Threets on the way out

Not surprising, but still a bummer. I held onto hope that he would finally get it together with the Giants.

So this means a roster spot opens up on the 40 man…

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 29, 2008 8:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yes, and looking at the 40 man, it is thin on pitchers with Correia, Lowry, and Merkin rehabbing. If there was another pitcher needed with the big club, we would see Hennessey again, or Pichardo or Matos as of now.

So…could be Espinelli (WHIP 0.83 in Fresno after not impressing in spring training I don’t think) or Messenger (no, no!)
Cowart is still excelling in Conn. Romo just getting back to full strength after an injury. Ages 24 and 25
Could even be both of em, as Roberts is lingering on the 15 day DL

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by foothillsfan on May 29, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think Espineli would be a fine addition to the ‘pen.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 29, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll be passing lumpia around the park when that happens.

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by SoFa King Mike on May 29, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't forget to show up with plenty pinay for all

by wilriv21 on May 29, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll pull up in a jeepney full of them.

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by SoFa King Mike on May 29, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice

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by hairball on May 29, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, yes, they’re like gum!

:(

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 29, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correia could be back soon

He’s supposed to start for San Jose tonight and they think he might need only one more rehab start after that, so he could be back as soon as next week.

Besides the shiny WHIP, Espinelli also has 21 Ks against 3 BBs (in 29 innings) so he might be next in line if we need more help in the bullpen.

All-Father Watch: 1.37 ERA, 5 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 24 Ks in 26 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good news about Correia. Misch hasn’t pitched well. Need Correia back.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 29, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to a game this weekend...

...unfortunately, with Cain pitching Friday and Lincecum on Sunday, I ended up with the Saturday game and Misch scheduled to start. Oh well…

All-Father Watch: 1.37 ERA, 5 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 24 Ks in 26 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just for you, he’ll pitch a complete game shut out.

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by Natto on May 29, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks!

If that doesn’t happen you’ll be hearing from my attorney.

All-Father Watch: 1.37 ERA, 5 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 24 Ks in 26 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

With that lack of pronouns, I thought you were wilriv for a second.

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by groug on May 29, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Misch-ed his start on Sunday against the Marlins but actually had the impression he had pitched decently, certainly a serviceable 5th starter. Having said that, Correia’s better.

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by Kitspool on May 29, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He pitched well in his first appearance (six mop-up innings in a Zito-induced blowout) and had one good start against Houston, but otherwise has not impressed. He’s only managed 6 innings twice in 5 starts (going 5, 4.1 and 4 innings in the others).

All-Father Watch: 1.37 ERA, 5 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 24 Ks in 26 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Misched Opportunity

by Moggeee on May 29, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

man, that sucks

erick seems like a really nice guy with a special arm—too bad he doesnt know where the ball is going most of the time. I wish him well, and wouldn’t be terribly surprised if he puts it all together with another org in a coupla years.

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by delorean on May 29, 2008 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Regarding trade possibilities

There must be teams with a history of straightening out wild arms. Anyone know who good candidates would be?

¿Julio is tourist in San Francisco? Harper's Bizarre!

by hairball on May 29, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I’d say the Red Sox straightened out David Aardsma

For some reason, I have a feeling if Threets is released, Billy Beane is going to come in and swoop him up.

Speaking of which I had a Rajai Davis sighting last Saturday against the Red Sox. He had a bloop single, a steal, and came home on a long single.

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by SoFa King Mike on May 29, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade Value?

Of course the Giants have to say they’re looking at trades, but Erick can’t have much value. Perhaps the Giants can trade him to a team who also has a similar player they might otherwise lose.

I didn’t expect Erick to ever make it. I’m surprised he even got a shot in the bigs, although in his defense, he didn’t pitch that badly in that opportunity prior to being injured. With the great start of Alex Hinshaw, I figured Erick’s recent outing in which he gave up something like five earned runs in 2/3rds of an inning sealed his doom.

I think Erick was intriguing because he had so many similarites to Randy Johnson (Livermore, tall hard-throwing lefty) but he really hasn’t panned out. The Giants probably hung onto him a little longer than they should have, but with their dearth of developing talent at the higher levels, it was likely better to err on the safe side.

It does seem as though the Giants are once again building up a nice cupboard of pitchers, which could enable them to trade some arms for bats. I wonder if Brian Sabean’s recent trading woes might actually help him deal arms given that Joe Nathan and Jeremy Accardo had success after being dealt by Brian.

I just hope Brian makes the right choices. Until Nathan, he had done a great job of choosing which arms to trade. I think the Giants have the chance to put together a pitching staff - and a rotation, in particular - that could be the best in baseball.

More than anything, I would hope Brian (and the Giants’ fans) would have patience. Quick fixes usually need to be fixed again quickly. After thinking short-term for perhaps 20 years, the Giants need to think long-term again.

With this year’s draft the Giants will have had top-10 picks in three straight years. They are almost certain to add a fourth this season, and I see no reason why they can’t tack on a fifth next season. Tim Lincecum has been a revelation, and if he can stay healthy, Madison Bumgarner also appears to have a very high ceiling. Those were #10 overall picks, and the Giants appear to be “earning” even higher picks, beginning with the #5 overall choice this year.

Sooner or later those picks - if chosen well - should add up at the major league level. Certainly the Giants got a lot of leverage from Will Clark in 1985 and Matt Williams in 1986.

Lincecum appears to be a player for the ages. If he continues on that track, and the Giants can pick up perhaps one more superstar, three stars and half a dozen glue players over this five-year period, the Giants could indeed be a force starting in around 2012.

Right now they’re a force, but not a positive one. :)

by sharksrog on May 29, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The problem with all of that wonderful planning for the future

is that 2012 is 4 years away. A lot can happen in 4 years of baseball. (Remember 2004?)

Caincecum will be 27-28 and could very well be no where near as good as they are now. They could also be better.

Who knows, but it is certainly no solid lock to try to build around Lincecum on the 4 year plan. Way too much can happen between now and then, especially with a pitcher.

This is my biggest concern: that we take such a long time to put a palatable team on the field that we miss the Lincecum bus.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 29, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not that difficult

I think many of us saw this kind of season approaching back in 2008 – assuming nothing was done to head it off. And, sure enough, nothing was done.

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by Lyle on May 30, 2008 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Make that "back in 2004"

Okay, I’ll go back to previewing….

Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!

by Lyle on May 30, 2008 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying we can't see it

I’m saying that 2004 was an eternity ago in baseball years. This team won 91 games with a roster that featured Bonds, Schmidt, Snow and Grissom.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 30, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

4 Years is nuts

What are you thinking?

I think it is realistic to expect us to contend in 2010 and to potentially do something next year. It’s not a huge free agent market, but with trades and a wise signing or two and we are good to go.

Perhaps sign Furcal and Dunn and put Dunn at 1b? I would think that that would do a lot to change out winning percentage.

by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if furcal stays hurt

we might be able to get him cheap, but dunn will be 15 mil per prolly. i dont want to spend that much on him, although he would be one of the few lefties that could hit homers @ATT

by Azmanz on May 29, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The New Payroll-Metrics

Adam Dunn (be still, my bleating heart) would be a bargain at 15 mil

for however many years you could sign him up for.

by Moggeee on May 29, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There seems to be two camps of Fans

Those who think we can compete next year, and those who think its going to be 4 years until we do anything.

I had a fanpost along these lines, but apparantly failed to convince those like Sharksrog :)

4 years would basically mean 8 years of losing seasons, which is amazingly pathetic.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 29, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

If the plan is 4 years, then Lincecum and Cain should probably be traded now, along with just about anyone else on the team that turns out to be worth a crap.

In 4 years, Fred Lewis will be 31.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 29, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Four years from now seems like a worst of all possible worlds scenario to me: what talent we do have now will have passed (Matt Cain) or be very near (Lincecum, Lewis) walk years, while very little talent from the system can be counted on to be making major league impact yet - in a best case scenario some two or three of Villalona, Noonan, Sandoval, Mr. #5 might be rookies or rookies+ by then, which isn’t typically the makeup of playoff contending teams. It would be very nice if somebody from our farm system ends up a good major league starter - but in the meantime, bringing in legitimate major league talent isn’t a bad thing. At worst, having productive players who aren’t extravagantly overpaid for their value gives you solid trade chips if, indeed, some of our minor leaguers look to be ready to produce (or vice versa). But by hook or crook we need to raise the level of talent in the organization right now, not 4 or 5 years from now—by then we’ll have become the Pirates or Royals and it’s incredibly difficult to turn around a full-on culture of losing.

It’s worth recalling that the Royals have produced quite a few All Star players and even several MVP candidates during the years they’ve been a perpetual also rans. In fact there were two or three years where they had Damon, Sweeney, and Dye all performing at OPS+ of 110-140 together, Joe Randa chipping in with above average production, a young Carlos Beltran in the lineup. All homegrown and all very productive—still couldn’t turn the ship around. Once you’re a loser it’s much easier to stay a loser and sitting around waiting for good things to happen in four years isn’t necessarily the best way to accomplish it.

A solid long-term plan coupled with sound and aggressive short and medium-term pickups is my preferred mixture. The front office should be creative (the exact opposite of its tendencies lately) and daring, but mostly it just needs to stop making terrible personnel decisions on the FA market. That’s not the same thing as stop signing FA, note, just stop doing it so incompetently. Probably we’re all too gunshy at this point to believe that’s possible.

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by Roger on May 29, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Today is my day

To agree with guys having “Rog” In their name.

4 years might be when the team turns from a contender into a legitimate WS threat (as you add star young players to an already established winning team).

But to plan to play @ 4A < .500 level from now through 2012 while waiting for your teenage prospects to save you is IMO a really really bad idea. This team with the right one or two FA this off season could very well be in contention in this division in 2009 and certainly 2010. THAT is a realistic goal and one that should be persued.

This team is in it’s 4th losing season in a row. That is, as stated before, Pirate or Royals level – A disgraced franchise one could say. At least those teams have an excuse (payroll). I would hate to see the Giants continue in that mold.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 29, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I should add

This 4th losing season in a row is IMO entirely due to the “Win Now” approach of signing Durham and Aurilia like players. FA moves made now should be more targeted at long term high quality players, like Furcal or Texeria.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Roger

The depth in our minor league system is all approx. 3 years away. Granted, there are some exceptions who might arrive a year earlier. But even allowing for that, you’ve got to let them get to the majors and get adjusted, and that could take a couple of years. Adding Teixeira next year, or Dunn, wouldn’t help the team that much; we need several good players.

I agree that the wise, selective use of free agency could be a good thing. But that should be VERY selective. We don’t need an Adam Dunn or Mark Teixeira signing. Furcal might be a good choice. If a 3B like David Wright or somebody similar were a free agent, THAT would be the right sort of FA signing. I think Vlad Guerrero was a similar type of FA, and Sabean didn’t go after him; so I don’t trust him to know when to sign or not sign free agents.

So let’s assume the best: we pick Smoak in this year’s draft, and he turns out to be the next Teixeira. And we also get one other player from this year’s draft who eventually helps us: maybe a Manwaring-type catcher or a Correia-type pitcher. Then, next year, we again get a high draft pick because of our 2008 record, and again we choose a college player who can make a quick impact (whether pitcher or hitter) and another player who eventually helps in some way. If all four of these imaginary players meet or exceed our expectations, they wouldn’t be truly ready for greatness until 2011 at the earliest. And if Sandoval, Alderson, Nooan, and Bumgarner all get fast-tracked and do well during that process, they won’t be in SF until 2011 at the earliest also. So, best-case scenario, those 8 players MIGHT arrive in 2011 (Smoak maybe 2010). I just don’t think the odds of all of them succeeding immediately at the ML level in 2011 are good. I can certainly wish and hope for that, but I can’t expect it.

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by Lyle on May 30, 2008 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right. I also don’t believe you could plan on being competitive in 2011 or even 2012 simply through bringing up our own players—which means we’ve committed ourselves at that point to 8 years of losing and I really do believe that’s disastrous. We’ve probably lost Cain at that point, and Timmy’s gotta being working his agent to force a trade on the eve of his walk year to get away from all the losing and negativity. That’s without even getting into the issue of whether we really have any major league starters in our system right now (or the wisdom of counting on developing Alderson and Bumgarner into ones). I think we need to concern ourselves (and immediately, right now) with bringing more talent in and not sitting around waiting and hoping for system which is pretty mediocre to suddenly start shitting diamonds into a fully fledged playoff team. I disagree that Mark Texiera wouldn’t be a help to this organization (I do agree that it seems unlikely we’d entice him out this way)or even Dunn. Here I do agree with Sabean, the league’s pretty crappy right now and winning has a way of engendering itself.

I would try to trade Molina, Winn, and Durham in the next month, maybe Wilson (along with the middle relief arms we’re apparently dangling) think hard about the value of Matt Cain this offseason, and then yes be willing to look at impact FAs like Texiera and Furcal, all the while drafting and signing the highest talent in the draft we can (and I really do think we didn’t do that either of the last two years aside from Lincecum. It seemed clear at the time and seems clearer now that a Heyward/Porcello strategy was the way to go with those first two picks).

None of this means we can’t fully invest in our system. The blueprint here is the Red Sox—Theo Epstein committed to putting a winning team on the field while improving the system and was wildly successful at both. The major league team he took over was flawed and the minor league system was horrible, he improved both at the same time and has for a few years running now, produced excellent drafts from the back end of the round positions, and now those young players are arriving he’s moving (or allowing to move) the veterans to make room for them. All it really took was committing to it and hiring the right people and spending the money (which we have).

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by Roger on May 30, 2008 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I 100% agree.

sitting around waiting and hoping for system which is pretty mediocre to suddenly start shitting diamonds into a fully fledged playoff team.

Pretty much sum sit up – not gonna happen.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 30, 2008 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I agree with most of what you said above, Roger. Some points:

. I agree the Giants shouldn’t sit on their hands until 2011 or 2012 to see what happens.

. A full year ago I proposed the Giants look at trading every player they had who was making over $1 million last year. I focused specifically on Noah Lowry, Matt Morris and Brad Hennessey, who I believe were pitching over their heads and were unlikely to ever have a higher value. So naturally I agree with trading veterans now.

. I have mentioned Theo and the Red Sox as the blue print. Consider the irony in THIS.

After the 2002 season Brian Sabean was rumored to be the preferred GM candidate of the Red Sox. Brian’s reputation was quite good back then, and he was a New Englander, so everything seemed to fit. I was actually worried the Red Sox would take Brian away from us.

When Theo was hired instead, he made his first commitment to improving the Red Sox’s scouting and development. His approach worked to the point where five years later several prospects had already arrived and contributed to the Red Sox’s winning the World Series.

Just think if the Red Sox had indeed “stolen” Brian away from the Giants, forcing them to sign Theo. :) The Red Sox could likely have bought they way into staying in contention, but the Giants quite possibly would be the team with the fine players arriving in the majors.

One final note: The Giants have had horrid luck in trying to acquire the top free agents. They were usually able to re-sign their own, but have faltered badly in reaching out to free agents from other teams. Yes, a couple of key free agent signings could help considerably (especially if their names were Ruth and Rodriguez). But the trend now is for teams to re-sign their top free agents or trade them to teams that can afford to re-sign them. Add to that the poor track record of the Giants in signing top free agents and having to settle for overpaying second-tier guys, and you’ve got to look to trades.

Unfortunately the Giants have little of value to trade, although as their young players in Class A now get closer to the majors, their trade value should increase. But to be honest, I don’t really trust Brian to trade the right players, although prior to guys such as Nathan and Accardo he seemed to have a skill in doing so.

But the aside from replenishing the farm system, Brian seemed to have a knack for almost everything—before it all fell apart after the 2002 season. Before the end of the 2002 season I thought Brian was one of the best GM’s. Since that time I feel he has been one of the worst.

If Brian were the type of GM I think the Giants need, he too would have been trying to trade most of the guys making over $1 million last season. Instead, he held out a misguided hope that his team could suddenly and miraculously get back into the hunt.

The hunt should have been for good, young prospects. Instead, it became hoping for a miracle in Barry Bonds’ last season. And frankly, Brian seemed to run out of miracles around the seventh inning of Game 6 of the 2002 World Series.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2008 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but...

...by then we’ll all be able to fly to the park using our personal jetpacks!

All-Father Watch: 1.37 ERA, 5 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 24 Ks in 26 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

$100 to park them

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by SoFa King Mike on May 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 29, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

not surprising

and i dont expect a trade to get done…he will end up being dfa and then made an fa…i wish him alot of luck…maybe another org has a pitching coach that can figure out why he cant overcome his wildness

by bacci40 on May 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

threets had plenty of chances

on the odd chance he goes somewhere else and actually succeeds, the GIants are pretty much blameless

by slojoe on May 29, 2008 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

hindsight 20/20

Threets should have been traded in Spring Training when he still had some value. Now everyone knows we have to release him and we aren’t going to get anything for him. In the spring Sabean said he knew their was trade interest for him in talking to teams which is why he knew he wouldn’t clear waivers. It seems obvious now that we should have traded him now the we will lose him and get nothing, but at the time he was having a good spring and having a power lefty is always a good thing if it works out. Having said that, his track record should have indicated that we sell high and if we had anyone who could evaluate talent, that’s what would have happened.

by mark30perq3 on May 29, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, maybe.

Other possiblities are that Sabean may have been blowing smoke about trade interest (in the hopes of actually drumming up some) or the interest may have been bag-of-balls level offers.

Frankly I doubt that Threets’ trade value in the spring, as a control-impaired rookie with 2 innings of major league experience, was any higher than it is now, as a control-impaired rookie with 12 innings of major league experience.

All-Father Watch: 1.37 ERA, 5 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 24 Ks in 26 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think its a stretch to believe Threets had any trade value in ST

unless your talking about getting some old scrub or some marginal, low minors suspect in return

by slojoe on May 29, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember the Phillies being desperate for a left-handed reliever. If you can get Rajai Davis and something else for old, expensive, shitty Matt Morris and Travis Denker for utility-man Mark Sweeney, than you can get something decent for Threets, especially since there was a lot of buzz about him in the spring and because you just don’t see a lefty throw that hard too often. Would we have gotten a top prospect? Of course not. But we could have gotten somebody younger like we did last year at the deadline who has options and potential. Instead we are now in a position where we’ll probably have to release him, which is just a complete waste.

by mark30perq3 on May 30, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rajai Davis + Stephen MacFarland = basically nothing. (Not having heard anything about MacFarland this spring, he’s either injured, retired, or more likely they’re sending him back to S-K for another season. 22 year old reliever spending his second season in low-A = very unlikely to ever wear a Giants uni.)

It was nice of the Bucs to pick up Morris’ salary, but really that’s all we got out of it.

Sweeney is a veteran who’s proven he can pinch-hit successfully at the major league level. That’s more valuable to a would-be contender than an unproven reliever with control issues.

All-Father Watch: 1.37 ERA, 5 saves, 0.99 WHIP, 24 Ks in 26 1/3 IP

by EliminateMe on May 30, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course hindsight is 20/20! Looking at butts just has a way of focusing the eyes.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on May 30, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s what SHE said!

Your 2011 SF Giants: the 2008 Augusta Greenjackets!

by Lyle on May 30, 2008 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I keep hoping to see

the Threets for Albert Pujoles news, but it just hasn’t happened yet…get on it, Sabes!

by tyrannoman on May 30, 2008 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Do Not Want

A 1b w/ a bad elbow and probable past steroid use.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 30, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

he would be a horrible addition. Let’s see…a player without any steriod allegations…um…David Eckstein?

by tyrannoman on May 30, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pujols is oldish, about to get very very very expensive, and has health problems.

And yeah, he’s only 28 – but he is in his prime and especially with the health problems will likely only decline from here. He has impending elbow surgery. The steroid use is only important in that it calls into question the validity of his track record in terms of predicting future success.

For the 2012 guys, Pujols is not going to be a centerpiece for that team, so any move to get him now we would be pure win now strategy, which in of itself does not make sense.

Obviously however your statement was in jest :)

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 30, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can’t agree with you, except that my comment was in jest :) A-Pu is signed to a long term deal, so his expenses are set. He’ll be very, very good for several more years.

Oh well, I was just joshin’ anyway. I’d love to see Threets traded for Andy Marte, even though I know Marte isn’t worth a rosin bag I want him anyway.

by tyrannoman on May 30, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Threets for Marte

That is the kind of deal we should be persuing. Marte may not be worth shit, but he’s worth a try on our team where not worth shit apparantly = starting 3rd baseman.

Eugeniooooooo!!!!

by FairweatherFan on May 30, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs