minor lines, 5/7/08

by steve S on May 8, 2008 8:24 AM PDT

AAA: Fresno lost to New Orleans 9-7
(allowing six runs in 2nd inning)

Fresno: RF Nate Schierholtz: 2 for 5, HR, 2B
Fresno: LF Brian Horwitz: 2 for 4, HR, BB, SO
New Orleans: 3B Fernando Tatis: 2 for 4, HR

Fresno: RHP Brooks McNiven: 1.1 IP, 7 H, 8 R, 7 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HR
Fresno: LHP Eugene Espineli: 3.0 IP, 1 H, 1 K

Schierholtz and Horwitz were two of four Grizzlies hitters with two hits each. They both connected for their 3rd HRs. Their lines improved to .308/.362/.505 for Schierholtz and .317/.374/.429 for Horwitz. The Mets' 33-year-old Tatis connected for his 10th HR.

McNiven retired just four of fourteen batters faced in his second PCL start. He threw just 35 of 62 pitches for strikes. With his eighth straight appearance without allowing an earned run, Espineli lowered his ERA to 0.87.

AA: Connecticut defeated Harrisburg 3-2
(scoring go-ahead run in top of 9th inning)

Connecticut: CF Antoan Richardson: 2 for 4, 3B
Connecticut: 1B Travis Ishikawa: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Connecticut: 3B David Maroul: 3 for 4, HR, 2B

Connecticut: RHP Garrett Broshuis: 6.0 IP, 9 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 3 K--1 HR, 2 IBB
Connecticut: RHP Kelvin Pichardo: 2.0 IP, 2 BB--1 WP
Connecticut: RHP Osiris Matos: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1 K

Three Defenders had two hits each. Maroul connected for his 3rd HR to lead off the 9th inning with the game's decisive run. With four straight multi-hit games, Ishikawa batted .440 for the first week of May. Richardson had his first hits in nearly a week, raising his AVG to .174.

Broshuis allowed a season-high 9 H but a season-low 1 ER. He improved his ERA to 4.04. He had an atypical 9/4 GO/FO line. Pichardo and Matos pitched scoreless relief, although they each allowed a couple baserunners.

A+: San Jose defeated Lake Elsinore 6-0

San Jose: SS Omar Vizquel: 2 for 4
San Jose: RF Mike Mooney: 3 for 4, HR, 2B, SO, SB
Lake Elsinore: CF Cedric Hunter: 2 for 3, BB

San Jose: LHP Ben Snyder: 7.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K--1 WP

Mooney is challenging Sandoval for being the team's hottest hitter, as he has hit .538/.552/.885 through 26 AB. Vizquel was the only other Giant with a multi-hit line. Hunter was considered the Padres top prospect heading into last season but then hit a relatively disappointing .282/.344/.373 in the Midwest League. So far this year he is hitting .323/.405/.378 in 127 AB in the Cal League.

Snyder, already the league leader in ERA, further lowered his ERA to 0.85. It matched his longest start of the year. Even with two walks, he still has a K/BB ratio above 6.00.

A-: Augusta defeated Columbus 4-3

Augusta: LF Garrett Baker: 2 for 4, SO
Augusta: SS Charlie Culberson: 2 for 4, 3B, SO

Augusta: RHP T.J. Brewer: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K--1 HB
Augusta: RHP Danny Otero: 1.0 IP, 2 K

Baker and Culberson, both of whom had very slow starts to the season, each had two of the GreenJackets' seven hits, improving their respective AVGs to .233 and .122. It was Baker's third straight multi-hit game, whereas Culberson was returning to action for the first time in nearly a week after going 0 for 18 in his previous five games.

Brewer had an effective start despite having a season-high 8 H and a season-low 1 K. His 11/4 GO/FO line is consistent with his GO/AO ratio of the season of nearly 3.00. Otero struck out two in a perfect 9th inning for his 6th save.

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Alright Culberson, showing a little life.

Snyder is looking good and pitching better than Tanner. Even if Snyder is older, who do you guys like more? Snyder or Tanner?

I’ve felt that Snyder got snubbed on occasion from prospect hounds because of his age.

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by xanthan on May 8, 2008 8:35 AM PDT 0 recs

You’re right on about the second part. People are/were also down on him because he doesn’t throw real hard. Because you know, LHP who don’t throw 95 are omg garbage.

I like both Tanner and Snyder. I’m still more high on Tanner ATM, and I want to see if he’ll pull himself out of his recent troubles.

Brian Horwitz hits another homer. How about that?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

I like both Tanner and Snyder. I’m still more high on Tanner ATM, and I want to see if he’ll pull himself out of his recent troubles.

I like them both, too and I’m not even sure who I like more at the moment. They are interesting because they are both left-handers that don’t throw super hard but get results in different ways. Tanner is more of a GB guy while Snyder K’s more.

I think they’ll both profile as back of the rotation starters but they still interest me.

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by xanthan on May 8, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

how hard does Snyder throw? I feel like, in prospect circles, lefties usually aren’t expected to have quite as much velocity as righties in order to be ranked highly, so I’d be surprised if he were seriously graded down for that (unless his fastball is like 85).

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by jponry on May 8, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

I’ve heard that Snyder throws between 86-88mph and that Tanner might throw a tick harder at around 86-90mph. I’ve also heard that Tanner can get it up to 92mph but I’m a little skeptical because I’ve never read any of the other major scouts or prospects sites mention that type of velocity.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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by xanthan on May 8, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

I guess the problem with the guys who start out throwing 86-88 is how quickly they can lose effectiveness if that starts to drop. See: well, you know.

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by jponry on May 8, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up 0 recs

THOUGH

to be fair, most guys who throw 95 and then see a drop in velocity have problems with that too.

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by jponry on May 8, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, but if he can make it to the Giants as a cheap back-of-the-rotation starter, it would be great. Most guys don’t drop velocity like Zito has done and it’s probably something that’s related to his 9+ seasons of 200 IP every year.

And Zito didn’t start dropping velocity until his late 20’s, so if we can get 3-4 years of decent, cheap pitching from Tanner or Snyder, then it would be great.

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by xanthan on May 8, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up 0 recs

Oh I agree, I was just musing

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by jponry on May 8, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

I've seen Tanner pitch twice

and both times he was working in the range of 85-86 FB, 83 slider, 81 changeup and really his command didn’t strike me as overwhelming either. I know I’ve read the higher readings of his stuff a few times, but I personally haven’t seen it even for a pitch (I tend to sit next to the guys with the guns and I know he never approached even the high 80s either time I saw him. It’s possible I just saw the wrong games, but I’ve really come away convinced his stuff is going to have real problems playing at higher levels. I’m definitely in more of it a prove it stance with regards Tanner than I am with Snyder, who I do think has a good chance to have a useful major league career of some sort.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on May 8, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

Thanks for the first hand information, Roger.

I’m definitely in more of it a prove it stance with regards Tanner than I am with Snyder, who I do think has a good chance to have a useful major league career of some sort.

Any reason why? Most people seem to be the other way around.

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by xanthan on May 8, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up 0 recs

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by xanthan on May 8, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up 0 recs

Jamie Moyer, right?

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by groug on May 8, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

I’ve seen Snyder around 88-90 MPH for the fastball on two occasions.

Tanner, I’ve seen throw 90 on a couple of occasions, but his velocity has been in the 86-88 range a couple of times, too.

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by BruteSentiment on May 8, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

Excitement over Tanner

usually comes in the form of being young enough to project more velocity as he fills out, correct?

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by tedfordfan on May 8, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up 0 recs

I remember something being said about less than stellar velocity re: Snyder when he was drafted. It might have just been BruteSentiment telling me that. Trust him though, he’s smart.

Plus there was some injury problems for him and a pretty lousy winter ball performance for him. But I was on board regardless.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

Plus there was some injury problems for him and a pretty lousy winter ball performance for him. But I was on board regardless.

Yeah, I think his HWB performance was mostly because he was gassed. That was after he threw 150IP, the most for him in a season. It’s good to see him start well in the Cal League.

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by xanthan on May 8, 2008 8:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

For sure. In fact this thread is giving me all sorts of ideas for possible interviews/discussions with and about Snyder.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

Snyder to AA...

....can’t happen soon enough IMO.

If he’s a little old for the level, and he’s dominating the level, time to move him up (albeit the small sample size). Must be someone from Augusta to take his place in the rotation (my pref would be Yntema) instead of having to wait for Sosa before mvoing Snyder up.

BTW – Anyone know what the latest on Sosa is?

After Snyder, I’d be pressing for Pucetas to be moved up next.

by aGIANTfan on May 8, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

yeah, time for both Snyder and Pucetas to go AA

i get the feeling the Giants stack San Jose for some reason…..

Henry Sosa is supposed to return soon from knee surgery – i think Bobby Evans said he was in
extended ST and almost ready…..

(also said D. Quinowski was recovering from TJ, wont be back until the fall)

by slojoe on May 8, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up 0 recs

Romo

Sorry if I missed it (was in Yosemite with the fam), but where the heck is Romo? I see Matos has closed out a couple of the latest games.

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 8, 2008 8:51 AM PDT 0 recs

i noticed that too

by slojoe on May 8, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

Not in Singapore?

Well welcome to the upper side of the world again. Must be tough standing sideways/upside down.

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by WalrusMan on May 8, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up 0 recs

Brief three-week vacation. Back in Singapore as of three hours ago. Sigh.

Anyone with info on Romo? Anyone? Bueller?

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 10, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

another thread they said minor something or other

for Romo…back in a few days

by slojoe on May 12, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

A multiple hit game from Travis for the four game in the row. Is that glint of life I see there?

Probably just the sun on some broken glass. Yet one of the reason I love baseball is even most of the greats look like crap once in a while and some times a lost causes does win.

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by daveinexile on May 8, 2008 9:47 AM PDT 0 recs

Travis

Let us note: Trading a veteran pinch hitter (Mark Sweeney) and getting a guy who gets a whiff of the bigs, if Denker can do so, that’s a nice feather in the trading cap. Same goes for the Michael Tucker-Kelvin Pichardo trade, if Pichardo can shake off the control problems he’s had since advancing to AA.

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by leftymalo on May 8, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up 0 recs

I think Dave was talking about the other Travis.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on May 8, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

But Dave is in exile

So he pretty much has to take what he can get… : )

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by Lyle on May 8, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

you know me too well.

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by daveinexile on May 9, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up 0 recs

yes I was. Thanks roger

That’s what I get for not being specific out of concern I would jinx the lost first baseman prospect.

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by daveinexile on May 9, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

Horwitz has hit at every level. I really hope he gets a shot some day with the big club. I know he doesn’t have much power and is a real long shot to ever be a starter, but he really deserves a chance.

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by raisingcain on May 8, 2008 8:42 PM PDT 0 recs