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The moves we didn't make

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Quick rundown of some of the free agent/trade moves that we didn't make this offseason.

Andruw Jones: .163/.274/.255, OPS .529, 1 HR, 34K in 98AB

short-term verdict: whew! dodged a bullet. Who was pushing hard for signing him? :)

Kosuke Fukudome: .342/.437/.491, OPS .928, 1 HR in 114AB

short-term verdict: doh! one might think that at some point the doubles-power would start turning into HR power in Wrigley, too.

Alex Rios: .310/.379/.474, OPS .853, 3 HR in 116AB

short-term verdict: still not worth The Franchise.

Scott Rolen: .267/.333/.500, OPS .833, 1 HR in 30AB

short-term verdict: incomplete; he broke a finger in spring training and wasn't activated until 4/23, but it doesn't look like he's washed up.

And the draft edition:
Beau Mills: .226/.371/.376, OPS .747, 3 HR in 93 AB (20 BB) in A+ Kinston (..261/.337/.761 in 245 AB combined at three levels in '07)

Not exactly breakout numbers for a college hitting star, but it's still too early to call.

Any other players we could've signed/traded for?

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Crede

YitDitDee

by Tchli on May 5, 2008 3:00 AM PDT   0 recs

McPherson

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 5, 2008 7:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Crede: Same player he ever was, apparently. Good defense, pretty good power, lousy OBP … a slightly better and younger version of Pedro Feliz. He would help this team a lot, but of course Sabean was right not to trade anything of value for him. Let’s hope he can resist the temptation to sign him to a five-year contract in November.

McPherson: Hitting .284/.408/.667 in AAA … but I’m not impressed. For one thing, it’s Albuquerque, probably the best hitters’ park in baseball. For another, he has struck out 38 times! That’s nearly 50 percent of his at-bats. I can’t believe anyone who has that much trouble making contact in AAA can really play in the majors.

by Evan on May 5, 2008 8:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Albuquerque Isotopes

as a whole have an average OPS of 871. This in the already hitter’s league that is the PCL, where the average is currently 784.

Hell, among the regulars on the Isotopes, Mcpherson doesn’t even have the best OPS, Brett Caroll, a 2001-2004 Bondsian: 418 .480 .896. That 896 is his slugging .Also, John Baker’s numbers are only slightly worse than Mcpherson’s: 391 .473 .547.

Yeah, I don’t trust numbers from Albuquerque either; nor for that matter, Colorado Springs and High Desert.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 5, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

John Baker?

Moneyball catcher John Baker?

by achiappanza on May 5, 2008 6:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 3:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cool. I’m still rooting for him.

by achiappanza on May 6, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

he signed for only $425,000 w/Florida

Castillo is ok, but i would rather have rolled the dice on MacPherson at that price….maybe
a 1 in 10 chance he pans out, but now is the time to try, maybe another C. Pena…..

by slojoe on May 5, 2008 11:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying that he wasn't worth a shot

just that that his BA / OBP / SLG numbers are deceptive. While it’s nice that his walk rate has improved somewhat, as Evan pointed out, he still K’s too much; even with the improvement in walk rate, he has 38 Ks to 17 walks.

Even Jack Cust never K’d that much in the minors; Mcpherson is averaging 0.266 Ks per PA in the minors. Cust averaged 0.260 Ks per PA. The hope for McPherson is Ryan Howard, who K’d at a prodigious rate in the minors, 0.277 Ks per PA.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 3:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, I wasn't trying to say McPherson's looking good

But a complete list would have him on it.

A complete list would probably have Feliz on it, too, though….

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 5, 2008 1:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Andruw Jones

I wanted SF to sign him for more monies/years than Dodgers eventually signed him. I also wanted the Giants to trade for Casey Kotchman who would have looked mighty fine in Orange and Black manning 1b.

by wilriv21 on May 5, 2008 4:50 AM PDT   0 recs

yeah, I wanted Jones too. Rowand was certainly a much better signing for the Giants in all ways, not just on the field. No credit goes to Sabean here, as he was supposedly pursuing Jones as well. As for Joe Crede we never did find out what it would have cost the Giants to get him, but he certainly would have been better than Jose Castillo. Hideki Matsui was another player we might have gotten, but if either of the two rumors we heard were true, (Freddie Lewis or Jonathan Sanchez) it would have been a disaster. Not only that, if Sanchez had pitched for the Yankees the way he’s pitching for the Giants right now, we would be killing Dave Righetti for being unable to get this kind of production out of him, and the rest of the Giants’ organization for jacking him around between the bullpen and the rotation. I guess this is why Sabean has become gun shy when it comes to trading young pitchers.

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by rxmeister on May 5, 2008 5:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If the Giants’ had given up any prosepect for Crede, we all would’ve been screaming. Frandsen was all set to be the 3B this year, and his leg blew up. The queston is, would Crede – prospects be better than Frandsen + prospects? The injury happend late enought in ST that I think talks had broken off by then.

by tyrannoman on May 5, 2008 7:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And probably..

Since Frandsen had been down, Crede would have commanded more prospects, since our need was higher.

Frandsen’s injury and Red Stripe Beer. Helping Crede look better for over 70 years. It’s beer! Hooray Beer!

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by WalrusMan on May 5, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s too soon to say that Rowand was a better signing. Remember last season, when the Zito deal looked better than the Jason Schmidt deal?

by Evan on May 5, 2008 8:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno, at least Zito pitches. Not well, but he does pitch. Schmidt will probably never see the field again.

by tyrannoman on May 5, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But wouldn’t you trade Zito’s $126 million contract for Schmidt’s $47 million contract? Even if you knew for a fact that Schmidt would never throw another pitch?

by Evan on May 5, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

by tyrannoman on May 5, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Call me crazy...

but I was hoping we would sign infielders, not outfielders. The Rowand contract looked good compared to the Jones contract, now it looks even better.

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by zenbitz on May 5, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, infielders

and they should have taken a 3B or 1B in rule 5 instead of a single A pitcher who had no chance….

by slojoe on May 5, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How about a blocked AAA or AA S.S.?

Now that would have been a total waste of a rule 5 wouldn’t it?

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I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on May 6, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Were any good ones left unprotected?

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 10:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

define good?

But there were a few interesting options out there. Of the top of my pointy head Diory Hernandez ( http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=6529 ), in the Braves system was available for example. Not the definition of a world beater but not at single A level of development like some other talents I could name.

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on May 6, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s exactly what I ment. However, Hernandez does not have the comic possibilities of a name like Bocock, so I just don’t see how he could’ve fit in.

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

true.

Of coarse diory would have to been mindful of the Bocock horning in on his time. You might say it should have been a pressing concern.

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on May 6, 2008 10:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and a hard one, at that

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I prefer Brian Barton

yes, he’s yet another OF who can play CF, but he has a decent shot of at least becoming a useful player.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can agree, all things being equal, he would have more upside.

I was just proceeding down the track of moves for Inf. help they could tried to reinforce what we new was going to be a lot of week spots.

" Their still Shitty" - Major Leagues the movie.
I am a Giants fan. Thus I enjoy my pain. Currently enjoying it more then usual.

by daveinexile on May 6, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it was BHAAKON!!!!!

i think he had choice words for anyone who didnt see the genius in signing Andruw Jones…...

(where is Bhaakon, btw?)

by slojoe on May 5, 2008 11:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still would have liked the Giants to draft Beau Mills, but I’m fine with Bumgarner. For now. I’m not going to base the entire decision on a half season plus for Mills nor on what, five starts for Mad Bum?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2008 7:34 AM PDT   0 recs

I will admit I wanted Andruw.

by KCE on May 5, 2008 8:43 AM PDT   0 recs

I was proudly against Andruw

And I still am. Forever. He couldn’t have happened to a better organization.

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by Lyle on May 6, 2008 2:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True

couldn’t have happened to a nicer crew.

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pat Burrell for Armando Benitez

Remember that rumor? Boy, wouldn’t that have been nice?

Only 940 games until the end of Zito's contract

by thehavenot on May 5, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

re: Andruw

I must admit, I was pretty meh on the idea of getting Andruw Jones.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on May 5, 2008 9:42 AM PDT   0 recs

It’s pretty hard to make any definitive statements about FA signings after one month of the season. Jones could end up hitting lights-out for the Evils, and Rowand might tail off. Still, I think Rowand was a good pickup, as long as he’s still able to take a breath through those ribs by the end of his 5-year contract.

Kruk mentioned this morning on the radio that in some game a few weeks ago, Rowand was playing CF and Velez was playing RF. Rowand was giving hand signals to Eugene to get him move his position a few steps to correctly play the hitter, but Velez didn’t notice because he was waving to some fan in the stands. Inning ends, they run back to the dugout, and apparently Rowand gets in Velez’ grill, ripping him for not paying attention and goofing off, etc. The incident ended only because Velez had to go bat. This story indicates two things to me:

1) Rowand sees himself as a team leader of sorts and expects his teammates to play as smart and alertly as he does (i.e., GAMER). I don’t think that’s such a bad thing.
2) There is an increasing amount of evidence that Velez is kind of a head case.

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by Kitspool on May 5, 2008 9:54 AM PDT   0 recs

Velez the Thriller

162 pounds of Brownian motion. Cat-quick and about the same attention span. Bless his heart.

by S.F. Giangst on May 5, 2008 10:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Eugenio is looking like a cocky f*ck

Velez was bush on that last play yesterday. His work ethic and how he speaks to his teammates is getting to me. I’m actually starting to dislike the guy.

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by SoFa King Mike on May 5, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Work Ethic

He has actually been described as having one of the best work ethics on the team by our coaching staff.

Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!

by fanofvanlandingham on May 5, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I watched him

the other night before a game and he was actually chasing fly balls in the outfield, throwing them in, etc. Maybe he’s like me and everybody hates him so there’s nothing else to do and no one to talk to, but it looked to me like he was working at his craft.

by natteringnabob on May 5, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, there was one comment from him in the paper

But the impression that it gave me was that he was very contrite. He doesn’t seem to know his way around the field very well, and seems to exhibit signs of unearned arrogance on the diamond, but I haven’t heard anything about a low work ethic or anything else.

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by hairball on May 5, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple papers reported that during meetings, the Mets approached us about a 1-for-1 trade of Lowry for Milledge and we balked by wanting another position player. That one worked out real well.

by MidKnight on May 5, 2008 11:31 AM PDT   0 recs

That hurts me.

Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.

by Andy from DC on May 5, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For the Draft Edition...

Jason Heyward, Braves (A-ball): .310/.352/.440, 23 R, 3 HR, 16 RBI, 7 SB (22 SO/9 BB in 116 AB’s)

Michael Burgess, Nationals (A-ball): .222/.309/.491, 17 R, 8 HR, 19 RBI (36 SO/12 BB in 108 AB’s)

Matt LaPorta, Brewers (AA): .333/.431/.716, 27 R, 9 HR, 32 RBI (19 SO/15 BB in 102 AB’s), and is hitting .333 against lefties, and .333 against righties

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by Chulk on May 5, 2008 1:43 PM PDT   0 recs

Matt LaPorts

Remember when the Brewers selected Matt LaPorta the consensus was that it was a reach and overdraft. Looks like the Brewers once again got it right.

by wilriv21 on May 5, 2008 1:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, we never had a chance at LaPorta. I was watching the draft and I was shocked they got him so high, since all the draft projections said he was going after the Giants’ 10th pick and since Fielder is entrenched at 1B. But they sure seem to know hitters and I like how they think outside the box, moving LaPorta to the outfield. But I still think there will be a problem with Braun in LF and Fielder at 1B. Where do you put him? I have an idea, why not trade Fielder or Braun to the Giants? Or better yet, let’s hire whoever made the calls on Brewers and their hitters.

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by tellusfrank on May 5, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

there is talk

of Braun sliding to CF while LaPorta move into LF. Looks to me like one of the Fielder/Braun/LaPorta triplets should be available about the time they hit arbitration…

by tyrannoman on May 5, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Moving Braun again? I hadn’t heard that one.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 6, 2008 8:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you sure it’s CF and not RF? That’d make more sense to me.

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by Anticon23 on May 6, 2008 8:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Word I read was CF. The Brewers feel he’s athletic enough to play the position.

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 8:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeowch! He’s a butcher in left field also. I thought the Brewers were trying to improve their defense . . . IMO, it’d make more sense to move Hart over there than Braun, but I’m sure I’m overlooking something.

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by Anticon23 on May 6, 2008 8:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is my reaction.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 6, 2008 9:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno

if the Brewers think he can grow into the position, or they just think he’s athletic enough to handle it. Watching him in LF makes me cringe, but it’s not like he’s spent a lot of time out there to this point. Maybe after the ASB he’ll have a better handle on the position (or he will still stink, and we’ll all know it).

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 9:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ll have to bug my Brewers peeps about it, this is for certain.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 6, 2008 9:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please do so. I just don’t see it working out, but what do I know?

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly. When I was discussing Braun moving in the first place with one Brewers guy in particular he was really eh about it. Moving Braun again to the one non-corner OF position is a little more than eh, to me. It’s straight up “huh?”

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 6, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Err, why would they want to move him now,

when Mike Cameron has just returned, and is for now killing the ball?

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not now

in the future, when LaPorta is ready to assume his spot with the Sluggin’ Brewers

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Omit LaPorta from list

LaPorta went a few picks before us so not in essence, a move we could have made. The other two we chose not to take. In fact we passed on Burgess five times, the last time choosing our beloved Jackson Williams instead.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on May 5, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd probably add

Mitch Canham (A+): .281/.409/.438, 18 R, 6 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 21 RBI, 1 SB, 19SO/20BB in 89 AB’s.

I still like getting the defensive catcher, but Jackson Williams’ detractors will probably not let this go unless Canham tanks.

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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2008 4:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh no Brute

it’ll take way more than that.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on May 5, 2008 6:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Admittedly, I did want Jones.

I am glad that we didn’t get him though.

by withclubsauce on May 5, 2008 2:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Hinske would have been nice at 3B

14 runs, 6 HR, 15 RBI, 2 SB .279 AVG, .973 OPS

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by The Thrill on May 5, 2008 4:26 PM PDT   0 recs

None of this

rises to the level of “Failure to Vlad”. Just sayin’.

by S.F. Giangst on May 5, 2008 9:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Vlad was off back problems and

probably didnt want to play for Alou anyway…..

you cant blame GM for people he didnt sign…theres more than enough to blame on sabean without resorting to that…..

by slojoe on May 5, 2008 11:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Those "back" problems

was a herniated cervical disc. This was NOT a LOWER back problem. He herniated a disc in his upper back. There’s a big difference.

Secondly, he CAME back from the injury and was a terror before the season was over, his month by month numbers from July, after he returned from the injury: 382 .450 .735 1.185 OPS, 349 .420 .726 1.147 OPS, 346 .446 .538 .984 OPS. He proved that he had already recovered.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 3:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While you're probably right

I do understand being wary of a player with back issues. My solution (which in hindsight is the worst idea ever) was to pass on Vlad and sign Miguel Tejada the next year. Sooo glad that didn’t happen, now.

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 8:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?

It must’ve been a bad idea even in foresight, since Tejada signed his 6-year deal with Baltimore the month before Vlad signed with Los Anaheim.

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by EliminateMe on May 6, 2008 10:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, I misremembered (TM Roger Clemens) Tejada’s FA year. I thought he would’ve been the better signing at the time, but I was wwwwaaayyyy wrong. That’’s what my poorly writtern post was trying to say.

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough.

Although, in hindsight, it might have been an even worse idea to wait a few years and then trade five players for Tejada right before his name turns up in the Mitchell report and it’s revealed that he’s actually two years older than he claimed.

“So judge me not for what I’ve done, but for what I didn’t do.” —Peter Blegvad

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by EliminateMe on May 6, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tejada is back to playing like the Tejada of 2004-2006

During the lifetime of his contract so far, Tejada has arguably been the best SS in MLB.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a big

between an UPPER back injury and a LOWER back injury. Lumping an upper back injury with a lower back injury would be like saying that Ichiro and Juan Pierre are comparable players, or saying that Jose Reyes and Juan Pierre are comparable players.

As for Tejada being a bad idea, huh? For the first 3 years of his contract with the Orioles, he was arguably the best SS in MLB. The 2 guys who were as good offensively as him during that period, Jeter and Carlos Guillen, were both much worse defensively. In year 4, 2007, he played with an injury and was still decent. above average hitter, below average D. The Orioles then traded him for decent prospects. Year 5, 2008, now that he’s healthy again, he’s back to hitting at his 2004-2006 levels. Tejada’s contract has worked out great. Signing Tejada would have been a very good idea.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 11:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Without the PR

nightmare that goes along with it, the horrible D I keep reading about, and all the B-12 shots the guy gave out? Seems like a franchise with PED issues front and center wounldn’t want the controversy that Miggy brings along after BLB has become the face of this whole mess.

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The "horrible" D

is not backed up by objective measures. The “horrible” D was likely the usual “blame the best player on the team, for the failures of the other players and the FO” game that some fans like to indulge in.

As for the PR issues, a whole bunch of other players have been linked with illegal substances. Hell, the Astros, with their links to Clemens acquired Tejada. Their fans on the whole seem to be liking him a lot.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 6, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure they like him

he’s hitting right now. The Baltimore fans wern’t so fond of him while he was there, were they?

I’ve read several articles discussing Tejada’s D, and they were all far from flattering. Granted, this has only been since around the trade deadline last year, but every scout I saw quoted said he needed to move off SS to 3B. Keith Law discussed his D in one of his chats, but the only link in a column I can find is very vauge.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=law_keith&month=12&year=2007

I haven’t seen Tejada play enough in the last four years to see what his D is like, I’m just going by scouts reports.

Don’t you agree, though, that the Giants’ could use a bit of a break from the PED train? It’s comical that Barry Bonds has come to represent the entire steroid problem in baseball, but that’s how it is. (aside, thanks, Rocket, for taking a lot of heat of Barry).

by tyrannoman on May 6, 2008 2:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Baltimore fans never disliked Migs, really not even in the immediate aftermath of the winter ‘07 I don’t want to play for them anymore comment. Everybody around the Orioles understands where the enemy sits (owner’s box). Migs got off to a slow start but he was still generally treated like a star at Camden Yards—maybe not with the enthusiasm that Markakis began generating last season, but within the general confines of “everything around here sucks” ennui that has gripped Camden the last few seasons, there was no particular ill-will aimed at Tejada (unlike for instance the current treatment of Aubrey Huff who will never ever be able to hit enough to live down his interview this winter trashing the city of Bal’mer itself).

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on May 6, 2008 3:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs