Mad-Bum
by Osama91w9 on Jun 11, 2008 6:44 PM PDT
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Madison Bumgarner is now ranked 13th on Project Prospect's top prospect rankings
only 4 players from the 07 draft are ahead of him on the list Porcello, Price, LaPorta, and Wieters
Big V was also dropped from the list because of a lack of consistent contact. I am confident he will be the 40+ home run a year guy everyone wants him to be, but on another fanpost, people had him cracking the 2010 opening day roster.
I don't think he will reach the majors until 2012 or mid 2011 at the earliest
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Unless Big V makes a big jump, I think its unrealistic to expect him here by 2010. In 2011, he’ll still only be 20 for most of the year, that seems more likely, assuming he makes consistent improvement.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 11, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For comparison’s sake, Fernando Martinez was rushed to AA last year at 18, and he’s still there this year at 19. And probably will reach the majors sometime next year at age 20, and he hasn’t exactly lit it up with the bat so far either.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 11, 2008 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mad Bum also struck out 10 hitters and gave up zero runs in his first career CG tonight. The game was only 7 innings because it was the first in a double header.
by xanthan on Jun 11, 2008 7:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh that’s why it was over early, a double header. Ernie Banks would be proud. I was thinking maybe it was another one of those games where they called it due to darkness or a T-Storm.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 11, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole “Villalona will reach the show in 2010! No, not till 2012! No, it will be midseason 2011!” routine seems a bit silly at this point. No one has the slightest idea when he’ll be ready for the majors, if ever. He’s a long-term investment who is seriously overmatched in Low A right now. Why even try to project his future this far off?
Bumgarner, on the other hand, should be in the Giants rotation by August 2010, latest.
by Evan on Jun 11, 2008 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus apparently that HBP he took a week ago did some damage
Angel hasn’t made an appearance since 6/6. And yes, he has a long way to go and at this point could as easily go the way of Joel Guzman as … well, somebody good. I’d assume a good solid 5-6 year development curve to be on the safe, but optimistic, side.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 11, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But yeah, yahoo for Bumgarner!
and Timmy II, too.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 11, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m from LA, please do not use Guzman and Villalona in the same paragraph.
by wilriv21 on Jun 11, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It’s impossible to guess what kind of improvement he’s going to make in the offseason.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/miguel-cabrera.shtml
Just look at Cabreras stats, theres no way anyone would have predicted that kind of quick improvement.
by superk1ng on Jun 11, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice bit of research and a good point
And if anything, AnVil is actually a year ahead of Cabrera in development at the same age. With those who have exceptional natural talent, as AnVil is thought to have, it is sometimes just a matter of gaining some maturity and discipline, and then things click in and the player takes off, such as with Cabrera.
For those without such talent, the learning process can take longer as the players have to really work on improving their weak points and may have to repeat the same level(s) on their way to the majors.
That said, I hope the Giants do not rush AnVil. As another poster said, even in 2011 or 2012, he will still be only 20 or 21 for most of the season…way, way ahead of many other prospects. With the influx of faster moving talent in their farm system the Giants don’t seem to have any need to rush him.
by baseballjunkie on Jun 12, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he dominated tonight
7 ip, 4 hits, 10 k’s, 0 BB. he got the win.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 11, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Concerning AnVil...
is anyone else at all concerned with the authenticity of AnVil’s age? I haven’t seen anyone question it at all, and have no reason to except for the recent controversies with Tejada, and questions about the recent Cuban defector’s age, and discrepencies in the past, but I would be crushed if he wasn’t just 17 yrs old right now. are we just hoping it’s baby fat?
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Jun 11, 2008 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried.
As I understand it, they actually check these kinds of things now.
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by groug on Jun 11, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
the recent controversy with Tejada wasn’t a recent controversy at all. Along with literally hundreds of others, Tejada was caught up in State Dept.’s get tough visa policy post 9/11. He owned up to his real age with the government in 2002 and has been listed under the new (real) DOB in press guides for both the O’s and Astros for the past 6 years, however his age was typically still listed in accordance with his old, fraudulent age. The only reason the controversy happened this year rather than 6 years ago was that ESPN noticed the discrepancy in this year’s Astros press guide and jumped on him about it during an interview.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 11, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt count on that - you're talking about a 3rd world nation
they more concerned with trying to survive – a phony BC here or there, not that big a deal to them
by slojoe on Jun 12, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
The kid looks YOUNG.
You could never say that about Tejada.
¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on Jun 12, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, im not talking about Villalona though, just in general
i think its still going to happen here and there for a while…
by slojoe on Jun 12, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing for me… why would he go as young as 16? He could have said 18 if he was 18 (or 21) and get pretty much the exact same interest as he did end up getting.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true. They sign them as young as they can in Latin America. 18 makes them less attractive as FA signings.
Like with that Inoa kid that the A’s are rumored to be contenders to sign, they’re saying even if he was 18, he’d still get 1 mill. But he’s 16 and he’s likely to get 4 million. The younger they are, the more development time.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madison Bumgarner
This kid has the makings of an Ace. Hope he succeeds. Is there a chance that if Snyder or Pucetas get promoted to AA that Bumgarner could finish his season pitching for San Jose similar to what Jonathan Sanchez did back in 2005?
by wilriv21 on Jun 11, 2008 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would think so. There’s really no reason to keep him in Augusta for a full season if he is dominating everyone.
Unrelated topic, can anyone find anything on any draft picks we have signed thus far? I’m not willing to wait for BA to update their list.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 11, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a negotiation ploy, complete with heavy salivation by our GM
Brian Sabean got Posey to sign, all right —an autograph.
by Moggeee on Jun 11, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez was brought to SJ
specifically for the Cal League playoffs. Officially (because it wasn’t during the regular season) he never pitched in the Cal League. That maybe doesn’t quite express what I mean, but if you look up Sanchez’ minor league record, there’s no mention of a Cal League appearance and no stats from there count on his record.
If Bumgarner isn’t moved up there sooner, it does seem likely they might bring him up for the playoffs. But I wouldn’t be surprised ot see a few post-draft promotions coming in the next few weeks.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 12, 2008 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I have followed Sanchez career quite closely. He pitched the 2005 season for Low A Augusta and then was promoted to pitch in the playoffs for Advanced A San Jose. He pitched two outstanding playoff games in 2005 for San Jose then made the successful jump all the way up to AA to begin the 2006 season. Now top that Bummy!
by wilriv21 on Jun 12, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember, Sanchez was a college grad and 4 years older than Madison at the same level.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on Jun 12, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well understood and the reason I believe Bummy is the #1 organization prospect.
by wilriv21 on Jun 12, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience
I agree it is ridiculous to predict when either Mad Bum or AnVil will be in the show. Certainly not by 2010 for either one. We all know lefties usually take a bit longer to reach the show for some reason and AnVil will need at least 3 or 4 more years of seasoning.
by APGiantsFan on Jun 11, 2008 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mad bum
How could Alderson be left off this list?
by SF Fan on Jun 12, 2008 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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