Upgrade the 2 hole?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
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Was looking at some fantasy info, and found this:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/mlb/news?slug=mb-splitsville061008
Which made me think that the FO may be buyers at the deadline looking for someone in the 2 hole in the lineup to get on base in front of these guys. Also made me think that they aren't going to trade Winn or Molina at the deadline, unless the potential suitors were bowled over by their production.
As we all pretty much agree on, the FO wont get rid of Bengie, because they can't lose his production, and they dont have anyone to replace him at C, much less the leadership he provides to the young staff.
As far as Winn goes, though, he's not one to bowl you over or beat you over the head with his stats, I mean you'd actually have to do in depth looks to find that this guy is really having a semi-productive year, just on a mediocre-bad team. His defense goes unnoticed, his offense is steady, but not overwhelming on any level, and it'd be hard to get equal replacement level for him value-wise, even though we have Nate ready to take his place.
*sigh*
I think that, you have the team that will be on the field for the rest of the year, save injuries, callups, or minor acquisitions (see above). We just may even be buyers at the deadline yet.
So who on the current team or what minor acquisition would you like to see to fill the 2 hole?...(keep in mind that he has to fill a defensive spot as well.)
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I’m sorry but the phrase
“Fill the 2 hole” made me laugh, waaay too much.
Maybe use Durham in the 2-spot for now? His OBP is back up and he seems to be running OK.
1. Freddie LF
2. Ray 2B
3. Randy RF
4. Bengie C
5. Aaron CF
6. John 1B
7. Castilo 3B
8. Omar SS
9. Pitcher
That’s my lineup.
by xanthan on Jun 11, 2008 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or have Randy in the two hole
and have Ray at #3.
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by gianator on Jun 11, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray is running OK ... for now
until a pregnant lady in the stands looks at him crosseyed and his hammy pops. But yeah, throw him out there in the #2 spot. (Caveat: I have no idea what Ray’s OBP is, but I’m assuming it’s OK if xanthan is lobbying for him there.)
Also, if Winn or Molina or Durham is moved, the Giants don’t need to replace their production this year. This team is going nowhere in 08, so replacing Winn with Schierholtz means the difference b/t 72 and 73 wins. Or something.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jun 11, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Caveat: I have no idea what Ray’s OBP is, but I’m assuming it’s OK if xanthan is lobbying for him there.)
Here’s the top leaders for OBP on the Giants. Minimum of 100 PA’s.
Cnt Player **OBP**
+----+-----------------+---------+
1 Aaron Rowand .391
2 Ray Durham .388
3 Randy Winn .355
4 Bengie Molina .354
5 Fred Lewis .352
6 Rich Aurilia .331
7 Jose Castillo .318
8 John Bowker .300
9 Eugenio Velez .244
lol, Velez.
by xanthan on Jun 11, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your avatar/icon
it wins
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by delorean on Jun 11, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, This post was STATS™ approved.
by xanthan on Jun 11, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
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It held up to 20 pages of text on a 5.25” floppy disk, as I recall. I had an interface cable connected to a Brother electric typewriter for printing.
Find yours at http://oldcomputers.net
by sularz on Jun 11, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun with the 2 hole
Why wouldn’t we do somthing like this?
1. Lewis
2. Winn
3. Rowand
4. Molina
5. Durham/Bowker
by DustyG on Jun 11, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Seriously, just put Winn in the 2-hole. Unless, of course, that Winn decides he has to be a “2-hole hitter,” which somehow means a lot of intentional groundouts and contact hitting, instead of just going up to bat as normal.
Really, Durham would be fine in the 2-hole as well.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 11, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking...
that and 30 Jack-in-the-Box tacos.
by bgunn on Jun 11, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
there are plenty of 2-hitters in the lineup. upgrading the middle of the order would indirectly make the 2 hole stronger. Not to say they ought to be buyers a the deadline, but I wouldnt really blame it on the lack of a 2 hitter as much as I would the general crappiness of everyone other than Lewis, Winn, Bengie and Rowand this year. Winn at 2, followed by Rowand makes too much sense I guess.
by sam23 on Jun 11, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the sense that Sabean follows his gut
and the gut says that filling the #2 hole is the last step in the process, not the first.
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by Bhaakon on Jun 12, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upgrade the 2 hole
That’s what he said?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 11, 2008 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bleaching?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jun 11, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is so disgusting and hilarious.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waxing.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rim shot. . . .
FTW
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by WilltheThrill on Jun 11, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
I thought you said rim jo-. nevermind.
by Giant Voodoo on Jun 11, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like castillo in the 2 spot
If for no other reason than I think it has dramatically descreased his GIDP propensity.
When Castillo was batting in the bottom of the order, he would typically come up to bat with some combination of the 3-4-5 hitters on base. He is horrible w/ runners on base (to the tune of a .217/.265/.349 slash line), so this is a bad combination. Plenty of GIDP and not very many runs driven in.
Putting him higher in the order lowers the # of PA’s he has w/ men on, in which cases he is batting much better (.311/.364.529 w/ bases empty).
Now, why the guy cannot hit w/ men on is a whole other issue (and a large part of my hate for Jose) but he is actually very decent if not good w/ the bases empty. (remember my comments about garbage time performer, he went what, 4/5 yesterday once the team was down 8 runs?)
I hate to say it, but if you restrict yourself to using the players currently on the 25 man roster, then batting Castillo 2nd actually makes a lot of sense. He is less likely to GIDP as well as more likely to get on base than if you bat him somewhere where there is a higher chance of having runners on.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 11, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
Castillo also has a .980 OPS when the team is either up or down by more than 4 runs. He’s a regular Albert Pujols when it doesn’t matter.
Garbage Time Hero! Tie Game? .754
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 11, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Castillo for leadoff man!
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by groug on Jun 11, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, let's put Schierholtz at third and bat him ninth
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by groug on Jun 11, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
castillo is our new starting pitcher!
He will replace Misch’s next turn…
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw that! Bat him tenth!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey...
it’s almost as funny as ‘fill the 2 hole’
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo Leadoff
In 50 PA where Castillo has leadoff the inning he’s batting .289/ .360/ .533/ .893
by Cainer on Jun 11, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with castillo...
as you show is that he GIDP way too often and his #’s with men on is terrible. Well who do you have in front of him but a high OBP guy in Lewis…to the tune of .370 or so….so 75% of the time that freddie’s on he’s gonna GIDP? So…we may as well have a .100 OBP guy leading off….? What’s the sense in that?
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
castillo should not hit 2nd
He’s a hacker, he doesn’t get on base, he grounds into double plays and he does this right away which means if Lewis gets on it won’t matter just like last night. I’d bat Durham 2nd because he has a much higher OBP, he sees more pitches, and if Lewis is on and Ray is batting left the right side is open for him. What evidence is there that Castillo would hit with men on base more in the 6 or 7 hole than the 2 hole? I’d bat him 8th, you want your 8 hitter to be a hack in the NL. Lewis-Durham-Rowand-Molina-Winn-Bowker-Vizquel-Castillo-Pitcher
by mark30perq3 on Jun 11, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your lineup
But could we push the slow Molina down to #5, and move Winn up to 3rd?
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by Lyle on Jun 11, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*giggles *
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by groug on Jun 11, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Upgrading the the 2 hole? What a probing question. Having a good 2 hole hitter can be quite an asset.
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by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Might be worth trying to see what comes out.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That idea stinks IMO
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 11, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the end, what other choices do we have?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don’t score more runs because of our 2-hole, I guess our problems are behind us.
2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!
by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any Giants lineup without a Pujols in the 2-hole is crap.
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by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now now, no need to stir the pot.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
poo.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Jun 11, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doodies?
Goofus should take his duties here seriously.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll be fine
Our ability to make use of DPs and especially the TP should save us!
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by hairball on Jun 11, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bocock!
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2008 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penis!
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Jun 12, 2008 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight...
We’re upgrading our 2-hole to produce runs?
by Sabertooth on Jun 11, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots and lots of bacon grease is being used…
by tyrannoman on Jun 11, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also: dairy.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and apples. Lots and lots of apples.
by tyrannoman on Jun 11, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prunes produce runs
2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!
by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Bonds in the 2-hole...
Raisins are like prunes.
by Sabertooth on Jun 11, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure getting the runs from the 2 hole is
as great as you guys are making it out to be.
by malcontent on Jun 12, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have any statictics to back this up? Because without stats, I can’t consider your opinion.
by tyrannoman on Jun 12, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then you might have a slippery situation
And up a certain creek w/o a paddle.
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Jun 11, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least. . .
we’re not backed up, no significant blockage of future prospects coming down the pipeline. . . .
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by WilltheThrill on Jun 11, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now we’re flush with pitching prospects, so that’s a start.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keeps us regular.
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by WilltheThrill on Jun 11, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
diddling with the two hole ...
... makes the clean-up spot that much more important, especially if a run-producer is inserted into the 2 hole.
by Marco_Polo on Jun 12, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Conor Gillaspie can help. He is a Shocker, after all.
I just found out that Wichita State fans do that…gesture…at their home games. Which goes back to my initial assessment on the whole situation: funny but gross.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should get Bocock up and plug that 2 hole.
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by groug on Jun 11, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bocock’s probably a little too soft to fit well in the 2-hole.
His hitting, I mean.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side, he probably wouldn’t break his bat.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you break a bat in the 2 hole, I’d imagine the splinters from an ash bat would be nothing compared to an exploding maple bat.
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by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sort of thing takes experience. You know, veteran savvy.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Filling the two hole is not as easy as it sounds. It takes more than just the right tools, but a player with a robust package.
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by BruteSentiment on Jun 12, 2008 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diddling with the 2 hole ...
... makes the clean-up spot that much more important, especially if a run-producer is inserted into the 2 hole.
by Marco_Polo on Jun 12, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i've taken from this
castillo has no place in the starting lineup and durham should be hitting second.
Bengie Molina: stretching doubles into singles since 1998.
by jasomack on Jun 11, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
who's on third?
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by delorean on Jun 11, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be winn w/o any question.
Fred
Randy
Rowand
Molina
Ray
Bowker/Aurilia/My son (secret hopes, I has them)
Viz
Castle
Matt Cain
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Jun 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
correction
Matt should be moved to the clean up spot
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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 11, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious question....
Is Castillo the now the perfect person to implement the ‘new’ bat-the-pitcher-8th idea on?....Have Castillo bat 9th…
Then we’d have
freddie-rayray-winn’er’-b’mo-rowand-bowker-vizquel-pitcher-castillo..
Does that raise any eyebrows?
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I never did hear the logic behind LaRussa’s pitcher hitting 8th strategy. Can someone explain it simple, moronic terms so I can understand it?
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by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words
provide a direct quote from LaRussa?
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by tedfordfan on Jun 11, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
essentially he said that basically put two #1 batters in your lineup, and made your #3 hitter the number 4 hitter after the first trip around the lineup, so you get your #3 hitter (best hitter on team) up in the 1st inning, and then is the clean up batter for the rest of the night…
..and in this case Castillo hits so well with no one on, and so crappy with any one on, what’s to lose by batting him behind the pitcher and in front of freddie?
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(.311/.364.529 w/ bases empty).
that’s a good leadoff guy…put that in front of freddie and the 2nd time around and bang, we have something of an offense…
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s just no way that Castillo sustains that over time, though.
For example. in almost 1000 ABs over his career with the bases empty, Castillos sports a fine 256/.289/.393 line. Which is essentially identical to his career totals regardless of situation.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it's different...
because he’s in a different ballpark, maybe it just fits his style of play here….I’m no expert, but why not try…hell…everything else is being tried, we had velez the OBP wonder child with his .245 OBP batting 2nd for crying out loud.
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
by NorCalGiant on Jun 11, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re overestimating park factors here. Except for power, AT&T plays pretty average for hitters.
I’m not opposed, necessarily, to trying Castillo ninth under the presumption that it makes him a bottom-order leadoff hitter, but I think that 119 at bats of what appears to be a sample sized anomoly is not a good enough reason to do it. Maybe the idea that even a .300 OBP is enough of an improvement in the 9-hole over a pitcher (even at the expense of production from the 8-hole) to make a significant difference in the run scoring potential of a lineup would be a good reason – but again, I don’t understand the math or, necessarily, the logic behind that enough to support it.
My point is that Castillo has a 1000 ab situation track record to suggest that he will not hit .300 with the bases empty for any prolonged period of time. Doing things for the hell of it is not enough of a reason to do them, and doing them for the hell of it based on unsupportable sample sizes is foolhardy.
There are actual reasons to try something like this. I just don’t understand them.
And there was no good reason to bat Velez second. That was also foolhardly, and another example of Bochy’s inability to fill out a decent lineup card when he “believes” in a guy for an unsupportable reason.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foolhardy got us Felipe Alou.
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by Lyle on Jun 11, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, that actually makes some sense. Thanks.
It also makes me once again ask why Rowand isn’t our #3 hitter. Argh!
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by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know the logic behind it, but math supposedly supports it somehow.
I don’t know the math either, which is why I’m not going to make any definite statements here either for or against.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Baseball Lineup Generator...
...at Baseball Musings generally spits out a lineup with the pitcher hitting 8th, after you’ve input stats for each of your nine hitters. I don’t pretend to understand how they got the generator to work, and I’m inclined to not believe anything LaRussa says, but it does come out that way the majority of the time.
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by Lyle on Jun 11, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Neyer at ESPN wrote a blog entry or two on this very subject when the Brewers’ announced that Kendell would be hitting ninth before the season. His numbers showed an increase of around 1 run per year with the pitcher hitting eighth (I can’t remember the work, just the conclusion). I dunno how many MLB’ers would cheerfully be told they are hitting after the pitcher, however. Theses are folks with a great deal of pride (for the most part), and I’m sure they don’t want to be “shown up” like that.
by tyrannoman on Jun 12, 2008 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 run a year??? That sounds like… ummm… not enough to escape the inevitable jaws of +/-.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many ABs would moving from 8th to 9th in order cost you over the course of a season?
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by Goofus on Jun 12, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Lewis
Would like to drop Lewis down to a run producing role somewhere around 3-6 in batting order. Then can have:
2b Durham
RF Winn
LF Lewis
CF Rowand
C Molina
1B Bowker
3b Castillo
SS Burriss
P Big Three
by wilriv21 on Jun 11, 2008 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Since I’m going to base all of my player evaluations on Baseball Mogul, I’ve been using Bowker for about 5 years as my leadoff batter and he’s been nothing short of awesome. Routinely hits around .300/.400/.450.
But he’ll inevitable get hurt right before I make the playoffs, which leaves me trying to make a post-season run without my all-star leadoff man.
Also, Nick Noonan is going to work out REALLY well.
Baseball Mogul said so.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2011 will be just the beginning
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by Lyle on Jun 11, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the game of Baseball Mogul I currently have going, Jose Castillo will turn out to be one of the absolute superstars in the game in a few years.
Sadly for me, he’s on the Pirates in that game. CURSE YOU WRETCHED FATE!
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by groug on Jun 11, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, he won a gold glove in my game, too! His hitting never caught on, though, as he’s bounced around from Pittsburgh to Florida to Boston to Cleveland to Colorado, mostly as a back-up, only even breaking a .700 OPS 4 times in his twelve year career.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and we should DEFINITELY trade for Daric Barton at the deadline next year. CASH MONEY.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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my top 4 this upcoming season will be lincecum-cain-a ridiculous misch-a ridiculous alderson
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Your Order of the Phoenix franchise?
I am such a dork.
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by gianator on Jun 11, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo
offensively, he’s basically a slightly better Pedro Feliz with less pop. no one would ever confuse Feliz with a 2-hitter, so why Castillo?
My lineup.
1. Lewis
2. Winn
3. Rowand
4. Molina (I hate this part)
5. Durham
6. Bowker/Aurilia
7. Castillo
8. Omar
9. Pitcher
My no Omar lineup is this:
1. Lewis
2. Burriss
3. Winn
4. Rowand
5. Molina
6. Durham
7. Bowker/Aurilia
8. Castillo
9. Pitcher
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 11, 2008 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We should just bench Omar for a few games of “rest” and put Burriss in the 2 hole.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 11, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's line-up has Durham in the 2 hole
lf lewis
2b Durham
rf winn
c Molina
cf rowand
1b bowker
3b castillo
ss vizquel
p lincecum
by wilriv21 on Jun 11, 2008 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Swap Rowand and Molina and I really like this lineup.
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
was supposed to be a reply to Wilriv right up there ^
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jun 11, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ups and downs
The Giants’ lineup would likely be slightly more potent if they moved Ray Durham up to second and Aaron Rowand up to cleanup, with Bengie Molina dropping down to fifth. That should provide even more runners for Bengie and take his slow speed out of the middle of more innings. Jose Castillo clearly needs to drop down to seventh. He hasn’t been that bad, but he doesn’t get on base often enough to hit near the top of the order.
by sharksrog on Jun 11, 2008 5:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgetting about someone?
I’d still like to see Frandsen become the #2 hitter in the lineup. IF he can find his way to the majors and get enough time to adjust like he has at every other level, he’d be the right kind of hitter, batting around .300 with a lot of doubles and a fair amount of sleep.
Of course, that’s a lot of hope, and he has to come back from the injury strong.
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by BruteSentiment on Jun 11, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope mongerer!
2008 Giants: Scrappy! Scrappy! Joy! Joy!
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2008 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with two d's?
for a double dose of pimping.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 12, 2008 2:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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