Pitcher Analysis: Tim Lincecum

The 98 mph fastball. The knee-buckling curveball. The leap off the mound. The electric arm.
Based on readers’ comments and repeated emails about Lincecum, I don’t need to say much more. Check out the sickest curveball you’ll see this side of Josh Beckett after the break.
But first, a preview

Disgusting. More on that later.
Statistical Analysis
I won’t spend too much time on this, since people primarily want to see his mechanics, but it’s worth noting a few things. Lincecum is 8-1 with a 1.99 ERA. Over 90.2 IP, he has 92 strikeouts, 35 walks, and only 3 HR allowed. His FIP is 2.57 which indicates he’s getting somewhat lucky on batted balls in play, but then again, most starters with a sub-2 ERA are going to be lucky. His rate stats are outstanding - K/9 of 9.13, BB/9 of 3.47, good for a K/BB ratio of 2.63. He is holding batters to a .310 SLG, which is laughably low. His BABIP is .308, but his eBABIP based on the formula .763LD% + .265GB% + .131FB%, his BABIP should be around .321 (data pulled from Fangraphs, as always), which confirms our initial suspicion of his luck on batted balls. 20.9% of batted balls off Lincecum are line drives, which is very high - last year he allowed 15.4% line drives.
Basically, Lincecum has the components of a great pitcher - high strikeout rate, manageable (and dropping) walk rate, and ability to depress XBH. Somehow I doubt you needed me to tell you that, though.
Pitch Analysis
Let’s check out his stuff: (pulled from Josh Kalk’s player cards)
| Type | Movement in x (in.) | Movement in z (in.) | Initial Speed (MPH) | Number Thrown | Percent | Versus RHB | Percent | Versus LHB | Percent |
| Fastball | -4 | 11.23 | 95.37 | 835 | 66.96 | 367 | 67.84 | 468 | 66.29 |
| Curve | 4.73 | -4.46 | 80.35 | 136 | 10.91 | 99 | 18.3 | 37 | 5.24 |
| Slider | 1.98 | 1.23 | 85.02 | 56 | 4.49 | 31 | 5.73 | 25 | 3.54 |
| Change | -3.61 | 5.31 | 83.6 | 220 | 17.64 | 44 | 8.13 | 176 | 24.93 |
As most right-handed pitchers attack batters, Lincecum utilizes his curveball against RHB more than LHB while using his changeup more frequently against LHB. (James Shields is an exception to this rule.) Though he doesn’t throw many sliders, he mixes it in there as a show-me pitch, which is a great way to keep hitters off-balance the third time through the lineup. His fastball is blistering with an average velocity of 95 mph and tons of backspin.
Lincecum’s release point is consistent amongst his pitches:

Though it varies a reasonable amount, all of his pitches are equally represented in the spread with the possible exception of fastballs released in the top left quadrant. That being said, it wouldn’t be something batters could pick up, especially given his windup and delivery.
On to his mechanics…
The Good Stuff - Mechanical Analysis
I’ve been fortunate enough to see Lincecum pitch for the University of Washington (I live in Seattle). He was absolutely dominating hitters at the college level, and at the time I thought his delivery was very weird (I didn’t know much about mechanics then). I wondered how his body would hold up to a long season despite his obvious focus on conditioning and training. Here’s what he looked like back then:

He looks pretty much the same these days, of course - replete with huge stride and lightning-fast arm.
After analyzing his mechanics a bit closer, I noticed that he has a bit of an L-arm in his delivery:

Fortunately at footstrike, his arm is up and on time:

He doesn’t suffer from a timing problem in this regard.
Tempo
Lincecum is 18-19 frames from maximal leg lift to footstrike. Excellent.
Arm Action

Lincecum reverse-rotates his shoulders a bit more than I’d like, but again, his timing at footstrike does not suffer as a result, so it’s not that big of a deal. He does show the ball behind his back, however, so it’s easier for the batter to pick up the arm path. That being said, Lincecum also does a good job of hiding the ball as it comes up past his body by keeping his shoulders closed as long as possible and yanking his head out of the way at the last possible minute as he releases the ball from a very high 3/4 arm slot (which I like). Lincecum exhibits major horizontal abduction of the shoulder but keeps the elbow in line with or below the acromial line, so I can’t find fault there. His arm is lightning-fast, obviously. I give him a Very Good - Excellent grade - right on the border, since I question the L-arm and his significant horizontal abduction, but only slightly.
Ball Release / Followthrough

Lincecum gets on top of the ball as he throws from that high arm slot, and though I see signs of pronating his curveball through release, it’s impossible to tell for sure on 30 FPS video. What we can see is that he points the PAS shoulder at the target and keeps his momentum moving forward, brings his leg around, and has a good initial glove position, setting himself up for a solid followthrough phase. Excellent ball release phase.
In the followthrough phase, he decelerates his arm uniformly across his body and against a firm glove side - his left elbow only yanks back after the pitching arm slaps against his back. Note how the glove finishes at the shoulder after release? Perfect. He has serious intent to throw the ball hard, which is great, but he also keeps his eye on the target and is able to watch for comebackers in case he has to field a bunt or defend himself against line drives. Excellent.
Conclusion
Lincecum’s mechanics are basically perfect. His stuff is ridiculous. Here are the nine teams that picked over him and who they took instead:
- Royals: Luke Hochevar. The Boras holdout doesn’t even come close.
- Rockies: Gregory Reynolds. A control pitcher who strikes out few and is very hittable. Pass.
- Rays: Evan Longoria. Can’t complain here.
- Pirates: Brad Lincoln. Derailed by arm surgery, he’s having a decent year at Low-A. At age 23.
- Mariners: Brandon Morrow. Ignoring that they totally mishandled him (and continue to do so), he is not as good as Lincecum, though he is having a good year.
- Tigers: Andrew Miller. Terrible mechanics, poor performance.
- Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw. This might be the only pitcher that could outperform Lincecum, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
- Reds: Drew Stubbs. .786 OPS in A+ at age 23? No thanks.
- Orioles: William Rowell. Hahahhahahahahaha.
When I see this list and look at Lincecum, I am reminded of this line from Moneyball:
“What gets me really excited about a guy is when he has warts, and everyone knows he has warts, and the warts just don’t matter.” -Paul DePodesta
Some teams need to remember that it’s not always what you could be. It is what you have done.
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Excellent
Thanks for posting this, DM. Always nice to see analysis that supports what we see with our eyeballs.
And more matieral for SharksRog’s shrine!
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by Lyle on Jun 12, 2008 6:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
..or material. Probably some of both.
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by Lyle on Jun 12, 2008 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel kind of bad
I feel kind of bad about this shrine thing. But I WILL ask this question:
Did anyone else here have tears literally come to their eyes when they saw Tim merely throw long toss for the first time? That is what that grainy 41-second video shot at Cal did to me. ONE long toss, and you would have thought my best friend had overcome the worst of life’s travails to find love and happiness.
I finally figured out it was the effortless release followed by the loud pop of the catcher’s glove 120 or so feet away. But whatever it was, it brought out emotions I hadn’t felt about a Giants prospect since Willie Mays (not that I was old enough to know him as a prospect, although I did first watch him play in about 1956).
Right now the biggest thing in Tim’s hometown of Renton, Washington is Jimi Hendrix’s grave site. I expected it to be rather obscure, but it is actually a shrine that someone spent a whole lot of money on. But one day Renton will be known for something else.
by sharksrog on Jun 12, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
False idols
Not quite tears, but when I saw him pitch in person for the first time, that start at home against Roy Oswalt, I felt like it was the beginning of something big. I got caught up in the excitement and energy in the ballpark, something I hadn’t felt for years. I believed. And I don’t believe in anything. I don’t believe in love, the hereafter, or anything else people live and die for. I believe in Tim.
Though if he ever does throw a perfect game, I probably will burst into tears as the final out is recorded.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Tim and all, but Renton will always be known for Jimi. Though I’ll have to reconsider this if he starts catching balls with his teeth.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jun 13, 2008 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sharksrog, we’re just busting your chops in a good natured way about your following of Tim. I bet there were even people who busted John the Baptist when he was saying “hey guys, Jesus is good. Listen to him.”
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Sharkrog, I’m just bustin’ your chops all in good-natured fun. Your devotion to Tim is cute! :-P
Here’s my imagagine you watching Tim’s starts: You sit there with the Tivo/DVR remote in hand. As soon as the last out in a 1/2 inning Tim pitches is over, you hit “rewind” and watch it all over agina instead of watching the Giants ABs. Oh yeah, you pull the phone out of it’s jack and don’t answer the doorbell, either.
I’m right, aren’t I?
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by Goofus on Jun 13, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t make a mixtape called Boner Jams ‘03.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y’all ready for this?!
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by Goofus on Jun 13, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAN touch this!
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2008 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're darn close, Goofus!
You’re darn close, Goofus. Twice that I can remember I got caught in a refereeing commitment and had to catch up mid-game on TIVO. Both times I watched Tim pitch and did indeed fast-forward through the Giants’ at bats until I caught up.
I TIVO all of Tim’s games even while I watch them. That way I can go back and chart them later without interfering with my enjoyment while watching the game live.
I do leave the phone, but I don’t answer it unless it were something critical—at which point I would hit the pause button. Answer the doorbell? Not very darn likely.
You didn’t hit it 100%, Goofus, but I’ve got to say you really, really called it. I’m a bit disappointed I’m so predictable. :)
by sharksrog on Jun 13, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Photoshopping in of the photo on the wall.
by Scottsdale on Jun 12, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew SOMEBODY still had access to that photo I found….
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by Lyle on Jun 12, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, great info
i also just checked some of his stats:
2nd in ML in ERA
2nd in ML in Strikeouts
also, every start he has had (his first “start” actually wasn’t a start, he came out of the pen to throw 4 innings because of that whole weather situation in LA) he has not gone less than six innings in any start. and 6 of his 12 starts he has gone 7+ innings.
he is flat out filthy. and he is only making $405,000 this year. get this guy locked up long term now Sabes!!!! don’t jerk him around with contract negotiations.
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by Cynema the Band on Jun 12, 2008 7:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a very strong feeling that Timmy will not sign anything less than a blockbuster deal at this point. As you point out, he’s making $405K this year. What do you think he’ll make year after next (or next if he qualififes as a Super Two) in arbitration? I think he’ll go down that road before signing a long term deal.
by tyrannoman on Jun 12, 2008 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank Zito when the Giants aren’t able to lock Tim into a long term deal.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you zito
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by Cynema the Band on Jun 12, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as the team continues to develop
they will have no trouble signing him.
He is very happy to play and we are the team to give him that chance. Why would he want to change anything?
by positiveuphemism on Jun 12, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the last time
it’s not Zito’s fault. It’s management’s.
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by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me rephrase that
Zito’s contract
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Zito deal would stop us being able to lock Tim up to a long term deal. He’s still got a long time until free agency & i doubt Zito’s deal would stop us from being able to finance his arbitration years. And when Tim does reach free agency & become very expensive, Zito’s contract will be over! So we’ll still be able to sign Tim to a long term deal.
I’ll repeat that because it’s a statement including Zito’s contract that’s actually a positive one:
Barry Zito’s contract will be over before Tim Lincecum reaches free agency.
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by GiantFan on Jun 13, 2008 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m buying a round of drinks for everyone when that day happens… and bill it to Zito.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 13, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brian
If Brian had followed my advice, which of course he doesn’t, he would have tried to sign Tim up long-term over a year ago. Unlike many, I felt Tim was a fine performance and health risk and that his price would only escalate as he became more established.
My sense is that Brian has cost himself many millions by not following my advice. Then again, it probably hasn’t cost him quite as much as his not taking my advice and signing Barry Zito anyway.
But can you imagine how much Tim would be worth when he potentially becomes a free agent after the 2013 season? Given the way salaries are escalating, I could see as much as a quarter of a billion. I said well over a year ago that I felt Tim had a chance to earn a half billion dollars over his career—assuming he stays healthy, of course.
Is Tim pitching over his head? I said so when his ERA was under 1.50, and I will still say it with his ERA (barely) below 2.00. I think it is possible Tim could post a career ERA below 2.00—but I think he would need to throw as many first-pitch strikes as Greg Maddux (73%) in order to do so. Right now Tim is more of a 55% first-pitch strike guy.
Keep in mind that if Tim puts up an ERA below 3.00 over his career and pitches a fairly long time, he will become a top-tier Hall of Famer. If he were to post one below 2.00, he would be Walter Johnson.
I mean, can you imagine Tim Lincecum stuff with Greg Maddux control and command? It would make the game rather unfair to the other team, wouldn’t it?
Actually, over the winter I thought Tim would need to get up to around 70% first-pitch strikes to get to the 2.00 level. I’m thinking now he might be able to do so at about the 65% mark. If Tim gets a first-pitch strike, he becomes almost unhittable. He walks few batters when he gets his first pitch over, and I believe he has yet to allow a single home run this season after a first-pitch strike. Then again, he has allowed only three all season and is on pace to give up just seven on the year.
In comparison, the best Giants pitcher I have ever seen, Juan Marichal, gave up 24 homers in his second season, pitching about 30 fewer innings than Tim is on pace for.
Tim just gave up his 100th career walk last night, but his career K/BB ratio is a very fine 2.42. This season he has improved to a K/BB ratio of 2.63. Tim’s control and command have been so-so IMO. Yet his stuff, his competitiveness and just his presence has made him a Hall of Fame level pitcher(if he keeps it up for a dozen more years). Can you imagine how hard Tim would be to hit with better control and command?
Now Tim will need to improve the two “c’s,” since he eventually will lose speed on his fastball. But the loss of speed could be very gradual. Tim’s speed is actually UP this season from last year, and we shouldn’t forget that his dad, Chris, was clocked at 88 mph—in his 50’s.
Tim has added a pitch each of the past two winters, and I’m not sure he can keep that up even one more winter, but he DOES have a knuckle ball for when he enters his 60’s. :)
by sharksrog on Jun 12, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, no HR’s after an 0-1 count. His split between starting out 0-1 vs. starting 1-0 is insane. I realize that’s a pretty obvious statement, but it’s still awesome to look at. After an 0-1 count, Timmy has 46 IP, 55K, 7 BB, 0 HR. Yeah, if he gets a first pitch strike, you should probably just go back to the dugout, sit down, and wait for another try.
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by marcello on Jun 13, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine Tim Lincecum stuff with Greg Maddux control and command?
Yes, it’s called Pedro Martinez 1997-2003.
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by leftymalo on Jun 13, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong
You make a wonderful comparison there, Lefty. Clearly you are in your right mind.
But I think if Tim had Greg Maddux command, he would be even BETTER than Pedro during that period, and Pedro was better during that period than any pitcher during my lifetime.
Last season Greg threw about 73% first-pitch strikes, while Tim logged only about 55%. If Tim threw first-pitch strikes to nearly three out of four batters, how would they hit him?
by sharksrog on Jun 13, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
now, I love what the Kid is doing..
..but better than Pedro when he was Pedro? I don’t think you can be better. Pedro was so good, you can argue none has ever clearly been better.
by wcw on Jun 14, 2008 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I was a HUGE Pedro backer during his seven straight years of extreme dominance. He was even better during those seven seasons than Sandy Koufax was from 1961-1966.
He was so good that when he struggled a bit in that AL championship series in which the Yankees came back to beat him when Grady Little left him in too long that I said his arm was injured long before it came out. How did I know? He just wasn’t pitching like Pedro.
As much as I loved Pedro, I didn’t want the Giants to sign him when he became a free agent because I believed his arm was at too much injury risk for the money he would command.
But, wow, those seven years! Just fabulous. Fabulous.
But give Tim Lincecum the control to throw 73% first-pitch strikes instead his present 55% and he likely would walk few, hold batters below .200, give up almost no homers and likely be able to pitch seven or eight innings most times out by greatly reducing his pitches per inning.
I don’t believe Tim is as good as his 1.99 ERA would indicate. But I do believe that if he could throw 73% first-pitch strikes, he might be even BETTER than 1.99.
When Tim misses with his first pitch to a batter this season, he is good but not great. When he gets his first pitch over, it is nearly impossible to truly square him up. That’s because as good as his fastball is, his off-speed pitches are even better. And once he gets ahead, he is in position to utilize those off-speed pitches to great advantage.
When Tim has thrown a strike with his first pitch this season, he has held opponents to a .474 OPS. That likely translates to an ERA of 1.50 or below. And that, even with coupled with the 27% of plate appearances in which he wouldn’t be throwing strikes, is better than even Pedro was during Pedro’s fabulous seven-year run.
I agree with you that no one has ever been better than Pedro during that seven-year stretch. And Tim isn’t likely to change that. I would be delighted if he could get his first-pitch strike percentage halfway from his present 55% to Greg Maddux’s 73%. At 64% first strikes, I DO think Tim could pitch close to his present earned run average. And if he could consistently put up ERA’s around 2.00, he would indeed have surpassed Pedro.
At 73% first strikes, Tim would be a monster. Even though Tim’s walk rate last season was unbelievably lower than Maddux’s in Greg’s first full season, I would be SHOCKED if Tim ever approaches 73% first strikes. But if he ever did, the game would be highly unfair for hitters.
When Tim has thrown a first-pitch strike this season, he has limited opponents to
by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me likey watching the Enchanter embarrass fools
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 12, 2008 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pwning noobs.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Timanator

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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 13, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s completely badass. But still funny and dorky.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown trout
How’s the gyroball coming along?
Thanks for the great post.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jun 12, 2008 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
@ 89 MPH
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jun 12, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the risk of repeating myself
we watched Timmy and Cain throw knuckleballs to each other in Spring Training, and Lincecum’s had the craziest, most dramatic and unpredictable movement i’ve ever seen. One actually broke so far, it completely missed Cain’s glove, squirted under the fence, and hit me in the foot. Tim signed the ball, and it’s sitting on my dresser.
Sharksrog, let me know if you’re interested. ;-)
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by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Lincecum: knuckleballer
maybe he can pitch until he’s 50
by wcw on Jun 12, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me just sharksrog for a minute
Lincecum’s dad was clocked at 88 MPH when he was 55.
(Those stats might need a little correcting, but they’re approximately right)
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by groug on Jun 12, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has one
Tim does have a knuckler. I joked with his dad that he would need it to pitch into sixties to complement his (then) mid-80’s fastball.
by sharksrog on Jun 13, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Article
That was basically Giants fan porn, really.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 12, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fastballs are sexier. 100 on the gun=performance.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So chicks dig the strikeouts?
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by Lyle on Jun 12, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power pitchers are sexy, yes.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 12, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder Roger Clemens got so much 15 year old Booty
Only 907 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jun 12, 2008 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Viva Viagra
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 13, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the leg drive, isn’t it?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recommnding this fanpost just isn't enough recognition
This is a stellar analysis, and I really appreciate the work you put into this. It shows.
Thanks so much for sharing it.
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by delorean on Jun 12, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So I read through this post
Fantastic work, by the way.
But it seems that the scientific conclusion that can be drawn here is that Tim Lincecum is and shall always be the best pitcher ever.
Did I summarize the data adequately?
Only 907 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on Jun 12, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
87% say: yes.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 13, 2008 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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