Joe Perez wants the Giants gone
Joe Perez, erstwhile reporter for the Norwich Bulletin who covers the Connecticut Defenders, has posted an article decrying the Giants' treatment of the CT organization. His springboard for wishing the G-men gone is Travis Denker's comments about not enjoying hitting in the cold of Connecticut. He cites the disagreement about who should pay for moving the fences in, and he takes a swipe at left-coast types who coddle crybabies.
I have some responses, but I'd like to know what the rest of you think.
Here is the article.
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Sounds like a prelude to a divorce to me. Both sides sound unhappy with the arrangement. Bring on the Texas League affiliation!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2008 7:18 AM PDT reply actions
It’s not really surprising, both teams are obviously unhappy with the arrangement & hopefully we’ll both move on next season.
From our point of view, it’s a bad park for development & assessment of players (and it’s not just hitters that are effected) due to it’s extreme nature. And from their point of view, we aren’t as helpful as they’d like, there’s a lot of negative views & we sometimes avoid sending players there. There’s no point in having a slanging match, we just need to move our separate ways & find better partners.
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Looks like Lyle finished 7 minutes ahead of me...
oh well
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Dodd is Horrible for Hitting; Joe is the crybaby
I’ve been banging the drum for a long while now about how bad Dodd is.
It is not just AA being a new level: when you look at each team’s home SLG, OPS, and HR-rate in AA, the Defenders was significantly lower than the other teams. For one thing, when I studied the differences after the 2006 season, the SLG for Connecticut batters is much lower at home (83% of league average) and yet is basically league average (98%) on the road. Next lowest home SLG for a team was 95%, with 10 of the 11 other teams range from 95% to 106%.
Similarly for HR power, their AB/HR was 56% of league average at home and yet 97% league average on the road. Next lowest was 79% and 6 of 11 ranged from 86% to 102%, so there were a lot of extremes in this league. Still, the difference between the Defenders and the next lowest was as wide a range as from the next to the top of the mid-tier range, covering 9 teams – there were two much above teams,
ISO: 69% at home, 104% on the road. 93% was the next lowest, and range for 8 of 11 other teams was 95% to 106% at home.
XBH%: 85% at home, 108% on the road. Next lowest was 92%, 8 of 11 other teams ranged from 94% to 104% at home.
In all cases, our team was significantly worse than any other team’s home stats. Now, you could blame this on our AA team being significantly worse than the other teams, but as I noted, their road numbers are pretty much average and other teams coming into Dodd Stadium suffer just as badly, when you look at our pitchers stats there, it is almost a mirror image of how poorly our hitters did there.
The players blame the cold probably because they are young and inexperienced and thus are unable to name exactly what it is that bothers them so about hitting in Dodd, though Bowker was savvy enough to know what was wrong about Municipal Stadium when he was interviewed by MiLB about the problems hitting there. There is something seriously wrong about hitting there, whether it is the cold or any other reasons players might have suggested.
To call them "crybabies" smack of journalistic hubris, Joe obviously hasn’t studied the clearly evident statistical anomaly of hitting in Dodd, so it is shameful that he has to be reduced to name calling in order to write in a public newspaper. I understand public pride and wanting to protect your home turf, but sometimes things are not great where you live and digging your head in the sand and using childish name calling publicly does not seem to be the right thing to do, particularly if you are a journalist (oh, I’m sorry, perhaps he’s a columnist and allowed to do that; it’s still childish).
It is no worse than their GM, who told me in a reply when I asked him what he was going to do about the park, that even if this is true, players should instead focus on hitting into the gaps and running like heck. Tell that to Bengie Molina or any other power hitters who can’t run a lick.
Then, to make it worse, they could have resodded the field – they had to do it anyway, it was in their contract – so that the fences would be closer, but ESPN or Showtime (don’t remember who) paid them some money in order to film that show about the Yankees and for some reason that was reason enough not to resod into a new configuration but keep the old configuration.
I think that would have been trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, but at least it would have been an attempt to make things more normal for our prospects.
So I’ll be more than happy when the Giants announce a new AA affiliation, perhaps the new place could be worse, but I’m betting that it would have to be an improvement, they could move to almost any other park in the Eastern League and it would be a huge improvement.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 27, 2008 9:23 AM PDT reply actions
No question that Dodd is a tough place to hit, which is frustrating for aspiring hitters and for those of us who like appraise young hitters by looking up their minor-league stats on the Internet. I still don’t understand how it’s supposed to hinder development.
A couple of reasons i can think of: Firstly, baseball, like all sports is psychological, so just because you can make a quick adjustment statistically, doesn’t mean development isn’t hindered. Basically one of the reasons people use against overpromoting players (such as Bocock) How much effect this has, i don’t know.
The second reason i can thing of, is changes made to the technique or habits fallen into. Players will alter there technique in order to adapt to the environment, and these may not be good for the long term benefit. Hitters aren’t the only ones affected by the extreme park, i’m sure a number of pitchers fall into bad habits, due to the friendly conditions.
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OK. That’s reasonable, though speculative. I’m inclined to think that experiencing all sorts of game environments has got to be good for young players, hitters and pitchers both.
The thing is, Dodd just isn’t that extreme. In 2007, its run factor within the context of its league was 0.87, which if I’m reading right makes it one of the two best pitchers’ parks in the game—tied with San Jose! And many other parks are not far behind.
There’s just no reason to think that Dodd has such a powerful effect as to change the game in some fundamental way.
Dodd might be a tough place to hit, but I think the issue is compounded because the Giants haven’t had a good hitting prospect since ‘03 when the team moved in.
I still believe that if we had a, oh say, Jay Bruce or something, he could hit in Dodd - maybe slightly supressed - but hit. Everyone acts like we had Mickey Mantle until TERRIBLE DODD killed his career.
... and in fact, the better hitters who’ve come up through the Giants system in recent years - Lewis, Ortmeier, Schierholtz, Bowker - have all had decent-or-better years in Connecticut. Ishikawa can’t hit there because Ishikawa can’t hit.
That is the $1M Question
Before SF writes off TI (and that investment) would prefer they give the kid another look-see. Is Brian Harper the answer for Fresno? Dunno. If he is then TI is blocked. If Harper is not the answer then what does SF have to lose if TI gets a chance to hit in the PCL?
Sure, why not. He hasn’t hit in short-season ball and he hasn’t hit in low A and he hasn’t hit in high A and he hasn’t hit in AA, so I guess the Giants owe him a chance to show how he can’t hit in AAA either.
I’ll give Ishikawa some credit, he’s cut his K% by almost 10% this year and boosted his BB% by almost 6%. But, he’s not hitting for power, not even on the road away from Dodd. It’s got me to wondering if he’s changed his approach just to try and make contact more.
I’d also give him a shot over Harper, but neither have much of a chance to ever see MLB time.
please, neither nate nor lewis had good numbers there
check the stats….why do you think freddie was stuck there for more than one season? nate had a total power outage at dodd….and what about eme?
And really, there’s no need to rely on the hypothetical. Let’s have a look see at what some real prospects have done there:
Alfonso Soriano .305/.361/.501 in his age 21 season (his first season in American pro ball, he’d played only 5 games in rookie league prior to the EL).
Nick Johnson .345/.494/.548 (age 20 season)
Mike Lowell .344/.438/.561 (age 23, but only 2nd full season in minors)
Hell even Ricky Ledee hit .365/.431/.635 in a blistering 39 game stay in AA at age 22 before being sent on to AAA. And let’s not forget our old friend Ruben Rivera, who at age 21 put up a .293/.382/.523.
This is really just pretzel logic at its finest.
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by SoFa King Mike on May 27, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
and "former"
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I just don’t see Dodd as that big a problem. If you have all the data Martin cited above and half a baseball brain, it’s easy to make an assessment of who is ready to move up. That’s particularly true if you have scouts you trust watching the actual games in Dodd. If someone is hitting it on the screws but making a lot of outs in Dodd because of the wind, he’s ready. Ignore the average. Players have to play in all sorts of weather. If anything, Dodd is an advantage in assessing players because we get extensive data on how they do in less than prime situations. As Perez wrote, players like Bowker and Holm show their worth by adjusting and becoming Eastern League all-stars.
by NearestNorwich on May 27, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions
Because you don’t want a prime hitting prospect, who hits well everywhere he’s been, to make any changes to his swing because he’s playing in an anomaly half the year in AA.
Question
Shouldn’t a “prime hitting prospect” know not to alter his swing? What about hitting coaches, shouldn’t they be on top of that sort of thing? It’s not a guaranteed that a player will “alter his swing” when faced with adversity like a tough hitting environment.

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