely. It just means your margin for error isn’t nearly as great as others because you can afford to make mistakes and fix them. Other teams don’t have that advantage, but I honestly think it makes teams do a better job. Because they have to make more calculated decisions.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In some ways, I think it makes a low budget team easier to operate. You have an escape valve built in if you don’t want to sign a popular player to a long term deal (see jason Giambi). Even the smartest organization has to face huge amounts of public pressure to retain their stars, and very few can cut the cord. Thus, the small market team cries poor (on a player they never ment to sign at all), and away they go.
by tyrannoman on Jun 12, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Brian Sabean show a few weeks ago
they asked him about this and he said it was tried in the 80’s but became a record-keeping nightmare and left a very bad impression on MLB, so they likely aren’t going to revisit the idea any time soon.
Delaying the disappointment: I adopt Hector Sanchez because he's only 17.
by tedfordfan on Jun 12, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that's a lot of money for a kid like this
I really like the fact that the Giants are being aggressive in international signings, that has contributed a lot to our farm system turnaround.
Nuekom was on KNBR a couple days after it was announced he was going to take over and they asked about the payroll and if it will stay at the same level. His response was that he thought they would continue to spend a similar amount of money on players but (this is a paraphrase not direct quote) “we are going to find a variety of ways to invest in talent” at which point Brian Murphy brought up Villalona. I think between these recent signings and what promises to be an expensive draft class (not shying away from tough sign guys) we’re starting to see that happen.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2008 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neukom
What I liked about another interview was he said that winning would be the criteria for business decisions for the Giants, then they will figure out how to do that. That suggests that they will raise money when necessary to do what they need to do. With his connections in the computer industry, he should be able to find new investors as needed, plus some might just reach out to him and let him know of their interest, just like how Neukom contacted Magowan long ago.
That sharply contrasts with the Tucker decision and the refusal to use the money they would have spent on Maddux on, say, a better RF than Tucker.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 12, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Tucker had two game winning grand slams in a week!
by tyrannoman on Jun 13, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow ... this is awesome
Even before this signing, Keith Law had the Giants far system as one of the top 5 assuming we get our draft picks signed. Adding another talent like this would only help bolster that comment.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jun 12, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no complaints.
A slight hesitation considering the risk and investment (especially with no birthday available), but no complaints.
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by BruteSentiment on Jun 12, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome his birthday is “N/A”
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by Chulk on Jun 12, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love this
I had been harping on the Giants unwillingness to spend money in Latin America for sometime over the previous 6 years or so. Up until 2 years ago they really weren’t doing much in LA. I think we were banned from the Dominican for awhile though because our former scouting director there had molested kids at the Giants Academy. I forget his name….
But I love that we’re focusing more and more on procuring talent out of Latin America. That is after all where a lot of the talent is coming from these days. While it is a risk, they are no bigger a risk than any draft pick. And at least with these kids there’s considerable upside with a lot of them.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Yeah, I think it was that perv that hurt the Giants image for a while, and they weren’t even players before, that’s why they hired him, to build their name again.
I don’t know that this is where a lot of talent is coming from, I think the draft has a lot more latent talent, but it certainly is where we can pick up good talent easily with money. The caveat there is that the Dodgers and Yankees have thrown a lot of money at prospects like Guzman, Wily Mo Pena, who don’t develop into the studs that their money would have suggested.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 12, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that it is where a lot of talent is coming from. While some of the bigger signings have been failures, there have been a BUNCH of very cheap signings from Latin America that have panned out for teams, and likely been much bigger acquisitions then the teams who signed them could have imagined. Like Liriano, the Giants I think signed him for only 15,000. If you look at most team’s top 30 lists, they are littered with international signings from Latin America, and the same goes for some of the best players in baseball. Guys like Vlad, Santana, Ortiz, Ervin Santana, Bartolo Colon, Reyes, Soriano, King Feliz, Volquez, K-Rod etc.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liriano
Liriano signed for a very large bonus at the time – close to one million dollars.
by APGiantsFan on Jun 12, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Liriano signing is still a record for an international amateur pitcher
that is until July 2 when Michel Iona officially breaks the record
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
Your right, it was for 900,000.
But still my main point is correct that there’s plenty of talent who get signed for far less then 1 mill, who turn out to be very good players.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Search Giants sign Liriano. The internets is a wonderful creation.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 13, 2008 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know that happened to Angel Joseph?
He had some immigration problems last year, when we signed him.
Jesse English: He is BAAAAAACCCCCKKKK!
by gianator on Jun 12, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Paperwork problems
As it has been reported before the Giants were unable to sign Angel Joseph, a promising young latino player, because of a paperwork dispute. This article from today’s NY Times states that the Giants did tender an offer but it was never consumated because Angel was unable to obtain a birth certificate.
Angel’s parents were born in Haiti and had immigrated to the Dominican Republic to work in the sugar cane fields. Apprently there is a crackdown by the Dominican government on Haitian immigrants including on their children even when they are born in the DR like Angel.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/world/americas/25dominican.html?hp
by slcgiant on Jun 12, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still holding out hope it will go through someway somehow in the future. The scouting report had me at “Alfonso Soriano”.
Olma Rosario; liking the cut of your jib since 2008
Free Angel Joseph from US immigration!
by Mr Scruff on Jun 12, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets sign more
why stop at 1 per year?
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by Azmanz on Jun 12, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he as good as AnVil?
Because if so, that leaves us with AnVil, Posey, Mad Bum, Timmy 2, Sosa, and this Rafael Rodriguez guy as top prospects. Me likey.
by boonitez on Jun 12, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if he’s as good, but if he signed for 2.5 mill, that’s 400,000 more than what Villalona signed for.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think so
Both for the money, as the other replier stated, but because the best description I saw with Angel was Andres Gallaraga, but Rodriguez is being compared to Vlad Guerrero. Much more desirable.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 12, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait… he also has power?
I hope this power isn’t coming at the expense of his speed and defense.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if he’s supposedly like Vlad at age 16, he has some speed then too.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salcedo?
What happened to that guy? I know the Indians were supposed to have signed him, but that turned out to be wrong. Is he a chupacabra? Can he not be seen by mortal eyes?
I only bring this up because when I saw this post I thought it would be about Salcedo.
by tyrannoman on Jun 12, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he a chupacabra? Can he not be seen by mortal eyes?
He must be Kitspool.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently
Salcedo is older than once thought and he’s not really creating buzz anymore and the Indians deny having reached an agreement with him.
The Indians could also leave a large footprint on this year’s international signing class, though one formerly hot name who had been linked to them seems to have lost much of his luster. Several international sources have said the Indians had agreed with Dominican shortstop Edward Salcedo for a $2.9 million deal earlier this year, but months later no deal has been announced.Nearly a dozen international scouts, agents and front-office officials have told Baseball America they believe Salcedo is older than his reported age of 16. Agent Scott Boras, whose Scott Boras Corp. represents Salcedo, said in March that Salcedo’s documents are in order, but for now he remains unsigned.
Major League Baseball acknowledged two and a half months ago that it was investigating Salcedo’s personal documentation—a routine process for Latin American signees—while rumors of Salcedo’s signing with the Indians began back in February. The Indians have not acknowledged any agreement with Salcedo, and all indications are that Salcedo is no longer generating big buzz on the international scene.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update. I’ve been mildly curious since the Indians disavowed the signing.
by tyrannoman on Jun 13, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope this kid signs with you guys....
Cause if he ends up signing somewhere else its gonna look really bad for this board. Remember the signing period does not officially begin until July 2nd and its possible someone comes in with a better offer… just like the A’s are guarenteed nothing atm just because they make the news doesn’t mean thats how things will end up. I remember how we were connected to Wallace/Hicks in the draft and ended up with Weeks(warming up to him now but still…) and you guys were talking up Smoak and got Posey. Just don’t celebrate prematurely.
by AthleticsReign on Jun 12, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are we journalists here?
All valid points and such. But I really won’t be embarrassed if this ends up being false.
Mostly I’ll be disappointed.
Only 907 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jun 12, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, thehavenot, don’t you realize yet? Every single thing everybody says on this site has to be accurate and true, even the stuff nobody agrees about, even all the subjective crap, otherwise it will reflect poorly on all of us!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think this guy is logically impaired
Only 907 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jun 12, 2008 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s on the internet then by god it’s true!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
excpet for that Monkey's Uncle Story.
How much more of a Disney story can you get?
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.
by daveinexile on Jun 14, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
was it it exactly that we on this board should be embarrassed about?
ESPN reports:
"He has reportedly accepted an offer from the San Francisco Giants worth $2.5 million."if they are wrong how in the hell does that reflect on us??
nobody guaranteeing anything and nobody comes to McC for news, its a freaking blog….
by slojoe on Jun 12, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH-EM-JEE
The reputation of this blog site is in jeopardy!
I’ll jump off the Bay Bridge if we don’t sign Rafael.
It’s all in the hands of that 16 year old kid!!!!!1111
Oh well look at the time. It’s beer o’clock.
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy
I can’t wait for the lovely visitors we’ll have when we start playing the A’s tomorrow.
by Natto on Jun 12, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the Athletics' supporters?
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE™ returns!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll just reinforce my feelings about the A’s.
Which is to say, I don’t have anything against the team.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won’t you have a piece of pie? It came right from the sky.
Dude, if you’re gonna shit all over someone for saying “wow this might be really cool” when nobody’s going out and printing up Rodriguez jerseys quite yet, you miss the point of being a fan. How dare we posit about a possible signing from a credible source? How dare we consider the implications of such an aquisition. We’re just assholes, aren’t we? Can I please please please have your forgiveness?
And to think…I’ve already taken my paid meds. If I was still in my regularly scheduled raging leg pain, I wouldn’t have been so nice.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. I'm beginning to think I was way too nice.
Only 907 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jun 12, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My seething rage might be more effective if I could spell correctly. Oh well, blame it on the drugs.
Oh and per this AthleticsReign guy’s logic, we’re not allowed to be excited about any carbon-based life form until he’s signed sealed and delivered to the Giants? Gerald Posey? Brandon Crawford? Not even Leo Ochoa! Oh god what a world.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look sorry if I was coming off as a douche
I was just saying don’t count your ducks until they hatch. I didn’t say you couldn’t be excited. Being excited is what following a team is all about. I dunno maybe I’m too superstitious, personally I don’t like to jinx something until its actually in hand.
by AthleticsReign on Jun 13, 2008 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think pie is a wonderful idea
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2008 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sourcing on this is pretty thin. Don’t get me wrong; I’m happy to hear it. But the signing period is a few weeks away, and saying someone “reportedly” agreed to a contract isn’t the same as having the player in hand.
by Dan from NM on Jun 12, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t having the player in hand what got us into trouble in the Dominican in the first place?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was having our main scout in the Dominican being convicted of child molestation charges.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hobbes2d, meet howtheyscored
He likes word jokes that are really sex jokes.
If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?
by groug on Jun 12, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also likes sex jokes that are also word jokes.
Actually, I don’t think howtheyscored has come across a type of joke that he hasn’t liked, yet.
This type is a “funny” joke.
Seriously. I laughed aloud at this one, Howie. (The kids say “lol.” Which is a stupid word) And I don’t usually do that with humor on the internet.
Only 907 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jun 12, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a very good one. Though there might be a “one in hand two in the bush joke” floating around too.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, that is how I started.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to go for around a 30/70% split with my funny/other kind of joke ratio. I figure as long as I’m batting .300, I’m probably doing alright,
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. Outsmarted again by howie.
by Dan from NM on Jun 12, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am excited. We need to do this more often.
Can I adopt him prior to him officially signing?
Brett Pill - Lord of the double.
by malarky on Jun 12, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone
Baseball America says the Padres are ready to pounce on three big name Dominican/Latino prospects. No names mentioned, though…anyone know anything about this? I’ll believe the Mads will shovel money away for real talent when I see the press release(s).
As for the A’s fans, down here they tend to be wanna-be cool, college douchebags who spike their hair with way too much hair gel and look like pasty white gorillas because they visit GNC way too much and develop paunches between lifting and vegging out. I just let them cry and act as a support group leader who knocks their self-confidence to a level lower than that of a Georgia bumpkin or on par with Nancy Grace.
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Jun 12, 2008 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I love you.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I exist to watch sports and crack “Home Movies” lines on people.
That is how I spread my love…and hate!
it's always noonan somewhere
by sectionop92 on Jun 13, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I similarly thrive on throwing around bitchery and vituperation.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only pirates get scurvy!
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Jun 14, 2008 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the article says “he has accepted the offer” I think it’s pretty fair to assume that the player is a Giant. I’m not saying another team wouldn’t do it, but it would be kind of unethical for someone else to now swoop in with a better offer after the player and agent have accepted the offer, and it would also be unethical for the agent and player to change their mind. I would assume the teams would not operate like this. They all had chances to make Rodriguez a better offer, and they all chose not to do it. Why would they suddenly make an effort to sign the player now, after he has said negotiations are over?? Can A’s fans please be sore losing assholes on their own board and not ours??
Brian Sabean's new dad: Firm believer in corporal punishment
by rxmeister on Jun 13, 2008 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well by my understanding it would be unethical (and illegal!) to have given an offer and had it accepted before the legal negotiation date I hardly think we would be able to complain about fair play if somebody came in and beat our offer.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Jun 13, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh....
Dibs
Mike Loree: Gotta take someone with a 50th round pick.
by BrianBokake on Jun 13, 2008 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here we go
Rafael Rodriguez: Vlad Guerrero on layaway?
by BrianBokake on Jun 13, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Barr given the green light
John Barr has the financial backing from ownership to be aggressive in international signings.
Giants scouting director John Barr said he has the financial backing from ownership to be aggressive in signing international free agents, but he denied a report that the Giants have agreed to a $2.5 million bonus to sign Dominican teenage outfielder Rafael Rodriguez.Barr said he has not reached deals in principle with any international free agents, though he confirmed that Rodriguez has worked out at the Giants’ Dominican complex and the club has interest. The international signing period begins July 2.
“We intend to play by the rules,” Barr said.
Rodriguez reportedly has drawn comparisons to Vladimir Guerrero because of his combination of size, athleticism and power potential. Barr said Rodriguez couldn’t sign until July 13, when he turns 16.
Whether it’s Rodriguez or other international free agents, Barr said he has the bankroll to compete for the top talent.
“We are going to exhaust all avenues to get the best players for this organization,” Barr said.
by wilriv21 on Jun 13, 2008 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Money
Woo hoo, great news.
And hey, if ESPN can mess up on a report, I feel a little better about myself when I misspell a word or something in one of my own reports.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words.....
If a deal has been reached, the Giants are not at liberty to say because the period for signing international free-agents has not begun yet. And thus would constitute cheating! But everyone does it. I seem to remember hearing Villalona had agreed to a deal early because he was buddy buddy with our Scout down there who’d know him for like 3 years.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 13, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s amazing news. a few big signings aside, i’ve felt for awhile that the giants have been behind a lot of teams in international scouting lately.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Jun 14, 2008 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What have you done with our Sabean front office? And you keep doing it longer?
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.
by daveinexile on Jun 14, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, this team is doing everything right lately. It’s weird. Makes me… nervous.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Jun 13, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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