Tell me why I shouldn't become an A's fan...
I'll be honest and say that I don't know a heck of a lot about the A's farm system, and I probably couldn't tell you how many prospects either the A's or the Giants have in any given top 100 prospect list, or anything like that.
I've been a lifelong Giants, fan, and on principle alone, I'm not ACTUALLY considering jumping ship and going to the other side of the Bay, even if their stadium is a 2 minute drive from my house. However, the grass is looking mighty green on the other side of the fence.
I realize that the A's are playing way over their heads right now. On paper, I'd say they probably have a worse team than we do, even. On paper, that is--somehow all the players the A's decide to try out turn out to be huge successes (they get Cust, we get Velez). That said, I fully expect their team to take a huge turn for the worst, and end up around third in their division with about 80 wins, simply riding on a weaker division. Let's be real. Both the A's and the Giants SUCK right now. Neither has a chance to make the postseason unless a nuclear attack destroys the entire West half of the US other than the Bay Area.
The team right now is not the reason why I have a huge impulse to jump ship every time I hear about the A's--the reason is that while the A's have reason to be optimistic in the next few years, with big name prospects coming to them in trades, we really don't. Our biggest prospect by most people's count is almost at the Bocock line, and let's be honest--our farm system is pretty crappy. We don't REALLY have anyone to be really excited about until, oh, about 2011, when Noonan, D'alessio (who will have white hairs by this point), Alderson, Villalona, Bumgarner, Fairley (where is this guy, anyway?) and Sandoval all come at once and make the first all-rookie team to win the World Series. As a rule, really young prospects all seem exciting because usually they have extremely high ceilings. Probably at least 80% of these players will flame out, with Villalona looking like the most likely to flame out out of all of these. I've never really been a big fan of him--just some athletic looking guy with tools that make him look like he's going to hit 40 HR a year--hey, I mean the guy's hit six already.. in 300 ABs.
The A's farm system isn't AMAZING, like it has a reputation of being historically. However, all levels have legitimate prospects in them (unlike us, where our high A team has a million prospects and none of the others have anyone even slightly interesting). A comparison of the average ages of players in the system says it all:
AAA
Pitchers-- A's: 25.9 Giants: 28.1
Batters--A's 25.5 Giants 27.4
AA
Pitchers--A's 23.4 Giants 25.0
Batters--A's 24.7 Giants 24.9
A+
Pitchers--A's 22.1 Giants 22.2
Batters--A's 23.0 Giants 23.3
A
Pitchers--A's 22.5 Giants 22.2
Batters--A's 22.9 Giants 21.3
Basically, what these numbers tell me is that the higher levels of our organization is filled with loser AAAA players that other teams got rid of. And it's true--we have guys like Scott McClain and Justin Leone jamming up our Fresno roster. It's funny, because you would think that these veteran players would be there so that if one of our big leaguers went down, we wouldn't have to disrupt the development of one of our real prospects. Oops, I guess we forgot a SS somewhere in there. Anyway, the point is that they have real, legitimate prospects at every level in their farm system, while we basically have our 2007 draft class that we have to put all our hopes in. I could name names, but do you really want to hear about the A's here?
I'm a big fan of young players, and I get excited every time a new player is called up. My fantasy teams are generally composed of high risk, high reward young guys and I generally follow those the most. I'll be biased toward the young guy, even when he's batting .200 and killing my team. By this disposition, you would think I'm an A's fan, right? But way back when, before I knew anything about baseball, I probably decided that the Giants stadium looked cooler and orange and black are much better colors than green and gold, which happen to be my high school's colors as well (boring). Now I'm just sticking on principle. Why do I hang on?
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Your username is way too awesome to be wasted on A’s fans.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on May 8, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. This made me
LMAO totally.
Notgardo, I still love you -- but you're grounded. No Guitar Hero for a month, no Cheez-Its for two months, and NO BASEBALL! This hurts me as much as it hurts you.
by tk on May 8, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Cuz you would be breaking the 10 commandment, Bill of rights, man law, and the Constitution!
by ACgiant97 on May 8, 2008 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because you’d just end up rooting for all your favorite players on other teams, and you’d never be able to buy a player Jersey that won’t look stupid in two years.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 8, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was about to type this
but I saw it scrolling down so nvm. But I will add that the A’s are fruity and they will never win a WS because while they do build good teams, they can never retain their talent long enough to build a team quite good enough to actually get to the WS and win it. And by never I mean I doubt it’ll happen before the Giants do it. In other words, never. But at least with the Giants it’s a shorter never…
by boonitez on May 8, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never say never my friend
The A’s should be moving into their new ballpark in the future, which will give them the ability to pick and choose, responsibly, who to retain. And need I remind you in 2006 the A’s were in the ALCS.
by passionately objective on May 9, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My friends got together and bought me an Athletics Swisher jersey. I think I look fabulous in it, and it means a lot to me because my friends cared enough to buy it for me. So I wear it, and I still get retarded men telling me “omg Nick Swisher isn’t on the A’s anymoar!!!!111” Fucking duh. I know.
Although it was sort of funny when one of the ushers at the Coliseum called me Mrs. Swisher last season…
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 9, 2008 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question:
Who doesn’t look good in a Swisher jersey?
by passionately objective on May 9, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Swisher
But only if it’s a White Sox Swisher jersey.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 9, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, it was just a joke about his Chicago suckage. We can regular agree if we ignore my spotty attempts of comedy.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 9, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooooh
I didn’t get it, sorry!
OT: Your sig is hilarious.
by passionately objective on May 9, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent
The filtering out of all the new “Pac Bell” fans continues. Candlestickians, rise up!!
"Why you gotta be cardin' my hos?" - Charlie Hayes
by stevieg on May 8, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You will have to listen to that annoying whistle from the left field bleachers at every home game.
by guggs on May 8, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because there are no uglier four words than...
“Now batting, designated hitter…”
2008 Giants: A steaming pile of scrap!
by Goofus on May 8, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because you should never cheat on your first love
no matter how much (s)he screws with you.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.
by Roger on May 8, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: never cheat
What if you just dump her…..like this person is suggesting in his piece?
by passionately objective on May 9, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the same reason I shouldn’t become a Red Sox fan.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
two words: white shoes.
Youu can root for a team of clowns if you want. i’ll stick with the orange and black and hope that their talent will someday match the classy tradition of the uniform.
god…i’m depressing myself.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 8, 2008 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
...they wear green. And, sometimes, gold. And play in Oakland.
Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!
by Lyle on May 8, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And because
Learning to accept losing without breaking stuff in the living room is underrated.
by Moggeee on May 9, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we're Giants fans.
And that’s got to count for something.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on May 8, 2008 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTvSUCCqPo
Ah hell, go be an A’s fan you sellout.
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE⢠returns!
by SoFa King Mike on May 8, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually know the guy who made that video..
My main reason for not jumping ship is to avoid being a sellout ;)
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's
a great video.
BROCK BOND LIKES HIS MARTINIS PUNCHED IN THE FACE, NOT STIRRED.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
As an A’s fan, I follow the Giants because I support Bay Area teams. I don’t know about the A’s being as bad a team as the piece here suggest, and I find that opinion to be interesting. The A’s have beaten the good and bad teams, so although I’m biased by nature towards the A’s, I try to maintain some form of objectivity.
That being said, I’m hopeful for the Giants, I think they’ll see some measured success in about 2-3 years, which is a good thing for both sides of the bay.
I also found some of the reasons listed in response to the question of why you shouldn’t be an A’s fan to be hilarious. “Winning is overrated”. That is classic. Nice sense of humor from Giants fans withouth going overboard. And the Ghostride the Volvo posting is golden.
by passionately objective on May 8, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Emil Brown won't win MVP
Their hitting is doing a little bit better than I’d expect, but here is a key stat—
Team OPS-.701-23rd in the Majors
Runs Scored-171-7th in the Majors
I find it highly unlikely that a team with a .701 OPS will be in the top 10 in runs scored at the end of the season.
Furthermore, their pitching has been the best in the Majors this year. While Blanton and Gaudin are about where I expect them to be at the end of the season, Duchscherer, Eveland, and Smith are pitching way over their heads. I expect them to be #3-#5 guys, and they’re all pitiching like Cy Young candidates…
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously if the a's have a .700 team OPS for 35 games, that will be their OPS for the remaining 125 games
but having a 3.10 ERA for 35 games means it’ll probably be a lot worse for the remaining 125 games.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on May 8, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously?
You’re right, they probably won’t maintain this level of pitching, but a lot worse? Probably not, in my opinion. Also, there is no way the OPS stays at .700.
by passionately objective on May 8, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ERA will rise to around 4.00, making them good but not AWESOME!!! best in league… OPS will rise to .720 making them meh kinda bad.. making them an OK average team, 80 wins like I said
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EB for MVP?
Who in the world said that?
The OPS of the team will go up, you can quote me on that. Big Hurt and Jack Cust will heat up as the weather does, and if Chavez comes back with any shade of health, how couldn’t it go up?
As far as pitching goes, not many people are suprised about Duchscherer, he has been a lights out reliever, and had measured success as a starter. Smith and Eveland are dominating, which is surprising, but I’d call them probable 2-4 guys, with a shot to be 1-3 guys.
by passionately objective on May 8, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thomas, cust, chavez, but you forgot
-travis buck’s .474 ops
-barton and ellis in the high-600s
-carlos gonzalez
-any trades beane might make
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on May 8, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton OPS
I don’t see Barton slugging too much, and right now Buck can’t hit AAA pitching, so we’ll see how he turns out this season. (And I’m a Buck fan)
by passionately objective on May 9, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My estimates for the end of the season are this. Slightly belove average offense, like .720 OPS. Yeah it’ll go up, but not by much. I’m pretty sure more than a few people are surprised by Ducscherer. If he could’ve posted a 2.50 ERA over an entire season as a starter, there’s absolutely NO reason the A’s would have him in a set up role. A 2.50 ERA would make him an easy ace and a regular contender for the Cy Young…
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emil Brown..
At this rate, he’s on pace for 136 RBI. You know how MVP voters are…
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing.
The offense is not as good as the runs scored total would indicate. BUT, it is not as bad as the team OPS indicates. Oakland is a pretty notorious pitcher’s park.
The A’s OPS+ is a decent 101. 100 is average. That is 6th in the AL. The RS, Tigers, Angels, Rangers and Yanks are better. Their EQA is 261, 260 is average. The A’s basically have a league average offense.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on May 9, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m actually an A’s fan second to being a Giants fan, but damned if I can’t follow that team even when they’re good.
As for the A’s playing over their heads, it’s my understanding that their hitting has been pretty poor and isn’t likely to get better based on things like luck, but I can’t back that up due to my aforementioned inability to follow that team.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 8, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still support the A’s. But to just say “eh fuck it” after being a Giants fan and defect is a pretty BS thing to do, IMO.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FACT:
People who commit treason ended up in the ninth circle of hell… or was that LA? I can’t tell the difference.
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE⢠returns!
by SoFa King Mike on May 8, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they have a dryhumping mascot?
I feel you should pick one team and stick with them. It makes it that much more enjoyable when they win again (even if that time is 50 years from now). Sure, the Giants are a bad team, but theyāre our bad team, damnit!
Just remember, whichever side you choose, Giants or A’s, stay on one side. Don’t be that guy with the godawful half-and-half cap.
by rightcenterfielder on May 8, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a flip-flopper...
... and I’m not even considering REALLY becoming an A’s fan. But it’s tempting. Billy Beane makes following the A’s.. well, different at the very least.
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by different you mean impossible, I’m with you.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 8, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just have to ride it out
Most GMs are considered idiots until they do something great. Then when the great train has left the station, it’s back to the idiot farm for that GM. Sabean’s evidence of this. He was an idiot for trading Matt Williams, then he was a genius. Now he’s an idiot again. Before you know it, we’ll have another GM and the circle of life will begin anew.
Hell, remember when the ROYALS were good???
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on May 8, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why you shouldn't become an A's fan:
Because Bob Geren’s cranium < Bruce Bochy’s cranium
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.
by Kitspool on May 8, 2008 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Planet Bochy FTW
Adopted father of the AnVil / GIANTSPACE⢠returns!
by SoFa King Mike on May 8, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's misleading
That’s not a reason why he shouldn’t switch sides, it’s a reason why he couldn’t switch sides.
I can’t even imagine being able to escape the gravitational pull.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 8, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Louis Armstrong one said...
...”If you have to ask, you’ll never know.”
All-Father Watch: 1.40 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 18 Ks in 19 1/3 IP
by EliminateMe on May 8, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Life's a cycle....
Go ahead and become an A’s fan and watch how in 10 years the situation will be reversed. The Giants will have the better farm system than the A’s (assuming we have a new GM who knows what they are doing) and you will be thinking about switching back.
Just like in life, sports have cycles. Just 4 years ago the Giants won 90 games. Give em’ another 4 (or 10) years and they will win 90 games again. I am optimistic that the farm system will look in much better shape in 3 years as will the Giants.
“Patience is a virtue….but virtues are overrated.”
-A bum I met on the street
by Squire_Boone on May 8, 2008 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He did say explicitly that he’s not actually GOING to become an A’s fan.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 8, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Situation will be reversed?
I beg to differ, the new ballpark won’t change the A’s philosophy, it will just allow them to keep the Nick Swisher’s and Dan Haren of the world. With enough of those on the roster, they’ll be able to afford to flip a few of them for some Dana Eveland’s and Greg Smith’s.
by passionately objective on May 8, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is the new park going to get them more money?
in fremont no less…and here i thought stadiums costed money…
by boonitez on May 8, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ballpark = more money
I thought that was universally accepted. Silicon Valley will bring $ to the A’s, no doubt.
by passionately objective on May 9, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I know he is not going to change teams. Reading my original post I can see how I kinda of sounded emphatic that he was going to switch teams….sorry!
Anyways, the point I was trying to make was that the fortunes of teams change all the time, no matter how good their farm system is.
Who is to say that the Giants won’t be under better management ten years from now? Who is to say that Billy Beane is still in Oakland 10 years from now? Even if Beane’s successor tries to imitate him that is no guarantee of success. J.P. Ricciardi and Depodesta (I think I butchered the spelling) were Beane prodigies and they have not done as good of a job as Beane (although one could give Depodesta a pass).
by Squire_Boone on May 8, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane-ites
DePodesta is just waiting to take over in SD, and Riccardi has made the Jays relevant in the AL East. Not bad, but not Beane, I know that.
by passionately objective on May 9, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricciardi has NOTmade the Jays
relevant in the AL East. How many times have the Jays made the playoffs under Ricciardi? As it is, it is starting to look like the DRays are going to surpass the Jays.
He’s not been a bad GM, but he has been fairly mediocre.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on May 10, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Riccardi
He has been against BOS and NYY, so you can’t blame him for not getting to the playoffs when the WC has been either one of them, or LAA or OAK.
But, they have become alot more respectable on his watch, which I refer to as relevance.
by passionately objective on May 10, 2008 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As you say
DePo should bee given a pass. Hell, most of the Dodgers useful vets, Lowe, Penny, were brought in by DePo. And the JD Drew contract which looked puzzling at the time, now looks good. That contract that DePo signed Drew to got the Dodgers a pretty good couple seasons, and then as Drew got old, he left as an FA.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on May 10, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because then you’d post on Athletics Nation.
(KIDDING AN folks. Don’t stab me.)
by Natto on May 8, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
{stabs natto}
stat-addled alien overlord
by salb918 on May 8, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no you didn’t….you can’t do that to our Natto…only we can do that to our Natto!!
Step off you white cleat-wearing punk!
Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.
by PacBellBoozer on May 8, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sews up wound
and then stabs him again. ; )
by passionately objective on May 8, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On paper, I’d say they probably have a worse team than we do, even.
don’t do it because you don’t understand how baseball works well enough to be an a’s fan.
also, the a’s probably have the second or third best farm system after the haren/swisher trades (and no, that is not based on average ages of players in the system).
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on May 8, 2008 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the A’s aren’t worse then the Giants on paper.
Cain and Lincecum are probably better than any of the A’s starters other than Rich “When Healthy” Harden. But All five of the A’s starters are very good, and we’ve got Zito.
I would say that the pen’s are a push this year. Maybe the A’s are a little deeper. Who’s the equivalent guy on the A’s depth chart to Vinnie Chulk? I’d be willing to bet he’s better than Vinnie.
The big ol’ obvious difference is in the offense. Neither team has flashed much power, but the A’s just do nothing but walk and hit doubles. We hit doubles, fail to walk and get picked off. Not a recipe for success.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 8, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. Their offense is probably better than ours. But I wouldn’t call all five of their starters very good. I fully expect Smith, Duchscherer, and Eveland to have ERAs around 4, which is slightly better than average, but not quite “good”..
and I can’t believe that I’m saying this but… I’m optimistic Zito can repeat last year’s performance. Maybe he can be average..
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that having all five of your starters be better than average is pretty good in the AL. Even good pitching teams have some slag in #4, #5 spots for most AL teams.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 8, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But our pitching is like… AWESOME, AWESOME, good, better than average.. then theres Barry Zito…....
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chulk really isn’t all that bad.
If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?
by groug on May 8, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will continue to pound this point home
until everyone acknowledges it or until he isn’t on the team anymore!
Only 938 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 9, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pens not a push and not even in the ball park
Sorry, but a little objectivity here. I don’t think any of the Giants relief pitchers would make the A’s roster. Nope, not a chance. Street, Embree, Foulke, Devine, Casilla, Brown could all get consideration to be the Giants closer.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on May 8, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if you’re serious.
If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?
by groug on May 8, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our closer is isn’t our best reliever. IMHO he’s our fourth best reliever.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 9, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen is not a push. Lets look at Baseball Prospectus's VORP
Giants bullpen: (as per mlb.com depth chart)
M. Valdez: 7.7
V. Chulk: 5.2
K. Yabu: 3.6
B. Wilson: 2.6
T. Walker: 2.4
J. Taschner: 2.0
B. Sadler: 0.4
A’s bullpen:
Santiago Casilla: 10.2
Joey Devine: 6.8
Andrew Brown: 5.5
Chad Gaudin: 4.6
Alan Embree: 4.1
Keith Foulke:2.1
Huston Street: 1.9
by Zonis on May 10, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and also from Baseball Prospectus
A’s:
4.62 Runs Scored Per Game
3.59 Runs Allowed Per Game
1.03 Run Differential
24.0 Hitter VORP
63.8 Pitcher VORP
Giants:
3.36 Runs Scored Per Game
4.78 Runs Allowed Per Game
-1.42 Run Differential
13.7 Hitter VORP
28.6 Pitcher VORP
by Zonis on May 10, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahem
Is VORP really a good statistic for evaluating relievers?
Long relievers will accumulate a lot of VORP by going a lot of innings against “B” lineups. Keichi Yabu has done a good job of keeping Barry Zito’s starts from turning into a bad day at Arlington stadium, but Jack Taschner has actually had to come in against teams that were still trying to score runs and still had their best lineup in the game. Yet according to VORP Yabu is the better pitcher.
Looking at WXRL is a better measure than VORP for relievers, though this early in the season there are NO measures of reliever effectiveness that are “stable” i.e. can’t be screwed up by a single outing.
Tyler Walker 0.846
Brian Wilson 0.813
Jack Taschner 0.755
Merkin Valdez 0.588
Vinnie Chulk 0.453
Billy Sadler 0.033
Keiichi Yabu -0.287
Santiago Casilla 1.160
Joey Devine 0.851
Keith Foulke 0.548
Huston Street 0.516
Alan Embree 0.180
Chad Gaudin 0.016
Andrew Brown -0.124
As you can see, Casilla has been much better than anyone on either team, but other than that there’s very little seperation between any of these players.
I said that the bullpen was a push and I think that’s a reasonable thing to think after one month of play. But I also said that the A’s were better on both starting pitching and offense.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 10, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
formatting fail: A's WXRL list
Santiago Casilla 1.160
Joey Devine 0.851
Keith Foulke 0.548
Huston Street 0.516
Alan Embree 0.180
Chad Gaudin 0.016
Andrew Brown -0.124
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 10, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and don't forget that Gaudin shouldn't be included as a reliever
He’s been in seven games this season and has started six of them.
Only 935 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 11, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slight exaggeration on my part. Obviously you don’t just examine a minor league system by the average ages of their farm systems. I was doing it to make a point about players like McClain and Justin Leone. I also was making the point that your farm system is better than mine, and I didn’t just say that based on the average age of the players. I don’t really know why you’re picking on that. And I know a lot about baseball, thank you.
Your team and my team probably are about even, right now. Cain and Lincecum are definitely better than anybody in your rotation (no, Rich Harden does not count), Lowry ain’t bad (even though his numbers say he should be, I never understood him) and maybe Zito and Sanchez can turn it around and be league average. I think the argument can be reasonably made that the Giant’s pitching is slightly better than the A’s. And the case can be made that the A’s offense, which DOES contain players as scrubby as on the Giants, by the way (think Emil Brown, fluke much?) is slightly better than the Giants. I’d say it’s a wash, with the A’s getting a slightly better record based on division strength.
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not every player in the minors is a 'prospect'...
...so why is it wrong to have guys like McClain and Leone, who aren’t holding anyone down, who are older guys with a lot of experience who:
⢠Can mentor the young kids (McClain is the active Crash Davis, you know)?
⢠Can become fan favorites and provide support for the minor league franchises?
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by BruteSentiment on May 9, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's will always be greater than the sum of their parts
because they have an awesome and selfless clubhouse culture. Even Frank Thomas and Eric Chavez are only one of 25 guys trying to get a job done together as a team.
If the Giants eventually create a positive clubhouse culture, teamed with effective organizational-level philosophy and instruction, they will be greater than the sum of their parts, too.
Rooting for a losing team is hard, especially one that makes a lot of incompetent and incomprehensible moves.
As a final thought, Giants fans hating on the A’s and vice versa is inefficient. The hate is much more efficiently used against our enemies down south. Dodger and Angel fans are a bunch of fair-weather posers that spend more time text-messaging than watching the damn game, and that’s inexcusable.
"You have to have a catcher or you'll have all passed balls."- Casey Stengel
by Gaijin_Suketto on May 8, 2008 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We all chant BEAT LA!
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 8, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, about the clubhouse culture
I really think that the “loose” culture in the A’s clubhouse was a big part of the A’s underachieving in the playoffs. I am specifically thinking about 2003 against the Red Sox. The various bone-head plays (especially Tejeda taking the time to shove Veratek rather than make sure he stepped on the bag) were a sign of a lack of professional outlook by the A’s, I believe.
How much did it contribute, I know not. But I feel pretty strongly that it did contribute.
Only 938 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 9, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was Byrnes that shoved Varitek - good riddance
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on May 11, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh really.
Well, I remember Tejada did something stupid during that series.
Only 934 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 11, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
30+ reasons not to and...
still not this one. one word:
GAMERS.
by sam23 on May 8, 2008 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a fan of both teams
And have been since childhood. The Giants are more important to me now (sadly, perhaps), but when I was little, it was all about the A’s (I knew nothing about steroids, thank goodness). And I’ll confess: I like the feeling at A’s games more than at Giants games. AT&T park is a hundred times nicer than the coliseum, but the coliseum is home to some passionate folks. At AT&T, the passionate folks are all too often a minority.
ĀæJulio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!
by hairball on May 8, 2008 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the coliseum
It’s empty and K-Rod can hear me swear at him.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 8, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
help yourself........
if you’re just about the Wins and Losses im sure you’ll be off their bandwagon before long anyway…....
by slojoe on May 8, 2008 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cuz the A's suck!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on May 8, 2008 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because youth does not mean good...
...and even the experts have bashed Beane’s drafting recently.
Also, because at least the Giants try to win, rather than Beane throwing in the towel and trading away the team every few years.
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by BruteSentiment on May 8, 2008 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait
So signing guys like Aurilia, Vizcaino, Roberts, etc etc is “trying to win”?
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 9, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you have the last year or 2 of B.L.B. ..yes it is.
Does not mean others mentioned were good , or better players. It does not mean those moves were wise. It just means this was the best they could get to make one more sun set charge at the postseason. Sabean went all in.
In a simmilar way it will be intresting to see if Williams of the ChiSox keeps going down this path or adjests in the next 10 months or so.
" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.
by daveinexile on May 9, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hats
Because there’s a fan hat and pretend GM hat.
We all like to put on the pretend GM hat and treat the roster like a game of RBI baseball. And, to be frank, the Giants are pretty frustrating when viewed from the GM’s eye view.
But the fan hat is all about an emotional connection with a team, which can cause you to pull for players you didn’t want your GM to acquire. I would find it emotionally difficult to not be Giants fan.
Personally, I love the A’s (the adorable little scrapsters), and I can’t wait to see what kind of team they have after Buck and Thomas start actually hitting. But I could never think of myself as an A’s fan first. It would just be emotionally weird.
p.s. Go Rajai! We miss you.
you can't block the Bocock
by oldjacket on May 8, 2008 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
oldjacket telling it like it is.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 9, 2008 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two reasons....well one reason and one clarifcation maybe.
Someone else said it before I could…but dude…THEY WEAR WHITE FUCKING CLEATS!!!
Secondly…your reference to AAAA players in the minor league system…you do know that one Mr. Todd Linden is starting in left field for the AAA Rivercats, don’t you? Oh, and Knodeler…he’s their catcher. (I for one think Knodeler got a raw deal while in our system…but ya…there’s no excuse for carrying Linden on any squad.)
Adoptive papa to Omar...so basically I'm screwed.
by PacBellBoozer on May 8, 2008 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I laughed when I was looking through rosters to write this blog.
by lmaozedong on May 8, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!
I’m going to a Rivercats game in a month! I get to root for the KANOODLER! I’ve been waiting for this…
I wonder if Linden will get it if I call him either of my two nicknames for him: Magellan and Failey the FAIL Guy.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 9, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reason #1: they’re probably going to be playing in Fremont in a few years. FREMONT.
by jcb9 on May 8, 2008 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you have to ask, you probably should join the A’s “fandom.” I’m sure BillyB will welcome you.
by grizzled on May 8, 2008 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because who wants to root for a well-run team that actually wins the World Series every once in awhile?
by Dan from NM on May 8, 2008 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You should be scarred that they will play in Fremont
Cause new generations of kids that wont be jaded by Giants propaganda will actually see a winning culture on the field and start becoming A’s fans. San Jose as one of the fastest growning cities in the US is obviously closer to Fremont than to S.F. Where do you think those kids growing up there are going to go when the new stadium gets built? I hightly doubt the Giants will be good by 2010 unless you have some amazing drafts and some luck come into play. The funny thing is the A’s aren’t even supposed to be good this year its a rebuilding year. All this winning is gravy and im sure Beane is salivating over the fact that he can now ask more for his players due to the fact that we are currently in contention. He has not changed his plan as this is still a work in progress but we are just gonna add more talent wait until you see what we have in July.
by AthleticsReign on May 8, 2008 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You must admit
San Ho as one of the fastestest groaning citys. Tricksy atheletics!
by natteringnabob on May 11, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loled IRL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on May 9, 2008 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i no rite
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 9, 2008 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Jose will always belong to the Giants...
The San Jose Giants…
Two championships in the last three years, bee-yatches!
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by BruteSentiment on May 9, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your premise is anti-fanhood
You ask why you shouldn’t switch to the A’s, and then your case is that they have the better near future. Isn’t this the same question as, “Why shouldn’t I be a frontrunner?”
You don’t pick teams for winning potential, otherwise you have to periodically switch. That’s just anti-sports.
Having said that, i’ve always been a Giants first, A’s second fan, as opposed to those who say Giants first, A’s last. I mean, come on, it is fun to follow both teams, and it rarely puts me in a bind.
by achiappanza on May 8, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s more.. I don’t like the attitude of the organization.
by lmaozedong on May 9, 2008 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The A’s are still around?
people hate you, but why do they hate you? because the are jealous!
by satyricrash on May 9, 2008 1:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s no fun to have an inferiority complex all the time.
Again, coming as an honest A’s fan second to being a Giants fan, the one thing that really annoys me about the A’s is how whiny their fan base is about the Giants. Wha Wha Wha! Get over it.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 9, 2008 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This comment was inspired by some of the A’s fan exclusive comments on this page.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 9, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I don’t mind the A’s but the inferiority complex is so … well, it makes me laugh, but it’s annoying.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on May 9, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s almost as bad as being a Dodgers fan, especially if you were around in 1989. Because it means you’d probably wear a split A’s/Giants cap proudly as if that’s something cool to ever wear.
Because it’s what fair weather fans do, when their team is down they abandon ship.
Because it’s what women do.
Because it’s like willingly having a sex change operation.
Because it’s the fricken A’s. Nobody dates the red head with the head-gear.
by mlb22 on May 9, 2008 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wait, wait
One of these things is not like the other.
Notgardo, I still love you -- but you're grounded. No Guitar Hero for a month, no Cheez-Its for two months, and NO BASEBALL! This hurts me as much as it hurts you.
by tk on May 9, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of these things just doesn’t belong.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 9, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
What’s wrong with sex change operations?
If you like things that are funny, perhaps you will enjoy ChatterBalks Dot Com?
by groug on May 9, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on May 10, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While most of what mlb22 said makes it look like a myopic asshole, I was just going along with the amusing children’s song. Was it from Sesame Street?
PS mlb22, you’re not funny or clever despite what you think.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 10, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was from Sesame Street, as far as I can remember.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 10, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just hurt my feelings
i am going to cry
by mlb22 on May 10, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gathered that you don’t care about how stupid you look by making such idiotic statements, and you just proved it with your weak sarcasm. Telling you that I hate you and people who act like you doesn’t mean shit to you because you lack the remorse necessary to actually be a worthwhile person, but it gives me something to do.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 10, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much, yes
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by Flashfire on May 11, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was too terse, I apologise
I got what you were saying. Items 2 and 3 on MLB22’s list just really pissed me off.
IIRC, yeah, that song is from Sesame Street.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on May 10, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries. I wasn’t even PO’d at you. And I am not now. :)
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 10, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on May 10, 2008 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying no comment. I have lots of comments. I’m just not going to say them.
Needless to say, they all fall pretty squarely in the disapprove bin, though.
I can’t wait for Goofus to lighten the air here, though. I tried to make a joke about this, but the important part got eaten by bad formatting and I just looked racist instead, so I deleted it. That kind of thing doesn’t happen to Goofus.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 10, 2008 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Get All Athletic...
Because Sabean’s plan to model the Giants after the Padres is coming to fruition better than anyone anticipated (especially the Padres). And you all doubted him; the main is a prophet.
Kevin Correia: MLB's best fifth starter on a last place team
by VidaWantsYourCar on May 10, 2008 8:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
130 comments
We must really hate the A’s
14-21...this sucks
by rhys on May 10, 2008 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This thread also brought in a bunch of A's fans too
They had to prove that their bullpen is better than ours and stuff.
Only 936 games until the end of Zito's contract
by thehavenot on May 10, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jumping ship makes being a sports fan pointless.
The only reason sports exist is for entertainment purposes, and the way they give most of us entertainment is that we pick a team to root for (for most of us, that team was picked for us by our parents and the city we lived in), and we root for that team for the rest of our lives. If that team ever wins it all, we get extra satisfaction in knowing that we waitied patiently for our favorite team to get some glory. If you jump ship, may as well just jump ship to whatever team is winning, all the time. Obviously traditional loyalty means nothing to you, and you only want to be rooting for the team that wins, so you’re not a sports fan, you’re a douchebag.
by ololo3 on May 11, 2008 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
’ cause it’s the American League?
I got nothing against the A’s except the large contingent of fans that insist on carrying this “working man’s team” idea, which is basically a nice way of saying “low rent”. I also get a little tired of the “we’re better fans cause we get rowdier” braggadocio, which is like saying the guy in the bar starting fights is a better drinker than you.
Soon enough they’ll be the Fremont A’s of San Jose Brought To You By Cisco and you’ll remember why you didn’t change allegiance.
by TedWilliamsBobbleHead on May 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The FAoSJ btyb C?
That’s one thing that worries me. I could be pretty content with Oakland Athletics of Fremont, anything else would be kind of weak.
by passionately objective on May 11, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
the financing for Fremont dries up, and the A’s move to Sacramento, where they would actually have a fan base, and the Rivercats become the Oakland Oaks and play to the 10,000 baseball fans in Oakland. I’d probably buy season tickets for that.
To the OP, why are you choosing? They even show the games on the same network, you don’t even have to change the channel. I enjoyed watching Cust last year, and I’ve seen the A’s play some exciting games.
by natteringnabob on May 11, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because then you wouldn’t know where your pants are!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 12, 2008 1:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It took me almost a week, but I finally won this thread.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 12, 2008 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you mean? That pants joke is cash money.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 12, 2008 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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