Draft I: The Prologue
Ah, draft day. For bad teams, it's like that one sunny day in Pacifica. The rest of the year is foggy and miserable, but for one day, baby, you're on top of the world!
The Giants pick fifth, which is the highest pick since Jason Grill in 1997. Grilli begat Livan Hernandez, who begat sadness and heartburn before begatting Jim Brower. Brower was released after his right arm was sacrificed by Felipe Alou to appease an angry volcano. The Giants can do better with their picks.
And they have since the 1997 draft, for the most part. At least, they have had success when they've kept their first-round picks. Pitching-heavy or not, the Giants tend to get a lot of utility out of their first-round picks, especially when you consider that their run of Bonds-related success was keeping them in the bottom of the draft. Even if you consider David Aardsma or Grilli to be flops, it's still worth noting that their value was high enough at one point to bring back a major leaguer in trade.
Since 1965, over half of the #5 overall picks have reached the majors. Some notable players picked #5: Dale Murphy, Matt Williams, Dwight Gooden, Vernon Wells, J.D. Drew, Mark Teixeira, and Ryan Braun. That's a heapin' pile of Hall-of-Very-Gooders, and the Giants could use a facsimile of anyone on that list. They can't, however, whiff on a guy like B.J. Garbe (Twins-1999).
I'll profile a handful of the top prospects over the next week or so. I haven't seen any of them play, of course, so the profiles will consist of speculation-heavy linkfests. I hope to be the blogging equivalent of Marcie from HR, who annoyed you all by winning money in your NCAA tournament pool. For instance, I like Gordon Beckham because he makes me think of Gordon Gekko from Wall Street, which makes me think of Michael Douglas walking along the beach with a cell phone the size of a Nintendo 64. And that makes me giggle. So my associations with Gordon Beckham are instantly positive. That might make him my number one pick.
Today, though, I thought I'd get things started by dropping some mad science on you. There are four subgroups in the amateur draft: high school hitters, high school pitchers, college hitters, and college pitchers. In the history of the draft, the Giants have done well enough with three of the four subgroups. When it comes to high school hitters, though...ye gods. Here's a list of the high school hitters taken by the Giants in the first round of the draft:
Dave Rader (1967)
Gary Matthews (1968)
Mike Phillips (1969)
Johnny LeMaster (1973)
Mark Kuecker (1976)
Craig Landis (1977)
Jessie Reid (1980)
Royce Clayton (1988)
Adam Hyzdu (1990)
Marcus Jensen (1990)
Tony Torcato (1998)
Arturo McDowell (1998)
Hey! I've heard of Gary Matthews! He was good. That was also 40 years ago. Since then, there's been nothing, depending on your affinity for good-glove, no-hit shortstops.
"Okay", you might think, "but that's just cherry-picking to take from the first round. What about the successes in the later rounds?" Fair enough. Here's a listing of the rest of the high school hitters, but I'll thin he list by including only those who made it to the majors as a hitter:
Chris Arnold (11th round)
Dave Lemonds (5th round)
Bernie Williams (11th round) (No, not that one. The other one.)
Rob Ellis (34th round)
Horace Speed (3rd round)
Gary Thomasson (7th round)
Jack Clark (13th round) (as a pitcher!)
Guy Sularz (10th round)
Jose Barrios (3rd round)
Rich Murray (6th round)
Chili Davis (11th round)
Jeff Ransom (5th round)
John Raab (11th round)
Rob Deer (4th round)
Charlie Hayes (4th round)
Tony Perezchica (3rd round)
Chris Brown (2nd round)
Randy Kutcher (4th round)
Tom O'Malley (16th round)
Dave Hengel (6th round)
Matt Nokes (20th round)
Mike Caruso (2nd round)
Travis Ishikawa (21st round)
Two Tony Perezchica mentions in the same week? It had to happen at some point.
Forty-three years of drafting high school hitters, and the Giants have had five All-Star appearances (two each for Jack Clark and Chili Davis, and one for Chris Brown). That's nature's way of telling the Giants to stay away from high school hitters. It doesn't work. It's the baseball equivalent of a finch trying to get it on with a jellyfish. Everyone knows it's not going to work.
At least, that's my first inclination. Then I think, hey, dammit, this organization is due. It's just like when you're losing in roulette, and you have to keep playing because you're due to win. This is known as "Gambler's Strategy", and it pretty much works all the time. Nick Noonan is going to set the world on fire in 2011, and it would be awesome if he were joined by Tim Beckham. They could also team with Madison Bumgarner and Tim Alderson to be a cracking good bunch of chaps with which to play cricket, should they fancy a match.
There's no reason to think that the decisions made in 1967 have anything to do with the decisions made in 1999. Unless you think the organization is cursed. Which I do.
Comment starter: Should the Giants stay away from high school hitters because of their lack of success in the past?
Note: Don't be a weenie and put your "top-five hope-we-get-'em players" in the comments section of this post. The last post in this acclaimed series will ask for that very thing.
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I don't think the Giants overall (lack of) success with highschool hitters means much
No one who was responsible for drafting Mark Kuecker has anything to do with drafting this year. Just because it is the same team, 30 years removed, doesn’t mean there is some magic connection.
But I do think that MLB’s overall lack of success with highschool hitters does. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This team needs to draft a player that has the highest chance of making an impact at the ML level. That may not be the player with the highest upside.
This team cannot afford to take a gamble on a high-upside high-risk highschool player when a moderate upside – low risk college player is avaliable.
It is my opinion that we need to draft a college hitter unless one of the top two pitchers is still around and all the college hitters likely to go in the first 7 picks are already gone.
Then we take the pitcher and start looking to trade.
We need position players, and we need them ASAP. This franchise cannot afford to wait 4-5 years for some HS player to MAYBE work out.
I would like to know the % of college hitters drafted in the top 10 that become regular ML players.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on May 22, 2008 8:20 AM PDT 0 recs
The other strategy
Would be to draft the BPA and then look very actively to trade him for a top prospect who is farther along in someone elses farm.
And yes, I realize we have to wait to trade.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
May 22, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
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+1
I tend to agree with you that the Giants should draft the player who has the best chance to make an impact at the ML level. That is why I like the idea of drafting Smoak. He could be manning the 1B position for the Giants by the end of 2009. Plus, the way this season is going the Giants could be in good shape to draft a good hitting infielder or OF next year.
I tend to think it is stupid to avoid drafting a player like Smoak just because he plays the same position as Villalona and some other Giants prospects. The fact of the matter is that AnVil, D’alessio, Neal, etc. are not guarantees.
I much rather have the Giants have the dilemna of having to find places for a bunch of good hitting 1B then to have none at all.
by Squire_Boone on
May 22, 2008 9:56 AM PDT
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Yea..
If what we’ve told is true (AnVil has been moved to 1B because that position will catch up faster to his bat) then perhaps we can just stall him at AAA for a year or two to get his 3B glove up to par. Draft the best player, no matter of position.
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by WalrusMan on
May 22, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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I don’t necessarily think we should stall AnVil, unless he gets to AA or AAA a lot quicker than expected. He could always play LF. I absolutely love having a McCovey/Cepeda problem with AnVil and Smoak than not.
by Squire_Boone on
May 22, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
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Well.
Let’s just say he continues on this path, 2009 A+, 2010 AA/AAA, 2011 AAA/MLB. Anyone we draft this year will probably start in A+ next year as well, maybe AA and perhaps advancing a level the same year. So maybe 2010 we have a 1B draftee in the Majors at the fastest. But if AnVil goes as fast then you could be looking at a year, year and a half until they’re both ready.
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by WalrusMan on
May 22, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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Yeah, like I said, I would love to have the problem of having two great hitting first basemen in Smoak and AnVil in the next couple of years. How the Giants would deal with that is up to them.
Honestly, whether they move AnVil to LF, try him at 3B, or whatever….I don’t care. Having to find a position for two great hitting 1B prospects is a nice problem to have.
by Squire_Boone on
May 22, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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If a rotten team like the Giants can’t afford to take a high-upside player, then who can? The Giants need impact players—whether it’s an advanced college guy like Smoak or a polished-but-young high schooler like Hosmer.
by Dan from NM on
May 22, 2008 9:18 PM PDT
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Clearly
the Giants have little success with young hitters. And, since the org. NEEDS to have success with this high draft pick, I say they draft what they know. PITCHING.
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by Little Napoleon on May 22, 2008 8:21 AM PDT 0 recs
Does this prophecy mean Wendell Fairley is destined to end up in a humorous cat macro decreeing his failure?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 22, 2008 8:33 AM PDT 0 recs
Fairley
Is rumored to a better Fred Lewis. What does that even mean ?
I’m down with the BPA, even if it is a pitcher. If Posey , Beckham (either) Alvarez, Smoak, Alonso, Hosmer, or Skipworth are available, they would be very hard to pass up though.
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by nvsfg on
May 22, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
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Guy with wheels and tools consistently messes up, is given starting job due to lack of options and injured incumbent, turns out to be pretty good. So he’s supposed to be better than that. I don’t get it either.
I’m still on the Smoak bandwagon but if somehow Alvarez is available, OMG GET.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
May 22, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
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Definitely
If Alvarez is there than he is the better choice IMO than Smoak. I doubt he will be there, which is why I am also on the Smoak bandwagon.
On a related note, I was disgusted to see John Mayo say in his recent draft projection that the Giants would consider taking Posey over someone like Smoak. But, it was just his projection.
by Squire_Boone on
May 22, 2008 11:28 AM PDT
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I would be shocked if the Giants took Smoak over Posey. Since when have the Giants cared about first basemen?
by Evan on
May 22, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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I think Mr. Mayo is correct. My disgust is pointed squarely at the Giants FO for that one.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
May 22, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
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Posey
I’ve warmed up to Posey some and I don’t think I would freak out too much if he was taken over Smoak. It’s not a terrible pick at #5.
I would definitely take Alvarez or T. Beckham over Posey if they are somehow still around at #5.
by xanthan on
May 22, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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The important thing to consider here is that Madison Bumgarner and Buster Posey would comprise the coolest, 19th-century sounding battery in the game.
by Evan on
May 22, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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They both sound like they should have big mustaches. Like

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
by jponry on
May 22, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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Bow tie+foppish hairdo+’stache=win.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
May 22, 2008 2:16 PM PDT
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I’m growing a stache and buying bow ties as we speak.
by xanthan on
May 22, 2008 3:19 PM PDT
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How about a poor attempt at a mustache?
I only ask because a… friend of mine… ahem… doesn’t have much of one, but insists on growing it anyway.
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by howtheyscored on
May 23, 2008 2:51 AM PDT
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I don’t know….who would you rather have: Lance Berkman or Russel Martin? Now, these are probably horrible comps for Smoak and Posey, but that is the way I see it. I have a hard time seeing Posey putting up the kind of power numbers that Smoak could.
I am always wary of trying to build a lineup around catchers because the position is so physically demanding. But, then again, my love for Smoak could stem from the fact that the Giants have not had an exciting offensive 1B since The Thrill.
I REALLY want thrill from the 1B position again!
by Squire_Boone on
May 22, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
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Suck it Russel Martin
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by groug on
May 22, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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Sorry, that was just habit.
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by groug on
May 22, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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don't apologize
that’s a good habit
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by nostocksjustbonds on
May 22, 2008 8:45 PM PDT
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+1
plan A (unlikely) Alvarez
plan B- Smoak
plan C-Beckham (either)
by sam23 on
May 22, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
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How does this compare the the rest of MLB?
If someone had the time to list all of the HS hitters drafted over the past 40 years, and calculated the probability of a HS hitter becoming productive at the ML level, would the Giants be above or below the mean?
I want to see HSHBP+ (High School Hitter Becoming Productive Probability as compared to the rest of the league), before I accept that the Giants are cursed! ;-)
by toofruss on May 22, 2008 8:46 AM PDT 0 recs
The Real Curse
It’s not the curse of the high school hitters
2001 – Todd Linden
1998 – Tony Torcato, Arturo McDowell
1997 – Dan McKinley
1994 – Dante Powell, Jacob Cruz
1992 – Calvin Murray
1990 – Adam Hyzdu
1989 – Steven Hosey
1988 – Ted Wood
1986 – Matt Williams
1985 – Will Clark
What this more scientific study reveals is that since drafting Will Clark and Matt Williams, both highly touted corner infielders, the Giants have drafted 10 outfielders in the 1st round (including supplemental and compensation). The result? 0 for 10. No, it’s not a typo. A big ofer. Let me do some calculation here, that’s, what, a 0% success rate. I pray every night that Wendell Fairley is the one who breaks this curse, but if this first-rate analysis doesn’t convince you that our most serious curse is the curse of the 1st round outfielders, then I’m just not convincing enough, damn it.
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by tellusfrank on May 22, 2008 9:22 AM PDT 0 recs
wasn’t Dante Powell something like Fred Lewis but without the talent?
Ahhh, Ted Wood. Also, I still have Calvin Murray’s Upper Deck Future Stars(!) rookie card. Let’s see what that baby’s worth….
by sweetjuxtapose on
May 22, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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Dante Powell and Calvin Murray...
Gotta have their signatures somewhere on baseballs from San Jose.
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by WalrusMan on
May 22, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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I have Royce Clayton from San Jose. Also Steve Hosey, John Patterson, Reuben “R.J.” Smiley, Elanis Westbrooks, Joe Estes, Danny Fernandez, Chris Fye, Danny Lewis, Jeff Brauning, Jim McNamara, and the one and only Gary Sharko.
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on
May 22, 2008 10:49 AM PDT
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those are all on the same ball, by the way. My sort-of cousin used to be a bat boy for the Little Giants
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on
May 22, 2008 10:49 AM PDT
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Hmm nice.
Probably the most I have on one ball is Powell, Murray, Mueller, and Zerbe.
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by WalrusMan on
May 22, 2008 11:33 AM PDT
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Man, I remember when I thought Dante Powell and Jacob Cruz were the future of the team. So much for that.
by jcb9 on
May 22, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
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i’m realizing that you and I were Giant fans in the same phase of life.
Remember Mike Benjamin’s three day major league career? What about Steve Decker?
by sweetjuxtapose on
May 22, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
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My family had moved to New Jersey when Steve Decker came around, so I mainly just remember him from a couple of SportsCenter highlights (and Berman calling him Steve Upper Decker), but Mike Benjamin’s brief explosion is one of my fondest baseball memories
by jcb9 on
May 22, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
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yeah, i was an east-coaster throughout – i’ve never actually lived on the west coast, so I fell asleep in front of quite a few games in those days. Yeah, Berman loved the “upper decker” quote, but he loved “royce-a-roni-clayton, the San Francisco treat, better.” One thing i liked about Chris Berman, after that 12-1 drubbing on the last day of that ‘93 season, he tried to be a professional and congratulate the braves on SC, but you could tell he was totally bummed.
by sweetjuxtapose on
May 22, 2008 9:36 AM PDT
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Oy, the last game of the 1993. I remember that day – instead of the Giants-Dodgers game, some game with zero playoff implications was on tv for some reason. We watched anyway, because every few innings, they’d show highlights, and every time, it got uglier, and Salomon Torres looked sadder.
On topic: given the choice between a good high school player and a good college player, I’ll take the college player. Not just because of track records, but because, generally speaking, college players make the majors faster, and we need all the help we can get.
by jcb9 on
May 22, 2008 9:53 AM PDT
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I know a lot of others who thought Powell was..
I remember in San Jose when I was a little kid there was the 30 or so signature seekers (Hey, Goofus you weren’t there were you?) who wanted Dante Powell’s signature to have it for the future and I was all, “Who? I want Chiramonte’s signature. He’s got a cool name!”
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by WalrusMan on
May 22, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
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Linden
Anyone else notice that the A’s released him yesterday?
by BigO on
May 22, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
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I saw that too
Is it wrong to think someday he may just hit his stride somewhere? Yes. Next…
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by hairball on
May 22, 2008 2:10 PM PDT
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We could bring him back!
Good Luck Linden.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on
May 22, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
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We probably will.
Maybe it’s just a brilliant Sabean move to let him learn how to hit in another farm.
Eugeniooooooo!!!!
by FairweatherFan on
May 22, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
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I was all set to disagree that Royce Clayton counts as nothing, because he had a good offensive year for the Giants in 1993. Then I looked up his stats for 1993, and his OPS was .703 that year, and that was the best he ever did with the Giants. Ouch. Clearly, I wasn’t a very good judge of offensive production when I was 13.
On the other hand, as I recall, Clayton was traded for Allen Watson, who was traded for J.T. Snow, who is the best first baseman we’ve had since 1993. That’s more a commentary on our pathetic lack of production from first base than anything else, but still, it counts for something.
by jcb9 on May 22, 2008 9:27 AM PDT 0 recs
Yea..
Royce Clayton never had an above average offensive year. 97 OPS+ is his high, 1993 was 91. Although he did always turn out pretty well for me in Baseball Mogul.
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The Real Problem
None of the players we have drafted since 1965 have won a World Series with the Giants. What do they have in common? They’re all baseball players.
So What Do We Do?
Its time to march in a new direction and make this a competitive dance team. The next season of America’s Best Dance Crew probly starts sometime over the summer, and I’m sure there’s another “Step it Up” or “You Got Served” film in the works.
Lincecum seems like a natural, and I’m pretty sure this will also maximize our investment in Barry Zito.
by hammystyle on May 22, 2008 9:51 AM PDT 0 recs
Barry Zito can be on America’s Best Dance Crew with his lady Hillary Duff! What a cash cow that would be for us!
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May 22, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
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Hillary Duff and Barry Zito dated for about five minutes. It started when he signed that contract, and ended when she saw him pitch. Last I heard she was dating a hockey player, Mike Comrie. As for him, when you’re 0-8 you spend alot of nights home alone.
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by rxmeister on
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Vizquel, Zito, Velez, Durham, Burris, Castillo, hell even Aurilia….they’ve all given baseball a shot, but I see them as 5-tool dance superstars in the making. We can trade questionable dance prospects like Cain and Rowand for possible blue-chippers like Bronson Arroyo and Jose Reyes.
by hammystyle on
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Jose Reyes
Good Call.
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by hairball on
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My thoughts
First, the point is made that over half the #5 picks have made the major leagues since 1965. On that, I will note that Jason Grilli made the majors too. The key thing is to separate out the ones who at least became regulars against those who just got a cup of coffee in the majors. That is what I did in my draft study because who cares if the guy became a good utility player or reliever, if you are drafting the only result that really matters is if you get a good regular starter from the pick, and one who is healthy enough to play into his free agency years.
And on that point, that’s why you need to show which overall pick each of these “failures” are. This is because the failure rate of finding a good major league player when you draft even as low as 10th overall is pretty bad: off top of my head, I think it was about 25% chance – or 75% failure rate – of drafting a good player in the 6-10 picks and about 10% chance for picks 21-30 or 90% failure rate.
So it’s fairly easy and fan-friendly enough to beat up almost any team for a high failure rate when they are winning or even mediocre – only the worse of the worse get the coveted top 5 pick, where my study found that the success rate is around 45%, in other words, failure rate of 55%. It is also easy to point at a preennial loser like the Brewer’s, Tiger’s, and Ray’s and say that they have a good system because of their stockpile of hot prospects, overlooking the fact that the odds are stacked in their favor: when you pick in the top 5 overall range, the odds of you picking a good starting player is about 4 times better the odds of you picking a good starting player in the back of the first round.
If you want better odds of a good results, the Giants will have to draft a college hitter then. If you want to reach for the stars, then you will have to consider high school hitters. With the Giants history of drafting for tools, Tim Beckham’s 5-tool shiny-ness probably is very attractive (Fairley is considered toolsy too), but BP’s draft study noted that it is not a good bet to draft high school players (then again, they then chastise the Giants for avoiding a draft pick by noting that they drafted Matt Cain, a high school player; so is that bad as their study shows, or good as Cain has turned out pretty well).
However, and they didn’t study this, I wonder how well high school hitters drafted in the top 5 overall picks have done, in terms of success. Perhaps it’s easier to spot when they are among the top in the nation, not so much after that, much like a roll of the dice.
And, I would note, you left out one particular high school hitter who the Giants drafted but did not sign, one Barry Lamar Bonds. Would that change the way people feel about the list if he was included, as it was money and not talent that kept him off this list.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 22, 2008 9:58 AM PDT 1 recs
I don’t think the BP study said that drafting high schoolers is a bad idea, exactly. Rather, they found that college hitters were by far the most productive group, while the other three groups (college pitchers, HS pitchers, HS hitters) lagged behind but were about even with one another. So you could argue from this that if you’re going to use a top pick on anyone other than a college hitter, it had better be an extremely high-ceiling player.
Also, high-school SS & 3B were far more valuable than high-school outfielders, who in turn were more valuable than high-school first basemen. Which says to me: no to Eric Hosmer.
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May 22, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
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I would add that the study, by necessity, draws upon old data. I think the advent of the internet has provided teams with a great deal more information about HS players. Additionally, medical advances decrease the risk of HS pitchers as well.
When drafting HS pitchers, ask yourself if they would be good pitchers if they lost 3-4 mph. When drafting Hs hitters, ask yourself if their bat is playable if he goes down the defensive spectrum. If the answer is no, be very cautious.
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by irwin on
May 22, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
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Also, good point about Barry. Were we primitive, benighted, and superstitious (like, say, Red Sox fans), we might attribute the Giants’ failure to draft good HS hitters to the curse of Barry Bonds.
by Evan on
May 22, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
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Perhaps the Giant’s problem is not an inability to draft HS hitters, but an indifference to actually draft good hitters. It is not like they have produced a whole lot of great hitters from the college ranks.
The Giants organization has appeared to have brought in some better talent evaluators in recent months that could be to our benefit. I am not putting any money on that, but it could be possible.
by Squire_Boone on May 22, 2008 9:59 AM PDT 0 recs
Pretty much my thoughts exactly
But I would extend it to say that the organization does not even really know what a truly good hitter is [and isn’t] even on the major league level. For this reason, I don’t think that they are able to draft one. [see last year’s pick of Noonan, Fairley, Culberson, and Fairley. And yes, it is early to say that they are bad picks…but the early returns are poor] Still, I firmly believe in the “best player available” and not taking safe pick.
Pedro Feliz would look great in Dodger Blue.
by irwin on
May 22, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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Exactly
The team has been terrible at drafting HS and college hitters because they don’t draft guys who can flat-out hit. Over and over again, the team has either drafted for specific need (such as 3B) or drafted 5-tool speedy OFers. Our draft history is littered with Carlos Valderramas and Calvin Murrays rather than Ryan Brauns and Lance Berk-men.
Yes, the team needs to be concerned about drafting DHs, but really, it’s long past time that the team considers the two most important tools – hitting for power and for average – and then fielding, and then, 547457 considerations later, speed.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on
May 22, 2008 10:15 AM PDT
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well, that sort of worked with Frandsen. Also with Bill Mueller!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on
May 22, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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